He used to be a GD guy but man's is killing it in TM, I was surprised to see his name around

WTF but this guy was a gd youtuber before lmao crazy

Youre right. There is a Lack of virtual Main channels. And there is one reason for that.. There are no virtual channels. Btw this video kinda reminds me of wirtuals Videos, but without the KZfaq voice

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@@whitewolfsounds2273 fuck my autocorrect lmao

Financial incentive makes streaming and continous uploading of highlights more lucrative than high effort production.

I Didn't Know You Played Trackmania

Very glad you liked it! I still have a long way to go before producing amazing quality like you and others in this style, but I’m working on it! ❤

​@@James404_Yeah It's crazy to think about it, he's famous in both gd and tm

Who sings that?@@James404_

That doesn't work on a map like this

i think samifying but i noticed the same

yeh that's all a quantum slide is

@@benjt8680 a quantum slide doesn’t seem to have perfect overlap and slows you down when you gear up doesn’t it?

@@the1barbarian781 'quantum slide' is just what W guy started calling no slides when at the max steering angle you can hold, even tho you can see a slight split its still a noslide

From my experience speedrunning and playing trackmania, the overall experience of finding lines and optimizing each section and turn of a track is extremely similar to find strats and optimizing them in a speedrun. I agree that the intention of the game is different, but the similarity of specifically speedrunning (not your first playthrough of a game) and trackmania is what I think Jnic is pointing out in the video

It's an extremely blurry line and not a distinction worth getting hung up on imo. There are plenty of non-racing games that are essentially time-trials that don't get this kind of comment - like nobody questioned the idea of Neon White speedruns when they cropped up. As someone who's been speedrunning and playing racing games for decades - it's the same impulse and experience, just on a different scale.

by "traditional speedrunning" you mean glitch-роrn? you have to be completely cooked to alienate the origins of speedrunning by putting it next to a nintendo party game

Wirtual and i have proved quantum slides have a significant acceleration increase compared to nosliding. It’s not the same thing.

It is a speedrun game in the definition of the word, just going as fast as possible is a speedrun. But it's still the point of the game. Both can be true.

Speedsliding, if it were to be tutorialized appropriately, would be a good mechanic and that's why long term players treat it as normal/like it that much. It's an interesting balancing act similar to how bunnyhopping prevents players from moving in a "direct" manner in first person games, for example, being that you're "slipping in the forward direction" while "not losing grip to an extent which overly negatively interferes with your racing line", offering a balance players have to think about where they have to decide about optimal racing line vs exit speed vs even more exit speed but harder execution and a possibly even less optimal racing line. Add in stuff like forcing early gear-ups with speedslides and the nuances are very nice for the kinds of players who enjoy a deceptively deep game. In the particular case of this video, Jnic opens up by noting that he'll go overly deep into nuanced mechanics rather than focus on what new players do and don't need. A new player doesn't really need any awareness of speedsliding, but being aware can only be good because it helps them understand/explain specific map design decisions and turn combinations similar to how they shouldn't delve too deep into any one facet of the game before being broadly comfortable with the considerations of car control and general racing lines, and a proper tutorialization(not what this video is intended to do) would consider such.

@@sunderkeenin yes, I would not argue that SD adds a level of complexity into the game and that it is interesting. Community made thousands of maps, which are by design require SD, so SD can be considered to be a well established mechanic for long term players. But still I think we should differentiate between something that is built in the game deliberately (basically game mechanis) and something which was discovered by players later (exploits, bugs, glitches and so on). I may be wrong saying 'SD is not intended by Nadeo'. One can say that if SD (and some other features) don't change from game to game, then they are intended. But for me the fact that SD is practically hidden says the reverse. I mean, if you don't explore YT, reddit or other forums, there is almost zero chance you would discover this. Gears are also not obvious, but at least you can hear them (and spot that something go wrong on turns). But SD are counterintuitive since you should allow sliding which by the common sense dictates the speed loss. And the speed loss happens in the majority of situations except the case of hitting the special slight angle. But how would you spot the speed boost if the game itself don't tell you about this (there is no speedometer by default and no speed splits as well; sound at these speeds is not the best indicator). Anyway my major take was 'SD is unintended and hidden = > SD is not the game mechanic but rather the exploit abused by speedrunners or anything like that'. But after some additional mind processing I realised that I'm too harsh and now I would just say that we should introduce viewers to things like SD not just calling them mechanics, but perhaps giving more explanotary terms like 'SD is the feature of game physics, which gave rise to the establishment of the whole mechanic'. (BTW, thank you for long answer. It is always a pleasure for me to read how someone in detail describes something about the game they like)

@@dimastus so, i've been thinking about the points you make here. Starting with the video critique, i don't totally agree with the "scaring people away" argument. This video's intended demographic, while it does include (and focuses on) people that are not very familiar with either the game or the techniques used by the pros to gain time (speedslide, gear control, choice of line to maximise speed/cut airtime/allow for an optimal jump), is actually people that are already familiar with speedrunning, and know how precise and difficult it actually is. The point of the video is to show someone that is already knowledgeable about another game's speedrunning WHY Trackmania isn't just another racing game, and that it is, as Jnic himself pointed out, a "precision hellscape" for those that hunt the fastest times. Someone that knows all about the techniques used in a 0-star run in SM64 wouldn't bat an eye to "calculating the angle from some weird overlap". Some viewers may get turned off the game, sure, but i'd argue they weren't part of the people Jnic had in mind while making this video. Going onto Speedsliding as a mechanic is another argument entirely. I do agree, as @sunderkeenin put it, that it's not tutorialized properly. However, this isn't to say Nadeo ignores it or pretends it doesn't exist. I've noticed that, in every campaign, there are tracks designed to let players know about certain mechanics, either by making it so the player WILL do it naturally by themselves, or by directly showing how much faster one can be if they use it. Of course, some of the tracks fail at both, making it so an experienced player has an easier time using the techniques while the new player cannot fathom how the WR or the Author medal is so much faster than his own PB. The two examples that immediately came to mind from this campaign are 03 and 23, with maybe more that i'm just forgetting. 23 teaches the player how to bugslide. The player starts and immediately goes down an ice ramp, which ices their tires. Then, he goes through a "No-Grip" block, followed immediately by a 180º left turn on dirt. The reaction is of course to full-steer to the left, and following the assumption that the new player won't let go of the throttle, the car will immediately bugslide, giving a massive and extremely noticeable speedbost and a turning radius that is impossible on normal conditions. Just like that, 3 seconds after starting the map, the new player already knows the mechanic exists, what it does, and how he can trigger it. If he's spectating the Gold Medal Ghost, just a few seconds after he'll see what ice slides are, and with some experimentation understand how they work too. Of course, this doesn't teach the player that he can bugslide anywhere, provided he has enough speed and lands at a specific angle, but it gives a good enough explanation of "nogrip+tight angle+throttle=zoom". 03, unless i'm horribly mistaken, teaches players about the speedslide specifically. The start immediately puts the player at more than enough speed for one, and the bounce on the water both wets the tires and forces the player to keep the car straight, which will always put the car on a straight-line trajectory with a wall the second they land. Which in turn makes the new player turn to the left, and immediately slide out. With a few runs he'll figure out about counter-steering to cancel the slide, but the magic really happens when (either by chance or by looking at a ghost) he notices that holding *some* slide gives a huge speedboost. The second corner heavily implies this, not only by forcing the wet tires and some dirt, to help fine-tune the angle of the car when entering the corner, but by the exit of the corner itself. The penalty grass right in the middle of it makes the player choose. Either he makes a tight, noslide corner to reach the shortest path, or he can go into the long one, which he'll naturally go if he's sliding. Even if he's aiming for a no-slide run, every time he slides is a chance to notice how there's seemingly an intended line he can only take by holding a slide. And the third jump keeps this theme of having no grip when landing. Be it by chance, luck, or a very perceptive eye, the player will learn about speedslides while grinding 03. Does it teach the whole mechanic? Absolutely not, the game has no way of telling what angle to hold without explicitly showing it. The player is left to experiment and see what works, even if it's not optimal. But he'll know about it, how it works (very broadly) and how to do it. I hope Nadeo, whenever they get around to remaking the training campaign, make these mechanics more transparent to new players, as this way of "teaching" is very far from ideal. I went on a rant :V very sorry, didn't notice how long i kept it going for. I'm not a pro player by any means, far from it, but i'm very familiar with all the techniques the pros use, and constantly try to learn and implement them on my runs. So I always notice whenever a map is nudging me to do something specific.

Ah, a thing that i didn't make obvious is *how* the player would figure out the "tires overlap" part of the slide. On the first corner, too much slide and he'll miss the checkpoint. The line naturally pushes the player into holding very little to no angle during the slide. The second one also forces this, to be able to hit the long path on the exit, and the third jump even more so, as the player doesn't have enough space to reliably recover grip and turn towards the finish before hitting the wall (assuming high speeds). He has to hold just barely enough angle to point the car to the finish, but not too much that he slides out and loses speed.

Airbrake took a while to discover initially idk if it’s intended