The Myth of Communist Unity during the Cold War

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The Cold War

The Cold War

3 жыл бұрын

Our historical documentary series on the history of the Cold War continues with a video in which we are trying to debunk a myth that the communist countries acted as a single front. We will try to show the differences between Yugoslavia, USSR, and China, both ideologically and economically.
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@nemeczek67
@nemeczek67 3 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid in commie Poland I was baffled when I read in a newspaper about military hostilities between China and Vietnam. I could not understand how two socialist countries could fight each other.
@firaxolegirein9816
@firaxolegirein9816 2 жыл бұрын
People feel that somethings with a common distinctive feature, is all the same That's how the cross-race effect happens
@polishherowitoldpilecki5521
@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 2 жыл бұрын
Capitalist countries were always at war with each other.
@firaxolegirein9816
@firaxolegirein9816 2 жыл бұрын
@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 , it's always about the profit No matter the ideology
@Kabutoes
@Kabutoes 2 жыл бұрын
I mean Argentina and the UK fought each other and they were on the same side of the spectrum
@GUNROCKS1990
@GUNROCKS1990 2 жыл бұрын
1,000 years war with China?
@johnl.7754
@johnl.7754 3 жыл бұрын
“Buckets of Sunshine” ☀️ 🌞
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 2 жыл бұрын
Mutually assured sunshine
@TheCat48488
@TheCat48488 2 жыл бұрын
Which sunshine? The one you eat or throw?
@Matteo_Licata
@Matteo_Licata 2 жыл бұрын
I was about to make the same comment :) Brilliant piece of writing indeed
@rinzo2009
@rinzo2009 2 жыл бұрын
Buckets of Sunshine. Don't worry Comrades. There's enough lemonade to go around.
@justintr4888
@justintr4888 Жыл бұрын
@@Matteo_Licata I'd love to know how many takes it took to deliver that line without chuckling. This guy's deadpan delivery of lines like that is great.
@TheHoagie13
@TheHoagie13 3 жыл бұрын
Yugoslavia's Profile Status: *_"It's Complicated..."_*
@tomsommer8372
@tomsommer8372 2 жыл бұрын
Not really. Pure, evil communism, just like China, with a western style economy (in some parts) to help feed their people to save themselves from uprisings.
@cruchot555
@cruchot555 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomsommer8372 Tom is absolutely right and I say this as someone who was born in raised in that wretched country.
@metaphorpritam
@metaphorpritam 2 жыл бұрын
@NilatS Same as any other communist bureaucrat.
@metaphorpritam
@metaphorpritam 2 жыл бұрын
@NilatS LOLzzxx...My grandfather was a communist revolutionary and I live in West Bengal with 35 years of communist rule.....LOLzzzxxx....Is that a good enough source, bootlicker?
@metaphorpritam
@metaphorpritam 2 жыл бұрын
@NilatS '"communism" never existed there,' Stateless Classless Uropia is never achievable......It is just a ruse to gain gain power. Also, it was never communism vs Capitalism, it is about centralization vs Decentralization, Individual vs the collective, Control at what scale is the question........ LOLzzxx.....There are communists here too,,....People are delusional..
@Nathan-jh1ho
@Nathan-jh1ho 3 жыл бұрын
6:58 I thought "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" was created by Deng Xiaoping after he adopted capitalist/mercantile economic policies
@kadarrosa9926
@kadarrosa9926 3 жыл бұрын
It was
@accent1666
@accent1666 3 жыл бұрын
Maoism?
@arrow1414
@arrow1414 3 жыл бұрын
The phrase is being reused by the CCP for today's policies.
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 3 жыл бұрын
Arrow 1 For continuity, they’re trying to add new stuff (e.g. Jiang Ze Min’s “Three Representing’s” but they never deny Deng Xiaoping’s founding efforts.
@quisqueyanguy120
@quisqueyanguy120 3 жыл бұрын
It was
@thelovertunisia
@thelovertunisia 3 жыл бұрын
Henri Kissinger was among the first politicians to recognise the Sino-Soviet split and to capitalise on it.
@maxmeggeneder8935
@maxmeggeneder8935 2 жыл бұрын
One of the first whose name we still remember today. Back then all of the western intelligence agencies through themselves on that topic to weaken and divide the socialist block and the international communist movements. Covert operations, "Maoist" groups, parties and newspapers established directly by the CIA or West German intelligence. Many "Maoist" parties had more professional spies than actual members from 1960 onward. Until Maoism became popular after 1968 and new parties and groups were established. This time by actual communists, but still loaded with infiltrators and spies.
@michaelra275
@michaelra275 2 жыл бұрын
I was going to say. That underestimates Washington. They knew damn right well there was a split. How to exploit it was a bigger question.
@thelovertunisia
@thelovertunisia 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelra275 Well, often bureacratic latency prevents good decisions from being taken everywhere in the world.
@meilinchan7314
@meilinchan7314 2 жыл бұрын
Took Nixon to see it although USA paid a heavy price for it.
@thelovertunisia
@thelovertunisia 2 жыл бұрын
@@meilinchan7314 Yes but the US has the luxury of wasting resources that we others don't have. The USSR wasted itself to death. Moreover we here in Tunisia had a socialist period and we found the biggest problem with these systems is that since everybody is state employed and cannot be licensed they do not give a shit about productivity and also squander the resources since it is not theirs.
@Xerxezkov
@Xerxezkov 3 жыл бұрын
You missed a good chance to include Sino-Vietnam relationship, another false unity in Communist bloc.
@badluck5647
@badluck5647 3 жыл бұрын
I hope there is video a of Communist Vietnam's conflict (including war) with Communist Cambodia and China. Edit: I originally said Laos instead of Cambodia
@dairebulson7122
@dairebulson7122 3 жыл бұрын
@@badluck5647 You mean Vietnam and Cambodia, right? Laos was generally aligned with Vietnam and the USSR, though it didn't directly participate in the war against Khmer Rouge Cambodia. For a number of years in the 1980s, China did support Hmong rebels against Laos The defeat of the Khmer Rouge led to the establishment of the People's Republic of Kampuchea, aligned with Vietnam, Laos, and the Soviets, and a curious "Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea" composed of the Khmer Rouge, Sihanouk royalists, and Khmer nationalist/pro-US KPNLF which was supported by Thailand, China, and the US
@bj3040
@bj3040 3 жыл бұрын
Vietnam was Russia's proxy, it was sino-russian war.
@trojanthedog
@trojanthedog 3 жыл бұрын
We realised early on that Communism was just as nationalistic as any other system.
@badluck5647
@badluck5647 3 жыл бұрын
@@trojanthedog Maybe more so. Most capitalist are willing to do unpatriotic things to make money. Just look at Disney's and other western corporations' willingness to do anything the Chinese Communist Party wants in exchange for market access.
@sankarchaya
@sankarchaya 3 жыл бұрын
I always found it ironic that Mao's anger at Khrushchev's revisionism in the 50s and 60s in the long run led to him making a sort of deal with the devil with Nixon and Kissinger.
@johnd2058
@johnd2058 3 жыл бұрын
I always found it ironic that Mao, a Communist, preferred peasants over industrial proletarians, let alone proceeded to call _other_ Communists "revisionist".
@blueberrypirate3601
@blueberrypirate3601 3 жыл бұрын
Largely because Mao saw his own creed as vehemently superior to Moscow and look where it went. Today Putins just as wary of Chinese clout on his eastern borders as Brezhnev was in the 60s and Gorby in the 80s.
@Nelsonwmj
@Nelsonwmj 3 жыл бұрын
One thing common between Mao and Kissinger was how brutally realistic both of them were. Mao was in many ways just like Kissinger, except he got more and more batshit crazy and megalomanic as he aged badly.
@Newbmann
@Newbmann 3 жыл бұрын
@@blueberrypirate3601 it doesn't help that Chinese diplomats recently "reminded Russia about Haishenwai" Yeah there's still bitterness about Vladivostok being russian of all things on China's side. So China's continuing to give russia reasons to be wary.
@black10872
@black10872 3 жыл бұрын
@@Newbmann sooner or later they will fight. It's all a matter of timing.
@JenniferinIllinois
@JenniferinIllinois 3 жыл бұрын
"Buckets of sunshine" - OMG that's a fine description of nukes. 🤣🤣🤣
@giannb5145
@giannb5145 2 жыл бұрын
Important to note that at the height of Sino-Soviet split (there was even actual fighting between Russians and Chinese in 1969), there was cooperation between China and the Soviet Union in two very important fronts: joint support for Viet-Cong, and for PLO (Yasser Arafat was one smart guy, receiving arms and money from Ultra-Communist Mao and Ultra-Islamist King Faisal at the same time...).
@battlefield3112011
@battlefield3112011 3 жыл бұрын
Same thing with North Vietnam, China and Soviet Union. It is no secret that North Vietnam preferred dealing with the Soviets because of our history toward China (thousands of years trying to invade and occupied Vietnam).
@Apodeipnon
@Apodeipnon 2 жыл бұрын
@lati long interestingly ROC troops actually stayed in Indochina and neighboring countries for decades afterwards, they got involved in the drug trade with the US and their agencies. But the ROC troops in Vietnam really have nothing to do with the PRC. The US tries to get Vietnam on their side by empathizing and exploring this supposed rivalry between China and Vietnam, they even have illusions of putting a military base in Vietnam.
@hughmungus1767
@hughmungus1767 2 жыл бұрын
@lati long A Vietnamese couple that I know personally had stayed in Vietnam after South Vietnam collapsed in 1975 but when China invaded in 1979, they left via a small boat because they didn't want him drafted into the war. They became "boat people" and wound up in Canada where I got to know them.
@VonFreklstein
@VonFreklstein 2 жыл бұрын
The Khmer Rouge - Vietnamese war isnt mentioned but its essential: the autarkist nationalist regimes like the Maoist China, the DPRK and Romania supported the Khmer Rouge (like the US and UK). Moscow and its allies supported Vietnam. In the cold war the US supported the dar more brutal and extremist side of the "communist division"
@niefanx
@niefanx 2 жыл бұрын
US “support” of the Khmer Rouge is yet another myth. In reality the "support" simply means the US fought its enemy Vietnam. There was no verbal, moral or physical support. China was the biggest backer of the Khmer Rouge and US wasn't hostile to the Khmer Rouge specifically because of China(because it want china on its side against the USSR). China invaded Vietnam by large to counter Vietnam's invasion in Cambodia which were to topple the Khmer Rouge. In the whole fiasco Vietnam is the only good guy.
@terrorgaming459
@terrorgaming459 2 жыл бұрын
@A Velsen its true
@cevinzeke5110
@cevinzeke5110 2 жыл бұрын
@@terrorgaming459 *bro, just trust me bro.* Basically you right now
@AgusSimoncelli
@AgusSimoncelli 2 жыл бұрын
@A Velsen How about the USA voting for like 20 years, even after the Khmer Rouge totally lost control of Cambodia, for the Rouge to retain Cambodia UN seat, effectively making it the legitimate govt in it's eyes? Or the US publicly giving money and weapons to groups that fought Vietnam and the Vietnam friendly govt, while openly being in coalition with the Rouge? Oh, the US assures us that no aid actually went to the Rouge, just to the coalition lead by them, but trust them bro. That's what in the open, nothing covert. Then we go on to the covert stuff allegations, which go from directly arming the Rouge, to pressuring China to arm the Rouge so they wouldn't have to do it themselves, to blocking an effort from the ASEAN to hold elections bc they wanted a Rouge and allies puppet govt to counter Vietnam. And all this comes from either american journalist and a Singaporean diplomat, not exactly you're typical communist propaganda outlet. Even the US DOD admitted to some aid accidentally going to the Rouge, but trust them, just a little. There's 0 doubt the US supported the Rouge. The only question is how much, and it ranges from some, if you somehow believe the US DOD version, to a lot, if you believe literally anyone else.
@user-cx1ki8li4t
@user-cx1ki8li4t 2 жыл бұрын
The United States just hate Vietnam. If aliens fight with Vietnamese, the United States also supports aliens.
@lordsleepyhead
@lordsleepyhead Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid in western Europe Yugoslavia was actually the good socialist country that you could actually travel to or trade with. Many holidays were had in Yugoslavia and they were all awesome.
@12D_D21
@12D_D21 Жыл бұрын
Yugoslavia was also the most successful socialist nation economically; despite being a dictatorship, it was the least repressive out of all the European ones; and they were one of the least ideological, most pragmatic countries of the time. Ultimately, Yugoslavia collapsed more because of ethnic tensions and an economic recession that would’ve happened any way. I’m actually surprised how there aren’t more socialists advocating for a more Yugoslav system
@mrtrailesafety
@mrtrailesafety 3 жыл бұрын
Mao’s problem was visiting the USSR and falling in love with Stalinism. But always being a junior partner to the USSR. Atomic weapons changed everything. Then the Ussuri River border wars, etc.
@StalinTheMan0fSteel
@StalinTheMan0fSteel 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Mao saw Khrushchev as a weakling and Khrushchev saw Mao as an embarrassment to legitimizing Communism a modern true ideology and he also saw China as a glorified banana republic.
@mojewjewjew4420
@mojewjewjew4420 2 жыл бұрын
@@StalinTheMan0fSteel Krushchev was right tho unlike mao
@user-cx1ki8li4t
@user-cx1ki8li4t 2 жыл бұрын
Mao doesn't like Stalinism, but he likes personal worship. In fact, Mao likes Japan's way of economic construction.
@mikewilliams9069
@mikewilliams9069 2 жыл бұрын
Both are weakpeewsies
@Jay-ho9io
@Jay-ho9io 3 жыл бұрын
"Shithousery" Excellent.
@SeppukuPlatinum
@SeppukuPlatinum 3 жыл бұрын
just wanted to say how much i love your videos. they are genuinely excellent and have been for a long time. seriously awesome work
@nemrody7828
@nemrody7828 2 жыл бұрын
Should have included Romanian-Soviet relations. While formally a Warsaw Pact member, Romania did all it could to distance itself from it, starting in the 1960s. It got to the point where Romania would get involved in proxy wars against the USSR, and build good relations with the West to the detriment of its socialist neighbours.
@haenselundgretel654
@haenselundgretel654 2 жыл бұрын
What a perfect episode! I'm really enjoying all of your awesome episodes!
@sabflash
@sabflash 3 жыл бұрын
The treat of my Sunday morning . Thanks for your great work
@hanzup4117
@hanzup4117 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my God, I got a heart! I've been with this channel since day one, but I never thought this would happen :') Cheers to everyone at CW! Right back at you ❤️ Love your stuff and cannot wait to see what you have planned for the future.
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 3 жыл бұрын
two hearts now
@hanzup4117
@hanzup4117 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheColdWarTV You made my sucky day a little less sucky :)
@LookingEastChannel
@LookingEastChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Haha. Great stuff indeed. As a child of the cold war era, so much to learn. Keep up the good work!
@alex4863
@alex4863 3 жыл бұрын
This was a much need, a substance video on most people do not care about to tell the difference between Communist/Socialism/Social-Democracy
@Jay-ho9io
@Jay-ho9io 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@maxmeggeneder8935
@maxmeggeneder8935 2 жыл бұрын
Most people in the US maybe. That is completely diffrent in most of Europe and the Third World. But it is also very important to perceive and know about the diffrent streams of Marxist/Communist theory and practice. For all kinds of progressive forces and the working class at least. This is what is severely lacking in many european countries too. While our comrades in India or Colombia know these diffrences. But they also lead a much more severe class struggle and are generally more class concious.
@cruchot555
@cruchot555 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxmeggeneder8935 Wrong! Most Europeans, especially in the North and West are as ignorant about Bolshevism or Stalinism as people in the US. Remember Baader-Meinhoff?
@maxmeggeneder8935
@maxmeggeneder8935 2 жыл бұрын
@@cruchot555 Sure I remember the RAF. Read every book out there about them and their history. What do you want to say? I don't get your comment in context with "Baader-Meinhof". How do you mean that exactly?
@cruchot555
@cruchot555 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxmeggeneder8935 There are many people in the German academic and political establishment with a significant electorate following who have a favorable view of the Baader-Meinhoff group as "freedom fighters". That's probably why every German movie about them portrays them as merely "misunderstood youth". Anyway, all of the above mentioned players come from middle or upper class families, including most of the RAF terrorists. Most of them had/have college degrees, some even doctor's degrees. They should know what Communism and Marxism is all about. And yet they suck Marxist-Communist ideology like mother's milk and a lot of people, especially clueless millenials, support them like crazy.
@Felixxxxxxxxx
@Felixxxxxxxxx 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative and interesting, thank you
@yourstruly4817
@yourstruly4817 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what would've happened if NATO and Warsaw Pact clashed, would the Poles, Czechoslovakians etc been loyal to Russia? Especially East Germany, how keen would they have been on fighting their West German brothers?
@pupska23
@pupska23 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I think that's a very interesting question. I think that a clash would almost certainly cause civilians in Eastern Bloc to take advantage of most military personnel being deployed to or near combat zones. Though depends on the individual country... i.e. I don't think the Stasi in East Germany wouldn't shy away from using lethal force though Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary would perhaps have the internal descent not be dealt with as heavy handedly so to say. Also the time period would play a big part with IMO if the clash was in the early 50s or late 80s there'd be more likely than not to have more dissent than if the clash was in the 60s, 70s, or early 80s.
@command_unit7792
@command_unit7792 3 жыл бұрын
East German Army was very loyal generally the polish Army during the Stalin era also was decently loyal. The East German army was spacificly noted to be very brutal against the uprisings in Hungary and czechoslovakia.
@pupska23
@pupska23 3 жыл бұрын
@@command_unit7792 exactly why I think the DDR would have internal dissent not effect their military capabilities substantially, being a minor inconvenience at the most. Plus the DDR after the USSR had the most capable soldiers.
@pupska23
@pupska23 3 жыл бұрын
@@savagedarksider5934 Now that's a scenario with so many variables and possibilities of outcome that it would take at least a few hours for me to even think over. Though I'll say this... the world would be VERY different from where we're at presently.
@pupska23
@pupska23 3 жыл бұрын
@@savagedarksider5934 I don't know if I'd say that. But who knows, that's one big can of worms.
@PavelZaitsev
@PavelZaitsev 2 жыл бұрын
A great channel Sir!
@louismartinez7040
@louismartinez7040 2 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting subject something often misunderstood by people. I remember reading about how Americans said that all communist countries were controlled by Moscow but most if not all communist nations, from Poland to North Korea had unique agendas during the Cold War that sometimes clashed with the USSR. One example i know of is when North Korea captured the USS Pueblo in international waters. Moscow was reportedly not pleased with that action.
@evilgenius919
@evilgenius919 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting to know that Yugoslavia was doing more of a market socialist thing. I remember the videos you did on the personal fallout between Tito & Stalin has there been a more detailed look at Yugoslavian market socialism. If not I'd be very interested in finding out more
@kostam.1113
@kostam.1113 3 жыл бұрын
I am from ex-Yugoslavia Yugoslav economy was pretty advanced when compared to other Eastern Bloc countries With higher standards of living and much more freedom But it still greatly suffered from classical socialist drawbacks That were greatly exaggerated by negative effects of capitalism that was creeping in And also massive wealth and development inequality that later destroyed the country For example Slovenia had pretty high standards of living comparable to Austria while Kosovo was comparable to Africa
@EdMcF1
@EdMcF1 2 жыл бұрын
I remember in the 1980s getting on a train leaving Paris to go south-east and a whole carriage was full of Yugoslav 'guest workers', one family was taking a load of luggage back to Yugoslavia including a washing machine, quite a feat.
@xowurb
@xowurb 2 жыл бұрын
Its was because they preferred a western goods instead of home technology, which was also very good. Its called fashion :)
@carlosramos-yf8ns
@carlosramos-yf8ns 2 жыл бұрын
@@xowurb no, it was a show off. "look, neighbor, i am working in france (germany, austria...) and i have my mercedes, bosch washing machine, house on 4 floors with the cement lions/gargoyles on the porch roaring, and you, pathetic piece of shit?"
@ekmalsukarno2302
@ekmalsukarno2302 3 жыл бұрын
The Cold War, can you please make a video exclusively about Argentina under Juan Peron. Please accept my request.
@dairebulson7122
@dairebulson7122 3 жыл бұрын
Peronism is indeed interesting especially in the context of the Cold War
@luisfernandosantosn
@luisfernandosantosn 3 жыл бұрын
You can also find a very similar figure in Brazil in Vargas. They are Very similar, but the major diference is that in Argentina peronism branched and is still somewhat relevant, while varguism became a footnote even by those that still use the name of his party
@dairebulson7122
@dairebulson7122 3 жыл бұрын
@@luisfernandosantosn Well, could Vargas' influence be considered to have lasted at least a short while during the Cold War, as an influence on Kubitschek and Goulart? (Before said influence was totally snuffed out by the 1964 Brazilian coup and subsequent military dictatorship for 20 years)
@StalinTheMan0fSteel
@StalinTheMan0fSteel 3 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting! Maybe also the CIA installation of Pinochet in Chile, or how about an entire video on South America through the Cold war.
@eruno_
@eruno_ 3 жыл бұрын
"Socialism with Chinese characteristics" was not Mao, but Deng Xiaoping idea
@ShubhamMishrabro
@ShubhamMishrabro 3 жыл бұрын
Correct very bad mistake from this channel
@grassic
@grassic 2 жыл бұрын
He doesn't say Mao said that, he says the system "would come to be called socialism with chinese characteristics", meaning in the future
@tomsommer8372
@tomsommer8372 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Mao was pure Stalinism, complete with atrocities and purges. Now, they shifted - for now - to economic warfare against the West while engaging in an arms race to conquer the free world.
@roisingtommy
@roisingtommy 2 жыл бұрын
rebranded by Xi
@msmsmsms8515
@msmsmsms8515 Жыл бұрын
bro goofed hard
@axelastrom1831
@axelastrom1831 2 жыл бұрын
David, you are a great host :)
@ether49
@ether49 2 жыл бұрын
Socialism with Chinese characteristics is not Mao's idea. it is Deng Xiaoping's. Mao's work is called Mao Zedong thought. Socialism with Chinese characteristics refers specifically to market based reforms which were undertaken by Deng and harshly opposed by Mao during his life.
@user-cx1ki8li4t
@user-cx1ki8li4t 2 жыл бұрын
You are right
@kd23se4
@kd23se4 3 жыл бұрын
Love your "motivational talks" to press the like button :)
@StrickerRei-Chn
@StrickerRei-Chn 2 жыл бұрын
6:51 Em... the Socialism with Chinese characteristic was introduced by Deng Xiaoping as a way to open and reform the country after the cultural revolution. Not by Mao ZeDong.
@redram5150
@redram5150 2 жыл бұрын
When you said "Buckets of sunshine" I couldn't help but think of the song "Walking On Sunshine"
@PedroBournigal-kk4ib
@PedroBournigal-kk4ib 2 жыл бұрын
GOSH YOU ARE JUST AMAZED ME I LEARN SO MUCH THAT I CAN Even 🥺🥺🥺🥺 BELIEVE THAT IS AMAZING WE NEED MORE OF THIS THIS IS HISTORY TEACHERS 👍😃
@Dorrzo
@Dorrzo 2 жыл бұрын
Whats the background song at the start?
@goranmrdakovic1298
@goranmrdakovic1298 2 жыл бұрын
I really,really want to know more about Balkan Federation map on 3:36 .Was it drawn back in the day by actual political players or is it just piece of imagination drawn by some enthusiast much later?
@hughmungus1767
@hughmungus1767 2 жыл бұрын
If you're talking about a merger of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, I've seen videos that said it was indeed proposed and discussed between the two countries. I don't recall why it failed to take place though.
@lepjagman
@lepjagman Жыл бұрын
Is this channel related to the Time Ghost Army? It's got the same vibe.
@HamzaPKR
@HamzaPKR 2 жыл бұрын
There are several examples missing here but I suppose they intend to cover them in specific episodes.
@stevearchtoe7039
@stevearchtoe7039 3 жыл бұрын
Where did all the hand movement go?
@marius_m.
@marius_m. 2 жыл бұрын
A few missing topics: The Hungarian Revolution, The Invasion of Czechoslovakia, Romania's denunciation of soviet occupation of Czechoslovakia, Poland's Solidarity Movement
@willwallacetree
@willwallacetree 2 жыл бұрын
Is that the legendary sought after blue drinks coaster?
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well
@martinlisitsata
@martinlisitsata 3 жыл бұрын
"business" ... comrades this channel has gone through a successful counter revolution!
@johnbeechy
@johnbeechy 3 жыл бұрын
there was never any one main thought of central control // thanks for the upload be safe during the remainder of Purge 2020-21
@BoredFish1605
@BoredFish1605 3 жыл бұрын
"What is unity???,this is a forcing opinion and we need reform" -Czechoslovakia probably
@Marinealver
@Marinealver 3 жыл бұрын
It is also uncontested ballots during elections.
@mojewjewjew4420
@mojewjewjew4420 2 жыл бұрын
@@Marinealver Sound like US
@_DEX_-
@_DEX_- 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@schizoidboy
@schizoidboy Жыл бұрын
I remember from my Russian/Asia history course that the relations between Russia and China were always a bit tense. In the Imperial Russia days they were often extending their territory into Russia especially into Chinese territory.
@georgequalls5043
@georgequalls5043 Жыл бұрын
J William Fulbright pointed this out way back in the early 60s.
@kayzeaza
@kayzeaza 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is the best!
@hughmungus1767
@hughmungus1767 2 жыл бұрын
You are mistaken if you think tensions between the USSR and PRC only began after Stalin's death. I distinctly remember reading about a visit Mao made to Moscow in 1950. It was a lengthy visit that lasted several months. Mao spent most of it waiting to meet Stalin to discuss how the two nations should proceed. Stalin kept making excuses about how he had other more pressing matters to handle and Mao got seriously aggravated by being left to cool his heels. As I understand it, their personal relationship never recovered.
@michaelcutler5538
@michaelcutler5538 2 жыл бұрын
"If you wanna build a bunch of bunkers, you gotta break a few revisionists"- Enver Hoxha, probably
@michamalinowski8015
@michamalinowski8015 2 жыл бұрын
The Vietnam-Cambodia-China conflict would also be a interesting example.
@user-cx1ki8li4t
@user-cx1ki8li4t 2 жыл бұрын
The main reason is territorial disputes and ethnic contradictions, not communism.
@michamalinowski8015
@michamalinowski8015 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-cx1ki8li4t You can say the same about the examples in the video. You could say the devides were between pro-Soviet and pro-Chinese Asian countries.
@deanbuss1678
@deanbuss1678 3 жыл бұрын
David. You guys at CWC have really piqued my interest lately. Never had an idea that they're where such sharp fractures in the comm- block
@ShubhamMishrabro
@ShubhamMishrabro 3 жыл бұрын
Really? Where are you from cause I'm from india we are not surprised by this as we fought China even though both were socialist
@lachlanwilliams5818
@lachlanwilliams5818 2 жыл бұрын
This is the only time I've heard nukes referred to as buckets of sunshine.
@GaysianAmerican
@GaysianAmerican 2 жыл бұрын
Why was there unemployment and labor flight in yugoslavia? How does that work?
@panicatack6318
@panicatack6318 2 жыл бұрын
Economy growth was immense from 1950 to 1964 but still it wasn't enough to employ population. Prior WW2 Yugoslavia was one of the most poorest country in Europe. Although some regions (ex AU monarchy) were fairly good industrialized , the rest of Yugoslavia was mostly agrarian, poor, backwards, with high illiteracy rate among general population. Add the wartime devastation and it's clear that Yu haven't exactly best starting position in 1945.
@aa-wi3wt
@aa-wi3wt 2 жыл бұрын
Socialism with chinese characteristics was developed by Deng Xiaoping when he came to power, Mao practiced Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong thought
@rootin222
@rootin222 3 жыл бұрын
Hoxah was right, He liberated Albania without any foreign support and was the first liberated country in Europe
@BichaelStevens
@BichaelStevens 2 жыл бұрын
And Albanian capitalism proved that Albania has a human problem
@rootin222
@rootin222 2 жыл бұрын
@@___-cp6or Albania because of the communist policies today has 90% homeownership so I don’t know what you’re talking about
@user-cx1ki8li4t
@user-cx1ki8li4t 2 жыл бұрын
In addition, hoxah's academic thought has influenced many people, especially in Muslim areas.
@idiocrat3744
@idiocrat3744 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, can you please make a video about Red Army Faction, a guerilla organization in West Germany that lasted until 1998?
@Simon150999
@Simon150999 2 жыл бұрын
What myth of Communist Unity? I've always been raised with the idea that communists are always at odds with one another. There was a saying in my country that there were more communist parties than there were communists.
@EuropeanQoheleth
@EuropeanQoheleth 2 жыл бұрын
You'd think this myth would have gone away by now what with all the documentaries about it (and some of the cards in Twilight Struggle heh heh).
@theodorossarafis7370
@theodorossarafis7370 3 жыл бұрын
A major issue between tito and stalin was the support of yuhoslavia to the greek communistic during the greek civil war.
@sammunn5177
@sammunn5177 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video about unity/disunity amongst the Capitalist side in the Cold War?
@Marinealver
@Marinealver 3 жыл бұрын
That would be called France.
@MK_ULTRA420
@MK_ULTRA420 2 жыл бұрын
@@Marinealver lol this pretty much
@joma5721
@joma5721 2 жыл бұрын
You should fire whoever wrote that segment on the Sino-soviet split. It was full of distortions of truth, half truths and untruths.
@StalinTheMan0fSteel
@StalinTheMan0fSteel 3 жыл бұрын
You left out Mao's favorite name for Khrushchev.... "Trotsky"!
@peaceraybob
@peaceraybob 3 жыл бұрын
When did Ronnie Corbett migrate to the US?
@hughmungus1767
@hughmungus1767 2 жыл бұрын
I believe David, the host to which you seem to be referring, is Canadian, not American.
@yungtoolshed251
@yungtoolshed251 3 жыл бұрын
Are you guys going to do a deep dive on the cultural revolution in China? I can't find a ton of content about it on KZfaq.
@GAndreC
@GAndreC 2 жыл бұрын
And you won’t find it in any near future
@stopthesubversion2950
@stopthesubversion2950 2 жыл бұрын
Alexander Golitsyn., would say different
@thethirdjegs
@thethirdjegs 3 жыл бұрын
Nuclear explosions a.k.a buckets of sunshine
@Jshaw6614
@Jshaw6614 2 жыл бұрын
My new favorite quote from the King of Corn. "Isn't it better to have good gulash?"
@paulgaskins7713
@paulgaskins7713 3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure when your step daughter says icy she means like gucci mane icy
@jamesbarca7229
@jamesbarca7229 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have a reference for that? (1:18) Stalin wanted to expand communism and eventually take over western Europe. His expansionist ambitions discredit the argument that he was looking to establish a buffer between the USSR and its' enemies, afaic. He may have made that claim publicly for obvious reasons, but do you have any sources showing that was his actual thinking rather than expanding communism, which was always his goal from the very beginning? Do you really think he would have left eastern Europe alone except for the fact he was afraid of western Europe? I think not.
@12D_D21
@12D_D21 Жыл бұрын
While in the long term he might’ve wanted to expand communism, he knew he couldn’t just blitz into Western Europe, so he had to make buffer states. It’s the exact same geopolitical goal the Russian Empire had before the USSR, and it’s the exact same the Russian Federation has now.
@Spanishdog17
@Spanishdog17 3 жыл бұрын
And KZfaq shows that we still can't work together
@Marinealver
@Marinealver 3 жыл бұрын
Google, Twitter, Facebook, and Twitch cemented that fact.
@tompegorinno5141
@tompegorinno5141 2 жыл бұрын
Communist unity is like communists inside communists nations saying they're not communist enough.
@simplicius11
@simplicius11 2 жыл бұрын
The myth about Yugoslav market socialism.
@xowurb
@xowurb 2 жыл бұрын
You ware there? Your perspective is from the"first hand"?
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 3 жыл бұрын
I liked your phrase "buckets of sunshine."
@roguegenesis7020
@roguegenesis7020 3 жыл бұрын
I refuse to believe David and his step-daughters relationship is "icy"😤
@hughmungus1767
@hughmungus1767 2 жыл бұрын
That's not what he said. The icy relationship was between other people.
@okapijohn4351
@okapijohn4351 3 жыл бұрын
Please make a video about Portugal during the Cold War.
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@DrDarkEnergyInfinito
@DrDarkEnergyInfinito 2 жыл бұрын
What would be the left without in-fightin,am I right?
@Kabutoes
@Kabutoes 2 жыл бұрын
cambodia and china bloc (somalia, zapu, ) vs vietnam laos soviet union north korea cuba zanu angola vs yugoslavia theres a lot more in each side, but thats how i see the cold war communist relations
@LibertarianLeninistRants
@LibertarianLeninistRants 2 жыл бұрын
If only they could have gotten along better :(
@rodchallis8031
@rodchallis8031 3 жыл бұрын
Ideology in international politics was always a red herring. It's always about the ground: where it is and what's in it.
@antrim7008
@antrim7008 2 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not both the ussr and us knew what geopolitics were.
@ammarally3055
@ammarally3055 2 жыл бұрын
Ideology is very much a real force in geopolitics
@MrPigeonaids
@MrPigeonaids 2 жыл бұрын
Workers get profits and select managers? Sound great to me.
@GAndreC
@GAndreC 2 жыл бұрын
But how is the owner supposed to maximize his income if workers can afford to live semi comfortably with that job. This takes away the right of the owner to tank the business of labor, healthcare or import/export conditions change
@raymondhartmeijer9300
@raymondhartmeijer9300 2 жыл бұрын
@@GAndreC a worker-collective would be owned by the workers, instead of a single employer or (in large scale business) by the shareholders. The workers become the shareholders, at least for 51 procent, ofc. In fact there are hundreds of these worker co-ops in the US today
@19Koty96
@19Koty96 2 жыл бұрын
@A Velsen What you just said is an oxymoron. You essentially said that "maximising profit is reducing the profit". It is always about maximising profit, it just shows that happy worker is a more productive worker.
@raymondhartmeijer9300
@raymondhartmeijer9300 2 жыл бұрын
@A Velsen if capitalist production would not be about maximizing profit, then you can't explain why American companies would move their entire production to low-wage countries like China. Or why they would have nightshifts so machines can continue operating round the clock, or why they would search for new technologies or marketing strategies to beat their rivals
@raymondhartmeijer9300
@raymondhartmeijer9300 2 жыл бұрын
@A Velsen That's very naive, ofc big business is trying to please the consumer, but one has to take into account all the lenghts the capitalists go through to cut costs, ie. to enlarge the rate of their profits. That's why our phones are produced in China, our clothes in Bangladesh etc
@bhangrafan4480
@bhangrafan4480 2 жыл бұрын
What myth? Most people old enough to be alive at the time were vaguely aware of the divisions. I suppose there were some ignorant members of the US public who did not know about Yugoslavia, Romania, Albania and China having schisms with the USSR. US/UK diplomats certainly did know and sought to exploit it. The west tried to be big friends with these countries to weaken and divide the Communist world. In 1972 Nixon established a rather cynical alliance with Communist China against the USSR. The UK I remember sold military technology to the Romanians. Meanwhile the west courted Belgrade.
@melonshop8888
@melonshop8888 2 жыл бұрын
🌷🌸🌹🌼 CAPITALISM FOREVERE THE BEST SYSTEM.!!! 👍👍👍
@Vchk1917
@Vchk1917 2 жыл бұрын
Nope
@Redx6504
@Redx6504 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno man "socialism with Chinese characteristics" just sounds like national socialism by any other name to me.
@hanzup4117
@hanzup4117 3 жыл бұрын
Oh hey, Cold War. I was just thinking about you.
@TheSlizzer348
@TheSlizzer348 2 жыл бұрын
Man I loved this guy in school of rock
@infernosgaming8942
@infernosgaming8942 2 жыл бұрын
The history is good and all, but I'm really here to hear how you tell me to press the like, sub, and bell buttons.
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 2 жыл бұрын
just be sure to watch the video too!
@jaishriram8874
@jaishriram8874 3 жыл бұрын
5:03 Nehru 🤨🧐
@Enthos2
@Enthos2 2 жыл бұрын
it's funny that Mao is still revered in China despite the CCP doing exactly the sort of trend back towards consumerism that Mao criticized the Soviets for
@mrrrl795
@mrrrl795 2 жыл бұрын
MORE TITO AND YUGOSLAVIA VIDEOS!!!
@jmrrrdann3369
@jmrrrdann3369 3 жыл бұрын
Communist is the worst thing to happen to humanity
@illyrian44
@illyrian44 2 жыл бұрын
Albania
@jaishriram8874
@jaishriram8874 3 жыл бұрын
Buckets of sunshine 🌝🌞🤣
@ottovonbismarck1352
@ottovonbismarck1352 3 жыл бұрын
“A system that would come to be called socialism with Chinese characteristics” Wow how creative and catchy. Historians are great at giving names.
@kaavi1391
@kaavi1391 3 жыл бұрын
It was not named by historians but the Chinese leader deng Xiaoping himself.
@thatonedudebutwho9919
@thatonedudebutwho9919 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaavi1391 yeah that's why it's also called dengism
@kaavi1391
@kaavi1391 3 жыл бұрын
@@thatonedudebutwho9919 dengism is the best thing that ever happened to china.
@mikek5322
@mikek5322 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaavi1391 SPY!
@thatonedudebutwho9919
@thatonedudebutwho9919 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaavi1391 ok revisionist
@Flint_Ironstag
@Flint_Ironstag 3 жыл бұрын
The theme of today’s video: Mao was an idiot
@theawesomeman9821
@theawesomeman9821 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if the Soviets treated their fellow Communists as equals then the Communist world would be more united.
@GAndreC
@GAndreC 2 жыл бұрын
They didn’t have the industrial, population, agricultural or military base to be equals though. Never in our current recorded history have larger nations treated the small ones as equal just gone from unequal to not interested to somewhere in that ballpark
@lishiping84
@lishiping84 2 жыл бұрын
The Chinese communism movement, or more specifically, Mao's Communism movement, was totally off the chart of Stalin's plan from the very early stage in the 1920s. After the split between KMT and CCP. The leaders (most of them under the lead of Communist international) of CCP led a series of failed revolts in Guangzhou and other big cities (LIke what Russian did in 1917). But Mao just started his movement in the countryside. This is totally against Marxism and Stalin's plan. Later Stalin called Mao Margarine Communism. Also, USSR and China have differences during the Korean War.
@DimeTrombe
@DimeTrombe 3 жыл бұрын
Živeo bratstvo i jedinstvo SF/SN
@Eric0816
@Eric0816 2 жыл бұрын
Gorbachev: "Comrades, I pity the fool who makes the mistake of not improving this communism thing." Honecker: "Hwhat?" Ceaucescu: "Move aong, nothing to see here!"
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