Because they still think EV's must be luxurious, fast and expensive cars. But actually, we need all types of EV's.

I bought a SEAT Mii electric (also in black) earlier this year after watching the £10k challenge video. It’s our first EV and we absolutely love it. We just did a 96 mile motorway trip to London - the range used was 100 miles and it was fully charged back up at McDonald’s before I could finish my BIG Mac and McFlurry - the McFlurry cost more than the journey up. 😀

One of my EVs is a Hyundai Ionic 38kw. I get 5.7m/kw in sport mode atm. Driving economically, I can average 6.5 - 7m/kw. I've had over 8 on individual journeys.

Yep, good stuff for sure. My 2016 Spark EV in warm weather is averaging 6.5 even with the occasional GTI shaming 😊

We have a seat mii and model y. I can say hand on heart the seat mii is a brilliant little run around and I find myself using it more than the model y because of how quirky and fun it is to drive…… LOVE IT!! and yea on efficiency, smashes everything out and the park. I wish I could upload photos…. I have an achieved a 9kWh/ mile on journeys of 8-15 miles AMAZING!!!

I bought my first EV on June 3rd this year, A black SEAT Mii and it is a absolute joy to drive after 55 years of ICE. 6 miles per kwh is easy, I have had 7.2 mpkwh with a bit of care. I only do short distances so range anxiety is not a problem. I charge at home with Octopus GO, 9ppkwh.

Our Ioniq 38kWh is similarly efficient and again it's not being made any more. It's our first EV and we're completely spoilt for efficiency which we're much more interested in than range. I agree, can't understand why there isn't a pride and even competition for the car with the best efficiency. Such a shame.

You hit the nail on the head. Manufactures have got totally wrong way on EV's. They should have started on the small city cars & worked their way up, rather than the lets make them as big & expensive as possible & now slowly thinking about smaller cars.

With my Ioniq 38, I get 6.5-7.3 miles/kWh consumption in city, and 5-6 miles/kWh on motorway speed. Maybe the Seat Mii can consume a bit less energy than the Ioniq to travel the same distance, but considering the big difference in size and weight between the two cars, i think that the Ioniq is more efficient than the Mii. I'll try to explain myself. First, here is the true definition of efficieny : the ratio of useful work done by a machine to the total energy expended. In the case of a car, the useful work is equal to the kinetic energy, which is proportional to its mass and the square of its velocity. The total energy expended is the total energy drawn from the battery, which is measured in kWh and can be guessed by looking at the dashboard information. The total energy expended includes the kinetic energy of the car in addition to the energy needed to overcome air friction, rolling resistance, as well as the energy lost as heat in the electrical systems of the car (battery, inverter, motor, electronics, ...) As an example, lets take car A, which is 30% heavier than car B. The useful work to move car A is 30% higher compared to car B. Lets say car A has consumed 10% more total energy than car B to drive the same distance at the same speed, acceleration, weather conditions, etc... If we apply the definition of efficiency here, we find that car A is more efficient, although it has consumed more energy. All this to finally say that consumption and efficiency are two different notions, they shouldn't be mixed up. For all nerds like me, that read my comment until the end: let me know in comments if my reasoning is wrong and why it is the case. Otherwise please leave a thumbs up. Thanks.

We have a 2022 E-up. My wife loves it and so do I . Highly chuckable. Beats most diesel's at the traffic light grand Prix. Great city car.

I regularly get 200 mile range out of my 2021 eUp on city driving. Only original Ioniq can get close

The classic Ioniq would do 4.3 miles/kWh in depths of Winter and frequently 6.2 miles/kWh in Summer. Mainly 5.7 miles/kWh. From a 28kWh battery. Mainly motorway driving, which according to the media makes efficiency worse.

Just got my son a 2 year old e-Up! and after driving a Kia EV6 for the last few months (AWD GT Line) the efficiency difference is stark! It's also a hoot to drive, just chuck it into a corner and it complies beautifully.

Your point is very valid. I bought my Audi A2 20 years ago and have covered over 220,000 miles but not replaced it because there were no more efficient alternatives that were so well engineered, or rust free. I now have two choices , limp on until I can afford a secondhand EV or wait 5 years and then get the A2 converted to an EV (the bits of the A2 that are dying are mostly those an EV conversion would do away with anyway (engine, gearbox etc). The auto industry (ICE or EV) needs built-in obsolesce to create the profit the shareholders want and is the simple reason that Audi dropped the A2, VW dropped the e-UP etc and BMW dropped the original i3. As with the housebuilding industry the reason for manufacturing/building is maximum profit not the needs of the driver/homeowner. That has to change, but how? Only 6% of houses are designed by architects and the number of vehicles that are well-designed by qualified engineers is probably about the same percentage output. Why? EVERYTHING needs to be designed by those best qualified to do so, not designed by the marketeers, shareholders and politicians of this world that have that role now. Rant over.

Must be hitting the sweet spot of weight and battery size

We drive a 2022 Kia Niro Ev and find it great, but bought a new E Up in February 2024 and has blown our minds with its efficiency. I calculated that the 7000km (4500 miles) we have on it already has cost us 40 euro or 35 stg approx. Its charged every night at 5.45 cent per KW or 4.5p / kw. Its also a great car to drive. I think Ireland is now the only place you can buy a new E Up. We paid 17500 euro or 15k stg approx. As our second car it doesn't do motorway driving. Its all rural driving on B and C roads

As a school run, short journey every day car, it is about as efficient as it gets. Mine does 2.9 on the coldest days 18C climate and 7+ in summer with AC on. The battery has no thermal management and is significantly less efficient when outside is below 10C. Over 12mth, driven everyday, avg 5.9m/kwh. It is our preferred car every time we go out.

My e-Niro is currantly getting between 5 and 6 mi/kwh. Drops to around 4 to 4.5 when in winter. That's 80% motorway and 20% urban. My range in the summer gets as high as 342 miles.

All they need to do is put a new bumper on it, better battery and call it an ID1. Or, just the ID. Madness to get rid of something so good. The petrol version is also a fantastic car. Really efficient on petrol as well.

My 21 plate Hyundia Ionic electric over 42,000 miles is averaging 5.6 miles per kilowatt.

I bought an e-Up! last December after watching your earlier video when you first found the Seat Mii (I wanted the extra bells and whistles). THANK YOU! I've been REALLY impressed with the efficiency too. Our "main" car is a Kia e-Niro, which has a range of nearly 300 miles, so obviously that's what we use for long journeys. But I much prefer driving the e-Up! The steering wheel controls are more logical and comfortable. And the seating position is more comfortable (important to me, as I'm a back pain sufferer). I have a weekly 100 mile round trip, including a lot of mostly motorway and a 10 mile each way commute. For shorter journeys, I usually use Eco+ mode, but sometimes such to Eco on the motorway. The range is quoted as 125 miles. Normally you'd take that with a pinch of salt, and the real world range would be less. One week in FEBRUARY, out of curiosity, I decided to see what range it could actually get. I finally ran out of juice after 172 miles, over 37% further than it's supposed to be capable of. I haven't pushed my luck again to trust the exercise; once it's enough. But it amuses me every so often when fully charged and it tells me I have over 200 miles of range (it's lying: it's not THAT good). I have no idea what period the app's "long term" data covers, but it tells me that I've averaged 6.1mi/kWh over the last 534 miles. It's phenomenal!

My Seat Mii Electric reports similar figures, however when I calculate efficiency by comparing charge levels before and after a journey with the mileage, I always get a significantly lower figure.

I have a 2016 Skoda Citigo with the 1.0l 60bhp petrol engine. Bought for £7500 in 2017 with 2000 miles and now has 800000. Totally reliable, 2 sets of tyres, recently had new discs and some works to the suspension, otherwise no other costs. £20 road tax. Cheap insurance of around £220 per year. I think that the original design of the Up/Citigo/Mi was for the car to be electric, with a rear motor and rear wheel drive. This was then changed to the production car with a petrol engine, and the much later introduction of an electric car which EVM now has. Great shame that production has not continued as there would be a market for this - few people can now buy, or have the opportunity to buy, a new or nearly new car as I did for the 2024 equivalent of £9600! Current prices are probably double this for a new small petrol car, and new small electric cars such as a Renault 5 and Twingo are being suggested at £20-25k. This is not where manufacturers should be - small efficient electric cars should be in the £10-£15k range, and affordable to cash buyers, not just the PPC brigade that are 'buying' everything on credit. The European manufacturers will come unstuck when Chinese and Korean manufacturers start selling small electric cars in European markets, as this is where most people will be able to afford cars at - where are the small electric equivalents of the Ford Fiestas, Ups, Pandas, Clios/Twingos.5s, for the future at sensible money? Urban cars, second cars and runarounds, cars for first time owners, cars for older people, second cars, all these do not have to be larger off-road esque psuedo four wheel drives. Roads are not getting bigger, and urban spaces and streets are still the same Parking spaces are not larger! Smaller cars are easier to drive, manoeuvre and park. They have less material input, less material to re-cycle and should be cheaper.

Thanks, useful info

We have had ours since August last year. Amazing economy in Summer, but the PTC heater in winter & short trips, it doubles consumption vs Summer

We have an ID.3 and a new E-UP. The E-Up is just fabulous, great fun, and we're getting amazing efficiency from it. Real shame they dropped it from the line up.

Nice figures and definately an option for a second or smaller EV. Thanks

I could not agree more. For the longest time I thought my seat mii electric must have been a one off because all youtube videos I watch about other EVs efficiency say max 4 ish miles / kwh. I regularly achieve 190 miles per charge ( my daily commute is 100 miles on motorways) achieving its quoted range of 160 in winter! Around 5 -6 miles / kwh on average. Just a quick note. I believe the "UP" family were originally designed to be electric cars but the battery technology wasn't there so the range was naff. Ultimately vw group decided to equip the car(s) with engines until the battery's caught up. Along came 2021 and bobs your uncle. Enjoying the videos

If they can get into production Aptera will absolutely crush this and any other EV efficiency with ~100 wh/m. By using an extremely lightweight and aerodynamic shape the standards set by tesla and others can be crushed.

The reason they have no plans to produce a replacement is down to the fact it's a sector of the market where they don't make that much money, even in ICE form. Both Peugeot and Citroën pulled the plug on the City Bugs (108, C1, Aygo) for the same reason.

Is the VW e-up specifically made for Yorkshire!? 🤔🤣

My wife bought a Seat Mii brand new, just about the last one in the country (it was the dealer's demo car) and we both absolutely love it. Efficient, fun to drive and completely silent. We're also wondering why there hasn't been a replacement in that end of the market - a simple, small and cheap EV.

Agree a great car, we bought a second hand one with 2300 miles. During winter around 4 m/kWh, in summer over 5 with some journeys upto 6.5 m/kWh. Just love driving it, now take days out just for the fun of it as it costs around 2.5 p per mile in electric.

My 2015 Nissan Leaf still does 4.8 miles per kwh on long journeys of over 100 miles which of course includes motorways. The most efficient drives reach 6.3 mpkwh.

I've just done a 250 mile motorway journey in my Hyundai Ioniq 38 Kw and averaged 5.3 M/KW. Normally on local driving 6.6 m/Kw

Bought a used Mii as first intro to EV’s & agree with everything you say. Couldn’t be happier!

Can't wait for a Dacia Spring review. Got one from 2021, best I did on a long trip was 8.7kwh/100km, winter 17 and average 11.5 year round and I do use it for 500km trips also.

I have a lease eUp and it's a great little car. I'm still a little disappointed that the upcoming cheap electric cars don't seem to be as efficient - the Citroen eC3 has a battery that's got 16kWh more usable battery (44 compared to 28) and only manages to eke an extra 38 miles of WLTP range. You would have thought the technology had improved since the eUp/Citigo/Mii was developed :( (FWIW, I think my next car will probably be a 2nd hand Hyundai Kona - it has great efficiency too, a bigger range, and the prices are really good just now)

From what i have seen, only the ioniq 28 comes close in certain situations.. We absolutely love our 2020 E-Up! It gets used every day and already has done 75000 kms. We haven't even noticed a drop in range yet. Battery is as good as new..

ttl agree 👍 had mine from mid November do 90 miles per week average 5 mkw and only spent £4.80 on electricity ⚡️ in 7 months thanks to agile & picking and choosing when to charge , my previous fiat 500 ICE , was £40 per month , just a shame about the upcoming road tax 😢

Could you do a further video on this maybe looking into why this car has such great efficiency? What makes it that much better because clearly as you say a lot of its similar rivals performs surprisingly less well. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that level of efficiency from an EV, which is intriguing

With a sufficiently efficient city car, you're more likely to be able to get away with a granny charger at home and still be able to top it up overnight. That can be quite a cost saving, and makes EVs more accessible to people who can't install a charger.

i have had 15 r so electric vehicles since 2007 and the bestsellers i had was the Hyundai ionic 28 classic which would do 8 miles per kWh

This is pure joy!

Great video, great car. Very disappointing how efficiency isn't being improved. Owners of the Hyundai Ionic (also discontinued) report 6 or 7 miles/kWh, why are none of the newer ones as good?

Nice plate!

Kia NiroEV and Hyundai are way more efficient than a model 3 and actually do advertised ranges. Better battery system all round for longevity too. Its been this way since the Eniro 2019.

My similarly sized Fiat 500e has averaged 4.6 miles per KW/h over 30 months, which has included 3 Scottish winters. It's a bit quicker than your Seat, but still far less efficient given my very light-footed driving style.

My Sister and Brother in Law have a Citigo e. They love it and they live in rural Pembrokeshire. They are however now selling it as with the girls growing, they need a bigger car. They recently traded in my sister's Suberb IV for an MG4 for my brother in law and they are keeping the citygo until my sister's delayed Ioniq5 is delivered. They will miss it and had thought of maybe keeping it for the girls to learn to drive, but with the eldest only about to turn 11, that's some way off.

Cheers mate

Have an e-up! and love it. Just been checking out autotrader and noticed a few small differences in the mii compared to the e-up! e-up! has a rear backup camera which the mii doesn’t appear to have. Also has steering wheel controls for volume, phone, skipping tracks etc which I can’t see on the mii. Boot has a cover which gives a flat loading area/underfloor storage in the up but not the mii that I’m looking at. Probably more differences I haven’t spotted but worth pointing out as these may be important if trying to decide between the variants. As far as I’m aware there was only one specification for the e-Up! (that was the case when I ordered mine but that was during covid)

I would love one! Also I’d love if these small efficient cars would charge really fast. Small batteries that charge fast should be the future so they’re more than a city car when ya need it.

I believe hub motors could be the answer, unlocking massive potential for both small efficient cars, small cargo vans and more besides.

I got 4.7mi/kWh in our Leaf yesterday, that was half motorway, half local over 30 miles with the AC keeping us cool. I was surprisingly impressed with that, but now it feels awful! Having said that, my mother recently picked up an Audi E-Tron and in the 1700 miles she's done shes averaged 2.4mi/kwh!

Mine went back a few months ago. Had it for 3 years, and ot consistently did 5 miles kWh in winter, and 6 in the summer

Bought my Mii electric after watching one of these videos, this morning range is 203 in normal, 210 in eco+ Brilliant little car for my 15 mile round trip to work everyday.

It's s great runner. Loved them already as ICE model.

I'm thinking about getting one as a second car next to my VW Fox. The range will be more than enough for most trips, but for the longer ones...

A bit off topic for the content of this particular video but can you tell me how you are getting on with 2 cars on an Ohme charger on Octopus IOG? I thought it was a bit finicky to get the right charge profile if you have more than one car. I own an Ohme pro and if we get a second car, I really don't want a battle to charge it properly.

I heard that the VW E-Up sold well in Yorkshire.

Impressive, guess they did too good a job of it , particularly Skoda & Seat & the bean counters at the top said stop making them. Astra with new battery is pretty good, over 5 no bother 👍

VAG are clearly missing out on a trick..... We all have been asking for affordable BEVs.... the "UP" needs a small update and the "New I.D. 1" would be born.

Bearing in mind the lies VW told about diesel, and the deceit about mpg amongst combustion cars, can we trust these dashboard figures? Perhaps cross checking with your energy input data would be helpful.

I agree and the Redwood should be out soon

It's a tribute to what you can accomplish by de-prioritizing extreme range and extreme acceleration.

Efficiency is something I've been considering greatly, I'm in the (great) position to be able to choose pretty much any EV as my next motability car, and I've narrowed it down to three, but all three can barely do 4miles kWh. only once a year do I do a very long drive, so I'm not overly bothered about not getting 600 miles to a charge, so I'm probably going for a smaller battery for weight and efficiency reasons

If I calculate correctly it would mean in the realm of 10 kWh per 100 km?? Can you measure the charging losses and the odometer error too, just to take it all the way. For example the Zoe has ok efficiency when you look at the numbers in the car, but the charging losses are quite high so it is actually quite a thirsty little car.

Batteries are getting lighter and charging faster, also battery life is increasing, so this will be less of a problem in the future, but we also need reliable fast charging network. In a few years you don't have to compromise.

Set my efficiency meter on my 1 year old Tesla 3 to 0 when new. At 8000 miles it is showing 186 watts per mile. Mixed driving one winter one summer. This equates to about 5.5 miles per kW.

We desperately need more small, lighter weight EVs. These huge SUVs with massive batteries just make no sense at all.

I've had one for around a month now, it's my first EV although I have been looking at getting one for a while and doing all the research. For a price that's the same or less than an ICE 3yr old equivalent I could not see a reason not to get one given my circumstances.

My 64kWh Hyundai Kona is giving me over 4 miles per kWh at present. Spalding-Warwick & return 4.2 sticking to speed limits.

Love those small cars ! Did you try measuring the energy from the grid (and GPS distance) compared to what the dashboard says ?

6-7kwh/m is really impressive, best I ever got hyper mileing was 5. In a leaf gen 2 and MG 4 I average 4, in a Zoe I averaged 3.

7.5 kicks ass

My E-Up! has hated seats and an heated windshield, maybe that can explain the price difference ? I love it to bits anyway. Wonderful car.

I tested this car just before the Covid restrictions kicked in. I couldn't get over how roomy it was for the size of car. I loved how it drove and the simple concept of this car. I agree the Mii was the preferred version of ghe car. New the car was over £20k. Now at £10k used what a bargain. Until this video I didn't realise how efficient they are. Why did VW drop the manufacturer so soon of such a great small ev.

Imagine the mass market using these little EVs at 1p/mile with octopus. Petrol version - 168gCO2e/mile. EV @ 200gCO2e/kWh - 27gCO2e/mile

I love my white Seat MII.

My question is .... how have they actually done that ? its not the motors its not the aero its not the weight, what is it ..

The issue is the margins, they’re just not there for a manufacturer to make a small, cheap electric car.

@ElectricVehicleMan is talking real figures; not quoted figures from a manufacturer. We have owned our Mii Electric for 2 years and it is genuinely is economical with the electrons it uses. We have just used ours to Gatwick (180 mile round trip - nearly all motorway) and it averaged 5.1m/kWh. We charge the Mii at home using OVO - and it costs us £3.60 'ish for a FULL charge - so efficiency per £ is high - you cannot hyper mile even a dirty diesel to do 180 miles on £3.60's worth of dirty fuel!!! Our other car, an Ioniq 5 is less efficient at 4m/kWh; but it still gives us a genuine range of 280m if we need it - and it is just a fantastic car. Again, charging at home is about £6.50 for a FULL charge. Anyone who comments negatively against EVM and many other pro EV channels obviously does not care about trying to save the planet - they have the "head in the sand syndrome!!" thinking it is somebody else's problem...

I believe bed are brining the segul to uk shores it's extremely cheap and small should be efficient

Can you verify these efficiency "measurements" indicated by the cars by looking at energy consumed by the charger?

If you were looking for a slightly bigger car , 15k budget , but still cheap to run , would your choose the mk1 hyundia kona EV , i can't think of anything else that is as good , your thoughts please

Curious 2:31 What cars in the garage? Before Tesla after mystery blue car

I guess the only close one is the old e-Niro :)

I am sure the drive train is from e-Golf (larger battery version) and with my e-Golf I can achieve 5.5 miles to a KWh.

Fingers crossed this year will kick off the small ev movement.

The Seat is more expensive on insurance (few quotes I ran). After a few years it'll be the more expensive car to run.. this should also be mentioned for some drivers. * Edit - to clarify, VW E-Up is cheaper to insure than the Seat. So the cheaper Seat purhcase price may not give you the long term value you expect. My research into this ended with the Seat had more expensive costs to repair due to part availability etc. Not saying don't go for the Seat. Just something to add into the through process on which to buy. :)

Having a simple entertainment and car computer is the difference as well as the overall weight. It has no heat pump, no sophisticated heat management or special aero. Also a relatively weak motor unit helps further with weight but also with running costs as it costs less to insure. With how much car companies are learning the last years and a ground up full EV design a similar car would make so much sense to a frugal user. Unfortunately the companies won't see it as it makes no financial sense to them. They need the power, the entertainment unit and the luxury to justify the price and this comes with a bigger profit margin.

Make it even lighter with Aluminium & carbon fibre with a 36.8 LFP battery (full capacity available) the perfect small car.

Just the info I was looking for! Why no electricity equivalent specs for mpg? Manufacturers are getting away with bad engineering.

From the view point all of my vehicles are second hand so more info about what to look for etc

Are those figures you quoted accurate? I am amazed a Twizzy at half the mass uses more power to propel it? I’m not accusing you of making things up, simply hard to believe! Actually if true it’s intriguing. What explains the incredible efficiency? Would make an interesting video, a dyno- test. Cheers

Some people (myself included) still struggle to quickly equate mi/kWh to mpg in efficiency terms. Maybe 2 ml/kWh is 20 mpg, 3ml/kWh is 30 mpg and so on. Seems fitting for the types and sizes of vehicles that are achieving this.

The screen wh/mile is completely bogus on the Seat Mii. R Symmonds in one video says one of his employees drove 127miles (in one go) - started with 98% charge and ended with 7% and the screen said 5.1miles per kwh. Now something just don't add up here ..... 98% -7% = 91%, the car is supposed to have a 36.8kwh usable battery, 91% of 36.8kwh = 33.5kwh and 127miles / 33.5kwh = 3.79miles per kwh not anywhere close to 5.1miles per kwh that the screen was indicating.

EV are really good , the price of powering up a 200 hp from public chargers is basically very close in pounds to fuelling a ice engine, but it's going to take a mostly inconvenient hour to 7 hours .>depending on what the capability or kwt your EV can take a charge. If it wasn't for the gov duty and 20% vat on petrol/diesel the latter would be considerably cheaper than electric power. Only thing to do is fork out another 1000 to 1300 quid for home wall charger to take advantage of a midnight to 7 am low tariff charge , if you have a smart meter and sign up to one of several electric suppliers for the price benefits. Ps you also pay about 30% more for ev insurance v. ice vehicles. 😢 Summing up EV is better for reducing the roadside pollution , by schools and car congested areas plus i can go into central london without the cost of C Charges. Right now is the best time ever to bag a ev for a cheaper price than 2 yrs ago. I bought a used 8 week old one under a 1000 miles off the dealer for a third less than brand brand new as a first registration . So lose 8 weeks warranty , but for me its small potatoes v the new price .

Isn't the Mii less efficient at motorway speeds than an Ioniq as the drag coefficient is quite poor?

You should test Dacia Spring