The new(ish) camera on the Delta IV showed the deployment of the RL-10B Nozzle extension so I thought I'd talk about this workhorse upper stage engine. Lots more info on the evolution can be found on this page: www.b14643.de/S...
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@SRFriso945 жыл бұрын
That ice is freaky, being mere centimeters away from thousands of degrees.
@NGC14335 жыл бұрын
But it is the main product of that reaction, which heats it all up to thousands of degrees is water! And it cools down by expansion! Thermodynamics!
@Lhunath5 жыл бұрын
Can anyone explain more in depth what causes the exhaust to get so cold there?
@dubsy10265 жыл бұрын
@@Lhunath the nozzle is cooled by liquid hydrogen
@SRFriso945 жыл бұрын
@@Lhunath Just like Scott explains: that version of the RL-10 has an actively cooled nozzle, and they do that by pumping the fuel an oxidizer, which are at something like -250 degrees Celcius, so the outer wall is really cold, while the inner wall is nice and warm. Space Shuttle used the same system.
@mathboy_5 жыл бұрын
If obviously there is no heat being put out from the engine does that mean that standing right next to the nozzle would be possible? Or going even further, would there actually be a chilling effect outside of the nozzle?
@Vaasref5 жыл бұрын
Those are not icicles, they are part of an ice based nozzle extension 3D printed of the fly.
@charadremur3334 жыл бұрын
:D
@stupidgenius423 жыл бұрын
*on the fly
@RobertCraft-re5sfАй бұрын
Bravo
@anarchyantz15645 жыл бұрын
No matter how many times I see it, watching the thin blue line fading into the deep black is always fascinating.
@theimperfectgod71405 жыл бұрын
Oh hoo Agreed :)
@kristenburnout15 жыл бұрын
Someone should make a compilation of scott saying "Ohmeeeg-Aaaah".
@ahaveland5 жыл бұрын
Icicles on a rocket nozzle? Mind boggled!
@theimperfectgod71405 жыл бұрын
nICE (*_,* )
@duraikarthikeyan5 жыл бұрын
Loved that "omegA" pronunciation.
@kristenburnout15 жыл бұрын
"Oh Meg AAAAAAAH."
@DobromirManchev5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, what was that about? I chucked out loud at work at that point in the video :D
@nickdehart57025 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to say Scott....I had ZERO interest in space about three years ago. However, I did like KZfaq. I stumbled across one of your videos (I do not remember which one) and it started. Between you and Tim Dodd, it has lit a fire underneath me. I read and watch anything I can to learn. I often wonder what would have become of me as a high school student had I known I had such an passion for all things space? At thirty one years old, I feel my only option is to pass it to my son. Who, as of now, has no interest in anything but Fortnite. But that might change as he gets older. I just wanted to say thank you for all you do. You really do affect people in a positive way!
@eannamcnamara93385 жыл бұрын
Same thing but the big question do you play KSP
@eannamcnamara93385 жыл бұрын
And your son would love playing it to
@cheesegrease82475 жыл бұрын
@@eannamcnamara9338 kerbal space program: *_BATTLE ROYALE_*
@eannamcnamara93385 жыл бұрын
@@cheesegrease8247nasa begins default dancing on the constellation program it just killed (I don't play fortnite but I know the memes)
@martinultimatevw37795 жыл бұрын
Same here dude 🤟👌
@BMrider755 жыл бұрын
At about the 1.00 mark, you can see the rocket exhaust trail back down to the lower atmosphere. I love this ; it gives perspective to the ascent! Smiles
@pseudotasuki5 жыл бұрын
It's a good thing Aerojet Rocketdyne started work on bringing down the cost of RL-10, as that's probably the only thing preventing them from being obliterated by Blue Origin.
@afterburner1195 жыл бұрын
Well my money would still go behind the 60 some odd years AR/P&W has on the RL-10. Approximately 475+ missions with a success rate in which you can count the failures on one hand.
@pseudotasuki5 жыл бұрын
@@afterburner119 Which is useless if nobody wants to buy them.
@kazumiohta87275 жыл бұрын
There’s no way that ULA is letting go of the RL-10
@kazumiohta87275 жыл бұрын
They like it too much
@kazumiohta87275 жыл бұрын
Also SpaceX is better.
@kaptendavid54275 жыл бұрын
Love from Tanzania, I just love how on the outside is freezing cold and on the inside its blazing hot..... Amazing... Thumbs up great video.
@QuietElite5 жыл бұрын
For me the RL-10 is probably the most iconic hydrolox rocket engine :)
@RealityIsTheNow5 жыл бұрын
Naw...the RL-25. Bigger, dramatically displayed on the Shuttle for decades, reusable, etc etc.
@gordonrichardson29725 жыл бұрын
The Shuttle engines were RS-25, not RL-25.
@rjherche5 жыл бұрын
J-2 son
@rlstnnl17405 жыл бұрын
RD-0120 or bust
@MushVPeets5 жыл бұрын
@@rlstnnl1740 Um, no, that's just the _best_ hydrolox engine. Not really the most iconic. :P
@kevins2603 ай бұрын
My grandfather Wesley Kuhrt was responsible for the overall design of the RL10 and was gifted the patent for the the RL-10 rocket at P&W. He came up with the original idea for changing the expander cycle and was a genius with regard to liquid hydrogen. My family used to tell a story about when he was 13 he accidenelt exploded a test tube with hydrogen in his basement and had glass imbedded in his chest. I have the original pump expander design patent plaques gifted in his name. He lead the research department for many years and ended as Executive Vice President of United Technologies in the 1980’s.
@marksinclair70123 күн бұрын
Impressive guy!
@georgegrubbs29666 ай бұрын
I worked on this rocket engine in 1962-1963 at Pratt & Whitney Aircraft Company in West Palm Beach, Florida. Yes, an excellent engine that is still in use today.
@MarkZacharias5 жыл бұрын
@Scott I just wanted to say thanks for keeping your intro short. I love that you get to the meat of the video in ~6 seconds.
@JKTCGMV135 жыл бұрын
I interned with Rocketdyne and my grandpa retired from there so it’s always great to see you talking about them and their engines :)
@Hopeless_and_Forlorn4 жыл бұрын
The RL-10 was designed by Pratt & Whitney, the same engine company responsible for the R-1830 engine used on the DC-3/C47 and many other iconic airplanes, the R-2800 that in effect became the war-winning radial engine equivalent of the British Merlin V-12, and the reliable R-4360 workhorse of post-war heavy hauling. Quite a legacy for a machine shop.
@chrishunter70655 жыл бұрын
I got to see this from 7 miles away. I loved the sound of this massive rocket.
@phaseed5 жыл бұрын
The "Screws" are worm gears that are used on the extensions. Worm gear rods are stationary and worm gear drives are the square blocks you see in the video.
@robrod71205 жыл бұрын
I was there!!! Saw the NROL launch, my first launch ever. It was incredible and just left me in awe at the power of our machines
@wanjockey5 жыл бұрын
this was probably the coolest(no pun) videos I have seen of close up H-O engines firing. Thanks.
@bisowned135 жыл бұрын
ALMOST 500 LIKES AND NO DISLIKES! No one produces content of this depth can quality! Thanks for all you do Scott!
@shadowraith15 жыл бұрын
Historically I think a lot of rocketry was hidden from cameras for the general public. Everyone had their secrets. A lot of them still do. Blue Origins comes to mind as one. I have to credit SpaceX for raising the public's interest in space again. Their broadcast coverage of their success and failures. Has been enlightening for all of us space junkies. Every launch and recovery has been a sales pitch for the company giving them worldwide recognition. Using that business model has been pretty successful. I do wish they would get better at their drone ship landing videos. A couple of drones with transmitters chaining the transmission signal might help for better video. By the way do you have any idea what those fairing half's weigh? Was wondering if a helicopter might be useful. Put the copter on whatever drone ship is waiting for the Falcon 9. When the fairing's eject copter takes off catch the fairing drop it on net on the west coast. That was longer than expected.
@TheEvilmooseofdoom5 жыл бұрын
The droneships lose the uplink to the satellite (and I doubt they'll spend the money to try and correct that) but spacex still gets the footage. It's only the stream that doesn't.
@Anvilshock5 жыл бұрын
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom lose*
@TheEvilmooseofdoom5 жыл бұрын
@@Anvilshock Got it. Thanks.
@traviswinch45365 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video last week. You answered my exact question I had for Tim Dodd just before the launch. I could not recall ever seeing the deployment of the nozzle before but knew it existed...awesome video. Thanks.
@richwaight5 жыл бұрын
That last bit about the icicles was mind bending!! Thanks for posting
@willys48825 жыл бұрын
RL-10 was originally built and tested with the H-1, Redstone, F-1 turbopumps etc. at the now closed North American Aviation Propulsion Division/ Rocketdyne/ Air Force Plant 65 in my home town of Neosho, MO. I remember exploring around the bases of the test stands as a Boy Scout when I was about 10-12 (1992-94). That is some fairly obscure space history!
@timandshannon035 жыл бұрын
I also live in Norcal and took the wife and son to SoCal to watch the launch outside of Vandenburg! It was a beautiful launch!
@larthallor5 жыл бұрын
The RL-10 was also used in the DC-X SSTO demonstrator project, in part due to its ability to throttle/restart.
@donjones47195 жыл бұрын
Wonder of that's when they developed the extendable nozzle. SSTO engines operating from sea level to space would really need that benefit, in spades.
@robertotarter78395 жыл бұрын
As always, great video. Just a tiny correction: the C-C composite nozzle extension of the RL-10 is not ablatively cooled, it's radiatively (and sometimes film) cooled. You are probably mistaking it with the carbon composite extension of the other delta engine, the RS-68
@Raptorman09093 жыл бұрын
The expander cycle is the right choice for lunar landers -- well within the square-cube limit, low stress on the turbine, very high ISP -- and with 3D printing simplifying the construction and likely improving the reliability it just makes more sense than any other engine cycle for reusable landers on the Moon.
@Veptis5 жыл бұрын
hey Scott, thanks for keeping it up. I just went through 3 booksotres and look for Ignition by John D Clark, no chance as it seems to be not that common, but I ordered it and will pick it up soon. For the next few months I made two of my school project about rockets. You and your videos have been a great motivation to do so. The first one is a chemistry talk and experiment I want to present on rocket fuels. I chose to do a liquid hypergolic reaction on the basis of the book and the video by NileRed - if I somehow can get my teacher to allow it. The other is a really scaled up version of the history of rockets for history class. It is supposed to talk about the cold war and how nuclear bombs(thanks for your video series on this as well), missles(not rockets sadly) and information technologies(spy satellites) have dictated this period. My version tells this story by showing 3D models in 1:82 scale I print of soviet and american rockets and telling all the funny tales and twists to show my class a picture of how interesting space exploration can be. I use your videos and those of others like Curios Droid as references alongside wikipedia lists and some official archive material for the Kennedy speech etc. thank you!
@BlackWolf42-5 жыл бұрын
I got it a few days ago from Amazon. It took almost 2 weeks to get here. Edit: Do get the physical version. The pages aren't as intoxicatingly odoriferous as other books but nothing beats a copy you can hold.
@kenhelmers26033 жыл бұрын
Amazing, ice on a rocket engine exhaust bell. Thanks Scott!
@TheClintonio5 жыл бұрын
Scott - your outro music always gave a sense of satisfaction that the new music lacks.
@Marc83Aus5 жыл бұрын
I wondered why they were going for a new, heavier, slightly lower performance version of the old workhorse, I figured the new engine must be significantly cheaper to build. Then Scott pointed out the RL 10 is already the most efficient chemical rocket engine, so I suppose it can afford to lose a couple of ISP here or therel
@BlackWolf42-5 жыл бұрын
Scott, I've been reading the book "Ignition!" that you recommended. It's a VERY good read for those that have a modest 'chem-thumb'. Those propulsion chemists have a neat job.
@gelatinous6915 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear you talk about the venerable AJ-10 that seems to be on every rocket mankind has ever built (vanguard, thor, delta, apollo, space shuttle, titan, and atlas.)
@eddiez.8375 жыл бұрын
Always good to see another video. Outro music?
@blackace77825 жыл бұрын
Computer music All Stars
@Lucerne95 жыл бұрын
^^^ "May the chords be with you"
@_Andrew20025 жыл бұрын
A terrible outro music that needs to be removed
@mortiphago5 жыл бұрын
@@_Andrew2002 fuck off
@TheClintonio5 жыл бұрын
I miss the old music after "fly safe".
@Sir_Uncle_Ned5 жыл бұрын
It really is remarkable how we can have fire and ice co-existing.
@Katia_Managan5 жыл бұрын
Hey, don’t mind me. Just dropping by to let you know that the thumbnail looks just like an album cover for an indie rock band and I totally dig it.
@Quirk915 жыл бұрын
That nozzle extension is pure genius!
@jr52345 жыл бұрын
I once read that during a ground test of an RL-10 engine the nozzle extension was inadvertently lowered after the engine had already begun firing. Apparently it chugged on through the transition as if nothing was wrong. There was some talk of in-flight nozzle extension deployment as a way to boost first stage performance on future rockets but I don't think it was developed far enough to be tested.
@robertbilling62665 жыл бұрын
Really neat engineering, thanks.
@Sk1erDev5 жыл бұрын
Could an extending nozzle be used for an any altitude engine? As the pressure decreases, the nozzle extends more.
@gordonrichardson29725 жыл бұрын
The nozzle has to lock into place, otherwise there will be severe blow-back.
@Sillydogification5 жыл бұрын
Far better would be to use an Aerospike Engine. The reason for the nozzle extension is to reduce the overall size of the engine, so the interstage structure can be shorter.
@robertmiller97355 жыл бұрын
Too bad nobody's willing to try aerospikes.
@km54055 жыл бұрын
its always a payoff between optimizing for a altitude and performance/weigth. a any altitude engine might not be ideal.
@ryanrising22373 жыл бұрын
Robert Miller loads of people are willing to try aerospikes, but it turns out they’re just very hard - beyond what normal rockets are.
@SermedAlWasiti5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this vid, Scott...it expands on what you mentioned on Twitter.
@F1fan4eva5 жыл бұрын
Awesome info Scott! Subbing to you is like literally signing up for a channel that reports rocket/space news. And the best part? It's free!! Someone did once say the best things in life are free :)
@neuterdude59325 жыл бұрын
It is amazing to see those icicles on the nozzle!
@CyberiusT5 жыл бұрын
I had never seen that ice formation before. That is nuts. My brain understands why it happens, but that sure isn't something I would ever have thought of.
@lucidonoccasion50125 жыл бұрын
Love the videos on rocket engines, keep em coming!
@zakiranderson7223 жыл бұрын
I never knew a nozzle extension existed, I thought the vaccuum nozzle on the engine itself would be the final solution!!
@gizmothewytchdoktor10495 жыл бұрын
the con trail reminds me of an umbilical cord. thanks rocketcam...i will never look at one of these in quite the same way again! :-)
@RappinPicard5 жыл бұрын
There's an RL-10B-2 as part of a Delta III upper stage and fairing that's on display next to the 5 in Santa Ana that I drive past every day.
@_tyrannus5 жыл бұрын
I must say that without the RL-10 variants, KSP with Realism Overhaul would be much more complicated in terms of 2nd stage design.
@waedi735 жыл бұрын
Wow ! Sooo crazy to see it ! Ice forming on a rocket booster bell ! This video is outstanding interesting ! Thank you very much ! and the mün is bloody exciting love
@poisonouspython14105 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty COOL rocket motor design...
@tomjones12585 жыл бұрын
Scott, rocket-cam on NASA EFT-1, December 5, 2014
@ipudisciple5 жыл бұрын
5:00 I was wondering how specific impulse could be measured in seconds. I mean, it's the time for what exactly? So I looked it up and decided to share. As far as I can tell, if you were to let the propellant free fall in a vacuum under earth gravity for that amount of time, then it reaches some speed, and that's the exhaust speed we're talking about. Of course, this is useful because the momentum of the propellant gets transferred (negatively) to the rocket.
@scottmanley5 жыл бұрын
The other way to think about it is if you multiply the acceleration of earth’s gravity by the specific impulse in seconds you get velocity. And this works regardless of whether you use meters per second of feet per second.
@Kieselmeister5 жыл бұрын
specific impulse = (impulse per unit weight-on-Earth of propellant) Calculated via -> Thrust (mass*distance/seconds^2)= gravity(distance/second^2) * ISP(seconds) * Fuel consumption rate (mass/second). Thus Isp in seconds = the number of seconds a rocket engine can generate thrust from a weight of fuel equal to the thrust of the engine.
@davidmorgan86124 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@brocktechnology5 жыл бұрын
Those ball screws seem a slightly excessive solution for a single use actuator. Also, those icicles are mind blowing.
@positronundervolt47995 жыл бұрын
I like ULAs self immolation method of getting to space.
@erictaylor54625 жыл бұрын
That is wild to see ice on a rocket engine like that.
@alexlandherr5 жыл бұрын
Maybe a detailed video on rocket engineering cameras perhaps? I would love to see those explained in great detail by you.
@thomascharlton85455 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott, Great content!
@j_sum15 жыл бұрын
Looks like something between a dalek and a steampunk petticoat.
@AlphaSquadZero5 жыл бұрын
I want to stick something into that exhaust stream.
@juniorballs60255 жыл бұрын
Rocket engine icicles are awesome!
@ryccoh5 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this.
@gordonrichardson29725 жыл бұрын
There is a lot of information into the video, though no mention of the fact that the RL10 was designed to be man rated, but only used on Saturn 1 for Apollo boiler-plate test launches. The initial Saturn-IV proposal would have used 6 RL10 engines, but the revised S-IVB design used a single J-2 engine. The RL10 engine never made it into the final Apollo moon landing designs, though it did inspire the development of the J-2 and F-1 engines.
@Strike_Raid5 жыл бұрын
There isn't much in common between the RL-10, J-2 and F-1 other than when they were developed.
@adamantium19835 жыл бұрын
Love the ice... looks unreal
@williamhedegaardlangvad26305 жыл бұрын
Did the delta IV from Orion EFT-1 not carry a rocket cam?
@erictaylor54625 жыл бұрын
I grew up in California, and I can tell, that is no California accent you sport there, Scott.
@scottmanley5 жыл бұрын
It's not.
@IvorMektin17015 жыл бұрын
It's a very small motor too, the power head will fit on a desk.
@joe_mckirdy5 жыл бұрын
Fun facts: RL-10C-1 -> Atlas RL-10C-2 -> Delta IV RL-10C-3 -> SLS RL-10C-5 -> Omega RL-10C-X -> 3d printed
@tommyboy0545 жыл бұрын
Wow, just wow.
@alexsiemers78985 жыл бұрын
I want to know how an extendable nozzle could work for the Raptor on the BFR. In particular, it could be used in a retracted state for an atmospheric (much smaller) nozzle. Plus, the LCH4 fuel means that the regenerative cooling wouldn’t be as necessary due to the lower temperatures.
@davidmoore12535 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail looks like an unmasked dalek.
@avejst5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this😀👍
@ig2d5 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail looks like some kind of haute couture ball gown
@quoniam4265 жыл бұрын
Now ask girls to coseplay as RL10 exhausts !
@freesaxon68355 жыл бұрын
Another winner video
@notmadeofpeople49355 жыл бұрын
3:10 The RL10 looks like a dalek in this picture.
@AndrewScott838155 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott! I would really love to see a video about how rocket engines are vacuum tested on the ground. Can they test upper stage solid boosters in a vacuum at sea level? What type of equipment is used to sustain a vacuum for testing? Anyway! Great vid!
@donberg015 жыл бұрын
I have a question that is bothering me that I know you can answer. As an A&P mechanic I understand the theory of the fuel control, throttling, and the Brayton cycle of a jet engine. My question is this: 1.what is the stoichiometric of a rocket engine, 2. how do you throttle a liquid rocket engine, it has no carb or fuel injectors, 3. how do you start engines with no ignitor/spark device, 3. Is it a self sustaining cycle? (i.e. jet engine)? TX! I will be waiting for your answer!
@Kieselmeister5 жыл бұрын
valves upstream from the turbo-pumps. throttled turbo pumps = variable fuel/oxidizer flow to the thrust chamber = throttled thrust...
@stephenirwin27615 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@hydrolox39533 жыл бұрын
Im Scott Manley, expand safe!
@bernardolozano74295 жыл бұрын
Great vid
@memespeech3 жыл бұрын
4:55 the stats seem to be in favor of the A-4-2 and B-2, unless the C-1 is cheaper or more reliable, but that's not in the stats..
@Clap_My_Dog5 жыл бұрын
That's a beast of a rocket
@erfquake15 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott, idea for a show: the old Russian NK-33 (?) engine; revolutionary closed system, much better performance, had a bad run with the N-1, put in storage, rediscovered by the West as "sliced bread 2.0", cleaned up, renamed AJ-26, had a bad run with Antares, and now what? Was it finally tossed as a concept, or are there versions still kicking around? What's your take on that evolutionary line of engine design?
@shanent57937 ай бұрын
Boiling the hydrogen seems like a really bad idea, the heat capacites are unpredictable, and the resulting gas/liquid mixture can't be good for the turbine. Boiling also limits the chamber pressure to no more than 200 psi so it's unlikely that it would reach the quoted performance. The pressures must have been much higher to allow the supercritical fuel to smoothly expand through the cooling jacket and turbine, as the cycle's name suggests
@UpLateGeek5 жыл бұрын
From the thumbnail it looked like you were talking about Daleks!
@Yaivenov3 жыл бұрын
What would be the specific impulse for an RL10 and its tidy expander cycle switched over to the unholy mixture of liquid fluorine and liquid hydrogen?
@DouglasJohann5 жыл бұрын
So, the second stage engine don't fire before the nozzle is fully extended, that has to cost a bit of performance (like not firing it right away after stage sep.). I'm sure the overall benefit must make it worth it but just thinking.
@jidgeanimations68665 жыл бұрын
Lovely fireball
@IbnBahtuta5 жыл бұрын
We will know we are truly in the space age when Aldi and Lidl start selling tickets to the moon. Maybe not. lol
@WonTonChickon5 жыл бұрын
this is cool
@geertwilders31615 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@typograf625 жыл бұрын
Inverse Baked Alaska? Ice on the outside, baked stuff on the inside.
@Sciolist2 жыл бұрын
5:03 and OMEGA. Curious why it was said like that.
@Jimfoxyboy5 жыл бұрын
Ice forming on the edge of an engine bell.. ya I remember that video, pretty crazy, and cool, (sorry). Also, wasn't it you that talked about the very severe thermal gradients in engine bell structures, and the engineering challenges involved? Having ice form on the edge of the bell , maybe not such a big deal. What are the chances of ice forming up inside under certain conditions? If it does, might pose a bit of a concern with smooth flow? I know the engineers included a way to control the cooling on the RS-25 bells for the shuttle, based on the throttle setting. Maybe something similar? Regards!
@technicalsupport60165 жыл бұрын
evening from uk Scott
@eannamcnamara93385 жыл бұрын
Aorojet rocketdyne's KSP couldn't run so they made the engine out of copper to lower the part count by 90%. Now it kinda runs correctly.
@RealityIsTheNow5 жыл бұрын
lol they've been making excellent rocket engines for over 50 years. The RL-10 is one of the greatest engines of all time...it doesn't "kinda run correctly". lol
@eannamcnamara93385 жыл бұрын
@@RealityIsTheNow sorry i accidentally removed KSP
@WestOfEarth5 жыл бұрын
Glad the Delta Heavy launched without problems. I tried three times to watch it live from the beach, but scrubbed. Of course it launches when I can't watch it live, lol. I'm also becoming concerned with SpaceX. Perhaps I'm being paranoid for the company, but it seems the unfair competition it faces might be impacting its progress.
@TheEvilmooseofdoom5 жыл бұрын
I'm curious what unfair competition? I thought spacex was dominating the launch market.
@WestOfEarth5 жыл бұрын
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Scott mentioned in a vid a few weeks back that a number of up-coming US government space missions have been specifically designed to interface and launch only with Delta / Atlas rockets. So even though SpaceX could launch these missions more cheaply, they're being 'rocket-blocked' by the US Congress - most likely to funnel tax dollars to the behemoths of Boeing, etal which of course have parts manufacturing facilities spread across as many representative districts as possible.