One thing I haven't seen anyone ever mention about Obi-Wan's "From a certain point of view" is that was probably a way to cope. Obi-Wan is still human, and as much as he knows that it was Palpatine's manipulations that turned Anakin, he will likely also blame himself. So how does Obi-Wan cope? He separates Anakin and Vader. In ANH he speaks very fondly of Anakin, while in RotJ he makes the distinction of "The good man that was your father." This goes along with what Ahsoka tells Ezra in Rebels, "but what'd surprise people is how kind he was." To cope, they both separated Anakin from Vader, preferring to remember him as the friend they loved, instead of wanting to acknowledge the monster he became.

Qui-Gon says something very similar, too: "Your focus determines your reality." It's the same idea, in a different form.

One of the biggest lessons I always took from SW is, You get by with a little help from your friends! Seriously, go through the movies, and count all the times someone tries to do something on their own...they either fail outright, and/or need to be saved by their friends and allies. Friendship is the Force (as a certain pony might say)!

The line “a certain point of view” has resonated with me ever since I was a kid. But as an adult I now understand what that means. In modern times, it’s easy to create imaginary enemies or to dehumanize others based on beliefs and politics. But I was raised to put myself in other peoples shoes. See their point of view, whether I agree with it or not, and use common sense to find a better way.

What you said at the end stuck with me, Thor. The neighbors and acquaintances in your own locale are so much more valuable than the virtual "friend" who will never help you in your real life when you need it. Cherish and nurture those relationships. They're what make your REAL life worth living.

The lesson is that if a creepy old man offers you the way to gain immortality, DON’T take it.

If creator comments matter, George Lucas' commentary in RotS does say that, in the silent scene with Anakin on Mustafar, with a single tear, he realizes he's gone too far, that he's made a deal with the devil, and no matter how he might spin it, he's committed to "evil" now...

Great video. For me, there are two lessons in Star Wars that stand out more than the multiple other ones. First is Darth Sidious' plot to overthrow The Republic. Sidious systematically undercut the public's trust in the institutions of The Republic, and the Jedi, to make himself seem like the more appealing, logical choice. The scene in ROTS when he declares The Empire, to thunderous applause, should send chills down the spine of every viewer. That arc shows just how easily a democracy, as flawed as it was, can collapse from the inside out. 2nd is Luke's commitment to believing in the good side of human nature. It would've been much easier to give up on Anakin and walk away, or kill him. No, Luke chose hopefulness and that lesson is badly needed in life today.

Escapism is truly a gift for anyone

"From a certain point of view" is a phrase that can be used to "re-write" cannon at any time.

The old Jedi Order believed in training Force Sensitives when they are very very young as young children. In the OT, Yoda and Obi tried a different approach to teach Luke when he was almost an adult which is quite old by Jedi standards to begin training... they wanted to see this approach correct potentially something in their earlier teachings... but they feared the emotional curiousity of finding out his Father was Darth Vader, those emotions could be used against Luke as a young adult to confuse and manipulate him... if Luke was their last hope... they kind of have to withhold or bend(u) the truth a little... see what I did there

I believe that had Luke stayed and completed his training either Yoda or Obi-Wan would have told him the truth. Luke fully trained (in control of his emotions) and armed with the truth, I think gives the same ending as Jedi. When Yoda says matter are worse, I think he knows Luke is not in control of his emotions and vulnerable if Vader tells him the truth and he could fall to the dark side (also feeling anger and betrayed by Yoda and Obi-Wan).

I’m giving a like at the beginning before I watch the entire just for the fact that you’re covering the point of their relationship

Eye opening I always hated that “the Jedi are evil” line, even Obi Wan is shocked by it. But thanks to you, I can see it was there because the Jedi would let Palme die naturally whereas the Sith would do whatever it takes to save her.

I think yoda and Obi wan thought that telling Luke The truth about Darth Vader being his father would have completely broken him, even shattered him. And a shattered hero cannot win.

Thor always hits us with wisdom when we need it most, which in my case is all the time, thank you Thor for your great service

The Journey of Darth Vader can really be seen as an allegory for addiction and what it does to a person, in that way too you see people change to their very core and become completely different. The part about a truth from a certain point of view is actually something incredibly important and something we all should be more aware of. I would actually agree with Obi Wan when he says that Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker, that is because Darth Vader had to choose to do what he did. When they faced each other on Anakin was already dead, we can see this pretty clearly when he's ready to and actively tries to kill Padme. Anakin was the one who was willing to do anything to prevent her from dying, but Anakin wasn't there anymore, there was only Vader and he had no qualms about killing her. Padme also realised this, which is why she died as well, her love was dead and so her reason for living. It's not something that is often brought up in western thinking as we seem to tie a lot of what a person is to their physical being, their body, and not so much their psychology. But there are other cultures where after life changing events you can take a new name and in that way become a new person, a different person from your past self. This is why Obi Wan was right, I don't see it as some small part of Anakin stayed alive in there, I see it more of him being revived, or rather Vader changing again into someone different. Sure someone much closer to Anakin than Vader but still different from the both of them. Obi Wan had seen Vader on Mustafar, and he has seen what Vader has done throughout the years, so to him Anakin is well and truly dead and Vader has no way of redeeming himself. That is honestly the correct way to think, yes Vader was able to be changed by Luke but in real life the chances of things like that happening are slim to none. It doesn't mean you should give up on everyone like that but it means you should manage your expectations. To circle back to addiction, Vader throwing Palpatine down the shaft was akin to someone throwing away their drug of choice. In this case Palpatine was the one warping his mind, so without him Vader could see more clearly, he was free. When it comes to drugs you aren't really free just because you threw them away, but imagine if throwing them away made them disappear completely. Touching on the other video, I don't believe either Yoda or Obi Wan ever said that Luke had to kill Vader, Luke had to confront him, defeat him, but it was Luke who said that he wouldn't kill him. There is an argument to be made that objective truth either doesn't exist, or if it did we would be unable to comprehend it. I mean everything we would call truth, even if we try to be as objective as possible is still just based on our own interpretation of what we experience. There's no real clear evidence that we are living in a simulation for example, but just entertain the idea that we did for a minute, in that case just because we haven't seen any evidence for it doesn't mean that our conclusion is the truth. However going down this rabbit hole is bound to make your head hurt and can make you question things in a way that isn't really helpful to you. If I see a car speeding towards me, it's generally a better idea to get out of the way than to question wether the car is real in the first place.

First of all I want to say that your Sunday Commentaries are some of my favorite videos you make and I try to watch all of them. As for this video I agree with everything you say, it’s just unfortunate that we so often have to take people at face value. We never can know what their real intentions or real desires are. It seems to me that we often don’t know ourselves. Though I suppose that just highlights the need to have the wisdom to look for the best in people while not being vigilant that they can be monsters. Either way it makes me think and makes me appreciate Star Wars even more so thank you so much Thor!

Very well said, Thor! I enjoy these Sunday commentaries. Please keep them coming.

I think these philosophical discussions about Star Wars are even more “Star Wars” than talking about the lore and whatnot. George always said that Star Wars has way more to it than people think. And it’s the stories and the deeper elements of them that make star wars so universally liked. Lightsabers are cool and space battles are awesome but that’s not what makes a global phenomenon. His deeper lessons of familial love, redemption, imperfection, darkness and light within all of us, power, and living truth and confronting lies are all important elements to it. And these deep themes ring true to all of us in one way or another. Great video 👍

The greatest lesson from star wars is the importance of a good father figure

Keep it up man! The world needs more clear civil thinking and discussion. Doing it through the lens of Star Wars/Marvel or other Pop Culture is a great way to reach more people and just maybe bring them into the discussion rather than turning them away.

Redemption and Forgiveness

Please keep your Sunday Commentary videos coming. I enjoy your viewpoint and I'm truly learning from you.

1:25 so one thing i think a lot of people overlook about the ""if your not with me your my enemy"" line is Obi-wan's reaction and the fact they are both in the wrong, but Kenobi doesn't really try to dissuade Anakin and he is the one that starts the fight by drawing his saber first and threatening Anakin. yes it would have probaly come to blows no matter what happened or what was said but its the Jedi's dogma that makes the fight a guaranteed thing, if Obi-wan hadnt drawn his saber and threatened Anakin they could have talked this out but that options was taken off the table.

Vader could more easily see the end of the Galaxy than see the end of tyranny. Luke brought a level of revolutionary optimism and compassion that Vader lacked. Yes I'm aware that I'm quoting Ursula k. Leguin.

I enjoy your Sunday commentaries. Truth be told, I don't really watch much of the Disney Star Wars because I don't like what they have done with it, but I do enjoy listening to your comments. You have a great, well rounded, even keel way of presenting. Keep up the good work.

Hey, just wanted to stop by and say that I actually really enjoy these Sunday commentaries. I think art (in any form) should be an initiator of interesting and meaningful conversations, debates etc. I think going further down into the lessons and messages is the funnest and also the most valuable part of it all. And I understand that's not the main original focus of the channel, but that is my favorite part personally.. Honestly I am so sick of Disney SWs that I have been quite disconnected with the content in general, but this kind of discussion.. anytime!! Keep up the good work, see you next time!

Excellent commentary. And good comparisons. Definitely something to think about 🤔

He technically didn't lie. The Vader persona actually did kill Anakin.

Definitely enjoy the Sunday commentaries. Great insight and I always walk away from it with a good perspective.

The real lie is people don’t change and Obi was lying to himself about Anakin and Vader being the same person.

Awesome and wise deliberation! I love, and look forward to, your Sunday discussions. And I hope many others do too. Please, feel free to continue making them, as you and when you see fit.

I like your points on neighbors. Knowing and caring about the folk around you is the way to better the galaxy

Yes, but Thor, you are looking at things with the benefit of decades of hindsight. The lore and the mythology has grown by leaps and bounds since 1983. Luke needed to face Vader/ Palpatine because it was the final film in the trilogy and the last test for the young hero before he could become a "man" (or Jedi as it were). That's where the initial context for Yoda and Obi Wan 's decision making lay. With the benefit of a deeply expanded lore, we learn that Anakin was the "chosen one" born of the force with a special destiny to bring balance. But we also learn that Luke and Leia are Anakin's equals in the force (in terms of raw genetic power or midichlorians). Therefore Yoda and Obi Wan had literally 2 choices....kill the young twins because their immense power meant there were now 2 more Anakin's that could potentially fall to the dark side and absolutely wreck the galaxy even further. Or they could hide them, watch over them, and when the time was right - train them in the ways of the light side of the force with the hope that their incredible raw power would match or surpass Vader and Palpatine. As Jedi, they clearly chose the later option. However, was Luke ready by Return of the Jedi to face 2 Sith Lords at once? Well, it's debatable as he only had a few years of training by that point (but with the galaxy's best genetics). Ultimately, Luke did defeat both Sith - but in an entirely novel and unique way. He straight up beat Vader in their duel. However, he then "beat" Palpatine by NOT taking his bait and choosing death and the love of his father over the offer to rule the galaxy. Did Obi Wan "know" this was to be the outcome? I highly doubt it. But I think that Obi-Wan deeply believed that Luke was the actual "chosen one" who would bring "balance" as this is what he told Maul before Maul died in his arms.

Great commentary! It is wise to remember that often people who try to convince others by even verbally attacking them, do believe that their way of thinking is right. People do not always realize that they are wrong, or that their thinking is not completely right, or that the other one has the same goal but different approach. Someone really evil is like Palpatine, who knows he is doing wrong and spreads lies, but chooses that path time and time again consciously. His mannerism in pushing his agenda is very different; he is devious, calm and seemingly wise (smart he truly is, but for his own benefit). It is not that hard to convince a simply mislead people otherwise, but how to convince someone who wants to spread lies to stop that? Very hard to say, I'm not sure if Star Wars offers an answer to that. I guess ignoring such influencers or ones who are trying to be such is a good start. Nobody wants to be evil if it doesn't gain them anything, but this world tends to reward such behavior, at least in the short term. Evil and falsehood will always be revealed though, so don't go smudging your reputation by doing something bad.

I think one of the biggest lessons is be careful who you trust. Plagueis was betrayed by Sidious, the Jedi were betrayed by Dooku, the Jedi were betrayed by the clone troopers, Sidious was betrayed by Vader, then there’s the sequel mess with Luke trying to kill Kylo, Kylo killing Snoke, Hux spying for the resistance, Kylo turning on Palpatine, etc. You know the old saying, keep your friends close but your enemies closer? Yeah, don’t listen to that if you’re in the Star Wars universe lol.

Literally the exact opposite of the Disney fan fiction, you don't just get to choose who you are. Yeah, you get to choose what you do with who you are, you get to help shape your outcomes with your intentions and actions, you are completely responsible for the choices that you make and you make every choice but you do not exist in a vacuum. Luke was Vader's son, Anakin's son. He did not get to choose whose son he was and as those circumstances were beyond his control, they made up what you might call his "destiny", the part of who he was that was entirely beyond his control. That destiny made him responsible for the part of his life that intersected with his father. You and Luke both get to choose what to do with your circumstances but you don't get to deny reality. Try as you might, you can't change things like your immutable characteristics, your heritage, current circumstances. These things are all a part of you and what you do with them is what will constitute your value to others (read: who you are; your value from other's point of view). Another important message I've taken from Star Wars is that no one is beyond redemption. Vader may have made choices that doomed him mortally and those consequences were natural and unavoidable but he was still able to find catharsis with his son in his final moments.

Great video and I do like your Sunday commentaries even if we do disagree with some of the things that you say on them I still enjoy them and hope you make more of them

Excellent video I really enjoy actually thinking about Star Wars. Taking time to dig deeper than maybe ever intended. But that’s why I like it!

For Obi-Wan and Yoda it was a matter of tragic and desperate practicality because from their point of view they had no reason to think that getting through to Anakin was even on the table. That's why they didn't tell Luke that Vader was Anakin so that fact wouldn't distract him from doing what needed to be done. (They also wanted him fully trained before any encounter). They never expected that Vader would know Luke was his son or that he would want to be with him. But Vader asked Luke to join him and I think Luke eventually realized that was the key. If there was truly nothing of Anakin left why would he try to reach out to his son? Why would he even want that connection at all? Why would he want anybody to share in the ruling of the galaxy? It showed Luke that there was something buried deep within all the armor and the darkness that he could possibly reach and he did. And even with Yoda and Obi-Wans connections to the Force the future as Yoda says is always in motion. The only thing they probably knew for sure is that one of Anakins children would have a confrontation with Vader the outcome of which would decide the fate of the galaxy.

I like your commentaries. It’s cool to find meaning in what you love and apply it to life.

I'm doing a case study on power perception and conflict. Using anakin and obi wan too so thanks for this thor! I'll put you down as a reference

Brilliant video, Thor! One of my faves from you, in fact! Thank you. This is the reason you're still one of my favorite SW commentators! The only thing I would add is: Everyone who sees this and thinks that the "evil ones" manipulating people who don't even benefit from what they are doing, and automatically thinks "yeah, that's (X political party/ideology)...Instead of falling back into a rant, listen to Thor, and please just take a moment to TRY to see how it looks from *their* side, that they likely feel the same way you do about them! And if you know for a fact that they are wrong...well, then maybe YOU can be, too.

As a prequel fan the most valuable lesson in my opinion is how human emotions are natural and should not be suppressed but rather used to one's advantage

Still a bit hard on Obi-Wan and Yoda - I don't think they ever intended to manipulate Luke in this way. Obi-Wan told that lie out of necessity, not having a better answer but feeling he couldn't just blurt out the truth - and he and Yoda intended to tell Luke the truth when he was ready to hear it, when they felt it wouldn't break him down. It even feels as if Yoda thought Obi-Wan's lie was dumb, and that he shouldn't have brought Luke into any of this at all. They definitely say "yeah you need to go confront Vader" after Luke knows the truth, but only after. Yoda outright says, "You weren't ready to hear it", and Luke apologises for getting angry over it. It feels as if he agrees with Yoda's assessment.

Beautifully said sir. Ending had me a bit glossy eyed.

Well... What if they really already knew the endgame? And even more, what if the Kenobi show actually shows it? Imagine this, Thor... Kenobi fights Vander and, during the fight, from a split second, Anakin surfaces back and begs to Kenobi to kill him, for example. And then, afterwards, Qui-Gon explains him that's exactly what is going to save the galaxy, the fact that Anakin is still there. Anyway... It's just something I've been thinking about.

I've thought about this a lot while and after playing the KOTOR games and watching the Revan novel, and I've run through the moral dilemma of the Jedi wiping away Revan's mind to accomplish their noble goal of saving the galaxy from Darth Malak, a man who destroyed multiple planets, the decision was a good one in the grand scheme of things, but I always wonder what would have happened had the Jedi not wiped away Revan's memories. Revan was not the most ruthless sith lord out there. He didn't annihilate worlds in his time as a dark lord, and instead opted on strategic assassinations in order to keep government bodies intact. It's like he was protecting the galaxy from a greater evil. What if the Jedi took him in and they got to discuss their methods and ideologies, because in the end, they had the same goal. If the Jedi were to heed Revan's point of view, they could have altered their methods and ways of doing things and Revan could warn them about the star forge and the sith empire. But I guess this illustrates the close mindedness of the Jedi. They would never listen to Revan as a dark lord, as they already condemned him when he went off the fight the Mandalorians. So in the end, wiping away Revan's mind was probably safer than risking him not cooperating with the Jedi, but the reward for letting Revan keep his memories and instead focusing on understanding his intentions and goals could have yielded a better outcome. There is no way to know which choice is the best, but it is interesting to think about

Personnally i dont care about the new star wars stuff so the Sunday Commentary is what keeps me suscribed !!

I love these kinds of videos.

I do really like the Sunday commentaries.

I don't get why Luke (a jedi school dropout) was better equipped to take out Vader and the Emperor, than Obi-wan and Yoda, two fully trained jedi masters?

I have 100% experienced Obi-Wan’s “Vader betrayed and murdered your father” moment. I’ve seen a friend changed so completely they stopped being my friend and now someone else wears his face.

Like laymen, all levels of trained Force-wielders understand that the future is not entirely certain, and therefore that premonitions via the Force are but a glimpse of a possible outcome given the present course of all things. Any slight change can alter the future, including simply seeing the vision. Therefore, Obi-wan and Yoda both know that Luke is not certain to be successful. That is, they know there’s a real possibility that Luke will either die or be turned, and the Emperor will have his reign for much longer. All they know is possible outcomes, and they work to try and turn the tides toward their preferred outcome. So yes, they “throw him to the wolves” in a sink-or-swim type scenario. Yoda especially knows the reality of these uncertainties if we take the prequels into context, where Yoda rolls the dice on Anakin’s future knowing well what may come to pass. On Vader’s constant idea that he couldn’t disobey his master, he expresses this because ever since the moment he cut off Windu’s hand, he started burning bridges.... ...Moments later, he accepted the mantle of Darth, burning a GIANT bridge... ...and moments after that, although you may think he couldn’t possibly burn any more bridges, he assembles the 501st, and slaughters every Jedi he can find in the temple, including the kids. That bridge is disintegrated to ash at that point. So, look from Vader’s eyes: He was an accomplice to murder of a Jedi Master, and treason, and his accomplice is a Sith Lord. He even says, “what have I done?” Indeed. It’s possible the Jedi would accept his surrender, but he may well then have eventually been put to death. I imagine right then, as the weight of his actions became apparent to him, he thought for the first time, “There is no going back, now.” So, he takes the only path available to him. Palpatine would have killed him easily, otherwise. Besides, he supposedly can stop his wife from dying. So, he goes “YOLO,” renounces the Jedi Order, accepts a Sith moniker, kills a bunch of men, women, and children who mere minutes before were his friends, classmates, and comrades, and then goes off to assassinate the CIS leaders. “Definitely no going back now, but at least I can save Padmé.” ...and then Obi-wan shows up, Vader almost kills Padmé, then tries to kill Obi-wan, but is mostly dismembered, burned alive, and left for dead. “It’s over, now.” But!... Palpatine resurrects him. He gives him a shitty body, and tells him he killed Padmé. He must be in a living hell: body mangled and weak, the only thing he cares about is gone by his doing, and he’s betrayed his closest friends and allies - and the entire Republic. Even if he tried to kill Palpatine now, he’s even more weak, and surely Palpatine would implode his suit on himself before Vader could even ignite his lightsaber “There... is... no... going... back... this is my life, now...” “... What is thy bidding, my master?” His world is shattered. There is nothing else for him, now, but serving his new master, or death. He, now a shell of his former self, chooses servitude. Luke was a glimmer of hope, because if he could just turn him, they could MAYBE start to right his wrongs, but alas, Luke resists, and Vader knows his fate is sealed - back to square one. Only when he sees his son, the spawn of his love, suffering at the hands of his master does he finally choose death, to save Luke - to save Padmé - to repent for all the damage he’d done, the lives he’d taken, the betrayal of his brothers and sisters in the Order, and for his pseudo-father Obi-wan. All those years, he felt he had no choice, and for good reason. He was wrong, of course, but his thinking is logical. Interestingly, then, the prophecy was true: Anakin killed so many Jedi that the Sith and Jedi were equal in number. Balance has been achieved - but, what the Jedi read “balance” to be was in fact “eradication” of the Sith. Ever pathetic, ever fools. The Light creates the Darkness, as we all know...

Love these. Keep 'em coming!

5:41 That's exactly what happened. Luke was their last best hope. Not a decent hope at all. But they were out of options. And as much as Yoda liked to throw absolutist platitudes about "there is no try", that's exactly what they were doing with Luke. It's one level of morally grey to lie to someone and manipulate them into believing in your cause so they fight your battles for you. It's an entirely other level of fucked up to get someone to kill their own family without even letting them make an informed decision. "Greater good" easily becomes "kill when and who we tell you to kill". In fiction, this would be the "He Who Fights Monsters" trope. Sometimes the ends don't justify the means because the means requires you to be the very enemy you wish to destroy. Depending on how much you resemble your enemy, there is usually no ideological reason to bother fighting them anymore. Countless stories have had people defect to the other side, both protag and antag, because their own side no longer matched the virtuous façade that it once claimed to have. IRL people have shifted their attitudes about their political adversaries when their allies start acting like their old adversaries. Many people are afraid to call out bad behavior or hypocrisy amongst their tribe and kin because they don't want to be alienated from the group or help their adversaries. It's a very lonely path to think for yourself because you end up pretty much doubling the number of people you argue with. And it can really hurt when people you once agreed with start shouting you down and not even listening to you simply because you don't blindly confirm their biases.

See I feel that the Dark Side is more about controlling the Force, making it obey you and breaking it like a dog. Because the Sith used certain techniques, the Jedi called them Dark Side and forbid them. Which is why Plo Koon is so cool. He uses Force Judgement. That is just an aspect of the Force. Sith Lightning controls the Force and harms an individual. But it should still be learned so it can become Force Judgement. But hey, that's just me.

Obi-Wan was betray by Anakin when he join the sith and done terrible thing, yet He stated to Yoda, "I can't kill Anakin." While Yoda was right to stop the sith, Obi-Wan had to kill his brother, later stating "I will do what I must," with Anakin counter, "You will try old Friend." But in the end, Obi-Wan couldn't see Vader at the end but Anakin, somewhat torn he just left, leaving the job unfinished. While it would have been a mercy kill, for some people, it can be hard to turn off the switch. Aftet some time Obi-Wan would have that Vader was still alive and cause more evil. Likely felt some responsibility since he didn't killed Vader early, so he seem them as two different individuals, and try to help Luke by try show Vader as a monster that needed to be stop.

Thor I've listened and enjoyed your videos for quite a while now. It seems that for the most part we happen to see eye to eye on much of the subjects you discuss. I have to also concur with your interesting "real world" take on many of the aspects you brought out this time. I can see and agree with many of the parallels. Perhaps because I have agreed so much I've never felt much need to comment before. This time though I feel there was an aspect of your topic I may actually disagree with. I think. . . Getting to the point, by the time Return Of The Jedi came out I was 15. When Luke confronted Ben about the death of his father I had never then nor ever now had any doubt that Ben truly believed he was telling Luke the truth as he saw it. True. I understand and agree with your point that Ben knew in his heart of hearts that Anakin never actually became two literal and separate persons, one good and one bad, and the bad one betrayed and then murdered the good one literally. That is clear. But I always felt that Obi Wan's feelings about what had happened between him and Luke's father was as good as if the Vader persona actually did betray and murdered him. Revenge Of The Sith reinforced that feeling for me even more so when Obi Wan witnessed Anakin killing younglings on the security footage and culminating with the end of the dual he had with Vader at "the high ground". I have never before nor ever since seen Obi Wan become that deeply emotionally effected by any situation he had ever been in. To me he DID just experience the betrayal and murder of his dear close friend. So by the time Ben first told Luke about his father in A New Hope I took away two things. 1) It was important to Obi Wan that Luke not know ALL the details about his father's death at least yet. 2) Obi Wan's true feelings on the actual events pertaining to the death of Luke's father almost coincidentally happened to serve the purpose of keeping those details temporarily hidden from Luke as they were. If Anakin was truly dead to Ben then he wouldn't be lying to Luke. So because of that I never once considered that Ben was ever lying or stretching the truth for some "cause". I truly felt that Ben really believed Anakin was indeed dead. At least to him. And that what he said was not a "cover up" as much as it was a genuine reaction to a trauma that Obi Wan really had about losing his friend to the dark side.

This is a really profound message. Don't let others define your truth and create imaginary villains out of normal people. It is a constant battle in the modern world to do this though, with misinformation becoming a weapon wielded by many

I like your Sunday videos.

2:55 some of the scariest words you can ever hear a person say ""For the Greater Good"" the only thing that makes them words scarier is if the person actually believes them.

Very well said.

Ok. I've been wracking my brain for months now, and I finally have to ask. What's on the left side of the weapon in your logo? It took me long enough to figure out the right side is the Darksaber, and that the zig-zag part is part the cross-guard. Luke's saber as the hilt is obvious. But I can't figure out if the bit on the left is supposed to be part of Thor's hammer or...? Thanks in advance for saving my sanity.

The importance of the high ground in combat, or Look before you leap.

The deeper meaning.....family matters above all, even when some one you love does something evil, you still love them. You want to believe in them and that they will find their way back into the light.

Theres a video called the heart of star wars and its about letting go. Star wars is all about letting go. George Lucas has said it himself and said that's the main focus of TPM but it extends throughout the entirety of the franchise. Even in the books and games of the EU.

George Lucas: The message of Star Wars is that people can be redeemed by their children JJ Abrams: And then, The Force Awakens ends with Kylo killing Han, proving that parents cannot be redeemed by their children

Possible that Obi-Wan tried two things with his "lie": 1st he wanted to see what drives Luke. Is he driven by revenge in the face of evil and therefore not fit to become the "new hope" and so Kenobi has to try his luck with Leia. 2nd: What if, when Luke realised whos son he was denied his responsibillity, contunued his life as farmer, ashamed about his own ancestry and therefor also not becoming the next gneration of Jedi. This way Obi-Wan gave him a push in a certain direction, even somekind of motivation to face Vader sooner or later... hell he even might have tried if Luke falls to the dark side and seeks revenge, he would destroy the Sith that way.

from a certain point of view - is the same a a philosophy term - 'positionality'

Another goldmine. Thank you, sir!

Mine was no matter how much wrong you’ve done. It’s never too late to to good.

100 percent side note. Realized, vader couldn't stay alive anymore at the end not even because of palps, but because he doesn't have anymore hate/rage to use to keep himself alive as he did on say Mustafar

So basically applicability vs allagory

Also in New Hope Luke is basically a child who is hearing about what really happened to his father for the first time. His aunt and uncle lied to him about his father being a freighter pilot in order to keep him safe all his childhood rather than reveal the truth (as far as they might or might not know) to him. Luke is basically a 19 year old boy who is all bright eyed and excited, Obi-Wan wouldn't really have wanted to tell him that his father was a war hero who then turned into a mass murder. To say that Darth Vader coming into existance resulted in Anakin Skywalker being effectively dead was true enough to qualify as a the kind of white like you tell to protect a child from a horrifying and traumatic truth unitl he was ready to hear it.

Dark times these are, fear not we must. Hope will prevail!!!

Most valuable lesson in Star Wars is….Don’t fight on lava planet. They are not safe.

I have trouble respecting people that like the sequel trilogy given how many stupid mistakes Disney made with it and I can not comprehend how anyone can think they are good.

More philosophy! Pls Do more of these man, GOD bless 👍

What kinda bothers me is this line has become one of the most quintessential aspects of star wars-life lessons, but at there same time there are fans out there complaining about what should and shouldn't be canon. But if we all just listened to Obi-Wan Kenobi, we'd realize that we can decide what's canon for ourselves, from our own points of view, and other ppl will have different ideas of what's canon, from their own point of view. But the real beauty of star wars, is that there's so much of it that we actually have the ability to decide which parts we choose to believe, and which we let go of. No one can tell us what's real and what's not, we get to decide that for ourselves, from our own point of view.

Brilliant.

I Reccomend The 4th age in KZfaq if you're gonna continue this line of thinking, which is very refreshing to listen, ngl.

It is Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made.

Yeah redemption is a good thing to give people a chance of. Except monsters like Palpatine

what about when they tell you the "truth", 'from a certain point of view' (ie. lie) about the safety and effectiveness of a certain thing, pretending they want to save the world, but really it's just so they can make a ton of money?

In fiction it can work. But in reality, lying or "omitting certain truths" will always come back to bite you bigger than the original danger you're trying to prevent will ever bite. You cannot protect the truth with lies. They are completely antithetical. However, I wouldn't say that what Obi-Wan said in ANH was a lie, or even omitting certain truths. OK, he could have said that Darth Vader used to be Anakin, and he murdered the essence of his former self by betraying everything that made Anakin Anakin, but still. Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker are, it could be argued, completely different people, and Darth Vader did betray and murder who Anakin was. Fortunately Anakin came back to life just briefly at the end.

put a shield generator inside the Desth Star II. problem solved. Palpatine was too much of an environmentalist however.

Palpatine may have manipulated and groomed Anakin but the Jedi REALLY just handed him to Palpatine on a silver platter. His mother's death was the first step to the Dark, and the Order betraying Ahsoka and essentially Anakin himself through Ahsoka was the last needed tipping point. His wife's death visions was the final straw.

Disney taught me that none of it matters.

I'm wondering when are you doing the video for darth Vader?

Your focus determines your reality... one of the wise gems inside starwars. Anyone can guess who says it?

Oh boy

Stop making sense, Thor.

🍍pineapple.

I learned that I can become a senate

"Your dad joined the devil and committed genocide. He's with the empire" vs "Your dad was killed by Vader (his greed and evil), who fell to the dark side. In other words: Vader, Anakin's other side, killed Anakin when he fell to the dark side" Go tell some 18 year old who is desperate about finding out about his father that his father is the equivalent of Space Hitler; but that at some point he was a good person. Tell the kid that you had to essentially leave his dad for dead in a volcano planet while overcoming the fact that you essentially raised him and loved him as your little brother. A lot of people will opt to try and ease into it.

Star Wars was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....... & as much as they seemed more advanced they still suffered from much of the same conditions that we do. Technology, etc doesn't seem to help us be any more objective about the truth than it was when these films came out decades ago.

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

Thor you should be a philosophy teacher! Please keep these kind of videos coming.