The Mysterious Mr Qualtrough: William Herbert Wallace, 1931 by Mark John Maguire

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They Got Away With Murder

They Got Away With Murder

5 жыл бұрын

The murder of Julia Wallace in Liverpool in 1931 is the city's most famous murder. It has intrigued writers and criminologists ever since, largely because it all started with a phone call from the mysterious "Mr Qualtrough" to the Liverpool Central Chess Club one evening in January 1931. Who was "R M Qualtrough" and did he really get away with murder?
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@jocarruthers5957
@jocarruthers5957 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this! 30 years ago when we were first married, we bought a terraced house in Anfield and a colleague convinced me it was the house where this murder took place. I had to go to the central library to set my mind at rest. We had bought number 29 ... but in a different street. Phew! But I became very interested in the story and it kindled in me a lifelong interest in true crime. We now live ... on Menlove Avenue! So the story seems to follow us .. or vice verse! I’ve read and heard so much about this case but never has it been told as enthrallingly as you tell it here! Thank you 😊
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jo - that is a fascinating story! I was born in Tetlow (sp?) street which is not far from this area also. I am not familiar with the south of Liverpool, but of course John Lennon lived on Menlove Avenue, so you are in good company. Many thanks for your kind words!
@duncanmckinnon
@duncanmckinnon 2 жыл бұрын
Remember, the man was not only a chess player but an exceptional one. This requires a mind that could feel challenged in order to work out his method of play, its repercussions and any possible solutions.
@jocarruthers5957
@jocarruthers5957 2 жыл бұрын
Just for the record, I think Wallace was guilty. I have zero evidence, but I feel their age difference played a part in it. As in he didn’t know she was so much older than him. Maybe he wanted children, which would not have been likely/possible given her age. If he found out he’d been ‘duped’, I feel that could have been the catalyst for murder …
@johndoherty8704
@johndoherty8704 2 жыл бұрын
Collapse of the claddau bridge milford haven
@jeanniewenzlaff440
@jeanniewenzlaff440 2 жыл бұрын
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@chipparker3950
@chipparker3950 4 жыл бұрын
Stunning that low budget low staff can produce a series so superior to mainstream programs. Also the English are such masters of their language.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Ah thank you very much, Chip - I am delighted it has met with your approval!
@glenharrison8653
@glenharrison8653 4 жыл бұрын
Chip Parker ....as opposed to americans who who deliberately mispronounce words to what the whole world knows as. There is no such thing as American english... its just English english mispronounced by the arrogant because they havent a language of their own
@eliscanfield3913
@eliscanfield3913 3 жыл бұрын
@@glenharrison8653 Ha! That'd be more believable if the English didn't have so many accents in your own country, never mind the Welsh, Scottish, and Irish portions.
@glenharrison8653
@glenharrison8653 3 жыл бұрын
Bryan McGucken So how can I watch a Clint Eastwood film and hear 3 different actors pronounce the same word in 3 different words. And the scots the welsh and the irish are separate countries with their own language
@stuartmenziesfarrant
@stuartmenziesfarrant 3 жыл бұрын
Should be taken up by a bigger production company and put on a tv channel. (e.g. Discovery)
@alisonscott4353
@alisonscott4353 4 жыл бұрын
So wonderful to hear proper English put together in beautiful sentences . Such a joy
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😃 You are very kind, Alison!
@katrinaolsen2444
@katrinaolsen2444 2 жыл бұрын
@Llwellyn ap Werth He pronounces the name correctly. Haven’t you ever heard of a trough that pigs eat out of? It’s pronounced “troff”. 🙄😂
@katrinaolsen2444
@katrinaolsen2444 2 жыл бұрын
@WVWoman He’s not correct. Trough, as in a pig trough, is pronounced “troff” in the US. The narrator is correct . Llywelyn has just made himself look like an uneducated jacka$$.
@antonyragu84
@antonyragu84 4 жыл бұрын
Proves once again that no elaborate and hifi graphics can replace good language exquisitely narration
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Ragu!
@ajalvin2012
@ajalvin2012 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree 👍
@chuckh5999
@chuckh5999 3 жыл бұрын
such a pleasure to hear nowadays coupled with such poignant pictures suggesting amazing research.
@chuckh5999
@chuckh5999 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexsmith-gn4tp are you sure you are listening to his narration? There are other crime series where this is common. I have not found that to be the case with TGAWM.
@rebeccalane3039
@rebeccalane3039 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexsmith-gn4tp which words did you hear mispronounced?
@mrsbluesky8415
@mrsbluesky8415 Жыл бұрын
Very strange case. He waits 3 long years, plots a detailed alibi, kills her but doesn’t do it for love or money and dies 2 years later. Strange.
@maramarxx2431
@maramarxx2431 Жыл бұрын
But it,s perfect. Was his work, demential but left his signature
@digitaurus
@digitaurus 9 ай бұрын
A couple of things didn't go to plan: (i) the phone call, and (ii) his other kidney
@bloke1348
@bloke1348 3 жыл бұрын
So well read it almost seems a dying art....the pace and diction...perfect!!
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much indeed, Eamon!
@shaelynp7630
@shaelynp7630 4 жыл бұрын
For once KZfaq has recommended a great channel to me- this is right in my wheelhouse and you're an excellent curator of interesting cases- thank u for your time and effort
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you - eloquently put, Shaelyn!
@shaelynp7630
@shaelynp7630 3 жыл бұрын
@ΑγαΡy I'm already subscribed to both of those
@dawnemccraw1303
@dawnemccraw1303 4 жыл бұрын
I have found this channel and am addicted to the videos now... These are well made without the fluff of the reality tv show crime shows. Awesome job
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dawne - I'm pleased you like them!
@jacquelineramagano6572
@jacquelineramagano6572 Ай бұрын
I’m addicted, too. Thank you for these videos!
@stacyrussell460
@stacyrussell460 2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad to have found this channel. Very soothing voice. As for this case: I go back & forth between thinking Wallace is guilty & not guilty. Fascinating. Poor Julia Wallace to have been murdered that way & to have no real resolution makes it even more tragic.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Stacy!
@lynnedean713
@lynnedean713 3 жыл бұрын
Mr Maguire, you have the best site on KZfaq. No irritating music, no constant commercial breaks, a pleasing and calm voice enunciating each word in what we used to call "Queen's English". What a gem you have created. I absolutely adore your theories you offer at the end of each story. William Herbert Wallace. If I had been on that jury I would have voted 'not guilty' purely because no motive had been offered and a lot of the evidence was circumstantial, maybe unlikely but enough to cause doubt. What I would love to know is did Herbert know his wife's true age? Even today , in these lax times, a 17 year age gap of a woman to man would raise eyebrows and jokes about 'toyboy' but in those days....? But did he know? So when they married, he was 35 and she "34" but really 51, old enough to be his mother. I only watch crime stories and 99% of the time I am glad the killer got caught and received the death penalty. But in the case of Herbert, I just feel - poor Herbert. Why?
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks, Lynne!
@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820
@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 4 жыл бұрын
Man this seems like something out of a murder mystery novel. The "mysterious Mr. Qualtrough", the nonexistent East Menlove Gardens, the classic wild goose chase. It all sounds too unbelievable and that's probably what caused his alibi to fall under suspicion. Also interesting to see that this is an early case of tracing a call, which is common practice nowadays. Another interesting plot point: Menlove Avenue would be John Lennon's childhood street a few years after this. Funny how everything is connected like that...
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree - and interesting to think Wallace may have passed the house that would become John Lennon's childhood home 20 years later... I wonder did he find himself thinking "I'm on a Magical Mystery Tour here!" :)
@meditation762
@meditation762 Жыл бұрын
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 251 Menlove Avenue was only built in 1933 (John's aunt Mimi was the first to live there I believe). Interesting that the house was built the same year that Wallace died. Great channel by the way. New subscriber! Τhanks for all your hard work which must go into the making of these.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Жыл бұрын
@@meditation762 Thank you very much for your kind words and for the information concerning 251 Menlove Avenue - what a pity. I liked the notion of Wallace walking past Aunt Mimi's house!
@TheHappyHijaabi
@TheHappyHijaabi Жыл бұрын
Menlove Gardens East, not East Menlove Gardens
@creolelady182
@creolelady182 4 жыл бұрын
This series is excellent and I am convinced that anyone can be capable of heinous crimes when backed up in a corner.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much - I am delighted you are enjoying it! I think you are right - most people have the capacity to commit murder if the circumstances are right.
@Lemma01
@Lemma01 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder The OP said "anyone". You say "most". There's a difference. I say "some", and I think they are distinguished by a distinctly ego-centric view of their world: as an example, who could possibly believe Lucan's protestations as the central role in his life of his children? How could anyone who felt so attempt to murder their mother? All the people you've presented (wonderfully, incidentally) view society as existing for their benefit, not the other way round. I'd agree that anyone who is like will do whatever they like, to get what they feel they want. But that's not everybody... 😊
@primesspct2
@primesspct2 4 жыл бұрын
I agree it’s excellent and his voice and cadence quite pleasant . And while I agree that many are capable of heinous crimes ,,no,not everybody is. I have to believe that!
@wendysauvageau5981
@wendysauvageau5981 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@mrjones2721
@mrjones2721 2 жыл бұрын
I think the degree of the corner is what matters. If someone is in a struggle for their lives and no one, not even the police, will help, then premeditated murder is understandable, even forgivable. But when the corner you’re backed into is, “It would be embarrassing to separate from my wife,” you’re a monster. Most people will feel threatened enough to kill in a life-or-death situation. Only monsters will feel threatened enough to kill in the second situation.
@manuelcarbajal4559
@manuelcarbajal4559 4 жыл бұрын
What a superb channel. The quality of every episode is astonishing. Superior in every way to any trash in history channel or any other open tv program. While I watch this series can't help thinking in "Poirot" and that many of Agatha Christie's novels and short stories where written in that era of early 20's though the 30's. The similarities are many and they help me to enjoy the fiction and better understand the facts. Great great job! Hope you keep making more episodes.
@One.DeSanctis.
@One.DeSanctis. 3 жыл бұрын
I'm binge rewatching this true crime docu-series. It took me three entire episodes to appreciate that the drawings sometimes used instead of photos are original artwork. They are well placed, advance the narrative, fit well with the mood and blend with the photos. I appreciate both the art and the editing. There has yet to be a drawing in the 4th video. Still posting.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much - I usually only do drawings when I can't find photos for one reason or another! I am delighted you like them, anyway!
@timothynoble816
@timothynoble816 4 жыл бұрын
Having struck Julia Wallace once, rendering her lifeless...did he then cover her head with the raincoat and then hit her several more times...?...therefore 'protecting' his own clothing.from blood splatters....?
@loisreese2692
@loisreese2692 4 жыл бұрын
@Timothy Noble Excellent theory.
@antonyragu84
@antonyragu84 4 жыл бұрын
Have you done so anytime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@KebabMusicLtd
@KebabMusicLtd 4 жыл бұрын
I would suggest that there would have been a great deal more blood within the coat, although it is clear that whoever did swing the lead, used the coat for some similar reason. The fact that the photo is in black and white makes it hard to see the true extent to which the blood was spread. The room looks amazingly quite clean, but cluttered, and apart from the body of the woman lying prone on the carpet, doesn't look to be otherwise amiss.
@sarahholland2600
@sarahholland2600 3 жыл бұрын
@@KebabMusicLtd if you look at the Lizzie Borden murder photos many comment it looks 'too clean' as well. In actual fact , in both rooms there was blood spatter on the floor & ceiling: & in Andrews case the blood from his head soaked into the floor boards below & a stain from this was observable in the cellar beneath the sitting room. The sofa was so bloodsoaked it had to be reupholstered.
@derby1884
@derby1884 2 жыл бұрын
That's possible - but I think it was Parry wielding the weapon, not Wallace.
@peterlido9501
@peterlido9501 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant i love these old crime mysteries specially when I haven't heard of them before. Keep on going.
@1rjbrjb
@1rjbrjb 4 жыл бұрын
I just discovered this series. The narrorator has rare analytical and literary gifts. (When I am roused from my torpor I will read his biography. He has a distinctly prosecutorial bent.) I am not easily impressed but in this case I am dazzled. It's as if Poe or Dickens had started a KZfaq channel. The phrasing, pace and precision are Victorian or possibly Edwardian. Well done old chap.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Robert! You are very generous!
@mariadee2208
@mariadee2208 4 жыл бұрын
Hear, hear Robert 👏
@shaelynp7630
@shaelynp7630 4 жыл бұрын
I agree- it's very enthralling!
@janicekennedy4792
@janicekennedy4792 4 жыл бұрын
🤪
@bonanonymouscrickett5231
@bonanonymouscrickett5231 3 жыл бұрын
ObsoleteOddity also has a wonderful Brit accent and narrates true crime stories from long ago.
@544CampStreet
@544CampStreet 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you ever so much for these videos. I'm so glad to have been recommended this channel. I love the focus on older British cases and you accent and voice is sublime. Cheers!
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Leo - I am delighted you liked them!
@TheKulu42
@TheKulu42 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard about this case and saw a "Mystery!" episode about it on PBS. Once again, your research and narration are appreciated. The "Mystery!" show gave Wallace a motive in the form of an attractive sister-in-law whose husband was conveniently away in India. What you've presented here is, in my opinion, much more interesting than anything contrived by screenwriters.
@merpleshorts5412
@merpleshorts5412 Жыл бұрын
I know you hear this a lot, but I love this channel. It is amazing. Can you please just come and read any book to me at night so I can fall asleep? Your voice is amazing.
@peterbamforth6453
@peterbamforth6453 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent...Superb narration and no silly sound effects.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter.
@MrNimzo257
@MrNimzo257 2 жыл бұрын
This is a fascinating case from the annuls of true crime. There are many who have studied it who have concluded that Wallace was probably innocent. ‘Probably’ because nobody can be sure. What’s interesting is that the facts of the case are generally not in dispute. It’s what they might suggest that is the cause of much debate.
@davidthompson6834
@davidthompson6834 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a postman in Moseley hill sorting office and we get quite a few letters for Mr qualtrouugh manly being from insurance company's very ironic
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
How interesting! :)
@robbieedward8773
@robbieedward8773 3 жыл бұрын
yes and possibly to and from the isle.of.man, with that name.
@MsVanorak
@MsVanorak 3 жыл бұрын
Good qoint - did he have a life qolicy out on his wife I wonder?
@SpyWhoLovedHimself
@SpyWhoLovedHimself 3 жыл бұрын
@@MsVanorak A very small amount, less than was in either of their bank accounts.
@teenieneenie630
@teenieneenie630 4 жыл бұрын
It appears he had a tendency to " over think" a situation, not uncommon in chess players, hence the absurd name " Qualtrough".
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
I think you are right!
@lexiburrows8127
@lexiburrows8127 4 жыл бұрын
I had never heard of that name either, so I looked it up. Apparently, it is quite common on the Isle of Man and some people with that name, when moving to the mainland, HAD gone to Liverpool.
@robbieedward8773
@robbieedward8773 3 жыл бұрын
@@lexiburrows8127 yes indeed a popular name on isle.of.man, in south of the island castletown. people used to have life insurance. with a rep calling for payment weekly, there was a pru office in douglas. so head office in liverpool. and ferrys every day to and from i.o.m - liverpool.. my grand dad at the time , would have had policies with pearl and pru assurance company's . who knows, maybe he seen this name at the office he worked.. always been interested in this case from my teens.
@paintalongwithmandykay3685
@paintalongwithmandykay3685 3 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what you mean ? Does qualtrough have something to do with chess ? I’ve googled it and it only speaks of surnames but gives no Definition
@teenieneenie630
@teenieneenie630 3 жыл бұрын
@@paintalongwithmandykay3685 He simply made it up. It means nothing.
@leno4920
@leno4920 2 жыл бұрын
This is a brilliant series...so glad I found it.....thanks.
@edherwick6995
@edherwick6995 4 жыл бұрын
Very polished and professional presentation.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Ed
@OLD_CROW
@OLD_CROW 3 жыл бұрын
Your channel appeared to me as a KZfaq recommendation. They've gotten this one spot on! I absolutely love your work and have become an instant fan. Just outstanding work. Thanks.
@adoral.libertucci2647
@adoral.libertucci2647 3 жыл бұрын
So glad KZfaq recommended this channel to me. It's just great. You are a great story teller and these stories are so interesting.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it - many thanks!
@kathleenmckeithen118
@kathleenmckeithen118 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, Mr. Maguire. Wallace must have just wanted to be rid of Julia once and for all. How cold blooded. Thank you, again, for your wonderful presentation of these very cold cases. :)
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Kathleen - I believe so.
@kathleenmckeithen118
@kathleenmckeithen118 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I like to go back and rewatch these because they are so well done. :)
@kathleenmckeithen118
@kathleenmckeithen118 2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome. :)
@WyattRyeSway
@WyattRyeSway 4 жыл бұрын
How do you not have millions of subscribers? This is EXCELLENT content!!!
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
You're very kind - many thanks!
@gerdavogel5287
@gerdavogel5287 3 жыл бұрын
Most people do not use the brains they were born with. We are an exclusive group!
@jemmajane5032
@jemmajane5032 3 жыл бұрын
More mysterious, despite 22,000 subscribers, this day in October 2020, so far an astonishing 122 621 have found their way to this video. It's the same with many other videos on this channel. I agree, "They Got Away With Murder" is excellent and deserves many more subscribers. One way is to spread the word.
@doneldamacdonnell8602
@doneldamacdonnell8602 3 жыл бұрын
Because they are all on TicTok !!!
@DramaMustRemainOnTheStage
@DramaMustRemainOnTheStage 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder seems like a good steady growth happening. I've just found your channel and I am enjoying it. Thank you sir.
@cathrynhesketh5703
@cathrynhesketh5703 3 жыл бұрын
I could listen to your voice tell stories for hours.which is what I am doing
@Cheryltwin2012
@Cheryltwin2012 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I study this case, I'm struck by the lack of clear motive on Wallace's part. Did he discover Julia was that much older than he was just before the murder and decided that marriage to a woman nearly 20 years his senior was too horrible to contemplate? Surely, he could have divorced her easily enough as there were no children involved? He didn't have to kill her to get shed of her. Unless, in his circles, divorce was a worse offense than being tried for murder? If he was Mormon or Jehovah's Witness, that would probably be true. Or if he had an abundance of money hidden away that he didn't want to surrender to her in a divorce settlement, murder looks like the better alternative. But there's no evidence he had that kind of wealth. He seems like a thoroughly retiring Casper Milquetoast-type. So one is left to wonder if, as you speculated, this was the only chess match he ever won. Your presentation is, as usual, wonderful. Thanks for all the hard work you much surely put in to these videos.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice train of thoughts laid out there, Cheryl. I am inclined to agree with you - and thank you for your kind words.
@robertmoody2640
@robertmoody2640 2 жыл бұрын
Superbly paced, well-informed and presented,, simple production. One of the best podcasts I've ever heard. Changed my.mind as to the culprit.
@500cheese3
@500cheese3 4 жыл бұрын
Great! The best documentary on the Wallace case I've watched. Well researched and discussed - a cut above the average dross on youtube. TFU.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@what4888
@what4888 4 жыл бұрын
this looks like a case for Hercule Poirot
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@pygiana16
@pygiana16 4 жыл бұрын
Actually the case was presented with exquisite precision by Dorothy L Sayers. Sayers also drew attention to the fact that Qualtrough was not such an unfamiliar name in Liverpool since it’s a Manx name, the Isle of Man being quite near Liverpool.
@aiferapple1246
@aiferapple1246 4 жыл бұрын
@@pygiana16 It's a textbook case. Ask as many people and get as many witnesses as possible, including policemen and bus conductors to use as alibi
@grantjohnston5817
@grantjohnston5817 3 жыл бұрын
Preferably Holmes and Watson......The games afoot.....
@notreallyhere2114
@notreallyhere2114 3 жыл бұрын
Clearly he read to many detective stories
@lizknudsen9176
@lizknudsen9176 3 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful series! Your voice is beautiful and so soothing. It’s been a pleasure to listen. The title of this episode really caught my eye, as I grew up on Qualtrough Road in Rochester, New York. My family was related to the Qualtrough family by marriage. The name is a bastardization of the Manx surname McWalter. Our family actually pronounced it as Qual-tro. And my grandmother’s maiden name was Wallace!
@Superfly937
@Superfly937 3 жыл бұрын
There's something fishy 'bout the neighbour couple, they moved away the next day after the murder, look like brother and sister and came over a bit too quickly as if they were waiting Wallace to return. Aaand they had the key. Anyway, the time window was so narrow that i don't think Wallace was fit enough to pull off the actual killing and run to the tram while carrying a heavy iron bar in his pocket so either he was innocent or had a partner in crime.
@judeinLA.
@judeinLA. Жыл бұрын
Thought something similar. The nosey neighbors didn’t hear anything but keys and knocks. Mrs. Wallace probably knew something and the couple must’ve tried to keep her silent.
@DianeCarroll111
@DianeCarroll111 2 жыл бұрын
I’m thinking he could have discovered her true age. One could presume that she would have been unable to conceive a child in her 50s, but Wallace, believing she was younger, could have thought they would have children.
@edwyatt8810
@edwyatt8810 2 жыл бұрын
I think anyone would be aware that his/her spouse was 17 years older.
@barbaralamson7450
@barbaralamson7450 3 жыл бұрын
I am revisiting your videos because you are the absolute best and I miss you. It was your last video, has it been a week, two, that I realized how much I've missed your voice, art, and villains. Thank you for bringing your magnificent work to us, your fans.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Barbara - you are too kind!
@stevewells2327
@stevewells2327 3 жыл бұрын
Sir. From a distant and locked-down KL Malaysia and ex Liverpool, my compliments on a wonderful series, which I have poured over several times without tedium. Most enjoyable and worthy of a wider viewing. If I might ask you to keep up the indulgence please.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Steve - many thanks. Yes, I do intend to!
@onefeather2
@onefeather2 4 жыл бұрын
Love old murder mysteries and the historical facts and then old pictures of inside the houses and what the area looked like in those times, the way they dress the furniture the buildings.❤️🙂❤
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
@foofy3406
@foofy3406 4 жыл бұрын
just discovered your channel and it’s excellent!!! i used to think Parry did it, but the more i think on it, the more i feel wallace is guilty. but the judge was correct in admitting that there was not substantial evidence to convict and sentence wallace to death.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is the conclusion I have reached. Although my mother, who watched this on Friday, has demurred that it was Wallace! Thank you for your kind comment!
@tomsdottir
@tomsdottir 3 жыл бұрын
I've lived with someone who was a good pianist and who, in consequence, wanted to play the piano all the time. It took considerably less than 3 years for me to conceive murderous intentions towards them.
@louisefreeman931
@louisefreeman931 3 жыл бұрын
Every other source I’ve read seems to lean more towards Wallace’s innocence - interesting to hear the other side of the story
@ajalvin2012
@ajalvin2012 4 жыл бұрын
Yoo hoo 👋 I've just found your channel, I have to tell you I love love love it ! My two favorite things History and True crime 👏👏👏👏 Thanks for your great content I'm resting due to a broken foot and I shall be watching all the stories 👍
@rajeswarypillay657
@rajeswarypillay657 4 жыл бұрын
Get well soon ☺️
@legiontheatregroup
@legiontheatregroup 3 жыл бұрын
Well made documentary, however I feel the way the evidence is presented (and items excluded) is unfair to Wallace. If interested in the case check out the three part 1981 radio documentary Radio City Who Killed Julia Wallace available on KZfaq. Many principals in the case were still alive when that was made; you can hear their memories of what happened that night, and what they suspected at the time, in their own words. Then decide for yourself.
@tabletop_railway
@tabletop_railway 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing up the Radio City documentary- an excellent documentary. Amazing all the original witnesses who took part - including the telephone operator ! My opinion is now more confused but I suppose all I can think now is that the Court of Criminal Appeals was right to over turn the finding of the first trial on the basis of there being a lack of evidence. However I can’t help but believe that Wallace’s ludicrously elaborate alibi was most certainly created as he was complicit or the main agent in the commissioning of Mrs Wallace’s brutal murder.
@edwyatt8810
@edwyatt8810 2 жыл бұрын
I think the Radio City broadcasts were superb- thanks so much for pointing me in that direction as I too have come to the view that Wallace's case is unfairly presented here (even though it's also an interesting documentary). The discussion in the radio broadcasts focused on the possible guilt of the admittedly very unpleasant Parry but before the police files were released which show he had an alibi for the night of the murder. All very confusing!
@jameshogan6142
@jameshogan6142 8 ай бұрын
I can understand someone being anxious about which stop to dismount if unfamiliar with the area but the fact that he over egged it by telling them about his private business does raise questions as to his purpose.@@tabletop_railway
@maxcrowe3900
@maxcrowe3900 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent production, writing, editing, narration, photos. Thank you.
@mariekelly1851
@mariekelly1851 4 жыл бұрын
You don't think there's a possibility he was framed? He seems so mild mannered and unassuming....i don't want him to be guilty. Such a tragic story and to die 2 yrs later 😔
@LTPottenger
@LTPottenger 3 жыл бұрын
There's always a possibility someone is framed but how likely is it? Without some reason to suspect it, it is a one in a million chance.
@diamondleigh7280
@diamondleigh7280 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheXmeimei I totally agree.. The more I heard, the more I begin to feel he done this.... He thought he was smart too.... LoL almost gotten away with it, then he used the weirdest name " Qualtrough" right😂?⁉️ So weird 😂
@johnwildman4839
@johnwildman4839 3 жыл бұрын
I watched every one of this series and loved them all. Mr. Maguire is a great narrator
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks indeed, John!
@lindaleehall
@lindaleehall 4 жыл бұрын
There are so many elements of this that remind me of the Lizzie Borden case, although that was not so precisely pre planned. There was first the mysterious and never discovered note supposedly asking Abby Borden to come out to an unknown location. Lizzie made sure to have Bridget the maid observe Lizzie's movements at significant times. Lizzie also told a story to the neighbours about fearing someone was watching them and she feared they were in danger. Lizzie saying she was absent from the house at the critical time and on a silly errand to find lead weights for fishing somewhere in the barn. Also, the bloody coat placed near/under the body. All these elements just struck me even though I have read about both cases many times before and didn't see them.
@derby1884
@derby1884 3 жыл бұрын
I think Emma set that one up, left for the day to visit friends and Lizzie gladly agreed to do the deed(s). Lizzie's guilt, to me, is far more certain than Wallace's in that not a single other theory is backed up by an iota of evidence.
@samahdi6972
@samahdi6972 2 жыл бұрын
The final photograph clearly shows Wallace giving a Freemason handshake, this is probably why the guilty verdict was overruled.
@judeinLA.
@judeinLA. Жыл бұрын
Mrs Wallace probably knew something about the next door neighbors. They should’ve been investigated as well.
@summersolstice884
@summersolstice884 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if other countries are so fascinated with crime, murder and the investigation of such ... There is Agatha Christie, Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes), etc. going back to the 1800's, in books, movies, plays, TV drama ... Love this presentation ...
@2msvalkyrie529
@2msvalkyrie529 2 жыл бұрын
Edgar Allan Poe and Gaston Leroux ( American and French ) produced several classic murder mysteries prior to the Holmes / Poirot era . If anything they provided the template for the " Golden Age " of crime writing which had its peak in England .
@Teffi_Club
@Teffi_Club 3 ай бұрын
Oh, yes. I can tell assure you these clasical mystery writers are popular around the world.
@lliambunter
@lliambunter 4 жыл бұрын
Radio City (Liverpool) named the murderer, he was a nephew of the chief constable of Liverpool, and moved to the Isle of Man, and after he died Radio City went to his house and put forward the evidence, and I think it was his mother said they have nothing else to say.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Liam. There are a lot of theories concerning this case and the Parry plus one is another. If I publish these video essays at some point - which it is my intention to do - then I shall certainly include a historiography of the various writings over the years and include amongst them a review of this one. It simply hasn't been possible to do this with the limitations of these videos - as it is, the Wallace video is the longest I have done at 58 mins and it would defeat my purpose to go beyond this.
@lliambunter
@lliambunter 4 жыл бұрын
@Cynthia I don't know if you know Liverpool. but there was once a garage called Dougherty's on Queens drive , and parry went in after the murder with his car and blood was supposedly on the seats and he asked for it to be cleaned and said he'd had a pig in there from the abbottoir ?
@djpriddin6211
@djpriddin6211 4 жыл бұрын
I remember straightaway there was a Radio City series (?) Some years ago. I'm sure I read one book about the case written by someone from Radio City. Excellent documentary by the way really good. Absolutely lays out all the points without waffle or distraction. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Subscribed!
@lexicon231
@lexicon231 Жыл бұрын
@@lliambunter Atkinsons,
@primaveraitaly5002
@primaveraitaly5002 Ай бұрын
Marvellous narration. So glad I found this channel.
@bluefriend1723
@bluefriend1723 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for narrating another case for us. It did seem that Wallace was preparing an alibi right from the very start, but even so, this case had a few twists and turns I wasn't expecting. Thank you again !
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@deborahdick6527
@deborahdick6527 3 жыл бұрын
I have just found your channel and im really impressed with the content. Well researched and narrated at a lovely pace . Will now have to watch all you have. You now have a new subscriber
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Deborah - I'm delighted you like them!
@susanmerila4958
@susanmerila4958 Жыл бұрын
You tell these events so well! I tune in nearly every day to hear another.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Susan!
@citten4u
@citten4u 3 жыл бұрын
OMG. I love the narrative of this story. I love this story. And it makes you wonder if he did/didn't do this murder of his wife. Just excellent. I hope to hear more. Thank you.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you like it - thank you very much.
@Eva_Zark
@Eva_Zark 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for this video! I looked at photos of your BLUE PAINTINGS and I liked them. You are a very talented man!
@wolfgangaus6264
@wolfgangaus6264 3 жыл бұрын
I am enjoying your hard work immensely. A lot of work goes into such excellent content. Continue with this format and you will never be short of subscribers. Thank you again and I look forward to more . Good luck to you.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much indeed, Wolfgang!
@MsDormy
@MsDormy 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful series of documentaries, so refreshingly intelligent and well presented. Thank you!
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you - I'm so pleased you liked them.
@danelleegan3203
@danelleegan3203 2 жыл бұрын
I wondered during this if he was one of those for whom the " the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation" quote was apt. A repressed, frustrated and disappointed man who did nothing with his life (in his estimation) and who believed he deserved more. Perhaps he had unspoken delusions of grandeur that he choked down and eventually warped his psyche. Fascinating story, incredibly well told. Thank you for your brilliant channel and insightful storytelling.
@jeanplunkett5580
@jeanplunkett5580 2 жыл бұрын
Quiet desperation and women especially in those days .Love this channel no metallic crashing and banging
@shaunswift2738
@shaunswift2738 3 жыл бұрын
Another interesting case, many thanks Mark.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks, Shaun!
@giselastrauss8434
@giselastrauss8434 3 жыл бұрын
Not convinced he was the murderer,the police did not investigate other possible perpetraters.Great job you did once more!!!
@domformula1
@domformula1 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love these videos since discovering them this year. Thank you and please do keep up the good work 👍🏻
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@sarimolta5250
@sarimolta5250 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this video.
@johnwilliams9141
@johnwilliams9141 Жыл бұрын
There was far more evidence against Gordon Parry than there ever was against Wallace. The very fine book on the case by Roger Wilkes sets it out. He even spoke with some of those people, who were involved with the case and we're still around in 1980.
@jameshogan6142
@jameshogan6142 8 ай бұрын
Yes I find it hard to believe that Wallace was responsible.
@NickPenlee
@NickPenlee 4 жыл бұрын
Yet another exemplary piece of deductive reasoning on your part Mr. Maguire and most viewers would concur with your opinion. This case is a difficult one to fathom as it lacked an obvious core motive for Mrs. Wallace's demise. Where there is absence of a clear motive at the time of the trial itself a motive can sometimes be discerned based on behaviour or change in lifestyle of an accused POST TRIAL; however in this case Wallace doesn't seem to have made any radical changes other than the adoption of 'widower' to his social status. It is illogical to suppose that he ever lacked a genuine motive for his actions and as enigmatic as that motive is to all who have studied the case he risked a definite appointment with the hangman just to see his plans reach fruition. If he did indeed simply relish the prospect of being free from being 'shackled' in a loveless marriage to a woman many years his senior then dying two years later at the age of 54 may be seen as retribution from the grave.
@deborahflorence2332
@deborahflorence2332 3 жыл бұрын
oh shut up. you like to hear yourself thinking aloud, don't ya?
@silverstuff182
@silverstuff182 3 жыл бұрын
At that time the average person had a limited idea of what motives there could have been. He may have been gay and tired of putting on an act day in and day out. There are many possibilities. We were never present in their house, we weren't the proverbial fly on the wall.
@silverstuff182
@silverstuff182 3 жыл бұрын
@@deborahflorence2332??????
@NickPenlee
@NickPenlee 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheXmeimei Wallace would NEVER have been 'shocked' by the fact that his wife was 17 years his senior. The huge disparity in age was known from the outset and would have manifested itself on their marriage certificate. The fact that the public only recently discovered Julia to be in her 50's shouldn't imply that Wallace never knew. As for motive; there never was one established! At 21:57 in his summation the judge stated that, "no motive could be established".The narrator also said at 38:12, "absence of apparent motive is Wallace's greatest defence". "Oppressive", "claustrophobic" and "marriage to an elderly woman" were terms used to imply POSSIBLE motives but they remain suggestions and are not based on proven fact.
@conorleeson-davis6666
@conorleeson-davis6666 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly put together video - best I've watched on this case. You Sir, have most definitely earned a subscriber. I've always been intrigued by this case and I've read and watched tons but still gained some new information having watched this. Nice one buddy and thanks so much for your hard work and the upload.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Conor! I'm delighted you like it! Apologies again for belatedly discovering your generous comment.
@esmeephillips5888
@esmeephillips5888 Жыл бұрын
Point of information: EG Hemmerde, counsel in the case, was know as Edward, not George as captioned here. A former MP and Recorder of Liverpool, Hemmerde had a chequered political and financial career. The Wallace case was probably his best remembered.
@qiviutqueen5705
@qiviutqueen5705 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Enjoying these cases very much !
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you - I'm glad of it!
@stephenhowlett6345
@stephenhowlett6345 4 жыл бұрын
He was only 54 when he died but he looked more like 74.
@jennifersherman7052
@jennifersherman7052 4 жыл бұрын
I noti that, too. He seemed to have aged unusually fast. Kidney illness? Stress? Guilt? Maybe all of them. What do you think, Stephen?
@stephenhowlett6345
@stephenhowlett6345 4 жыл бұрын
Jennifer Sherman well Jenn I doubt it was guilt as he didn’t seem to bothered about beating his wife to death so like all psychopaths they have no empathy so I recon he either lied about his age or they just used a photo of his grandad. Could be because he didn’t have a good wife to look after him he was a useless cook so just ate raw food.
@PhilJonesIII
@PhilJonesIII 4 жыл бұрын
His time in tropical/hot climates when antibiotics and knowledge of parasitic infections were poor (still is) might account for that. The average life expectancy for anyone visiting such places in the mid-1800s was just three years if they even survived the journey. Indeed, for a European to visit today, in an unprotected state, is to invite any number of infections/parasites that could make life permanently very uncomfortable. Such discomfort will age a person very quickly.
@stephenconlon653
@stephenconlon653 3 жыл бұрын
People looked older in those days
@sheilahales8630
@sheilahales8630 3 жыл бұрын
YOUR RIGHT. WOULD NOT HAVE PUT HIM DOWN AS 54.
@Minekeepout
@Minekeepout 4 жыл бұрын
How often do you post? I just found your page and I have to say it is, by far, the best one of this type
@brendabrennan6559
@brendabrennan6559 Жыл бұрын
Since finding you I find the stories so interesting and so much detail thankyou for all your hard work.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Жыл бұрын
My pleasure - thank you, Brenda.
@lissalives1
@lissalives1 2 жыл бұрын
📌 I’m not a stalker….wait…oops…that’s exactly what stalkers would say! lol…No, seriously, I love your voice and your dedication to this channel. Long live the teller of tales! ♥️😝😂🤣
@angelmessenger8240
@angelmessenger8240 2 жыл бұрын
Menlove Gardens, what an unfortunate name.
@lesliekendall2206
@lesliekendall2206 4 жыл бұрын
The accused was a Mason. No judge is that incompetent. The attempts at providing an alibi were overkill. No pun intended.
@stevebengel1346
@stevebengel1346 4 жыл бұрын
Seddon the poisoner was also an Mason; he was convicted and hanged at Pentonville in 1912
@lesliekendall2206
@lesliekendall2206 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevebengel1346 Well, I guess the judge wasn't.
@waderaney7
@waderaney7 4 жыл бұрын
The position of the raincoat seems to mean that MRS Wallace was not wearing it when she found😕
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
I think that is the natural conclusion - the defence argument was that she had placed it about her shoulders due to the cold weather.
@patsysmothermon7861
@patsysmothermon7861 2 жыл бұрын
He must have been the murderer ; because he knew the phone number of the Chess club. ☎️
@TheTesemeau
@TheTesemeau 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on this superb production, the definitive exposition of this fascinating case. Growing up on Merseyside in the 1960s I heard, at my father's knee, the story of Qualtrough and Menlove Gardens East. My Dad had heard the story from his Dad, who had come to the same conclusion as you do, as his father had done and as I did also, of course. Great storytelling, precise analysis, I love it, thank you!
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much indeed - I too am from Liverpool, having been born in Teclow (sp?) which is, I believe, about 1/4 of a mile from Wolverton St.
@IlonaEDavey
@IlonaEDavey 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a brilliant series... Really enjoying it... please please can you keep going x
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Lorna! Will do!
@johnromero1029
@johnromero1029 4 жыл бұрын
A fantastic story, one that is quite unique. We know who killed who, We know how the murder was commited, and subsequently, by whom. Yes, it was a game of Chess, played out by someone that wasn't quite the best of players...but then that was the point. Although Wallace knew this; he felt perhaps he should be. So the plan was hatched. He knew that he was dying, I think that this was certain to him. Probably he was told this in one of his many consultations. What better way to go out in a blaze of glory. I think he knew he was going to be found guilty, his gambit however, was to see if he could cheat the hangman. Which of course, he did.
@kriogyal9181
@kriogyal9181 7 ай бұрын
I absolutely love your channel. What baffles me is why would he go to such lengths to respond to a call from someone he does not know. 🤔🤔🤔
@kevin-jg5nq
@kevin-jg5nq 2 жыл бұрын
John Lennon lived at 251 Menlove avenue as a child.
@Einstein852
@Einstein852 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant series. Specially the wonderful old photos.
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Patricia!
@LisaSummerlin
@LisaSummerlin 4 жыл бұрын
Just discovered this channel tonight. Outstanding!!
@tinapeters5725
@tinapeters5725 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the uploads, they make for complusive listening, making one's brain work, trying to figure out who did what
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear - many thanks, Tina
@glenn-younger
@glenn-younger 2 жыл бұрын
Okay. It's a compelling case. But, on this one, I have to say if I were sitting in the jury, I wouldn't cast my vote for a guilty verdict. It's got to be proven "beyond the shadow of a doubt", right? I still have a doubt.
@kristyburgess9847
@kristyburgess9847 4 жыл бұрын
Lucy worsley did a three part series called a very British murder and they covered this case in it. ☺️
@cadaverdog1424
@cadaverdog1424 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine how DNA and today’s forensics would have rendered so many of these intriguing and fascinating cases de-mysterized!! [ apologies for the made-up term!!]_______________________________||
@derby1884
@derby1884 3 жыл бұрын
If there is an after-life, then I'll be asking a few questions up there when my time comes around. Such as "who was Jack the Ripper?" and "did Wallace do it?"
@cadaverdog1424
@cadaverdog1424 3 жыл бұрын
derby1884 And I’ll try to ask God why he made Amelia Earhart disappear and allowed Donald Trump to be born______
@LTPottenger
@LTPottenger 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of times they just complicate the cases
@LTPottenger
@LTPottenger 3 жыл бұрын
@@cadaverdog1424 Yes you could have instead, much better.
@alanaronald244
@alanaronald244 3 жыл бұрын
Most entertaining, beautifully read and presented. Many thanks!
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you too, Alana!
@rianalauren
@rianalauren Жыл бұрын
Have you heard the Juniverse version of this story? It lists a host of questions.
@amaraprabhu1982
@amaraprabhu1982 3 жыл бұрын
Richard Gordon parry dislikes the video 😄
@davidarundel6187
@davidarundel6187 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent listen at any time - today is a good day, as it's cold & stormy out & this is a wonderful channel. Thankyou for your efforts, & for sharing. 👂 Namaste 🙏 💟
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks indeed, David! I am happy you enjoyed! :)
@sharrondean753
@sharrondean753 Жыл бұрын
This case was also brilliantly covered in In Suspicious Circumstances, under the title The Man From The Pru. It suggested a colleague of Wallace was responsible. If ever an innocent man went out of his way to look thoroughly suspicious it was William Wallace. Although he 'got away with it' he was a broken man ever after. I've recently discovered this channel and absolutely love the clear way the cases are presented. I would ask do you plan to do more modern cases, or are you limited due to libel laws.
@hollyberry2752
@hollyberry2752 4 жыл бұрын
I love how well done your video's are. Thank you
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@fluffnstuph85
@fluffnstuph85 3 жыл бұрын
Recently discovered this channel and am currently binging ALL your videos. These productions are nothing short of professional; script, editing, narration, and subject matter! To think you do it all yourself! Also your voice lends itself beautifully to narration! I look forward to more of your content and I hope this channel gets the subscribers it is so deserving of! Thank you for all your hard work!
@nobody8328
@nobody8328 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all of your amazing work on these old cases! Have a comment for the algorithm 💖
@annfisher3316
@annfisher3316 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis sir. 👏
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder
@TheyGotAwayWithMurder 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ann
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