This, its def kind of like Gabon where I like it as one off becasue of how different it feels from the survivor formula. It feels like a dramatic look at the way religion is used to control in society.

Coach going from completely on the outs to in control of a disturbingly devoted cult in a matter of weeks really does make for a fascinating watch.

This is so fucking accurate.

​@@burnout713 Coach's progression from Tocantins to Heroes vs Villains to South Pacific is honestly incredible to watch.

😂

honestly it's what we all wanted and needed

There are three sure things in life : death, taxes, and bowie jane catching strays

Week 1 of the season I asked my brother what she'd be for Halloween. So sad when the goat is that obvious.

As a bb superfan, BB25 is surely one of the seasons of all time.

As much as I like Coach as a character, his South Pacific run did indeed leave a very bad taste in my mouth. As someone who does hold a strong faith that revolves around prayer, that was absolutely disgusting on so many levels. As for Brandon, this is making a lot more sense that first appears. Like his actions are still quite bad, especially when Cochran also dealt with similar manipulation problems that season and seems mentally good, but why does this make a whole lot more sense than it did when this incident originally happened.

Isn’t it just good game play? Using religion is a great way to manipulate people.

@@rbaki94 maybe good strategic gameplay to get to the end, but not to get votes in the end

​@@rbaki94it's kind of similar to swearing on your mother's life, it might get you to the end but you're not going to be particularly well liked.

​@yellercat500cat7 If the idea of religion being used to mentally and emotionally manipulate others makes you feel uncomfortable, my answer to that is always the same. Good! It SHOULD make you uncomfortable. And if you are sitting there saying, "Well that's not what my faith is based on," or "that's not accurate to what real Christians are like," than you are being willfully ignorant of the very bleak reality that is the dangers religion brings to society. Violent acts are committed under the guise of "God's will." Every. Single. Day. People who only behave in a certain manner because they think it rewards them in heaven are some of the fakest and most delusional people on the planet.

I actually didn't find Tommy or Lauren particularly dislikable...everyone else in that group though, they can kick rocks

Thank you this list is great

Great list. Young Samburu of Africa would probably top it for me, but Nakums, Colton/Alicia and Scot/Jason are all strong contenders.

@@NYChica23 What's shocking about that group especially is Elaine is included in there. She was one of the people to vote Kellee out.

Yeah I'm not sure why Zapatera is in this video.

I don’t get it

@@mfhiroshimaIt's a reference to the Ku Klux Klan, a white supremacist organization known for wearing white robes with pointy hoods.

@@mfhiroshima kkk

It's my mission in life to help everyone see how heroic she is

@@IdoledOut this is true heroism

@@IdoledOut It's clear you found the love of your life in Candice

@@idogonen3075 Candace? from raro tribe?

​​@@IdoledOutYou were far too kind about her second appearance. She was just as insufferable in Heroes vs. Villains as she was in Cook Islands. She, once again, flipped on her alliance for no reason at all. Considering how badly that went for her in Cook Islands, you would think she would have learned her lesson. She's a terrible player.

There is always Will Wahl to save your reputation.

I agree. It was fascinating and it makes for a rare season that gets better on repeat viewings.

It’s one of those things that seemed bound to happen at least once in Survivor.

If Coach was a fictional character on a fictional show, then he'd be a fan favorite villain.

@@Lechgang He's a fan favorite villain on a real show instead

Does it make things better? Really?

I'm pretty sure Burma/Myanmar, Belarus, Yemen & Syria were later added/were honorary members. Edit: And Afghanistan.

literally referred to them in the beginning of the video.

god i hated the raros, production def rigged the bottle twist but thank god that they did

​@@itzwakk335 If by "rigged", you mean that the bottle was changed out when Raro lost the challenge, I disagree. But I do feel like it was added mid-season based on the circumstances, when most twists are planned well before the season begins filming. Production took a risk and assumed the Aitu 4 were the more likely winners of the following immunity challenge, which was primarily swimming. If Aitu lost, it would be disastrous. But it was the only way to make sure the season didn't get the show cancelled having an all-white alliance dominate the game in the most racially diverse season in history.

idc if it was rigged or not i'm just glad that the raros lost numbers and got pagonged@@Sliacen

@@itzwakk335felt bad for Jenny and Brad cause I dunno what makes the Raro trio sickening. Oh yeah because they are snowflake prom dates with no strategy or reasoning.

@@itzwakk335too bad also that the raro didn’t get rid of Candice and Parvati

I think the 4 Horseman were left off due to kinda falling into that "love to hate" category. That Edgardo blindside is one of the absolute greatest moments in all of survivor.

@@dashieprodx Yeah, def not a great alliance but their downfall was pretty satisfying.

Alex is one of the nicer players in the first half and Edgardo was pretty pleasant, being one of the few people to voice any degree of issue with the way Rocky treated Anthony. And Dreamz seems like an okay guy, car deal or no. They’re really not that bad.

“Jeff, I’m an adopted child”

Yeah. I mean, I didn't like hate Mike or Joe during airing, but I never liked Shirin at all. The moment her pre-game interview mentioned how she went and killed and skinned a rabbit before the game started simply to "see what it felt like", I lost any chance of NOT disliking her.

I always liked Mike, for the whole season. Rodney and Dan were actively targeting Mike , but then gaslit him when he found them out. I found the season super enjoyable because no matter what Rodney or Dan did, they just couldn't get their way. It was immensely satisfying to me to watch them melt down every time Mike won something.

Yeah I really didn't like Shirin which made it a little difficult to feel bad for her.

Jenn deserves a spot on Heroes vs Villains II as a hero for putting up with that group

The Raro alliance were just total douchebags, though. Like even Parvati was such a loser

its ironic because the aitu four arent exactly an interesting alliance. theyre just way more likeable than raro

Even the Aitu Four are pretty boring when you think about it, but everybody sees the ethnic-minorities alliance through rose-tinted glasses. The whole post-merge would've been the most boring thing ever if Penner didn't exist. Coincidentally I was rooting for Penner, so I hated the Raros with a passion.

Doesn't mean it makes them more heroes and likable to some

My only defense for them is Rob was actually the 3rd biggest jury goat in the merge after of course Phillip and Natalie. Grant, Ashley, Matt from Ometepe all beat him in a jury vote, and possibly even Andrea as well. Still it should have been obvious if they let him he would bring Phillip and Natalie T, the two biggest goats in Survivor history.

Triple entendre don’t ask me how

I loved Ralph ❤️❤️❤️

I do think South Pacific is interesting in hindsight/on a binge from a sociological perspective for the reasons you mentioned. I agree the finale is fantastic, and it actually climbs my rankings each time I view it. Watching it live however was absolute torture and the memory haunts me to this day

Pretty much, Rodney wanted revenge on Mike because of his bromance with Joaquin ended too soon (Roaqun for life), and Jenn idoling out Kelly, basically gave Rodney the chance, along with the auction

I doubt Savaii would've pagonged Upolu, they were very fractured. Cochran and Dawn could've still flipped to Upolu the next round, and Jim would've tried to blindside Ozzy early in the merge

That’s amazing!!!

Man, Idk, Zapatera was TV death.

I agree but if they would not have thrown that challenge in episode 3, the game and season may have been a lot different. But they just went with their feelings about Russell instead. RIP Ralph

Tbh, her first season was rough on the edges.. like when she first returned I remember people really were just asking why she was chosen.

She got lucky

@@Tuturial464 This. Also heard that she was a strong player first season but the editing didn't show it and if Penner didn't switch vote she would've been a strong candidate to win the whole thing

​@@DallasT1998she however didn't think Yul had the idol. She could have increased her chances by trying to align with Penner and could have destroyed the Aitu4 if she had more physical powerhouses. Let's be honest her social game stunk and also. Eww gross

@@Tuturial464 I mean tbf, after what's been said about her by former castmates and also given her performance on The Traitors, I do think she has a poor social game... She was lucky her competition when she won (Amanda) was worst and Cirie would have cleaned the floor on her had it been a Final 3 then...She has good tactics to get to the end or deep but she has poor social skills. That's why Sandra would trump her any day in any game.

From Raro tribe??

Perfect

I agree. I hated the Omotepes more for their arrogance (Phillip, Ashley, Rob), extreme passiveness (Grant, Natalie, even Andrea unfortunately), and stupidity (Matt).

That's why you don't throw a challenge.

Yeah, he's excluded from that little disclaimer

No they ate Cochran up and he deserved it. Like he actively threw away a million dollars not only for himself but also his whole alliance, they had a right to be mad

No Upolu is far worse. The worst alliance of all is Ometepe were everyone was unlikeable, particularly Boston Rob, Francesca, Phillip, and Kristina, and where Boston Rob was a huge jerk off this season and treated everyone horribly, especialy the people he personally hated like Grant and Kristina.

@@scottidols9933 Did you see how Cochran was treated by the Savaii alliance (minus Dawn) all of pre-merge? Honestly, I'd have flipped on those assholes too the second I could, because they made the pecking order pretty clear there

@@NYChica23 Also, let's not forget Coach masterfully convinced him to jump ship. Super underrated game move on his part.

Really shows how unlikable the South Pacific cast was when people argue which tribe was worst than the other one

You know it's bad when you find yourself pulling for the unhinged cult. I felt the same way.

Granted, Cochran was pretty unlikeable himself. His humor style is extremely punch-down (which is even more pronounced when he’s in a power position on Caramoan), and I remember more than a few “jokes” at the expense of women in general. But yeah, for as culty as Upolu is, they were probably the nicer tribe on a whole lol.

@@ScorpionTDC Yeah, he was a bit cocky and riding a high in Caramoan, but grated he was playing with a whole season of Trainwrecks and people who weren't even real fans of Survivor. South Pacific Cochran was nothing like that. HE was the one being punched down on.

@@roger_towny_jr Minus all the jokes and quips at the expense of women in general. I don't even remember his tribe really punching down on him before he flipped (where yeah, they did then). They mostly talked voting him out because he was weak in challenges + didn't do much around camp... which is completely and entirely fair. Weak players ARE generally voted out or in discussion to be voted out. That's not punching down - just Survivor. As for Caramoan, I don't think someone who got handed a freebie win with a season stacked with all his personal friends has any room to punch down on anyone in the cast.

@ScorpionTDC What comments at the expense of women? And no, it wasn't just discussion about voting him off, they were outright bullying him. Kieth and Witney constantly made him feel bad and treated him like a loser just because he wanted a place to sleep in the shelter at night. There's a whole offscreen incident where Ozzy forced Cocran help him kill a chicken, which he was extremely uncomfortable with (pretty normal if you've never done it before) and when the chickens blood splattered all over him and he was naturally upset, Ozzy LAUGHED at his expense. And Caramoan can't be understated that cast was terrible. Most of the favorites weren't actually favorites, but just disasters waiting to happen (being honest here, Brandon Hantz should NEVER have been on that season) and the "fanc weren't actually fans. This has been Cochran's dream for years to play this game, and he's put on a season with a bunch of recruits who don't even give a sh*t about the game!

@@roger_towny_jr Never heard of the chicken incident before or them bullying him over sleeping in the shelter. Cochran made a lot of jokes about how he shouldn’t be considered the weakest player on the tribe when there’s a bunch of women still on the tribe - I remember them because they immediately took me from sympathizing with the guy on SoPa to actively rooting against him and disliking him. It’s worth noting that a decent chunk of the tribe Cochran flipped to dislikes him too - particularly Sophie who was easily one of the most level-headed and reasonable players on that season by a long shot. It can be a case where Cochran is kind of an asshole and his tribe were kind of assholes (which appears to be the case). The Caramoan cast sucking was done to ensure Cochran could get an EZ-freebie win… lol. He legitimately has no excuse to judge. If he gets a competent cast filled with actual fans and actual favorites, he doesn’t win.

Both of the alliances that season sucked.

Enjoyable, even.

I think viewers are bored of the Rebas just kind of steamrolling everyone. They've been playing the post-merge very well, but the lack of opposition could make the show a bit dull for some people.

@@kaitlynwickham6237 that’s true. I’ve been frustrated by the Belo’s but that’s not Reba’s fault. Again I just think the edit could have given them a more well rounded edit that showed their social/strategic game in hiding their alliance

Sometimes pagongings happen and honestly this is a case when it is completely deserved. Reba are a great alliance with great gameplayers and while the conclusion may be boring, I mean who were they up against? Belo? I liked Bruce but he's genuinely one of the worst players to have ever made the merge, and while he was awful, Katurah and Kendra refusing to work with him or at least around him isn't a good choice either. Jake's the only one who actually was smart enough as funny as it sounds but gameplay wise Belo just couldn't connect. Lulu isn't even worth a discussion bc 2 thirds of them were already out, and Kaleb was so high target wise that he was a dead fish especially when Reba actually played smart. Emily is great and really the only non Reba player that has any chance imo unless Katurah manages to reach F3.

the reba 4 are definitely good, but I do question whether they're playing extremely well or if belo is just playing extremely poorly that it makes reba look amazing. in the last episode, them splitting the vote was a bad idea and should've got one of them voted out but belo dropped the ball on that one.

@@getthisbread3877 you're saying this as if it's contradictory. They split the votes because they knew Belo could never work together. Reba are genuinely skilled, not lucky. If Belo were tight, Reba would probably not think about splitting so easily. Belo are messy and also Reba are tight at the same time, which lead to the result you're seeing here today.