Thanks so much for the continued support.

Probably due to energy density, lifepo4 is fine and can oftentimes be more cost-effective, but they are heavier and take up more space.

They are LiFePo4. We use Lithium Ion interchangeably.

Hi thanks for the question, our X3 is not sold as a stand alone product, it is only available with our production vans.

It is programmed into the individual components, requires Victron diagnostic software.

@@TitanVans I don’t believe the Orion products can have anything other than charge profile changed, but maybe I need to dig further.

@@adamsherman they have a few more options than that. Much of the software logic is between the BMS and the Multiplus. We use analog logic to trigger and control the Orions past their software capabilities.

@@TitanVans I was wondering about the analog logic without seeing anything plugged into their control terminals.

We have been installing the X3 system in all our production vans for the last three years and have had amazing results and feedback from customers. It has proven to be incredibly reliable and durable.

Thanks for your thoughts. Though, that does not account for the low voltage battery recovery which is why we have one of the Orions. The other Orion allows for the DC system to be fully functional until the battery temperature rises. Adding a heating pad triggered off the alternator/temp sensor would then require waiting for the batteries to warm and then recharge them for the system to re-enable. That is if they would even accept a charge in the event thw voltage ia so low that the BMS is not enabled. We habe tested many systems and used the CerboGX in the past.

@@TitanVans This doesn't make sense. I don't use Victron's BMS or their lithium batteries so maybe i'm missing something. Are you saying if the load side has plenty of voltage and is set to charge the batteries through the MP or wakespeed or solar the BMS won't take this power unless the battery is charged? If so then why do you have a 120v to 12v charger on the load side? it won't work and is pointless... Regardless the batteries shouldn't take long to warm up, we're talking a few minutes. The wakespeed on the 2nd alternator would be on the system side with solar and everything else, so there'd be 12vpower to run everything including charging the battery and running the heater pads, just like a 60 second delay so the engine can warm up before additional load. This gives them 200amps or however much that 2nd alternator has the entire time to heat the pads, run everything and still charge the batteries. BTW wakespeed integrates with VE.CAN with the CerboGX so it'll tell Victron equipment what its doing ,where the power's coming from, and any issues. All this not only the customer can see but YOU can too remotely to assist with issues.

@@justinmorgan-ww1im If the batteries get discharged too far due to parasitic draws like the inverter and BMV (which connect directly to the batteries (bypassing the BMS) then regardless of temperature the batteries can not be charged without potentially damaging them. Li ion batteries require a minumum voltage to ensure they can properly equalize each cell. Cells becoming unballanced is the main failure point of these types of batteries. You are correct that the alternator is connected to the charge side like the solar but the charge stud is isolated from the load stud and the battery stud, so if the voltage is too low (or high) or the temperature of the batteries is too low (or hot) the voltage and current output from the alternator or solar can not connect to the load side. Also, the batteries have an insulative case which depending on what temperature your batteries are at (we hit -17F last winter) we have seen it take 45-90min for batteries to get back up above 32F and allow charging. Our system makes it easy for customers to recover the system while getting power back to run their heater, lights, chargers, etc and not have to take additional steps.

@@TitanVans WHAT??? You're connecting the solar MPPT to the alternator/starter battery? This makes zero sense because thats your starter voltages not lithium. It should be on the System + side along with the MP and everything else. All Victron and Wakespeed have lithium charging profiles so will charge even a dead lithium battery with correct voltage to protect the batteries. You're implying that one device can charge drained batteries while another Victron device can't... This BMS only allows 200amps MAX so having 400amps alternator doesn't help anyways, and the alternator port only allows 100amps 🙄 45-90minutes with 1 heater so 15-30 with 3, one on every input. The cells should be equalized and balanced by the BMS then balanced again once they reach 100SoC. It makes zero sense. Your customers would be able to recover and get power back on with a wakespeed ws500 and dedicated alternator instantly when the van it turned on, it'll apply loads and when the battery is up to temp will start charging the battery properly. Also where are you plugging in your 120V to 12V charger into, the alternator or system side? And how exactly is this charging any differently than the MP? Does it have a separate plug on the van or are they just tied to the same shore outlet? I'm assuming its only role is to provide 12V so the MP can turn on and charge the capacitors. Why just why would you spend all this money on dump over complicated devices that are inefficient and not spend the $217 on a cerboGX-S at least which is the whole point in going victron? I love victron gear but their batteries are overpriced and the BMS is trash. You're stuck at 200amps MAX

@@justinmorgan-ww1im @justinmorgan-ww1im @justinmorgan-ww1im No not quite right. We are connecting the mppt output to the charge stud on the BMS. All charging has to pass through the charging terminal on the BMS to ensure that the circuit can be open if the BMS dictates. To recover a Li ion battery that is extemely low voltage requires a pulse width modulated signal not just the right voltage, the Orion as well as the Multiplus have this option and is why they are needed. We have first hand experience with systems that will not charge even during summer from alternator or solar. If the battery is such low voltage that the BMS is not operational then no charging can happen and no equalization can happen. Parasitic draws as mentioned previously is one of the real world examples of where other systems can fail. The 120v to 12v power supply is shown in the video and connect to the load side not the charging side. With a second alternator we add an additional relay controlles by the BMS that allows 400A of charging direct to the batteries. While your right the BMS can only handle a max of 200A this is typically limites by the factory alternator since they are not designed for Li ion batteries and can burn up. The second alternators with higher output we utilize the Balmar regulator. Each part we have in the system was added after testing and designing for 1000's of hours and with 100's of systems in place it has proven itaelf again and again.

We have been installing our X3 system for the last 3 years in all our production vans. The X3 is one of the only systems with built in backup power supplies and on board recovery. This is what makes it so reliable.

@@TitanVans It is not the same to claim that your system is reliable than claiming that it is "the most reliable". You describe an advanced system with lots of features and seem to believe that the more "blue Victron gear" you install, the more reliable it gets. Added complexity adds additional failure modes. Only time will tell, provided you sell enough of them, if they are reliable and possibly indeed "the most reliable".

@@gertvanspijker9189 That is why we spent 1000's of hrs developing and testing the system. Having installed 100's of these systems over the last three years the results have been outstanding.

@@TitanVans And you are the only ones to do that? If you claim that your product is "the most reliable" you need to back your claim up with comparison data, which you do not seem to have. My issue is just with the title of your video, I have no doubt, or reason to believe otherwise, that you sell quality camper vans.