People just need to stop imagine how the idols feel you know being friends with each other and all.

i never understood when people (especially 2nd gen stans) would say “i missed when kpop was peaceful and every fandom got along” when that is a huge lie. fanwars have always been a part of the kpop community. atp i’d even say that it’s normalized which is sad, but at the same time, nobody cares enough to put a stop to it or call it out. you’d think that after all these years of going back and forth, people would get tired of constantly fighting damn near everyday but i get the feeling that the majority of kpop stans find entertainment in fanwars which is why it isn’t going to stop anytime soon. some y’all will sit on your devices all day just commenting or tweeting hate towards a group or idol just to purposely argue with people and it’s weird af. but the crazy thing is, a fanwar could start from the most harmless comment ever. someone could say “that hairstyle doesn’t suit xyz” and then all of a sudden you’ve got hundreds of people getting mad and trying to call your fave ugly then BOOM, before you know it a fanwar starts. now i’ve seen instances where fanwars have started for good reasons. such as falsely accusing an idol for something that we know for a fact they would never do, body shaming, making fun of mental health/death, etc. those types of things are crossing the line and whatever fandom condemns it (which lets be real, a lot of them do) they deserve to be dragged imo. but for all the unnecessary things y’all argue about like clothes, awards, looks, etc,…all that needs to end asap.

This is why I was so thankful to kdreamzens who kept their lightsticks on and cheered for every group at this year's dream concert. Majority of the audience was nctzens but there were loud cheers for everyone. Knowing how bad these fanwars used to be it was great to see the fandom supporting everyone Shoutout to jaemin who told them on bubble to support all the other artists as well!!

As someone who is both a blink and a once, I reaaaaaally hate how much so many "fans" start fights. The idols obviously don't like that, they are friends afterall.

To see Girls Generation and their fans endure so much hate IMMEDIATELY even as rookies is so fucking heartbreaking but also inspiring when I think about how revolutionary they became in spite of it all. It really gives me hope for aespa who are going through something similar to their big sister group.

Fanwars just don't makes any sence anymore, let's let idols live normal life, We don't need to fight each-other, let's support each-other instead! Let's be basties fandoms! No matter which fandom are you, let's be friends!

fan wars are just stupid. idols are friends and im sure they respect each other even though they are not friends.

Now Girls Generation are legends of legends. Love em! 💖💞

Shout-out to k nctzens/dreamzen for keeping their lightstick on thru everyone performance, even singing along,some fan chants and also sweetheart jaemin saying on.bubble to support everyone at the past dream concert 🥰💚 was a beautiful and fun time watching

This is the reason why they deserve every success in their career. Girls' Generation faced so much hardship and criticism when they debuted. I am just so proud that they took their experience and made it into an encouragement to strive harder. They worked so hard into becoming the artists that they are now. They didn't just built a successful career, they made a legacy and that legacy will forever live on. Girls' Generation is not just a kpop group, they are the representation of empowered women. They built a generation for girls. They paved so many ways and opened so many doors for girl groups. They are not just artists, they are a legendary group of girls who inspires and encourages so many young and upcoming idols. They are passionate and they love what they do, that is why they are successful. I am so happy that after all these years they are still relevant and impactful. 15 years into their careers and they are still well respected and still popular. GIRLS' GENERATION is the BEST GIRL GROUP to ever exist.

Speaking about fanwars I immediately have to think about the fanwar between H.O.T and Sechskies fans. That was wild.

The way that all 3 of these artists are from the SAME AGENCY and are most likely friends with eachother, imagine how they felt :(

There was a thing called 'SNSD curse' where idols of fandoms that dissed SNSD back then had their bias fell into scandals like group breaking up, drunk and driving, fell into obscurity, etc. Not just those involved in the black ocean, but also other groups and fandoms that existed afterwards.

I feel like its 99% these people's fault. and they need therapy. because being obsessed with a stranger, engaging in fanwars and wishing horrible things for person you don't even know - this is definitely not normal. and it's also 1% idols fault if they are the type to say things like "I am not gonna get married. i already have you(fans)" "my girlfriend ? my fans." "don't get married, you have us" "You guys are my everything. I know you will protect me forever " such shit. basically actively feeding into their delusions. I hate such Idols with all my heart.

Those are the consequences of not having a real life 🤦🏾‍♀️

These people are just truly disgusting, the saddest part is that they're mostly "adults", like grow up

I come from 2nd Gen and followed Big Name and Small Name Girl Groups around that time. I will not forget the crazy Fanwar between Dal Shabet and B1A4 Fans where Police had to get involved. Fanwars existed in 2nd Gen but it didnt blow up until 3rd Gen. SNSD was asked what they thought about 3rd Gen now that Kpop has become a battlefield, and they answered very diplomatically. I returned to Kpop recently so I missed 3rd Gen, and I was amazed at the amount of hate and fighting that is occurring. I once wrote "Rose is a great singer", and then some Blink replied "Its Rosé or Rosie, get it right next time B***H!" I was like "wow ok psycho", but you see and feel that everywhere. Girls Generation used to interact with Boy Groups from different Agencies all the time, but now Idols cant even be near each other without someone trying to start something. Its very unfortunate. Kpop got bigger, but Fandoms seem to be getting worse.

fanwars are the reason why people believe that kpop fans are weird and obsessive

this is why I'll always be thankful for mature and respectful fans. there are also those who cheer for every group or change their lightstick color to match the color of the group performing and it is so cute💕

Honestly, Girl's Generation are frickin soldiers! Despite of the disgusting behaviour from the haters, the girls still put on a great performance and are now one of the greatest senior girl groups as we speak. So yeah, SUCK IT HATERS!!

It makes me want to cry to think ROOKIES had to go through that. People are so cruel

Bro why do yall start fanwars for no reason its just so sad…

For all of you fangirl and fan boy out there : ""LET YOUR IDOL DATE AND GET MARRIED WHOEVER THEY WANT!!!""

Still remembered few of my classmate who is a huge fan of SS501 said she hate Tiffany just because she talking to hyunjoong and accused her trying to seduced him in one of variety show. Fanwars are so ridiculous

And this is why idols rarely interact with each other in public these days

I wish I was there. I’d be screaming my voice hoarse in support of SNSD. I love them. And while I am a multiple fandom person, I love all groups and support any group; regardless of whether or not I listen to them

As a casual listener I don’t understand the fan wars like it’s a lot of double standard and it gets annoying kinda why I haven’t gotten more into kpop. I wish idols/ groups or companies would speak out about it or try to minimize it. A lot of fans want kpop exposure in foreign shows/concerts but only as long as it’s their favorite which I feel like it only slow things down

As an international ELF who didn't really interact with other fans, this is the first time I'm hearing this and I'm quite shocked.

I really wish fanwars didn’t exist 😭 especially the one between snsd and super junior and also the one between bts and blackpink too :(

Fanwars is stupid. There's also the debate of K-pop Vs J-pop. I love both K-pop and J-pop and it pains me when some people that likes K-pop say trash about J-pop and vice-versa. You can love some music / group without belittling other kind of music / groups.

It wasn't only Super Junior and DBSK fans. Another group that was huge during that period was SS501 and their fans (Triple S) took part in the boycott. Together, the 3 fandoms were called CARTEL. During 2nd gen, groups appeared on variety shows together, which was how SS501 and SNSD members were seen 'together' even though they aren't from the same company like SJ and DBSK. And during then, sometimes members were asked to choose who was their 'fav' from the other group, leading to more jealousy.

I remember witnessing the fan war between ELF and Sone as many of my friends were participating in the online war themselves (we were all outside of Korea, this is to describe how big Kpop became in 2009 as fans from other countries also participate in the war). There were crazy fans on both sides, so the fan war was brutal. It's still ongoing now, just in a smaller scale. I was/have been a fan of both groups so it was very hard to watch, especially they are bandmates in the same company.

It will only get worse if the authorities or/and the companies doesn’t do anything about this. Honestly sometimes I think that the companies just do whatever the fans want and not what the idols want. The thing is that they don’t even take a lesson of all the idols that committed suicide too. People don’t realise how dark the K-pop industry is, it would look all glittery, shiny and beautiful on one side but when you look from the other side it is just plain inhuman, all the pain, suffering and constantly forcing yourself to fit a certain standard etc.

You see,these “fans” were jealous/scared because they KNEW these amazingly talented girls would definitely be successful . I hate people like this. And the fact that this is continuing till this day when these apparent fans bully rookie groups

You know you should cheer for every band no matter who they are or if your a fan of them. It’s called common courtesy like cmon. Now all those haters can shove it because Girls Generation is now legendary and nothing can change that.

Why is it always the toxic ones that goes to the concerts to promote such disgusting behaviors. When I got into SNSD they were already so popular and I loved all the interactions they had with DBSK and SuJu. I had no idea fan wars was even a thing honestly I just watched them and assume everyone was cool with each other.

I think the friendship between girls generation and super junior is heartwarming I don’t understand why this had to happen

Yall, SNSD was so hated to the point there were official INTERNATIONAL anti SNSD forums in 2009

Now its kpop twt vs mys this is Worse tbh

The worst thing of all this is that Suju and TVXQ were very close friend of SNSD, there are so many videos of them together and talking about their trainees days. Its so sad

Videos of the black ocean are one of my most vivid memories as a new fan in 2008. Hate for SNSD was intense. People brought up the black ocean even years after as one of the fandom's most painful memories. Looking back, I don't know how SNSD got past all that hate unscathed because it was so much. I'm still a sone and I'm so proud of SNSD's success. I still see them as the nations gg and I don't think that'll ever change 💕

The tito and tita’s Sones and Blackjacks 😂 The Yin&Yang of KPop GG. Both Queens. Iconic fanwar. BUT look at them now laughing and giggling reminscing the nostalgic golden days of kpop. Both fandoms are proud of the achievement and contribution of the girls to the KPop.

A black ocean is genuinely one of the most heartbreaking things in kpop. You have to be vile to participate in it. I’ve been to kcon and other kpop concerts and I have, and always will, waved my lightstick for every single performer. Even if I didn’t like them. Because at the end of the day, I don’t have to like but I do have to respect them. Turning off your lightstick is huge disrespect. If you’re a kpop stan you KNOW what all of these groups have to go through to get to where they are. They all deserve a bright ocean.

Damn ELFs are absolutely THE WORST and one of the most toxic fandoms ever!!!! I started stanning SuJu back in 2009 and they were the 1st Kpop group I've loved. However, over the time I started to realize how ridiculous, disrespectful and immature the fandom truly is and I left the whole fandom all together. I vividly remember back in 2010 there were at least 20 pages on FB that I only knew off dedicated to photo-shopping the most horrible pics of SNSD members. Calling them horrendous names and one of the pages was named "Antis of the 9 COWS" !!!! And when Suju and snsd made commercials together for the brand SPAO elfs went CRAAAAZYYYYY with their hate and horrible comments. They were also fighting basically any other fandom that comes their way. They had fanwars with VIPs and Hottests (2pm fans), but the biggest one was with EXOLs I remember when EXO first debuted ELFs arranged events in specific times to go leave hate comments on EXO teasers and vids. Saying that EXO copied Suju's concept (which is absolutely ridiculous and SO NOT TRUE ... DUH), and they even went to the point to being extremely happuly and festive when Kris left EXO and they were basically praying for EXO disbanding. I couldn't handle all the hate and meanness in that horrible fandom and I stopped stanning Suju all together in 2014. O now when people say things like "Oh I miss the 2nd gen days when there were no fanwars" I be like YEAH RIGGGGHT !!!

I am so glad that this stupid concert did nothing to hurt their career, Girls Generation will forever remain as the most influential kpop girl group, having one of the most successful runs ever. They opened so many doors for so many kpop acts and all of its 9 members were exceptional performers and artists. I will always love and support them

I can't believe two of my many favourite K-Pop acts went through this!! Also the WORST K-Pop fanwar ever was HOT vs SechSkies

Also one of the memorable one is the war between Sechskies and H.O.T. one which is the fear of award shows back then.

4th gen fanwars got nothing on 2nd gen fanwars, wow. all we do is argue on twitter meanwhile 2nd gen fans went out of their way to humiliate not only the fans but the artist💀 I don't mean this as if i want the same thing ofc but this is just so merciless

BLACK OCEAN will always be part of SNSD's SUCCESS.

It's SNSD's power, influence, and legacy, for me. They were born to be legends. All 9 of them.

I'm pretty sure it didn't stop in Dream Concert. I remember SNSD members talked about performing in SMTOWN and when they were performing, it wasn't a black ocean but red & blue fans (TVXQ and Super Junior) used their lightstick and formed an "X" while SNSD were performing. I think it was on the same year as the Dream Concert.

I stan both groups but fanwars need to stop! As a multistan it actually hurts me to see people fight for NO reason

EXO-ls Vs Army It’s also another big fanwar

This is ridiculous. Over some Kpop stars. 💀 They’re people… just like us.

I feel so bad for idols having to go through this, fanwars are so childish

As sad as this is, this is why I don't interact much with fans. I prefer to sit on the side and watch. Fanwars are so normalized now that it's even more difficult to stop. But you can't tell the fans that, oh no, you're wrong.

Well i was kinda tearing up when i saw the black ocean cz it was ridiculous and sad at the same time ,Anyways lets make them forget that terrible past by supporting them in their comeback no matter what💗

midzys and mys are fighting like crazy rn

That's the main reason why idols after 2nd gen there are no longer interactions they are humans afterall at least respect them... I miss the interactions so much

Super junior and Girls generation are literally brother and sister groups.

I remembers how huge the fan wars were between Super Junior and SNSD. There are still fans that say SNSD stole the golden disk daesang away from SJ, and that SM had paid for them to win despite the public number of album sales.

It’s saddening how fan wars happen between groups who are probably friends and they try to say “this group is better than this group” etc.. like CANT these people just stop? It’s getting annoying all these idols work their ass off to perform on stage :/

My girls are everything!✨ they are indeed Queens of Kpop✨

Fans fight Faves suffer Sad reality of kpop

2:14 That's not true. They didn't find out about it after their performance ended. You make so many things up, it's amazing the imagination you have. They have told this story over and over again. After their performance ended, the started realising what happened and they cried so much backstage

Just asking...why SNSD fans did not sit separately to avoid black ocean?? i mean, they can sit anywhere so that the light stick can be seen in the whole stadium even not much snsd fans.

this barerly compares to the H.O.T. and sechskies fanwar. Some fans had to be hospitalized back then. It was horrible

they need to understand that fandoms are made to love,support and protect their own artists not to hate,demotivate and attack others.

These day we have Sone (Fan of SNSD) and AFS (Anti-Fan of SNSD). Not just fans of SNSD have a name, antifans too. after BO if you don't have a strong heart, you can't get through it, you failed. I am really happy that our girl didn't stop, they get over it. It's make our girls and the fandom stronger. The girls comeback after a year with GEE, it's success than ever. That's our revenge. And now, 15th anniversary is coming. Good to see them together. Legend.

I’m from 2022 and I can say everyday in twitter it is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000x worse.

Had me at Big bang and every other group😂😂

So much hate for every fandoms never stopped until today, this kind of people are so mean and maybe not happy on their lives! Back then Girl Power doesnt exist... After this, GirlsGeneration turn tables and made themselves the Untouchables back then theyre the only one who Beat Boygroups and still have the longevity of their career(individually or group) until today. Of course i will support the frst group who made me fall in love wth Kpop., The OG Queens, Girls Generation 👍👑

H.o.t. Fanwars were between sechs kies and not god if i remember correctly. god only came into the timeline way later.

People should not compare other groups to other K-pop groups, because it honestly doesn’t matter what group you like… but it is important to understand, recognize, and respect the fact that not all people like the same group, and that is ok.

The sad part of kpop industry is their toxic fans…

After 9 years, they finally released their new song “Forever 1”. Haters who criticized them during girls generation’s nightmare concert should learn their lesson for accusing them for all the things they done during that time.

I felt bad for what happened to SNSD before, that was way too much. I've been a fan of them since 2009 and I'm glad that they made it. Now, they're a living Kpop legends! As a SONE, I'm always proud of you, my GIRLS' GENERATION! 💗

When ppl say fan wars are worse now….I’m like…no not even close its way calmed down now….still bad but nowhere near what second gen dealt with…

This is what stopped me from even being a kpop fan/Stan, the toxicity in the community shines BRIGHT and I just could not be apart of it. Some of these “fans” need to get a slap back to reality and to get a grip. I’m not out for those who genuinely like kpop and respect the idols, respect other people’s opinions, and aren’t obsessed stalkers who act like they are gonna date these idols even tho they aren’t, and don’t agree that kpop idols should not date and be skinny as a twig. Like I love kpop songs but the fact that this community can’t even be stable is just hard to stand with, and the fact these idols are real people just makes it worse as it’s not even fiction that we’re dealing with and people actually do get affected. 😐

its like some fans not all dont think that idols have feelings

I remember this so distinctly! The terrifying black ocean! That was my first true introduction to anti fans!

After all SNSD are called The Nation's Girls Group and im pretty sure this shut their mouth🔥

Bro as a multistan i never understood what is the point of fanwars, it's so alien to me

This is too much!people need to stop being toxic..

The fanwars should stop its really dangerous for fans and for idols too and idols dont even know that their fandome doing such things think about your fav idol if they find out about it they must going to hurt and snsd prove it that nothing is impossible and become successful bcz of their hard working but dream concert was really hearbreaking they dont deserve it at that time they were rookies and if they take it to heart then i think they get mentelly depressed but im happy they did well and show the haters what they can do and fanwars still happening and i really hope fans should stop fighting and just support their fav ones

I would protect Girls generation with all of my heart, I love them so much they cheered me up from stress depression.

Some of the new fans will never understand what it feels like to actually WITNESS these fan wars!! Today's fanwars are a little mild compared to back then but you know why I still like 2nd gen over the last 2 gens ?? Is that they didn't give a flying fuck what fans said about them loool Especially SNSD they were friends with EVERY boy group and didn't care AT ALL . They are famous , talented , classy and are still the most respected girl group to this day , that's why they're the standard 👏👏

“Idols aren’t your dolls to f*ck with”

It never ends! I've seen this in every fandom I've been into, and I've been into so few of them, but they never run out of toxic behaviors like this. I'm currently in one where the fans create fake Twitter accounts to bash a specific fan who was shown attention. They even go as far as sending DMs to hate on someone who won a competition or who was supporting the boys on Twitch with bits and subs. It's ridiculous! And this is in the same fandom! These "fans" are so selfish. They don't realize they're hurting the fandom and the people they supposedly support.

i remember my sister who is elf did fanwar with dbsk fandom, even tho they r idol in same company. Girls generation fandom also had same experience with their sunbae fandom. I mean if they r so ruthless to one another (same company) imagine how barbaric so called sm stan are when doing fanwar with another company idol fandom

I’m a fairly new kpop fan so I’d be honored to see all these artists live

as an international fan,k netizens are the most toxic fans in majority in kpop,,yes there international fans like that too but its extra much in k pop .

And SNSD surpassess all of them

Man, I hate people. I'm gonna go talk to my cat.

I feel like many fans, especially the more obsessed and ‘protective’ fans (even me at times honestly) get so mad over fanwars to the point where we start forgetting that ‘hey, they are actually friends behind the scenes, behind the cameras’ and we often forget that so often that it’s as if they and we are all enemies and I feel like this should change.

I always imagine that two idols are politely friendly to each other if they see each other around and that’s it. I don’t make assumptions about who’s friends with who and who’s enemies with who.

When Daphne & Celeste played at the Reading Festival in the UK, the audience threw bottles of urine at them. So there's that

And this is why nowadays girl groups and boy groups don't interact on camera as much

I am SO happy about what happened in the 2013 concert. at least SNSD can get the appreciation they finally deserved!

sometimes anti, hate, delusional, 'fanwar' thingy is just beyond comprehend, why can't them just like something without hating on another thing. I'm so glad that ppl around me who stan on a group never hate or doing anything stupid to group they do not stan.