Love the positive variance reference. Awesome hand.

This is probably the one tell I consciously try not to give off. Whenever I am betting the river or jamming at any point, I force myself to take about 15 seconds to pretend I am thinking. Doug polk had a good video about how he called an Isildur snap jam because most of Isildurs value range would at least need a few seconds of thought.

Thank you so much!!! Literally 1 hour after watching this video I was in a 1/3nl game and was put in almost the exact same position only the villain had KJdd And snap raised all in, this video literally made me money within an hour of watching it.

This works both ways. I have been in villain's position with 8's full or 7's full and snap shoved against more experienced players as a reverse tell. They see it as a bluff and call. It really is opponent dependent as you say. If it's a less experienced player I would call every time on that runout.

The most reliable tell in live poker is when someone moans or breathes in frustration when you bet on the river and then raises you.

Bart is by far better than any other in making educational content

100% agree, have seen it. To add I see many recs betting instantaneously when the bottom card or middle card pairs as a bluff. I see this often.

Coming back to this video today. It’s an incredible call on the river. You make it sounds and seem easy but heck of a call.

I never snap call, jam, or fold. Give everything at least a little thought, even 5 seconds, and it's one less tell to worry about.

Funny thing about this video is that in my games the snap shove means they are really strong and they don’t even think about bet size they just try to extract max by shipping it

Excellent narrative. Tight, crisp and educational. Thank you.

You need to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information.

That's interesting. I would have thought his quick action would indicate the 8 had hit a set for him, possibly a boat. Always learning something new for this rookie.

Love watching you play. I used to be such a nit. I've loosened up a lot playing the 70% type model. Sometimes I worry about playing too tight still until I watch you play. Tight is good.

As a poker dealer, it's super easy to practice looking for live play tells without any risk of losing money. Never stare at a player as the dealer, but you can still see the tells without crossing the line. LOVE your channel btw.

Probably the most insightful video I've seen on this channel so far. Thanks so much for your content! I'm learning a lot!

That's all well and good in theory but the fact of the matter is that bad players don't even think about the process like the better ones.

I was in this exact spot like a year ago and he snapped all in and I called based on the tell and got showed the nuts. I hate poker. Let's go back to 2000 poker: Player: All in Opponent: Well if you have a better hand than me you win, I call. Or just have everyone play like Phil Hellmuth. Then poker would be alright.

Without the live tell, I would’ve folded thinking that he’s only going to raise pre-flop 7X with some kind of ace king type holding and then getting counterfeit on the river. I probably would’ve folded, but having this information you can see it’s pretty obvious and I guess given the equity you have to think of all the hand combinations you’re winning 33% of them as you said great information I actually like these almost better where it’s from your point of view, especially this where something negative happens on the river

I definitely have had a fair amount of rec players snap shove river on me when checked to. Yes a good amount have been bluffs but quite a few have hit their draw or improved somehow on the river. On this particular board with your hand not blocking any draws and also blocking hands that beat you I do like a call here. Nice analysis as always 👍

NH Sir. A few details are missing that I'm curious about. Is the villain drinking? If so how much has he had to drink? Does he know who you are? Also, is there any history between the two of you that aided your decision to call a pot size bet with a hand that can virtually only beat a bluff?

That’s definitely a common tell and it is a polarizing bet when someone insta-shoves. I have seen it just as often the other way however where they have the nuts. I actually see other tells including bet sizing tells that are more reliable and more common than this. (And I play in Austin, TX for what it’s worth)

Well what if they had the nuts or close to the nuts and didnt have to think?

If I ever got Bart's phone number then this "please" at 9:26 would be the ringtone ... I realize this will never happen, but a guy can dream right?

Great analysis, I have seen a similar scenario before.

The best is taking the same amount of time each time the action is on you. Unless you’re just snap folding garbage of course. Any call or raise you make, keep your time 10-15 seconds or so, making it impossible for your opponent to get a timing tell on you

I feel like almost any rec play snap shoves the river here with zero concern of losing. So...this isn't really all that helpful.

Had AQ 2 pair on the flop in 2-5 last night, made it 60$ pre flop both times, lost to trip 5’s on the flop both times, lost it all. Talk about tilt

Like deer staring at headlights. Bart's got them rec players in his sights.

Slow action also is a good tell that its a bluff. When someone jams or bets big on the river after taking a considerably long time, and judging by the type the hand he's trying to represent, you can tell that a person is bluffing because there was no need for them to take a longer than usual time to think about their supposedly "big hand". You have to also consider the type of the hand being represented, so it doesn't apply in all situations.

The conclusion to the video was very interesting indeed. Thanks again, - DONK2

Do you think people who have the nuts also move in fast because they’re excited? Some times it’s hard to tell if it’s a bluff or value bet

Very cool Bart. A lot of my friends at home games snap bet or snap jam the river when they hit what they were chasing so this is tough against very rec players but i def agree that regs and pros think a bit before value betting rivers

Bart's point @4:33 about taking the betting lead for value at $1/3 is so true. Bart's commentary seems geared towards tougher games with monster stacks where "taking the lead", or just "betting large" isn't usually optimal.

If i know someone is bluffing and i have a bluff catcher. i will either check or bet like i am nervous basically i give a tell on purpose to draw them in 9 out of ten times it works a treat

This raises my poker IQ - detecting foolhardy behavior when there’s enough complexity you need to think. I know I am improving because now I can at least completely understand your breakdown.

This happened to me exactly last night, and I knew what you were going to say before the end of the video.

If the villain is a casual rec player, and he did have AK... once the A came on the turn and he bet and you called, I would think a rec player would reasonably snap-jam any river that wasn't a diamond if he was an aggressive type player. Because like you said the rec players don't value bet enough and tend to jam instead without thinking about the bet.

Interesting hand. Nice read. If villain is a solid player I'm reading the hand as you did. But describing him as very much recreational I assumed he had a painted A. Informative stuff. Thanks

His range is polarized and you are getting 2:1. Seems like a call even without the timing tell. Also, "strong when weak, and weak when strong" with rec players.

Unfortunately good players know this about pacing. I got snap raised all in just the other day when the flush came in and he had the nut flush. Admittedly that situation required less thought from him, but he did use pacing to induce a call from me.

What about 78 for a boat or 88 for quads. I dont think villain always jams over a check-raise on turn there. 88, although unlikely, may be trapping in hope of a safe river, while 78 is probably does a bit trapping and bluff catching. Maybe the combos of these hands are insignificant when stacked against bluff combos, but villain can def auto-jam with the nuts, no? Agreed, a thinking player would think and try to gauge max value, but bad players can also show up with nuts...

positive variance?

As others say, some players at this level are soooo bad they will snap shove with the (effective) nuts. But that seems pretty rare. Bart, you say that people will hesitate a bit in order to think about how to max value. A good player would definitely do that, but I think many players at this level aren't that good. But many players aren't that good but are good enough (which isn't very good at all) to know that when they have the nuts they need to convince the other player they aren't strong, so they will hesitate to try to convince you that they're weak. So this is another reason to call: a not-so-good player snap shoving is a sign they are trying to convince you they are strong, which means they aren't. Does this sound right?

imma use this as a reverse tell thx

In statistics, variance is the squared difference between the outcome and the expectation... positive and negative really don't apply. You can increase and decrease variance though. I get what you are trying to say though

This video was gold! Thanks Bart!

At my tournament last Friday the guy snap went all in on the river and I had the third nuts I folded because he snapped All In if he would have thought about it for a minute I probably would have called... he had the nut flush

Surely TCN fee charges makes the game sooo much cheaper. Makes me wish there was a TCH in London! Ty for all your content and analysis. You have done more than most to give top quality free live cash content for 17 years and counting!

When someone is this bad playing a story that makes no sense (e.g. he would have thought about raising the turn with a set or 2 pairs and thought about the river all in), I'd like to take a few more seconds to get a 2nd "confirmation read" on the river. Probably 90% of the time, I would go with my first read and wouldn't be able to get away from that read but the 2nd read/nonread could let you know if he's capable of being deceptive enough to play AK, set, 2 pairs that boated up in the same fashion. He showed weakness on the turn, showed extreme strength on the river all in. What kind of strength did he showed when he said all in or pushed his chips in? What kind of strength did he show while you decide what to do on the river. This is all pretty important.

My only question is do most 1/2 or 1/3 players think like that? I never play either game but I can’t stand playing 2/5 (which I used to jump in while waiting for 5/10 or 10/25 games to go). I give people too much credit and I can’t play right (mostly because they aren’t playing the way I expect them to and I can’t put them on a range nor do I fold certain hands for the amount of money bet). Many of those lower game players don’t understand position, kickers, proper bet sizing or calling ranges. Granted Im talking about years ago (when I was playing full time) and to their credit, people play much better and much different now but also because of all of the poker instruction available. I think all games have better players in them than 20 years ago. I just question my understanding of the 1/2 or 1/3 players which are the lowest buy in games in most casinos and them playing a way in which I can put them on hands. They are also almost always recreational players. They may be decent recreational players and I’m not saying anything bad about that but it’s rare to get pros in those games unless it’s a live stream (with most other players being solid) or because they are waiting for a table to open. They also have meet up games now so maybe in that too.

Interesting. I think people snap jam with the nuts too, so maybe it’s polarizing, and in this case he most likely didn’t have the nuts.

I like your commentary. I tend to think similarly.

Really fascinating video

V would target A and value bet with any decent holding. Snap jam targets nothing. Very few players even know what an over-bet is. Easy call.

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Amazing read.... had the J9dd done a bit of chip dance and squint his eyes for a bit and then jammed, maybe Hart Banson folds?

Very good read

Love your play. What about a small blocker bet on the river ?

Very good video. Great breakdown as to why this tell is polarizing in a hand like this.

Question! Could you In this situation, use a blocking bet river as $65-95? Would it be a good move to deny equity to AQ , AK and make sure the draws wouldn’t bluff you? Thanks

Great content! 😎😎

This is a sick hand

Great read!

Same exact thing just happened to me in a 1-2 game I was in while waiting for a 2-5 seat. He bet the river super fast in a situation where thought would be required 109% of the time, it smelled wrong and I called with bottom pair. He was pissed and the table was dumbfounded. Coincidentally the previous hand I folded top pair on the river to a relatively small bet, they thought I was nots, but to a thinking player they were standard plays. Sometimes it’s fun to play down and see just how (level 1) 1-2 or 1-3 plays.

Maybe he has 77, diamonds, 8, u can’t have an 8 here. If he waits 20 secs and bets u fold?

I want to try this reversed. Shove instantly when holding the nuts

Super informative vlogs, Sir. Thank you so much.

i actually had villain on a KQ/KJdd. i believe i mentioned it on another of ur vids about small stakes quick jams n them being bluff heavy. the villains long pause on the turn smelled like a flush draw, too. i do look 4 quick river jams. if i have trip 8s, i bet $250 75% of the time looking 4 value. Grt hand n call.

Bart: "Y'know, I put up hands and shit like that." Funny.

Excellent content.

Love the video thanks for the content

Good tip and well explained.

As usual, I learned something from this video 👍👍

I played a hand last week when the flop came all diamonds and I hit a set of 3’s by I bet 10 into a limped pot and get instantly raised to 25 on A36 of diamonds Alarm went of for a moment because of how fast he raised. Turn black king I check he bets 40 I call river he instantly shoved his last $120. I beat all AK hands and call. He shows 47 of diamonds. This tell didn’t work for me.

Completely agree, especially at these stakes

This can go either way though. You just happened to be right this time. In low stakes a lot of the times people don't bluff on the river. Especially when they snap move all in it can show a lot of strength. Tbh I think this is a losing call 8/10 times

Do you guys think this is also a tell online? I've made hero calls when people insta bet pot. Just curious to anyone's thoughts on online betting pace

Would you have called with KQ?

really good video - thanks

Great video subscribed

Very nice video. I have one question, did you ever put him on 8? Or did you erase that because he opened to $20.

could pocket 7s snap move all-in after the river?

Wow what a scientist. How do you do it? Unbelievable.

If there is no rake a texas card house how do they make money? Do they charge an entrance fee?

Reaching for high value chips then betting less?

If I am in that spot on the river, I put the villain on QQ or KK. It seems like an easy call.

Great content. Thank you

Great hand Bart!

Absolutely gotta agree here

You ended up being right, and statistically you probably are right but it does look like exactly how I would play A-8.

I tip the dealer before the hand starts when I bluff the river .

What if a 10 comes on the river? Maybe I missed it. What did you think he had?

The Sherbinski of poker!

What if the 10 of clubs comes on the river and he snap jams

Nice review.

nice to see more "avg Joe" level play.. by that i mean lower stakes. i would love to try higher stakes, but the bankroll/real world, doesnt allow for it. and the play i have come across at the low stakes - $1-2, $1-3, $2-5.. i prefer tourneys, but, when tourneys arent panning out, i jump on cash games.. usually i have either a good cash game run, and crappy tourney results, or good tourney results and crappy cash game runs.. i spend more time in one or the other, depending on how things are "running". enjoyable to see hands and stakes against players i would typically face.

Shit like that!! Hahaha. Nice one Bart

Bet pacing lol, that’s not a tell, they could do that with anything

Can someone summarize this tell pattern, please?