The MS-06C Zaku II

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Жыл бұрын

The MS-06C Zaku II is a mobile suit featured in Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin. They were used during the Battle of Loum.
The redesigned prototype of the Zaku I MS-05 was the MS-06 Zaku II. The power pipes were mounted externally, and the machine was designed so that the output of the fusion reactor could be increased to allow for greater expandability. An "A" was added to the model number of this pre-production prototype, which was known as the MS-06A Zaku II. The results of its functional testing demonstrated that its performance was enough to satisfy the leadership of the Principality of Zeon forces, and they decided to adopt the Zaku II immediately. Its mass production began in time for the outbreak of war.The first production type of the MS-06 Zaku II was a mass-produced mobile suit with some improvements. A "C" was added to its model number, and it was classified as the C Type. The fixed shield and shoulder armor that had been introduced as defensive equipment in the MS-05S Zaku I were also formally adopted, and this type was produced in large numbers as the main machine of the Principality of Zeon. The MS-06 Zaku II series would ultimately consist of countless minor variations based on this C Type, such as the C-5.

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@Rawsilver Жыл бұрын

What I really like about this depiction. It shows that it's not so easy to take out a ship. You see Zakus firing multiple bazooka shells into ships. Probably why Zeon kept scaling up their bazooka until you get the "Giant Bazooka". But by that point they were fighting MS and Balls. Complete overkill and a slower projectile.

@taliawtf6944 Жыл бұрын

Also once Beam weapons were wide spread MS became much more deadly to ships and rendered the old solid shell bazooka rather obsolete. That's one of the awesome things about the UC timeline is it shows a clear line of advancement in general tech.

@Rawsilver Жыл бұрын

@@taliawtf6944 Yep. And even then the Zeons couldn't help develop a beam bazooka. Which probably is pretty damn good for destroying ships.

@taliawtf6944 Жыл бұрын

@@Rawsilver Yeah that was a touch nuts... and yeah that thing did nuke ships really easy.

@Seriouslahni Жыл бұрын

And it just make how Char really deserve a tittle name for soloing those ships.

@Memelord1117 7 ай бұрын

@@Rawsilver The Doms did, but they couldn't be made quick enough to fill the ranks.

@Terinije Жыл бұрын

Zaku II is design-perfection from an aesthetics standpoint.

@scottroxford5715 Жыл бұрын

I feel like it's more of a practicality standpoint that gives them such enduring appeal, everything on the Zaku is there for a reason, the shield on the arm is to block incoming fire, the spiked pauldron is for ramming ships, the open ports on the head give the mono eye more visual range, the skirt armor protects the leg joints. Love the Zaku for the more grounded aesthetic where the Gundam can come off as a bit much at times.

@muhammadazim3374 Жыл бұрын

@@scottroxford5715 yea its like an actual military equipment Thats why i felt like zaku or any zeon grunt kit felt right when i weathered it

@GrinningGnoll Жыл бұрын

Check out the RF Series of the Zeon suits! The Zaku, Gouf, Dom, and Gelgoog are back with beam weapons, tougher armor, and a very nostalgic design.

@zorkmid1083 Жыл бұрын

@@scottroxford5715 The only thing that bothers me about the Zaku is the largely unprotected cables along the outside. There's no reason why anything important like power cables should be outside.

@scottroxford5715 Жыл бұрын

@@zorkmid1083 yeah I don't get the tubes either, definitely one of those "German influences from that one time in history" sort of thing. AESTHETIC

@mattialonghin_mr.l857 9 ай бұрын

Let's admit it. You simply can't dislike the classic Zaku II

@the_timinator77 5 ай бұрын

Of all the gundams, Zaku MS's will ALWAYS be my favorite

@autofox1744 8 ай бұрын

*Fun Fact:* The MS-06C was the last Zeon machine designed to operate on a nuclear battlefield. Nuclear weapons were envisioned as a major part of both Zeon and Federation doctrine prior to and during the early part of the OYW, and the first few major battles of the war involved the deployment of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, both in space and on land. Mobile Suits were expected to fight in zones where such weapons had been used or were actively being used, and so both the MS-06C and the earlier MS-05 series were fitted with fairly heavy radiation shielding. After the signing of the Antarctic Treaty, which forbid such weapons, this shielding was considered an unnecessary expense, and all future Zaku variants starting with the MS-06F did not receive it. Many MS-06Cs were actually retrofitted to the MS-06F standard, resulting in a noticeable improvement in performance due to the reduction in mass.

@Mousran Ай бұрын

Pretty sure they stopped making MS-06C zaku IIs is because zeon and earth federstion stopped fighting on nuclear grounds

@autofox1744 Ай бұрын

@@Mousran That's kinda what I said.

@Mousran Ай бұрын

@@autofox1744 i didn't read it

@rexlumontad5644 Жыл бұрын

Zakus - the iconic bad guy mobile suit. Best homage to Zaku was the Army of Evil Coop who is dressed up as Char Aznable from Char's Counterattack in Megas XLR. And his mech is a Sazabi expy.

@Deathwig1 Жыл бұрын

Megas XLR was an awesome show. Chicks dig giant robots.

@Maki_Gundam_Talk_Ch_MegaliveGN Жыл бұрын

The Earth Federation Forces, which did not surrender despite such a large difference in strength, is also frightening. Zaku's bazooka is so cool. It has a different charm from beam weapons.

@fishpop Жыл бұрын

Loum was such a decisive victory for Zeon cos the Federation just wasn't prepared for combat against Mobile Suits.

@Caun-88 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and these clips show it well. It reminds me of some early WWI when the French would attempt to charge positions of new German machine weapons with some old field guns and horse cavalry

@Devenix8527 Жыл бұрын

Actually it was a Pyrric victory for Zeon. While they did win they lost a lot of their best pilots in the process, leaving them exhausted. Once General Revil reported back to the Federation about this, Loum became more of a devastating loss for Zeon imo.

@eight-cloudspurple5871 Жыл бұрын

@@Devenix8527 yeah but u wont know thst from watching origin. Like, i cant recall a single zaku got shot down or even got a scratch.

@taliawtf6944 Жыл бұрын

It's like the battle in WW2 where a British battle ship tried to fight off a squad of Japanese planes and was soundly defeated signaling the end of the age of battle ships. This mirrors that very nicely as from then on if a ship didn't carry MS is was not going to be able to fight back. Adds a nice layer of realism to your mech fantasy.

@devastater97 6 ай бұрын

@@Devenix8527 The outcome of Loum varies heavily tbh, its regarded as one of the most inconsistent events in the entire U.C timeline but most sources point to it being a proper victory for Zeon. In "original sources" Zeon only lost like 4 Gwazine-class battleships during Loum whereas other sources claims a few dozen ships were lost. Regardless the losses incurred by the Federation compared to Zeon's is STAGGERING and its why Zeon had grounds to force the Federation into a potential surrender. The thing is, Loum pretty much took most if not all Zeon had to pull off, Revil saw this and realised Zeon couldn't sustain itself in a protracted war.

@LegionaryAtticus Жыл бұрын

0:43 is probably the most realistic depiction of MS scale I've seen, most shows depict them as much larger than their stats suggest

@SlowpokeSpartan Жыл бұрын

I just see this mostly just showing how big the Sabrefish is, it’s a pretty damn big for other planes. Though how it’s scaled properly with a zaku Its definitely appreciated

@LegionaryAtticus Жыл бұрын

@@SlowpokeSpartan most fighter planes are way larger than people think too, the saberfish is slightly longer than most modern fighter jets

@s14tat Жыл бұрын

@@LegionaryAtticusexactly. A f15 is longer than a zaku is tall.

@user-hj3he2sw2x Жыл бұрын

00:50 ここ、ザクを人型兵器じゃなくて航空機っぽく見せてる感と、対空砲火を巧みに避けながら、確実に打撃を与えてる感じで好き

@2347394 Жыл бұрын

ただ直進してるように見えるがそんな高度な戦術とは恐れ入った

@Takajo0801 Жыл бұрын

航空機による雷撃戦を思わせる肉薄と弾幕なんだよね。リスクあるけどバズーカの火力を最も発揮できる投射方法。

@user-di9kv8eb4x 6 ай бұрын

@@2347394この米のお陰で、コメ主米がなんちゅー皮肉かと思ったよ

@felipedelrioalvarez6335 Жыл бұрын

Wow a Classic who never dies right?

@araynortassadore3056 Жыл бұрын

Absolute Mass Produced Perfection

@taliawtf6944 Жыл бұрын

I love how this rendition of the Zaku actually shows just how nimble they were compared to battle ships, it's like the real world version of the battle the Brits fought against the Japanese in ww2 where a British battle ship tried to fight a squad of Japanese fighters/bombers and was soundly sunk marking the end of the age of battle ships. Just like this battle showed that ships alone were rather pointless against weapons like MS unless the ship too could deploy it's own MS forces.

@demomanchaos Жыл бұрын

The fall of the Musashi and Yamato further reinforced that fact. The advancement of missiles is what truly killed the battleship for good though, never again shall ships of the line exchange cannon fire.

@taliawtf6944 Жыл бұрын

@@demomanchaos Nope and it's that bit of realism in the anime that really helps it and I love they kept innovating with it from solid primer based weapons to beam weapons then mini MS that was faster and more agile. It's a very nice touch I think.

@demomanchaos Жыл бұрын

@@taliawtf6944 Even the titular Gundams are very rarely overpowered Super Robots. I am not a fan of the new-type nonsense personally but I love how the mobile suits are treated as regular weapons. 08th MS Team has some of the best fights in all mech anime because they involve using tactics and coordination rather than main character bullshit.

@taliawtf6944 Жыл бұрын

@@demomanchaos Eactly

@devildolphin2102 7 ай бұрын

@@demomanchaos Until Jamming/Lasers get so advanced that missiles and air power become Useless. Then we will turn to railgun cannons and turn to missiles again. The great Never Ending circle of Weapons and counter measure development

@clpfox470 Жыл бұрын

This scene would of been alot better if it showed some zakus getting shot down, or you know not flying in a straight line towards AA fire

@SudrianTales Жыл бұрын

But then the Zeon wankers would whine. Even though the battle of Loum was costly for the Federation *AND* Zeon

@user-ie2le7uv9i Жыл бұрын

@@SudrianTales fr

@sirfijoe450 Жыл бұрын

@@SudrianTales Lol cope feddy

@SudrianTales Жыл бұрын

@@sirfijoe450 Hows Zeon doi-Oh wait

@sirfijoe450 Жыл бұрын

@@SudrianTales busy having the cooler looking suits.

@Quackerilla Жыл бұрын

Opening on the crew's warcry is a neat touch.

@user-qn2qw4nk3q 8 ай бұрын

航空機のように編隊組んで飛んでるザク大好き

@user-gm1td9ff9z 2 ай бұрын

ほんとそれな

@comradefreedom8275 Жыл бұрын

The Battle of Loum was brutal.

@rickytoddbotelho9555 Жыл бұрын

Excellent job ❤

@user-hb3eo2yu9b Жыл бұрын

ここまでボコボコにされたのにガンダムやジムとかを造って巻き返した連邦は凄いなぁ...

@zorkmid1083 Жыл бұрын

That's because Earth had much larger resources. But I think it was hinted that by Gundam Unicorn even Earth couldn't keep that pace.

@user-yq6zf3ij5j 8 ай бұрын

それな

@scarlet_squadron 2 ай бұрын

MS開発スピードもだけど、ルウムで半壊した艦隊も再建してるのがバケモン

@user-ct3tn4ce3q Жыл бұрын

連邦はMSの開発に遅れたせいで、ジオンには当初ボコボコにされてたんだよな。ガンダムのアニメは１年戦争の最後の３カ月の物語。つまりそれ以前の９カ月は毎回毎回こんな轟沈シーンだらけだったんだろうな。

@user-gm1td9ff9z 4 ай бұрын

それな((((；ﾟДﾟ))))ｶﾞｸｶﾞｸﾌﾞﾙﾌﾞﾙ

@rexlumontad5644 Жыл бұрын

Battle of Loum - where the Federation finally get the memo that they must create mobile suits to counter Zeon's own. Hence the V-Project that made the Guntank, the Guncannon and.... The Gundam.

@nikoladedic6623 Жыл бұрын

Well, Guntank already exists in this timeline.

@Red14998 Жыл бұрын

@@Rahayu.76 and they were still used in the MBT role of long range combat where Zeon suits excelled in close range for the purpose of exploiting weaknesses of battleships

@user-ko4rt4xf8m 5 ай бұрын

0:20 雷撃戦を想起させる演出、たまりませんな

@user-ji1fk3mb3h 3 ай бұрын

戦艦も格好いい💜

@Chondrichyes Жыл бұрын

［ザクⅡC型(the origin版)］ザクⅰの後継機であるザクⅡのバリエーションのひとつ。初期のものであるにも関わらずこの時点で既に高い汎用性と拡張性を備えておりルウム戦役にて大きく活躍した。なおTV版のC型は対核仕様の機体だったがこちらも同じかは不明である。更に漫画第一話時点で既に旧式になっている模様。

@begems-1026 Жыл бұрын

ザクⅡ C型ご存知ジオンの傑作MS。 C型は比較的初期に生産された機体で、元祖とオリジン版で若干設定が異なる。(元祖では核攻撃を前提としたカスタムをしている) 機体性能などはまさに名機に相応しいバランスの良さで、まさしく主力機に相応しい。劇中ではルウム戦役において主力機として多数投入。MS開発に遅れをとる連邦軍を圧倒した。

@user-he3ks1mz9b Жыл бұрын

ザクバズーカが普通の弾頭設定になったのに戦艦が簡単に沈むのが個人的には納得がいかないなぁ。

@scarlet_squadron Жыл бұрын

⁠@@user-he3ks1mz9b サラミスは兎も角マゼランはかなり頑丈に描かれてますよ。 TVアニメ版ではカットされていますが、ザク隊とムサイ数隻が肉薄して漸くダメージを与えています。ドズル艦隊が残敵掃討をするシーンでも原形を留めているマゼランが多数見受けられます。

@RoyEmeraude Жыл бұрын

I like how "06C" sound like "Oh sexy" because that's exactly what the Zaku II design is

@sshashaki Жыл бұрын

The Zaku II (type c) plastic model is also good.

@KingOfYamimakai Жыл бұрын

If only Zeon focus on just producing Mobile Suits instead of Mobile Armors they wouldn't have being in a bad spot in the later part of the war. M'Quv is one of the leading cause to Zeon's down fall as if he gave Romba Ral Dom instead of him sticking to his Gouf Ral would have being able to capture the Gundam and White Base plus the place he was assigned to would have being able to repel a Federation attack, but nope he decide to hide the fact that he being filling his own pocket with the money he made selling the ores he found at the Mine.

@aaronluisdelacruz4212 Жыл бұрын

The only thing that M'Quve did right is the United Maintenance Plan but it was too late.

@thevillagetroublemaker Жыл бұрын

Yea, zeon basically would've win if they weren't so corrupt and out of focus.

@Devenix8527 Жыл бұрын

However, M'Quv did give the United Maintenance Plan as he saw the problem with all these MS and no shared parts, weapons and even cockpits among them. While it was adopted it was too little too late as the Gelgoog suffered the most from a lack of standardized cockpit; ie getting slaughtered at A Baua Qu.

@KingOfYamimakai Жыл бұрын

@@Devenix8527 I think any ZEON commander would have notice and report the problem.

@Devenix8527 Жыл бұрын

@@KingOfYamimakai Funny thing is, only M-Quv saw the problem AND implemented a means to fix it. Ironic, considering Zeon didn't implement the plan until it was too late. Of course M-Quv did cost Zeon Ramba Ral (and I agree if Ral did get his Doms, then both the Gundam and the White Base would be history) so it balances out.

@janeleehongboay 2 күн бұрын

Fun fact:the gundam one year war was just another variety of ww2

@vustvaleo8068 Жыл бұрын

RIP the Saberfish getting kicked by the Zaku but it wasn't Char funny enough.

@kalp2113 Жыл бұрын

It was the federation's mistake to underestimate this thinking that they will notbe essential to warfare and that it will still be ship to ship combat and fighters.

@ahnafahmed5928 Жыл бұрын

Honestly, this beats Unicorn and Hathaway on animation in space. I can watch the first 3 seconds repeatedly. Origins use of 3d space and detailed RCS is the best. Hathaway had the best damage effects be it beam, kinetic, or damage of any kind. Unicorn had some of the best designs, especially the cockpit shots, and is still a solid top contender.

@Polymerata 8 ай бұрын

Thunderbolt

@user-lo4io8vn1z Жыл бұрын

やっぱりザクが好き！

@gundam5281 Жыл бұрын

Was the Zaku 2 pauldron on the left shoulder used to specifically attack ships and building, or as a response in anticipation to counterattack the potential appearance of Federation MS?

@devastater97 Жыл бұрын

Yes, like the heat hawk it was designed with engaging enemy MS in mind.

@kazushiito2815 Жыл бұрын

C型は核バズ運用前提の設計で、ギレンの野望ムービーでは撃ちまくってるんだよなぁ対放射線用の減速材が入ってて、南極条約後、デッドウェイトになった減速材を抜いたF型となる

@randominternetguy88 Жыл бұрын

THE mobile suit.

@user-ru1sm9tk5c 8 ай бұрын

一年戦争初期のよく訓練されたパイロットは機動しながら攻撃するのに、一年戦争終盤やそれ以降は宇宙空間で棒立ちのまま射撃するパイロットばかりになるの悲しいなぁ

@TheBigExclusive Жыл бұрын

Are the Zakus shooting nuclear missiles? Those are pretty big explosions to take out a ship in one hit.

@Freedomcustom Жыл бұрын

Essentially they are bazooka style weapons though the rounds they fire are comparable to a missile on impact

@user-gm1td9ff9z 6 ай бұрын

ルウム戦役の時のザクは強かった、連邦の白い悪魔が出るまでは

@user-bu3il5xk2s Жыл бұрын

この時は南極条約前だからザクはC型。つまり映像だと普通のザクバズーカを使っているが、核バズーカ使って来てもおかしく無い。数日前まで撃ちまくってたのをこの時は使ってないのも不自然よね。

@Ch-tm4og Жыл бұрын

オリジンのザクは機動力上がり過ぎ

@aceu.c.veteran5167 Жыл бұрын

SIEG ZEON

@mechanomics2649 Жыл бұрын

I guess we can't all be winners here.

@aceu.c.veteran5167 Жыл бұрын

@@mechanomics2649A bit of a vice versa.

@dwarvenwarrior4934 6 ай бұрын

This shows that the zaku could have been a unit to fear.... instead it became nothing more than a trash mob

@petra24_ Жыл бұрын

This is The Origin

@user-vw2wc8wu8d 5 ай бұрын

ジオン脅威のメカニズム！！

@joelgoh2044 Жыл бұрын

The battle of loum always reminds me of the battle of midway where the Japanese lost most of their aces and vets yo the American fleet and story after loum is almost the same as what happen to the Japanese at the end of the war

@rexlumontad5644 Жыл бұрын

I wonder how do the combined fleets of space warships and mobile suits from both Federation and Zeon fare against the ELS swarm coming their way.

@kuronekomema 5 ай бұрын

If Amuro can repel ELS like setsuna they are alive..

@user-jy4di4dn9d 4 ай бұрын

核装備のC型も見たいなぁ

@phantom7033 Жыл бұрын

MA-05 Bigro?

@tokusan31 Жыл бұрын

オリジンの戦闘シーン、ホント良いよね！これでファーストガンダムをリニューアルと行きたいとこだけど、富野さんは絶対にOK出さないと思う。人物像や物語全体に微妙なズレがあって許容できないと思う。

@gundamez8191 Жыл бұрын

Can anyone recall when the triple A on ships actually shot down a Moble Suit?

@Bleachsoul13 Жыл бұрын

Off the top of my head, in Unicorn a Sleeves Bawoo made an attack run on the Nahel Argama and was shot down by its main guns.

@jedispartancoolman Жыл бұрын

It is remarkably bad considering the time period Even today aaa will down targets the size of small birds let alone giant war robots

@aaronluisdelacruz4212 Жыл бұрын

Even if it lands a few hits, the Zaku 2's armor is thick enough to tank does shots. Those are designed to take down fighters.

@Rawsilver Жыл бұрын

F91 they shoot down a Vanguard suit. But by that point they had scaled up beam machine guns for their AA. Way more effective. Here most of the salamis have like two or three crappy machine gun turrets for each side on top. And nothing on the underside of the ship. A lot of the UC ships lack any weapons at all on the underside. The Late war Musai from 0083 mitigates this somewhat by adding one turret below. But most ships just don't seem to bother. Even the White Base wasn't often shooting down MS. So much as deter them from getting too close.

@Freedomcustom Жыл бұрын

Gundam SEED also has a few occasions of grunt MS getting wrecked by an AA fire though literally a few

@sickosl1me Жыл бұрын

Idk why but this reminds me of pearl harbor

@nfldend501 Жыл бұрын

Eveey k ow and then i wish the ships got a k o to make it more reakistic

@joejunior5991 Жыл бұрын

if Mario have Goomba Gundam have Zaku II

@sexaiekiHnukerushasei Жыл бұрын

ギレンの野望やってるとＣ型如きに連邦艦隊がこんなボコボコにされる訳無い気がする

@PMDacpano Ай бұрын

Not a single Zaku II was destroyed.

@user-cx2og6el8i Жыл бұрын

かっこええなぁ～ザクⅡC型

@user-hc5nh8kv7g 5 ай бұрын

what gundam series is this from

@jhhkthecollector7635 5 ай бұрын

gundam the origin

@2347394 Жыл бұрын

宇宙用か知らんけど航空機の運動性は確実に現代以下やなあと、予備弾倉を盾に張り付けるのは如何なものかと

@menoscarforlife Жыл бұрын

The difference between 2 c type and the f type?

@scarlet_squadron Жыл бұрын

正史では核兵器が使用できる機能をオミットしたのがF型とされています。しかし、THE ORIGINではマイナーチェンジくらいの扱いだと思います。 In official history, the F type is considered to have omitted the function that can use nuclear weapons. However, in THE ORIGIN, I think it's treated as a minor change.

@menoscarforlife Жыл бұрын

@@scarlet_squadron thank you user-hz7mq1kb6r but remember the c type is a zaku with heavy radiation shielding the made it a bit slower than the f type.

@LURKLORD92 Жыл бұрын

No sound in space tho

@mechanomics2649 Жыл бұрын

womp womp

@heihoo2000 Жыл бұрын

序盤に艦隊決戦と見せかける為に、多くのムサイが囮となり、犠牲なったからこそ、ザクの奇襲が成功したと思う。結果的に圧勝に見えるが、ジオン艦隊も相当な損傷率で、レビル将軍のジオンに兵無し宣言は、的を得ていると思います。

@mogupinrx Жыл бұрын

ただまあ連邦は連邦で宇宙戦力ほぼ消滅、宇宙での戦闘経験のある兵士もほぼ消滅、旧作一話で少年兵に頼る軍にテムレイが憂いてる本来ならここで詰みで反撃不可能状態、V作戦とかビンソン計画とかリアルなら早くて5～6年はかかる

@MsSyage Жыл бұрын

@@mogupinrx ファーストの世界線だとビンソン計画で再建した宇宙艦隊は連邦がそれまで蓄積していた富をつぎこんだもので、もし壊滅したら戦争中の再編成は不可能という状況だったそうな（MS大図鑑より）なお何度でも再建すればよいと言い放てるオリジン連邦の余裕

@Takajo0801 Жыл бұрын

@@MsSyage UCでも語られてるように連邦には最終的な勝利を約束する「時間」があったんですよね。無限の縦深、無限に物資を飲み込む青い炎ジオンが勝つのは無理だったと思いますね

@19850110naoya Жыл бұрын

@@Takajo0801 ジオンは物量比を理解しており、全体的に戦術的な勝利は無理だと悟っていて、地球降下作戦でプレッシャーをかけて早期講話締結を以て戦略的勝利を目論んでいたのよ〜

@user-er3qc4ne1y Жыл бұрын

@@19850110naoya それを言うなら地球降下作戦じゃなく、ブリティッシュ作戦（コロニー落とし）だね。ジャブローにコロニーを落として地球連邦軍の指揮系統をズタズタにして機能不全にする予定だったが、連邦軍の抵抗のため大気圏突入時にコロニーが2つに分裂して失敗に終わる。そのせいでジオン有利の早期終戦協定を結ぶ目論見も外れ、戦争は泥沼化。後に引けなくなったジオンは地球降下作戦に踏み切る、という流れ。

@kk-cu4xu Жыл бұрын

これみると無印１話で潜入任務とはいえなんでザクマシンガンだったのか？って思ってしまうよね、仕方ないけども

@user-wu2ih6tt9p Жыл бұрын

潜入任務だけども、主目的は新造戦艦と新型MSの偵察であって、戦闘やコロニーの破壊は想定してなかったんじゃないかと。万一戦闘になっても、マシンガンならある程度破壊力を抑えられるからじゃない？って言う後付け補完

@GarrettGuerra 7 ай бұрын

Which one is this?

@jhhkthecollector7635 7 ай бұрын

Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin

@user-pv9os5ew8d Жыл бұрын

こんな「三人寄ればシャア大佐」みたいな猛者が多かったジオン一般兵が最後の三ヶ月はどうしたんだかほぼ連邦にボコされてるやつばっかじゃん

@MsSyage Жыл бұрын

そーでもない。それこそアバオアクー戦の戦力差ってソーラレイ発射後であってもなお三倍以上の兵力差があったけど、ギレンの指揮もあったとはいえ彼が暗殺されるまで戦況はむしろジオン有利に推移していたし損耗についても連邦の方が大きかった。ソロモンでも少数の艦艇やMS隊がよく連邦の猛攻をささえて逆撃いれてたりもする。なんだかんだいってジオン側のベテラン兵は機体の性能差も数も覆して連邦側を圧倒していたことが伺える

@amalgam0794 Жыл бұрын

オリジン読んでないから推測で話しちゃうけど、許してください。連邦にMSないのはわかりきってたんだから、日本の真珠湾攻撃の時みたいに対艦攻撃を小隊規模、艦隊規模問わず死ぬほどやったんじゃないのかな？連邦にシミュレータあるぐらいだからジオンにもあるだろうし、訓練効率はもっと上がるから…

@GODIERGENOUD1135 Жыл бұрын

空気無いから爆発物全部ゼロ距離で飛んでくる威力持ってるから敵も味方も攻撃禁止を徹底しようｗ

@user-mq6yv5ix4x Жыл бұрын

実際の宇宙だと恐ろしすぎて出来ない

@MrTakeoN Жыл бұрын

空想科学読本で実際に宇宙で戦闘になったら互いにすれ違いざまに後ろに攻撃して全力で逃げるという情けないことになると書いてあったなあw

@Hamu_Bitu Жыл бұрын

「なんで？」って聞くのもおかしいかも知れないけど、アメリカとか日本以上に『メカおたく』が居るだろうに、こういう作品を作らないでしょうか？🤔

@seishikinTVDASUDASU Жыл бұрын

メカオタクだけが作れると思うな

@user-vl9bh7mq2c Жыл бұрын

マーベル作品めちゃくちゃ金かけた方が儲かる

@kiraking87 Жыл бұрын

Too bad by the end of the war about all of them will be died.

@KingOfYamimakai Жыл бұрын

Due to Girin's betrayal by using the Solar System High Energy Beam Cannon to kill his old man and the Federation officers he was going to negotiate a peaceful surrender with. If the eldest wasn't a big warmonger that wanted victory over defeat all those innocent Zaku II pilots life would have being spared. Also Zeon kind of dug their own grave as if they assigned competent officers to important role plus focus on developing new Mobile Suits only instead of mobile armors they would have the Federation willing to negotiate a peace talk.

@thierry9035 7 ай бұрын

Average human disagreement

@user-kk2hk3up9f Жыл бұрын

こんなに圧倒的ならシャアや黒い三連星がエース扱いなのはおかしい。誰でも戦艦落としてる。

@scarlet_squadron Жыл бұрын

いや、一般兵は戦艦を落とすのに複数機とムサイで何度も攻撃してる。シャアや三連星は単独で撃沈破してるから、その辺はちゃんと描き分けられてる。

@user-kk2hk3up9f Жыл бұрын

@@scarlet_squadron 後付なんですよ。映像の迫力を出したいから動き回しているけどファーストのザクの動きを見るとこんなに機動力で勝負していないし、このころは皆新兵のはずなのでまだまだ戦法も未熟なはず。中の人はマツナガやガトーやライデン級の人ばかりなのか？

@scarlet_squadron Жыл бұрын

@@user-kk2hk3up9f ここで指摘したのは「誰でも戦艦を墜としてる」という部分なので、初代の描写と比較されても困るんですけど... オリジンのザクの機動は直線的なものが多く(雷撃機のイメージ？)、それほどおかしいとは思いません。イグルーレベルなら分かります。最初期は育成に力を入れた連中が揃ってる筈なので、技量の水準は寧ろ上の可能性もありますよね。

@user-kk2hk3up9f Жыл бұрын

@@scarlet_squadron ジオンがモビルスーツの開発投入で戦局を有利にしたのは事実としてもザク強すぎな映像だと思います。ジオンのプロパカンタ映像級ですよ。ジオンに兵無しは誇大広告ではなく実際にジオン側も苦労していたのだと思うのですけどね。その技量の優れたパイロットはどこのに消えたのでしょうか？富野監督ならそういう画面に出ない事も考慮して映像を作るだろうと思います。考察が足りない後付け映像だと感じました。

@scarlet_squadron Жыл бұрын

@@user-kk2hk3up9f これでプロパガンダなら殆どの作品がそうなると思いますよ。オリジンは ①陽動による連邦艦隊の分断 ②ドズル艦隊の奇襲 ③MS隊の奇襲 ④ドズル艦隊とMS隊の連携攻撃で漸く勝っており、他作品のルウム戦役よりザクの強さは控えめに描かれています。パイロットについては、 ⚪︎9ヶ月も経てば人材も消耗する ⚪︎有視界戦闘に連邦が慣れてない ⚪︎対艦戦と対MS戦では全く違うということが想像できます。(想像するしかないので結構不毛な議論になりますが...) あと、オリジンはパラレル時空の話なので後付けというには割と微妙な立ち位置です。

@rexlumontad5644 Жыл бұрын

Federation Spaceships' Gun Crews are as bad as Stormtroopers when aiming even when Zakus are target rich environment.

@y.kazayaki3681 Жыл бұрын

thats cuz Minovsky Particle density was so thick that AI targeting became useless so now they either had to do It manually or let ai do the work but miss anyway. It was stated in the anime afterall.

@takakabu8662 Жыл бұрын

このシーンタイトルと話数教えて欲しいオリジン？

@scarlet_squadron Жыл бұрын

OVA版なら6章、TV版なら多分11話

@user-ni2io9in1g Жыл бұрын

アルカディア号ならザクの攻撃は受けつけない

@michelecastellotti9172 Жыл бұрын

Man, warships in gundam are pretty weak and pathetic

@TheTrueAdept Жыл бұрын

The funny thing is that things are shifting away from aircraft after a fashion. Missiles are becoming too effective, practical weaponized lasers are beginning to be deployed, and sensors are getting so good that you either have to have stealth out the wazoo or accept massive casualties.