That's great! Glad you're here and shoot your questions my way.

That's great to see a piece of gear last that long and be shared with the next generation! Good stuff.

Glad you liked the review! And ya those steep walls are real nice. Honestly I didn't think much of it on paper but you do feel quite a difference once you're inside.

That's fantastic, I'm glad you're getting back into camping and taking your kid out. Mine love it and hopefully they'll have fond memories of it as they grow older. Thanks for the support and enjoy that new tent!

That's awesome, I'm sure you're gonna love it!

Indeed that's a nice one. You should check out the Springbar Classic Jack 140. Probably the best bang for the buck in my opinion. It's hot tent ready and makes a great hunting tent.

Very much the Airstream of tents.

Glad you like it! Sounds like you're the kinda guy everyone wants in their group.

I have the classic jack 140. I am debating on getting the skyliner too. Do like the SpringBar over a traditional Canvas Wall tent? From like white duck. What I am interested in is pros and cons Skyliner VS Wall Tent.

Sounds good. I'm looking forward to using it in winter.

Great suggestions! I'll put those on the list. Thanks for the support!

That's a good one too!

You have a brain that functions, so you bought the best tent for the money. American made is great, but not for a blatantly stupid price.

@@Bibs123 I payed 300 for it new. A guy was selling it because his wife had a cow over him buying another tent. I guess he had too many?!

Interesting, I haven't used those before. So did you figure out a solution that works?

Yes instead of using the bundle package with the hot stove I just use my stove with the exit One Mini flange

Indeed! That would be a niche with no options today.

Something to look into...10x10 MIGHT be too small????

I've tried a medium Woodlander stove and a large Nomad and I prefer the large size. It is a bit longer inside so it holds standard 16" long firewood, where the medium is a bit short, so it's sorta a pain. Also I can pack the Nomad full with more wood for a longer burn time which means less getting up at night to restock to stay warm when it's super cold out. If I could go back I'd probably get a large Winnerwell Woodlander because I like how they sit up a little higher than the Nomad for cooking on it.

That's awesome that you got one! You're gonna love it. Bummer about the missing stuff. Springbar's customer service is pretty excellent in my experience so I'm sure if you reach out to them they'll get you taken care of. springbar.com/pages/contact

That's a great idea! Thanks for the suggestion. I'll see about how I could put something like that together.

Indeed, I'm interested to know myself.

I think I measured that specifically in this other video, but I can't remember off the top of my head. I wanna say it's about 18 inches wider from front to back on the Skyliner vs the CJ140. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p9Z1math1c2niHU.html

Good to know, I'm taking mental notes.

Actually this will fit! I thought I saw the packed size to be 6’5”. Thanks for the great in depth videos.

That'a a good idea. I tried extending the side poles as much as possible, but that seemed to exacerbate the ripples. But going big with the awning poles could help pull the roof out more from front to back and I can see how that could help. Thanks for sharing!

@@outdoorempirecom actually I think it's that the canvas shrinks when cold or wet, this pull the canvas and the ridge pole closer together. I also found like you said to lower the side poles and put the tension screw at it's shortest also helps. I noticed the canvas, and maybe because it's so new too, shrinks/expands a lot during the day just with the changing of temperature, and especially when wet. Because it's so big it takes a bit more finesse to get setup right but hopefully that'll lessen a bit as goes through more hot/cold/wet cycles

Ya I hear you. Not cheap. They made a couple tweaks to the design that should prevent the pooling issue. I haven't had it in steady rain since to vet that. But I do love the volume and the fact that I can walk around upright inside and don't have to hunch over. Time will tell if that roof causes issues, but if it does, it's an exception to other Springbar designs which are known for being rock solid in rain and snow. I've had no such issue in their Classic Jack 140, for example. Cheers.

Indeed, it is a lot for a tent and doesn't make sense unless you love it so much you'll use it frequently and for the rest of your life. Sure is nice to have the space and the options though. I'm not a fan of Buddy heaters. Seen one burn down a truck before.

Good observation. And yes when bugs are a problem we do zip both doors up tight at night rather than one or the other. But you don't always need to like when it's really cold and bugs aren't a problem, just the solid door is fine. Or when it's hot, just the mesh door is fine and leave the solid open. It struck me as odd at first, but I don't think about it anymore and it's not a problem to me. The extra volume inside is awesome!

Seasoning a canvas tent helps make it more water resistant. I did a video on it here. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y-BngsmYzpbboHk.html If not using a wood stove I'd look at an electric space heater with a generator or a big battery bank. I don't like the propane heaters because I have a family member who had a tragic accident caused by a Little Buddy heater that burned down a truck. And I'm not a huge fan of the electric because it's expensive and loud if you use a generator and it requires way more equipment. Honestly I love the wood stove option. It's a little more work but it's cheaper, safer, and not so gear intensive in my opinion.

@@outdoorempirecom okay perfect I appreciate your time.. and yes I ended up seeing that video shortly before you posted your comment so I feel like a dumb dumb lol I have been binge watching your videos for the past 2 days now they are very informative and I greatly appreciate your insight

@@desertchild. My pleasure! Glad you're finding it helpful.

I think you're referring to the Winnerwell stove right? If so, the stove that has the attachment to draw air from the outside in is mainly designed for use with a Sauna which is often in a hard-sided structure that is more sealed off from the outside oxygen source. It also draws in fresh outside air so as not to "recycle" the already-hot inside air that you want to make even hotter. Not sure what Winnerwell would say, but in my opinion that isn't necessary for a camping tent, especially a canvas one that already breathes quite well so there is no shortage of fresh air and oxygen inside even if your fire is consuming the same oxygen as the people inside it. I think the added cost and risk of cutting another hole into your tent for the air intake is far more of a hassle than any benefit it might offer in this situation.

Ooo, that's a tough one. I'm actually gonna release a video on that very topic in a couple weeks. The classic jack 140 is $900 less than the Skyliner and it mostly provides the same experience. Although the Skyliner does feel noticeably larger inside because of those near vertical walls. And every part of it just has a higher end feel.

@@outdoorempirecom Cool thank you - appreciate the response and looking forward to the video

Yes for some, no for others. If you have more important things to do with your limited funds, then I'd say don't stress about spending the extra $900 for the Skyliner. The experience in the Classic Jack 140 is pretty darn close. You have the same footprint, hot tent compatibility, and great in bad weather. But if the extra money doesn't set you back elsewhere, then the Skyliner does have more of a premium fit and finish to it. Plus it feels noticeably larger inside since the roof is bigger and the walls are more vertical. The extra awning, poles, and rigging are gonna help in real nasty weather and it's very cool that it is made in the USA. Just depends on what your priorities are, but setting price aside, ya the Skyliner is better.

@@outdoorempirecom thank you for your time

😞 I hear ya. Maybe check out the Classic Jack 140 for $900 less.

Interesting predicament. Seems like there should be a better solution for this.

I'm in touch with Kodiak and they have a solution for getting an 8x9 Flex Bow to the UK. I want it for motorcycle touring, so weight/size is an issue and while it's true that the Outfitter is the smallest/lightest, the Flex Bow is a close second, plus cost effective.. The similar White Duck is much heavier. Thanks for your reviews... they've been v helpful in making a choice. I've even pointed a major UK camping supplier to these products! @@outdoorempirecom

Same with shipping to Canada. Makes no sense in 2024.

Wow that's a major bummer! Really sorry to hear that.

Sorry but I disagree, my Kodiak has been a tank in some brutal weather.

I have a Kodiak 10 x 10 tent. It has never leaked. It's been up for months at a time. This tent leaked on its initial review by this guy. You'd, think he and Springbar, who gave it to him, would correct the problem before posting the video. He did get another tent, as he showed, with the same issues to the roof. It might leak, it might not, but it's a stupidly expensive tent that the average person surely doesn't need.

Not easy to find these days!

Haha I can't argue with you there! Once the devil's in haha. I guess the point I'm trying to make us relative to a nylon or polyester tent, canvas tents breathe and ventilate better. Too bad they don't have A/C though!

@theoutdoorempire I have a eureka copper canyon. It is big enough for me. I do take a floor fan with me though. I guess I need some kind of air blowing. Instead of just opening the windows.

Spring Bar tents lack ventilation. I tried to use mine on a very humid night and dew was accumulating on the roof so much that it would purge over the side in a big wave, and because all of my doors and windows were open it splash through the screens. I got soaked. Kind of a unique situation, but might apply to you in the south.

@DirtRated yes, it does get humid here. Some days. I don't even want to go to work. Cause I work outside. I do have a eureka tent. I bought a floor fan years ago. Everytime that I go camping. That fan goes with me. At night, the fan is on.

Curious if anyone has tried the icybreeze coolers/ac system? Seems like that would be a pretty cool option.

It would be nice if US made stuff was cheaper.

You are a smart person to save your family's money and not get ripped off for the benefit of some yuppies in Utah. It's moronic to buy this tent for that price, especially for the average person. If he were honest, he would state that fact, but he's too mesmerized by the free shit.

Haha, man, I wish there was that kind of money in KZfaq! Or that it was that cheap to build a cabin!

But why build a cabin when you can have a Springbar and take it wherever you want?

Perhaps I haven't been too attentive but I've never notice anyone constructing a cabin on land other than their own. Having camped 50+ years in a number of tents, from cheap to higher end tents, after having camped in a Kodiak, I never went back to cheaper, non-canvas alternatives other than the Gazelle. Now that I've seen the advancements and improved construction details of the Springbar, looking forward to getting my Skyliner. With the increased durability, comfort, versatility and ease of set-up, those springbar design tents are worth the additional cost. To be honest, my camp cehicle is simply not set up to haul around any "cabin" you find cheaper.

Still saving my pennies for one of those.