Welcome back Sam and Tony!

Hi guys, regarding the fuel test, you ideally need to use Tony's M3 or another high performance turbo engine. The reason being these cars now have very sophisticated knock control, so they're always targetting the edge of knock (Tony would perhaps know it as "pinking") and then the car's DME is pulling the timing and / or boost so it runs just below the knock threshold. This allows the engine to be running as much power as it can on the fuel being used. If Tony is regularly using 95 RON fuel, then his car's DME will naturally just "tune" itself to this fuel and he will have become used to the drop in performance. Putting a higher grade fuel in will just allow the DME to run more ignition advance and / or more boost, giving a definite increase in performance. However, there is a caveat to this. He would only notice the increase / decrease if using the car regularly in WOT scenarios (Wide Open Throttle) where the engine is experiencing full load. Obviously just pottering around will mean that the DME won't be experiencing the kind of driving that warranted the knock control being activated. If you're interested in seeing the differences even in different manufacturer's high performance fuels , the test has already been done for you by Officially Gassed and you can watch that here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rpaWh6qSstGxgIk.html Keep up the good work.

In almost every case i have seen on a dyno we use in the UK, 99 fuel will give more power than 95, just like race fuel will give more power than 99. It's basic chemistry, the higher octane produces more energy. Tony also needs to educate himself on the proven cleaning properties in V-Power. Their is lots off independent test and data out there ( Evo once did an article).

Flippin hell ;) Excellent episode guys!

Great 👍 podcast guys. Looks like Tony had amazing time driving different super cars

Always such great content.

I’m so glad you guys do time stamps. Saves me listening to the waft

Keeping a similar look to a car really helps with residual value of previous car. Suddenly I want a previous gen cayenne as not many can tell the difference and saving £30/40k

The Lee collection is so impressive. Unlimited budget would do that

Always great to get back.

I had to rewind that 32:11 😂 Someone at McLaren must be punching the air right now giving out Zak Brown high fives!

Another great episode chaps! Welcome back to the old dart. (From Radelaide).

Love to here Tony perspective on the 765

Can't wait for the P1 video Sam!

Was great to see you both at YTG.

Nice, just in time after work.

Great vid guys - nice to have you back. I’m not as knowledgable as others in the comments but I believe using 3 different BMW 330i’s wouldn’t be a fair test. Isn’t every engine always going to be slightly different? That’s why when you get two identical cars on a rolling road they make different results. Use one car for the fuel test, drain the tank between fuels. My money would say V power or the equivalent 99 octane fuel will return higher mpg and bhp than a 95 octane fuel. I think the more tuned the engine, the more significant or noticeable the difference in octanes. Eg a one litre fiesta will see next to no difference but a 600 bhp tuned GTR will see substantial bhp increases with higher octanes - which the tune will maximise. Looking forward to you proving me wrong 👍

I ran a high performance diesel with the V-Power product. Yes it ran a little smoother and quieter than standard diesel. It also had a small amount of urgency when compared to standard diesel. Yes I did get a 2/3 more miles to the gallon but and it’s a big but all of that including the extra MPG never added up to the extra cost of the fuel when filling up. Does that make sense.

Amazing as always, could you compare prices between the UK and Europe, for used cars ?

Fuel - its about pre-detonation. Most stock tuned cars will be fine on either as its tuned to suit so Tony's right on not really being fussed on either. Tuned / mapped cars makes a big difference, especially on track

Best part of my week. Not sure if that's sad or...

The best podcast is back! 🎉

Glad Tony enjoyed that Black Series.

Tony is the man. Speaks sense.

Not sure what the score is with new McLarens, however surely extended service and warranty plans like Ferrari would inspire confidence, realistic warranty and service prices when manufacturers expires like Porsche would inspire further confidence

As an application developer we are always focusing on User Experience (UX) and User Interface (UI) design. Seems car manufacturers tend to ignore both areas and go for what looks good and rarely consider the function (nearly always form over function). Which to me is backwards. The one exception to this seems to be Gordon Murray. The T50 seems to hit every point bang on! There is no complication everything is functional and has a job to do. No gimmicks whatsoever. Other manufacturers could learn a lot from this master of his trade!

Love this! Where do I put my money for the btg 918? ❤

As far as the fuels...when it comes out of the refinery, whether it shell, bp or whatever, it all goes in the same storage tanks because they are all the same spec. But when they send that mixed fuel into their own tanks or trucks they put in the additives

It’s crazy how much different the UK market is to US, 296 is definitely not tanking here.

The McLaren would be an amazing story - do it Tony 🙌🏼

Cheers guys 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Hey guys, really love the content you provide. Please do not change the format of your live events... There might be people who do not like, but there are many that do!!! Regards from Spain, Reni 🍷🍷

Moores Law. Technology doubles every 2-3 years. There is never a ceiling. Production/ design is dependent on what the super-forming of materials will allow them to do. I think design at the moment in general is generating a paradigm shift. Next generation of electric design will probably be amazing.

I would be first in the queue if you guys did t-shirts with Tonys face on saying "It's a proper bit of kit!" 🤣

48:55 basically answered the question regarding design. All the R&D is currently in EV cars so the manufacturers dont focus that much on current/face lift designs

750 and 765 and Mclarens best new products. Artura still suffers all the Mclaren issues especially with the hybrid powertrain.

Your fuel test should be done on laps of the m25 for accuracy

That intro you two could almost be twin brothers.

I reckon significant design changes are seen less at the moment due to manufacturers trying to reduce costs. Especially now most are having to run design and production lines for both EV and ICE cars. Cars have to conform to many safety regs and there are only so many ways you can design a car and still adhere to those regs. I also agree with Tony, there are only so many ways to design something for optimal use. We’ve been refining car design for a long time, changes going forward will be incremental. Look at websites and mobile phones as examples. Websites pretty much look and behave the same now as we’ve refined the journey so much we’ve hit the optimal user experience. Mobile phones, we get a better processor and camera but the interface and hardware design hardly changes.

Having run different fuels over a couple of decades as the refinement has improved, my tests have always been counted back to costs. The car magazines, Choice magazine and of course ME, have all found that the 98 Octanes do get better fuel consumption. Many times tested, always the same result. But it costs more. End result, you still get better bang for your buck. The cost difference? 2 % everytime, 98 the winner. In manuals, I believe you get smoother pick up if you are in a gear too tall. There you go.

Channel 765 LT coming in soon. start of the STG collection

I forget which chanel I was whatching but some driver when driving the maclaren p1 and 765LT back to back said the LT was a better car ,more delicate and lighter feeling

@BehindTheGlass @STG - it’s not often I get frustrated listening to Sam attempt to discuss technicalities of cars, but when I do I feel compelled to comment (and also hope you bring a third presenter onto the show who can offer some different perspectives and knowledge). Anyway, 87, 89, 91, etc. are octane ratings. Octane is measurement to the degree a fuel RESISTS combustion. For example, diesel requires very high compression and heat to combust whereas gasoline is much lower. A higher octant allows you to ignite the fuel closer to when the piston is at Top Dead Centre (TDC) because it is more resistant to spontaneous combustion. This will translate into more power because the combustion will entirely be on the power phrase of the engine. Fuel with lower octane will ignite before TDC so its combustion is, in essence, working against the engine. This is why the same engine can have its timing adjusted manually (tuning) or automatically (knock sensors) to accommodate fuels with different octane ratings as well as produce different power outputs. It’s also necessary to understand fuels with lower octane actually have more energy than fuels with higher octanes. The energy is measured in British Thermal Units (BTUs). HOWEVER, ethanol (the represented by E in the name) has very high octane ratings (e.g., 109) which means it has less energy (BTUs) which means less power. THEREFORE you need to burn MORE FUEL with higher ethanol content. As an extreme, if you ran a vehicle on 100% ethanol (E100), it would consume ~30% MORE FUEL. So, in conclusion, Tony running the lowest ethanol content at an octane appropriate for the engine is the most powerful and fuel efficient.

Do you guys feel like the tdf is worth it’s pricetag

I have noticed a difference in fuel economy between e5 and e10 in my f type and that’s a 2014 car. On the other hand my Kia stinger from 2019 it didn’t really make that much difference.

Ask Matt Armstrong what happens when you put the wrong fuel in an RS6....

There's been quite a few studies done on Australian fuels - it's quietly acknowledged that we have some of the worst quality fuel here (compared to Europe). Probably explains the uproar in the comments last time around haha.

When it comes to stock cars fuel doesn't really make a difference, however when you're tuning a car fuel does matter

Vertical slats would do a lot to make the kidneyitis grilles look better

Lord Tony! Where have you been Sir?

Hilarious. How Tony forgets the amount of times he has said McLaren are absolute shit 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It is easy all McLaren Cars need to do to build proof of confidence in their products, is to offer free 5 to 8 year fully comprehensive Warranties with all new cars followed by another 4 year purchasable Warranty subject to condition as some of its main competitors do at a sensible price.

I think if i went into McLaren ownership id start with a 570s probably through someone like Thorney Motorsport & see how i went with that before id be gambling on something more expensive or new…very difficult for McLaren to change the perception of them even if the problems have been fixed..they should have been more careful with their reputation because once lost it’s incredibly difficult to come back from.

Mercedes don’t actually change there design 4-5 years The present c-class glc gle e-class s-class have kept similar designs since 2015

I say three identical cars and throw Paul Wallace a bone🤣

EV's are essentially designer milkfloats. You can dress it up however you want, its a milk float in a frock

Fuel spec, watch Matt Armstrong's video where he blew an hole in the cylinder wall due to Pinking from low octane fuel!

Prefer listening to this Tony instead of the Rate My Ride Tony

My i4 has Hans Zimmer sounds so the i5 isn't the first ;)

Fuels are manufactured to a British standard. And come from the same refineries. The additives are different. Aren’t the super fuels less green having lower bio content? Having used Shell V power (mainly when on offer!) saw minimal difference in mpg, but different routes, so difficult to compare. But even the blurb shows it as minimal. It seems to be marketing. The price difference doesn’t warrant any so called benefits in my opinion. Older cars may benefit more due to cleaning of injectors etc? Price difference means it isn’t worth it. For me!

So what do you think of the new CyberTruck from Tesla?

i was more annoyed that you had a surf board on the roof of the M3 and didnt use it 😅

McLaren need to offer a better service and buyer experience to try to counter the huge depreciation and they don’t so that’s a massive problem! Ex McLaren owner and won’t go back to them.

GMA T50❤️

Something wrong with the camera focus.....fuzzy

Welcome back to the real world where traditionally you bought a car and it depreciated. We have all been living in a bubble for the last ten years with appreciating cars.

Hate to be that person but the i4 is the first car to use Hanz Zimmer sound. Great car! Often overlooked in the good ev conversation. 300+ miles in the summer.

Colder the better if it means we don't have to see any more of Tony's legs....!

Tony and Sam late to the party with the 765LT. The 675LT was equally good if not better at the time and the one that got away from both of you

It’s the Apple/ Tesla effect: Manufactures know they can make money off of new products without investing massive amounts of money into redesign and simply updating tech and powertrain.

Tony's use of the word "literally" is getting out of hand. Does my box in.

On design the keep on getting retro for a few years but now it's all the same

Guys like Tony is why I will never buy a used car. He doesn't respect run in periods and recommended fuel types!

Tony.. im worried for gravelwood.. stocks been the same for months... nothings moving mate... get back in the game and sort it out!! We need you wealthy...

The m3 front looks good on the touring imo but it’s still ugly on the 3&4door i thought the 720 was wild but never ugly & the m2 is ugly for sure… front and back

Can't agree on EV's. There are no good looking EV cars. I hear people talk about the Taycan as being the best looking EV but to my eyes it's ugly.

They are shutting down ev production

Battery powered EVs ARE NOT THE FUTURE

If you don't drive a McLaren regularly and it lies unused, you will have more problems. A lot of the problems fall on the owners not using them, not McLaren!

That plonkers laugh. It's finger nails on a chalkboard. It ruins the entire podcast. How does he spend so much time with him without cutting his brake lines?

Tony is the perfect candidate for a conspiracy theorist after that E10 or E5 sketch. 😂 There is a difference but it’s a boring explanation and too technical for Tony 😉

Losing its sparkle for me, just too much about supercars. Each to their own.

I don't agree with anything Tony said about the 765, I drove it a few times and found it terrible, in addition to being unreliable, it ultimately loses a lot of performance, behaves too artificially, typical of someone who drives with electronic aids! in short boring and ugly

The Lee collection. Cars bought with money from the poor.

People in Australia are just uneducated and think e10 is the devil 😂 I ran a 97 GS300 with a 2J on e10 only for 5 years and it was fine. Now I run my brand new Kona N on e10 and guess what. It’s also fine.