Great idea. Anyone can look at pankration iconography but analysis takes an expert eye. Please do continue

Good call these, these depictions are a massive source of information and understanding them is vital

Awesome work bro. You're filling a very important niche as a martial arts historian. I immensely look forward to the next episode

i definitely like this idea to get more consistent content. i think it's also cool to have a specific historical example both as a visual aid and a way to be more informed. i was wondering, would you consider covering grappling techniques in pankration? either through a dedicated video or these vase breakdowns thanks for bringing light to this sport, i think you're doing a huge service to the community

This is fantastic. Would love to see more videos in this style.

Great video. I'd love to see more of it. How you read the movement out of the picture was really good and as I think totally at the point. Further I really appreciate the historical explanation of the vase and the shown Details, like clothing etc..

Very interesting and educational

keep the series going !

This was very informative to watch, and for me personally is the exact type of content I've come to like this channel for. Thank you!!

I love art and paintings so naturally I enjoy this type of content! And Im happy to be able to support your work through Patreon as well

Great vid 👍 really like this idea 🙂 analysing some of the best and only evidence available. The complex scene makes much more sense now.

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Brilliant!! Found the shorter video easier to digest the information.

Great video! Didn't know some of the details on vase composition that you mentioned.

I liked this, I like the idea of having more videos more often, not all have to be 30 min essays whith bibliography, it's nice to also have these short videos, and since I don't know many vases this is perfect, I like the vase drawing style and I'm happy to learn as much as I can about what they depict. Athena looked beautiful in all her depictions, and i loved the variety and ornamentation of the dresses, we always imagine Greeks always in white, which might be the same as the statues, not a real thing necessarily. I know this is about the martial arts but I wouldn't mind at all a video simply showing diferent kinds of beautiful clothing from the Hellenic cultures or even the meaning of the diferent types of ornamentation such as the iconic square meandering lines and the wave patterns. In general I'm very interested in seeing as much ancient art as possible commented by you, and especially Paintings since everyone focus only on the sculptures. I can't blame them but the greek amphora paintings are mostly unknown to me. Also I don't know if you made a video a bout the god of war games, I'm very interested in your opinion on them, especially the greek centred ones. The old Kratos we habe now is more laconic and basically feels like a diferent person, while the classic young Kratos is to me basically Heracles but angryer. I'm aware of the many flaws of the games when it comes to the portrait of the Hellenic culture but I can't help but think the games do have some accurate things, if not to the myths, making them look like they could be thematically. basically, could Kratos's journey be to the liking of the ancient Greeks? it definitely has a lot of tragedy and pathos. what was I saying... yes, please more amphora analysis, I cast my positive voting stone

Very interesting, really enjoyed this

This is awesome! Would love to see more of this, looks like i’d be a very interesting series

Definitely interesting!

Interesting n not boring bruv

I like the video. Hope you plan on making more. As soon as I can, I’ll be “donating “ to help out with the project. I look forward to seeing the results.

I love the detail and amount of research in your videos. Really excellent content 👍

Loving it 👍

Excellent! Thank you

Really good content, I liked the combination of the history of the actual vase itself and then the detailed analysis of all of the elements of the scene depicted. Short and very informative. At some stage I hope to see your analysis of the Roman bronze statue of the boxer, but also an analysis of the cestus itself as a piece of sporting equipment. I'm not sure if you're aware of an anecdote about Diogenes, the Cynic philosopher, borrowing a cestus and beating the hell out of someone?

HAHAHAHA wow I love this channel😂 I was on a date the other day with a jiu jitsu guy who starts telling me he’s into Greco Roman wrestling and so I was like, “WeLl ActUaLly there’s this KZfaq channel I subscribe to..,” and also talked about some books I’d read about the origins of the Olympic Games AND I PULLED UP A PHOTO OF THIS EXACT VASE I took at the met last month 😭😭😭 and he told me about the techniques in this one, and also, another vase in the same display case has a depiction of a bulldog choke. So we’re going on another date so I can talk about Greek sculpture and pottery, wish me luck. I was simping so hard I basically suggested I’d go research more depictions of fights on vases so we could learn about the technique… so I’m glad this series now exists instead because you’ll do a better job researching than I will lol also You’re so real for clowning on the met’s label descriptions, there are SO many that are straight up stupid in that gallery, you likely can’t double their pay as it was I think written by curatorial interns years ago. But it’s only one of the first objects that thousands of visitors will see if they walk to the left once entering the museum lol

This series will be brilliant ! Your level of knowledge and reasoned analysis is sorely lacking in the subject Looking forward to part 2 P.S. I have seen that vase in person in NYC

Love it. Learned a lot. Keep going.

I love this idea man, keep going and please use YT shorts more it'll help you a lot.

Really cool videos

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Another great video. Question for you: Would you be willing to make a video (or even just respond to the comment) that lists the rules of ancient pankration as far as we know them? Looking to incorporate the old style into my training. I know you’ve mentioned a lot of the rules already but I’d be interested in having a semi-codified ruleset. For instance: Is there ground and pound? Can you win via pin or only submission/KO? Palm strikes only or were closed fists allowed just discouraged? Knees/elbows? Love your work. Thanks for bringing back the old ways.

Loved it, can't wait to see future videos like this, however the random side rants while entertaining at times feel too frequent and drag the video on longer removing time you could be talking about what is depicted, I am super curious to see what the defeder would have, or could have done with catching the foot and having and underhook on the leg.

Hi, can you do an overview of the use of halteres, small dumbbells, in Greece? Cheers.

It is strange that on greek vases the kicks are not depicted as a winning technique. The same goes with the Bubishi, a "book" from south China (more a series of random stuff and martial art drawings) dating 150 to 300 years ago, and influencial on southern kung-fu and karate... and there too, the guy who is depicted kicking is the one who gets countered.

i like it very much. it would be interesting to explore why there are no pictures of successful kicks. coincidence because we have just a fraction of original pictures? or defense against kicks was so thoughtful? I do not think fighters would be trying to kick if there was no chance to success.

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4:17 Just a thought. The roosters remind me of the Yoruba's Osha ofin religion's guardian spirit "Osun". It symbolizes a call to awakening from darkness and ignorance, and to open the eyes to wisdom and knowledge. It also serves as an alarm or warning to the bearer when black magic or curses are afoot. Since it is believed that the roots of Osha Ofin are in the ancient Egyptian religions. It is possible that it was also part of some unknown Egyptian cults, and by a long stretch also adopted by the Greeks and Romans.... Just a thought!.....

i feel more educated now :D

Good idea for content. Like another comment said, shorts are worth trying too. You can repurpose older videos for clips. Also, 3:05 sanctuaries of what?

I'd love to see in depth analysis on depictions in vases, also is it possible the defender in 5:52 couldve stepped back to catch the attack? Or is there not enough indication to make that claim?

What do you make of this interpretation?: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntZ6ZrVp2rK7dps.html

Wraia seira. Synexise thn

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