The Mystery of the Elyrion Language: ∑∫ỹriȱŋ Conlang or Relex?

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The Elyrion language: is it a conlang? A code? A cipher? Or just gibberish. SUBSCRIBE NOW: / @simulanger .
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@aldousd666 2 жыл бұрын

It's common to use 'internationalization packages' for things like help text that store a 1:1 representation of one symbol to another. They basically just have to invent a word for every word in the english version. Heck, they could just print it in a fancy font. It's not surprising that this is the way it is. You can probably find the culture-specific text files as artifacts that look like little plugins. So, while it would be possible to make it not actually english, it's a lot harder, and as lazy as programmers are, this is basically an exercise of the paint-by-numbers system of the internationalization machinery, and the developers were kicking the tires with gusto.

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a pretty probable explanation to me, yeah.

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Notes on later research (thanks to Citillan): - no tribe speaks english; however, a) Polytopians have come to our world so contact may have occurred there, and b) Hoodrick and Elyrion are both English-based tribes - all polytopians are anatomically the same except for unique facial features like Cymanti and Elyrion

@cameoshadowness7757 2 жыл бұрын

In my head canon, I just believe the Cymanti were bug hats that control folks. Either way, this is video is something insanely cool.

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@cameoshadowness7757 2 жыл бұрын

@@simulanger No problem!

@alexilonopoulos3165 2 жыл бұрын

Omg, I love conlangs AND Polytopia!

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

perfect!

@user-rl4rl7sv2y 5 ай бұрын

me too!

@mmcworldbuilding5994 2 жыл бұрын

holy shit this video is so cool! as someone who both conlangs and plays polytopia (although i havent bought the ɛʃyrioŋ (yes thats how i pronounce it lmao)) i found this super interesting.

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Me too!

@syro33 2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the Eshuriong. My favorite tribe.

@loopyia2863 Жыл бұрын

@@syro33 that's how its pronounce?

@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347 2 жыл бұрын

I finally found someone in the conlang/linguistic sphere that plays Polytopia! Oh man! This is great! It's quite niche to find someone that plays polytopia too!

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

That's perfect! Exactly why I made the vid!

@Toha-kj1mz 2 жыл бұрын

I thought this video is watched by thousand hundreds of people you make great videos man, you rlly deserve more subs!!

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully 🙏🙏🙏 we'll see, thanks for the support!

@almuel 2 жыл бұрын

I clicked on this video as soon as I saw the Polytopia thumbnail.

@Rolando_Cueva 2 жыл бұрын

5:15 Not just Latin, Greek too.

@noahberrii8209 2 жыл бұрын

Lovely work as always!!

@darcy6698 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video great editing 💚

@kanayamaryam5088 2 жыл бұрын

New to your channel, instant sub. Not personally interested in making conlang but I love learning new languages. I'm excited to see more of your videos.

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@spudbutt8612 2 жыл бұрын

oh heyyy lookie a nicely constructed video from a person with not even a thousand subscribers? alright that's a sub.

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Lol thanks!

@water594 2 жыл бұрын

Elyrion language reform when?

@giorgiopatrizi6251 6 ай бұрын

I work for Citillan and I propose "tribes languages reform when?" the devs are too hostile to conlangs and I don't even understand why

@natilevia6794 2 жыл бұрын

אחלה סרטון!

@dudestop5302 2 жыл бұрын

Here's my theory as to why the syntaxing is the same: maybe, somehow, it's a language without official syntaxing, the native speakers would use some ways to figure out what the sentences mean without sytaxing, like for example maybe cases, word stressing, and tones, and the translator just decided to use English sytaxing while translating. This is an *alien* language, meaning it doesn't have to have a syntax rule like Earth languages do. Also, cool vid. Insta sub!

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Makes total sense to me except for the fact that there are no cases or non-syntactical means of information conveyance. Unless Elyrion has zero means of marking anything whatsoever because it's alien, and somehow things like roles don't matter to them. Although then the translations wouldn't be exact. Although I like the idea of it being in English order just bc the translators wanted it to be, and truly free word order.

@cranque__7737 2 жыл бұрын

I think there's some language spoken somewhere near indonesia w/ very loose syntax, so that "chicken person eat" could mean "the chicken eats the person," "the person eats the chicken" or " the person feeds the chicken" depending on context, just something I saw on a video once.

@dudestop5302 2 жыл бұрын

(sorry for long comment) @@simulanger Maybe they stress words or have tones in spoken language, so although in the written language we aren't able to understand completely what is being said if it wasn't in English sytaxing, in spoken language it's 100% understandable. Let's say, maybe, that a large amount of the Elyrian population is illiterate, maybe because in their alien civilisation they don't really write things down as much as we do on Earth, so maybe that's why the writing system hasn't really advanced that much for non-tone/stress understanding. That might explain the lack of cases/syntaxing in the written language to be able to understand it. And again, they're an alien civilisation, we always try to compare their language and comprehension to Earth ones, but maybe they have some other language features that we don't know of or comprehend things differently than we do, maybe their minds were just built different. As for the fact they use the *EXACT* words English does (except for the word "the"), maybe they don't really have strict rules on how to use words. It could be that some words exist, but don't have to be used, so like depending on the Elyrion speaker, they could say "day eat not, i hunger" or "I haven't eaten all day, I am hungry", and although it sounds weird for our Earth minds, both might be correct in their world. And again, the translator just decided to use them the English way. So on Earth we think that syntaxing, word usage, and just grammar in general are very important, maybe because we write things down a lot and need a way to get everyone to understand 100% of what is being said. But maybe in this alien civilisation they aren't really that much into writing and their language was made more for speaking/listening than for writing/reading, so they haven't really advanced that much in their scripting. Maybe it is just a "free language", where it really doesn't matter how you say things, just as long as you're understood, it's cool. again, sorry for long comment lol

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

No, you're totally right! The sad part is that whatever extra-morphosyntactical features they might have (tone, etc.) isn't encoded in the script and therefore the game help text. Meaning, we have no idea :(

@farmervillager8651 2 жыл бұрын

Could it be possible that they are encoded in the actual script, but not in the representation of the script?

@user-yz3cn2ns4m 2 жыл бұрын

Woah, thank you mister for helping spread word about this mobile game! I appreciate your work on this essay!

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@RafaelSCalsaverini 2 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest: the misusage of characters (like ʃ meaning L and Σ meaning E) in the script already makes me completely not want to engage.

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Fair point.

@RafaelSCalsaverini 2 жыл бұрын

@@simulanger but I enjoyed the video!! Keep it up, your channel is very good. :)

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@rifter0x0000 2 жыл бұрын

There's a job website for conlangers? So people can easily find and hire them? Tell me more!

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! You have to join the Language Creation Society (conlang.org) and then you'll get access to their Slack channels.

@gingerale1591 2 жыл бұрын

i completely forgot that this game existed! awesome

@vipza72130 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ^^

@colbyboucher6391 2 жыл бұрын

Literally never heard of Polytopia before

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Lol that's fine, me too until recently.

@haydend.maniac227 2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t even know about the game itself

@SloppyPuppy 2 жыл бұрын

Lmao half of the symbols for "Elyrion" are from the modern greek alphabet xd

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Too true, too true.

@sanmikey686 2 жыл бұрын

ah yes conlang and polytopia. id never thought id see that

@d.l.7416 2 жыл бұрын

in french you can literally say "the news" as well (les nouvelles) so its not just english

@CouldBeMathijs 10 ай бұрын

nieuw and nieuws are also like this in Dutch, though -s is a recently lost case marker rather then a plural marker when added to adjectives, like nieuw (new), iets nieuws (something new(s)), which is quite interesting

@ukishnzer 2 жыл бұрын

Any game designers looking for people to make real conlangs for their games? Where can I submit my CV? (not the syllable structure)

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

I very much hope so? Basically the best ways are: 1. email game designers before the game releases 2. know a game designer previously 3. join the Language Creation Society (conlang.org) and get access to the Slack jobs board.

@theleviathan3902 2 жыл бұрын

I'm such a goddamn nerd the first thing I thought it was a summation and an integration symbol

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

My friend said the exact same thing 😂

@drestonjclaw2839 2 жыл бұрын

The Erost dialect of Elyrion from the Polycraft server has its own version of Elyrion lol

@MatthewMcVeagh 4 ай бұрын

Is that High Elyrion or Astapori Elyrion?

@janargallon4005 Жыл бұрын

It's just, there is really no demand for a conlanger.

@user-rl4rl7sv2y 5 ай бұрын

heh, for the grammar we have the "no word for the"

@drestonjclaw2839 2 жыл бұрын

5:09

@drestonjclaw2839 2 жыл бұрын

5:31 your script seems too angular though, I believe that the Elyrion would write in a more cursive or somewhat more curved manner. I would also suggest that there should be lowercase letters, but I think that was just borrowed from the Latin alphabet.

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

Totally possible; the example Elyrion script I gave was just that - an example.

@itay1232 2 жыл бұрын

Dude I was just watching the video and out of nowhere you pulled out being a native hebrew speaker and wow you have no accent at all. בכל מקרה, עולם קטן

@itay1232 2 жыл бұрын

Or at least you made it sound like you're a native Maybe I'm being dumb af rn

@simulanger 2 жыл бұрын

כן עולם קטן! weirdly a lot of conlangers seem to speak Hebrew (or at least more than you'd think)

@itay1232 2 жыл бұрын

@@simulanger interesting. Well, have a nice day I guess