So what effect has the Corona virus had on price since this was posted... Any further drop?

It has a large plaque on the dash indicating it was a custom constructed car by Kremer and therefore would not have a standard VIN as it was sold as new by Kremer not Porsche. Kremer Racing is a motorsports team based in Cologne, Germany, founded by racing driver Erwin Kremer and his brother Manfred. ... Besides running Porsches, the team was also known for their tuned Porsche race cars that they both raced and sold to other teams who could not gain the best equipment from the factory.

There is a Kremer Logo in the Dashboard. The build racecars in Germany. And since the hat also has Ruf wheels, there is a pretty good Chance its one of kremers old racecars Converted to road use. Here in Germany These cars are quite desireble since they've been "battle tested" and usually rebuild by specialists. Just red to give the a Call...

When You first mentioned that there was ‘something up’ with this car, it jogged a memory of mine from around 20 years ago, and my immediate reaction was that it was something to do with the VIN number. Back in the day I was selling cars for a living for a German prestige/sports specialist in East Horsley, Surrey. One day we were offered in PX a 930 Turbo with a 5 Speed gearbox, but I’m pretty certain that the car was in white. If I remember correctly, we decided to bring in a Porsche expert known to the owners, to get the car underwritten, as it potentially worth a lot of money even then, and it wasn’t something we wanted to go again it’s on a retail basis for all sorts of reasons. Needless to say that when our man looked over the car, there was a concerning anomaly with the chassis number, exactly as you have described...it didn’t follow the factory format, and so the car was deemed at the time to be of dubious provenance and of little value. I’d be really interested to know if this yellow car was once painted white, and is the same car we were offered all those years ago.

Great content, really enjoying the channel and looking forward to seeing how you get on with this project.

I think it looks stunning Jack, be great to see you back in a Porsche.

2:18 Those weels have me drooling I know you can still order them from RUF, but they're so expensive too!

I know this car, several friends were previous owners and I had the car in my barn for a year or so looking after it. I can attest that this 930 drives really well, had it in the air on a ramp for MOT and it is indeed in great condition. I have also thought about buying it when I saw it up for sale. Buy it Jack! Then sell it to me in a year or so.

If i was in the market for one of those, Id have had it in a heartbeat, especially with the saving just on the basis the VIN number is not standard. What 33 Year old car wouldn't have some sort of history?!

1. obvious clue to me and you did not comment (?) was the Racing badge on the glove box interior. 2. the condition is TOO good and mileage TOO low. What do the MOTs say and the history ? surely they’re are gaps. You do. to lay out the MOT or service history or indeed what the current owner says re this aspect. Conclusion. Car was raced and written off racing but not on public road. Rebuilt in the 000s using original parts but the rebuild used later model variants eg G50 box and vents. New VIN number is evidence of this. I would buy the car but recognise the rationale for the discount. I had 1986 911 3.2 Carrera 5speed box. was fab car to drive although the clutch too heavy. a needed servo assist for everyday use.

I think it’s cool that there’s this mystery around the car. It’s stunning and I’d buy it in a heartbeat.

I’d buy it at that price, back in the day Porsche sold shells to Ruf, Kramer, fvd of whoever else could come with the cash. Probably a Kramer car.

Yes I would buy this car for 8k. Usually racing Porsches are destroyed so no one uses the shell to rebuild another car. This yellow bird looks very well constructed and has a good vibe...

I noticed from the very beginning it started to add up after given the information of price and mileage...Firstly the color, then the interior material hood liner, The seats and steering wheel... The Ruf wheels without any Ruf upgrades I assume... Nevertheless very much worth for the price as you say being it was built from the ground up

Beautiful car. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

What an informative video. Thanks for upload and yes, I would defo buy the 930.

The clue is on the wheels.. it's the mythical Yelowbird Le Mans Prototype, hence the RHD. I thought this thing was mere legend. Priceless!

Buy it ! ,life’s to short to worry about minor details,cracking car that I’ve seen in the flesh as few years back

The joy of motoring...thanks for sharing.

For the saving you are getting it's a yes for me...

I'd be very tempted. Love the colour!

If I had the money? I would buy it, for sure. Low milage, good shape, the perfect car to drive it whenever you like

Looks like a very tasty car. I also wouldn't be concerned about strange VIN, as long as it is a legit car that is not going to get repossessed or something. You will get the same ownership experience while you have it and just accept that it will have a similar discount when you sell.

I would buy anything pretty much that has come through Phil Raby...his cars are always spot on.

What a lovely car! VIN wouldn’t worry me at all. You should buy it. I’ve got a signal yellow 73 and love it

It's very beautiful. Rather similar to an old 911s ex racer I rebuilt to road use, in the 70s. Sahara Beige with satin black everywhere.....twas so lovely.👍🏽🇬🇧

I was contemplating trading my 997.2 turbo in for this car too. it seems like it’s been reshelled. My only worry is that, it could potentially be a ringer from back in the day? I have stumbled upon a few “converted” cars previously up for sale with similar sort of history. At the money i still do think it’s worth it, but just due this pandemic, i reckon a normal clean 930 turbo will soon pop up for similar money, which will obviously retain a better value.

Did the V5 date of first registration correlate with the plate year and year of manufacture?

I would buy it, the VIN doesn't bother me at all. And at least you won't be too scared to use it everyday, unlike if you have bought a "proper" 930 turbo. I think you should get it.

In a heartbeat, I’d buy it. It’s beautiful and has some cool history to it too👍🏼

The Vin number on the car is of the type issued by the DVLA back in the 80s for Kit cars and Reshells. Some jiggery pokery must have been involved to get it registered originally as Q plates became mandatory in 1983 for cars built from different parts sources - seeing that the registration date is Dec 1986. New shells from Porsche didn't come stamped with Vins but I would hazard a guess that this car was built up from an unregistered car that had been damaged in transit - and had its original vin and reg quashed by the DVLA as it was unjustified for a dealer to register a repaired damaged car new. The original customer got a replacement fresh order from the factory - and the original damaged remains of the new car got built in to a new fresh factory 1987 shell in the autumn of 1986 - which would explain why the interior features details of earlier spec cars as I suspect there must have been a delay in sorting what to do with the remains of the original car insurance and salvage wise. I'd have had no quarms at all in purchasing this car - knowing what work that's normally needed on 930 turbos especially those that see little use - as a car to use cherish and enjoy this looked a peach.

Just a minor point, the 930 is the turbo. We never say 930 turbo. It’s just 930 924 turbo = 931 944 turbo = 951

My friend , i'm 52 and on a budget. The 930 is my favorite Porsche of all tme and chances to ever drive one , let alone own one , are close to zero. But if i had that kind of money now and that car was a left hand drive ,i'd get it in a flash!!! Looks stunning , is relatively cheap ,is a 5speed and drives properly , what else would anyone ask for?

I think with a title search and a call to Kremer Racing you should be able to piece together a lot more of its history. Personally, I would buy it and drive it and enjoy it.

It's a gorgeous car. The fact that it has a mysterious vin number seems to make this one less desirable for the hardcore Porsche fan. The Ruf wheels are added later as well as the Kremer badge AND it's yellow AND it already has the 5 speed gearbox... These things are signs that this want to be a project car! ;-) Maybe Alois want's to add some extra pressure along with some nice upgrades and some badges with his surname for the money you saved on the purchase price of this hidden gem ;-) Cheers. NV.

Does the Kremer-badge help in the search for awnsers? Did they have a hand in the re-shelling progress maybe?

Such a beauty! Should buy this one as well... xD ;)

Very interesting car and an intriguing dilemma. As your friend had previously owned the car it would be interesting to know his story and how much he paid and sold it for in the past. Looking forward to the next episode.

Thats the best looking porsche ever designed

I found Optare (the UK bus manufacturer) used the VIn SAB Maybe look into that???

I think the answer for the mystery vin number on the 930 is that Porsche allows other legal small car manufactures, like the german RUF to produce 911 with their own serial numbers. Correct me if l’m wrong.?!

Can i get any tips on where can i get a 930?? Help

GET IT. Drive and enjoy it while we can still appreciate these amazing and beautiful machines. Sod the vin number.

This was a great video loved it..

I love the color!

Hello Sir. Hope you're well👍🏻 not seen much of your fine work here for ages. I would have been very suspicious until investigating. Phil Rabey is one of the top dealers and been around for years so I'd expect he would have theory of it's originality. What you're saying makes 100% sense. I'm sure with enough personal investigation one would feel confident in making the purchase. In short, I would most def buy this beauty. Lucky for me I already have a 1986 3.2 sitting on my drive. Thumbs up for a great video👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

My favourite car ever...second place the 959!

Fascinating. For the right price, why not?

Provided everything checked out mechanically and chassis wise and I had the money, I’d buy it in a heart beat.

You say 3.3 Turbo started in 1978, but I had a 1977 3.3 Turbo I did notice a Kremer sticker on the glove box. I used to go to Le Mans. Kremer brothers are a famous Porsche racing team. Could the car have come from there in the past. ?

Jack , another fantastic video, Thank You👍 I’d buy it, very nice example. Go 4 it👊 Greetings from Finland!

What model does the V5 list it as? 🤷‍♂️

Is there anywhere that does a 930 kit car? Or somewhere one could purchase a complete shell atleast? I really want to build a restomod, but dont want to desecrate an original vehicle.

I would buy absolutely! I have always wanted the 930 turbo, always too expensive though.

I’ll buy it! Looks real enough to me. Engine is in the correct wrong place lol

just a word of advice, you should always lift up the rear wiper before you lift the rear deck

Cool. Thanks for the VIN explanation, that was nice to know. As for the car, if it looks and feels like a Porsche turbo and cheap, i would buy it. Just because it doesn’t bear the right VIN number doesn’t mean it wont drive like a Porsche!

It sounds very quiet. I hear air noise over the body structure, but not from that engine. Why?? It's a very interesting story I must say. It had me glued. Provenance is very important to me. If one is prepared to overlook that and the price is right; it could be a winner. 🏆

so did jack buy it, or not?

Did you contact RUF about this vehicle ? It looks like a CTR Yellowbird - so maybe a copy (an original would be a valuable find). I read somewhere that RUF sourced chassis from Porsche - so that may account for the non-standard VIN.

Randomly watching this video something has dawned on me, looking at the side profile of that car it looks super low and like a no compromise performance car, seems to me that the as the buyers of 911's have aged (started off with yuppies in their late 20's and 30's in the 1980's) the cars have got softer and higher off the ground to cater for them!

Really like that color

Didn't Alois Ruf jr. build some turbo cars from bare shells back around 1989?

I would - anything to acquire a 930. Uncle had I believe a 1978 930 - Brown metallic exterior with the tan interior with the plaid pattern. I know I’m not using the right terminology on these items - just leaving a quick comment. There is a global 930 registry - maybe the original car VIN is on the motor so you can trace those origins

FYI - My 1986 VIN number is in that exact spot

This was a KZfaq queue suggestion. We should all go out and make a video every time we test drive a car! Dude did ALL this research on the car and didn't mention Kremer! Obviously didn't want to give up the game. We caught it and I hope one of the viewers snatched it up! Number 27 can make his money off the ads. ; )

If it drives exactly the same as the genuine article I would buy it 😉

I would without hesitation.

Good vid., thanks.

It’s Bosham, not far from East Ashling which is outside of Chichester and not far from Goodwood. Nice looking car and a great setting to film it

If I could afford it I'd buy it in a heartbeat it beautiful

Gorgeous car!

Did you buy it? Looked nice for sure!!

I definitely would, especially if your friend backed the history up

3.56. There's a big clue right there on the glovebox. A KREMER car perhaps? What was the history of the engine, where did it originate, what car was it in from new? Very pretty car.

I like it because it looks similar to the Yellow Bird from RUF.I was wondering if it was a Covin.In either case I Would love to have it.

Yes, it’s lovely!

Great video. I'm so over people buying cars as investment assets. This car has a unique history, is beautifully presented and drives well. I say take advantage of the current market conditions, buy it and drive it like you stole it!!!

Iconic look.

It’s a beautiful car my favorite of the Porsche

I’m an ex -Porsche technician, I wouldn’t touch this with a barge pole, it’s a “bitsa” car. What ever it is, how come Philip Raby doesn’t know it’s past history??? He obviously bought it from someone, why doesn’t this someone know it’s history? Take the car to a Porsche centre and let them ell you “what it is”…. I’ve seen so many ringers and supposedly good cars being two different cars joined together… The anomalies in the interior are also very curious… It’s obvious you want to buy it, then just buy it. Sorry for my negative comments but a Porsche, or any car for that matter, without its genuine VIN should set huge bell towers ringing.

Very tempting Jack, If you’ve got the funds then maybe go for it

I would guess that the way things are at present you will be able to pick up a perfect low mileage 930 for the same price very soon.

My late father bought one in 1982.It was Casablanca Beige,which actually looked gold.The only way to drive it at high speed,was to put two bags of cement in the front,to stop it "taking off". 😂😂😂

Yes I would buy it< and drive it. Thanks.

having built and registered a couple of kit cars, it is a DVLA issued VIN number, if the car was a reshell of a writeoff / rust bucket , then the original VIN would have been used, the ** indicate it was done profesionally....prefer the red turbo tho :-)

Buy it! I have two Porsches with typos in the paperwork of the cars. Like WP0777... Completely crazy stuff and I can't get the error fixed (I live in Taiwan). I think my cases are worse. As long the documents fit and you can register it with that VIN, I would buy it. Great car... Best wishes

These VINs are an earlier format of identity numbers that were allocated by what used to be the local vehicle licensing offices (the LVLO part), or DVLA Local Offices. This particular VIN was issued by the Luton local vehicle licensing office (LVLO362), on 22nd December 1986 (6356 = yDDD based on Julian calendar), which was when (or shortly before) the car was registered. 093 is a sequential number to avoid duplication, so in this case its the 93rd VIN of this format issued by Luton office. The format of these VINs changed slightly in the early/mid 90's when the offices became known as VRO's (Vehicle Registration Offices) instead. They were normally issued in order to register vehicles that were found (following inspection) to have no official/manufacturer-issued identity e.g. like you say low-volume kit cars, radically altered or rebuilt vehicles. /anorak mode off

Why is the camera on the passenger window? Constantly looking over at the camera mounted there is dangerous!

Back in approx 2010 I drove to Malton breakfast meet up, all the local garages opened up their premises so people could look around. One of the garages had a 930 shell that was being rebuilt and it was in yellow , the start of the build was very meticulous, I loved it, maybe it was this car?

I’ve been eyeing that car up too. It’s so good looking. But the 964 and 944 would have to go to fund it, with no guarantee of future value - a hard one. If I had the money spare not doing anything? Like a shot!

Reviewer: Looks for odd signs in the interior & completely misses the huge “Kremer” badge in the middle of the dashboard. *Facepalm

The car looks lovely Jack. It's perfect from every angle and you wouldn't need to change a thing. As for the 'history', or lack of it..........It's a heart over head decision. If it were me I would just make sure that it's mechanically sound and hasn't been in any 'incidents' over the years......then drive the balls off it! :-))

Great video; VIN number.... "Vehicle Identification Number number" 😉

Buy it! Why not? You're getting a good classic car, with all the right bits. And at a massive saving too! And when it comes to resell I'm sure you'll find plenty of people who will feel the same way about it. So what do you have to loose? Carpe Diem

I would buy this 930 in a heart beat. It reminds me of the Yellowbird from Ruf. Doesn't Ruf apply their own VIN Number to their cars? Who really cares if you got a racecar which was in some point in time converted to a streetcar? If the Chassis, Gearbox, Brakes and the Engine are still in good nick, go get it and enjoy it. Would love to own one of these once in the near feature!

Yes, I would 100% buy this car. I am curious to know, if the original owner opted for a build your own based on his interest in RUF design? Yellow Bird color and wheels, his personal take on a "Yellow Bird Lite" car! Great find!

I'll buy it now.

nice red interior +++

Have you looked at the engine number to see what car it came from? Maybe that will give you a clue to what happened! Great car non the less. The VIN discrepancy wont lessen the feeling.