Where can I find the picture at 10:27? I suspect that what is meant by sirens are actually the planets, and the whorls their orbits. If that is true, then Odysseus, the prototype for the soul which travels through Generation (waters), is warned against the sirens so as not to become entangled in them (in the spindle of necessity), for in it the soul will become chained to the fate weaved by the Three Fates (siren, from greek seiren, probably from seira, "chain, rope, order"), which leads to incarnation and becoming trapped in the cycle of reincarnations. But this is just a theory so far.

That's our native Pagan Spirit pining for us to return to accord with Divinity! If the "truth" written by any man does not align with the Truth written by God in Nature itself, it is no Truth that will nourish our souls, and bring us nearer to God, or The Gods. Our Soul gravitates to True Holiness! And the wisdom of the ancient Pagans and their mythologies is the greatest repository of Divine Truth through Human Eyes that I have found! Sorry for preaching, this recitation of the old master just got me pious as f**k, lol!

Yeah because youve been told this ever since

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Mine too!

Thanks, much appreciated.

Amen. Second the honor and gratitude!

This story is just one facet of Plato's treatment of the Soul's destiny/journey/transit or whatever. As layered and textured as his grand illustration of metempsychosis is, I'd like to see where these people have found his vision to have left off... Especially if this is a serious (not cynical) theological critique

@@Lu11abi there’s a stream of religious belief leading to Plato. Starting with Orpheus, a Thracian who was reverted by the Mycenaean Greeks shortly before the Trojan War, onto Pythagorus a 5th century BC genius. Plato was influenced by these people, and his belief in some kind of reincarnation is likely. It only gets downplayed and disregarded because most of his readership are scions of Abraham (Christians, Jews, Muslims) and don’t believe in reincarnation and don’t want to believe their precious philosopher Plato believed in such a thing.

Are you referring to the churning of the milky ocean? I hadn't considered that link.

@@TheModernHermeticist Im referring to his description of the higher worlds and lower worlds as well as when he references that everything in the universe turns in one direction but appears as if its going in another. If u look up "Vedic Universe Model" on KZfaq there's a video showing what the universe looks like according to those texts n it has a lot of similarities to the idea of the universe he's describing in this video its pretty cool

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I may consider doing the theme of the Charioteer one day - not sure about Parmenides though, i think it'd put a lot of people to sleep.

Glad it was helpful!

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My pleasure!

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More to come!

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Read Dante's Divine Comedy. Long, but worth the journey.

Hebrews 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

The Egyptian view of the judgment is under Osiris I believe

Read some of the writings of E. A.Wallis Budge.

excellent

I haven't heard of R.G. but I'm certainly familiar with the idea that both OT and NT compilers were living in a milieu where Hellenistic philosophy was inescapable. I've looked into links between, say, the book of Daniel and Hesiod's Works and Days, but I haven't gotten too much into the specifics in regards to Plato and OT so I'll check him out.

@@TheModernHermeticist Since you mention the New Testament and the syncretism that was going on during the periods when the New and Old Testaments came into being, I have to mention Philo of Alexandria, who is the most obvious forerunner to Christian theology that I've heard of. I'm sure you more about him than me, but his fusion of Stoicism, Platonism and Judaism was obviously carefully considered, but still 'organic' in the sense that it was completely sincere in its conception. I do think people like Joe Atwill and James Valiant are on to something though and that, when it comes to the literalisation of these metaphysical ideas which actually _is_ Christian dogma, there was a more conspiratorial aspect to all that which had to do with keeping more nationalist and purist Jewish factions in line. I think the connections of Philo's nephews to the Herods and Roman elites are a clue to that. I'm not saying that either Ellis, Valiant or Atwill are right about everything, and they seem to throw the baby out with bathwater by missing the syncretic aspect and assuming that Christian thought is just gobbledygook - at least Atwill and Ellis do, and Valiant is an atheist and Ayn Rand fan. But still, I think the general thesis is a no-brainer personally. I more recently heard of Russell Gmirkin's ideas, and i think they're interesting, but I can't see so much of an obvious motive for any social engineering because, while the universalism of the New Testament would suit the Romans and more cosmopolitan and Hellenised Jews, I don't see how the exclusivism of the OT would suit the Ptolemies. - Sorry if some of attempts at technical terms aren't quite right, but I hope you get the gist. Spellcheck doesn't like some of them, but I don't entirely trust it 😄

Hereat we confront mystery indeed!

Not a bad idea, I'll consider this.

@@TheModernHermeticist Yes, please. I decree it!

With images you say!? 👀👀

I'm not sure; it seems as if Necessity is above good (and lack of good) here, but I don't know if that's a correct assessment, especially since Justice seems to loom over, or be ontologically prior, to all of them (and this presumably is part and parcel of the form of the good).

​@@TheModernHermeticist Well it seems to me that the basic philosophical point of the Myth is the unity or cooperation of Justice and Necessity. The universe will eventually reveal the falsely pious and they will be punished. So I would agree that Justice is prior to Necessity, or else that Justice and Necessity are the same. However, what I find most interesting is this idea that the cosmos rests in lap of Necessity. This along with the fact that Plotinus characterises the One in feminine language would seem to indicate to me at least that Plato concieved of the supreme principle as Feminine. We can draw influences as we wish to this.

Obviously Zeus is also identified as the King of the Philosophers.

​@@peterclaassen8139 Justice, as well as all else determined by Her to be 'of necessity,' as with The Fates, is daughter too of Necessitas/Ananke. 'And 'twas found necessary that there BE Justice! And thus by edict of Necessity, it came-to-be that She did.' It can be observed dear Peter that, at times the setting-aside of Justice becomes done 'of necessity,' our own American Revolution having been but one such example of this; all of the King's Law, and all of the King's men having been set aside utterly/necessarily. 'Hope this fills-the-Gap where mostly conflation was before?

@@TheModernHermeticist Your first inclination would seem the one more likely. Consider -- 'It is necessary that there BE justice, and there- for came it into being, as Necessity did mandate from knowing.' Of all things experiential as actually self-proving, the existence and actions of Necessitas/Ananke, prove always the most easily enjoyed. (Please see below, M.H., my comment made in re- sponse to that of dear Peter Classen's?)

Have you read 'Coincidance' by Robert Anton Wilson? He makes a fascinating dive into Joyce and 'Finnegan's Wake'. He likens it to holographic prose. Maybe he was channeling Thoth. It is assuredly dense with archetypal imagery and internally self-referential sentence structure.

@@lairdhaynes1986 I know RAW's work on Joyce, quite good. The problem with Joyce is similar to Shakespeare, which is, you referenced the self reflexivity, Joyce's text seems more aware of its critics than the critics seem of the text. And so often in engaging with the Wake, folks become characters in it, they subconsciously enact parts of the book. Joyce himself said creating the work was a magical operation. Strangely enough, often he would mention people and read days later about their death. And the Egyptian Book of the Dead was a main intertext. Another problem is Jung himself. You mentioned archetypal psychology, that is, Jung. Jung developed his own theories in a kind of mental struggle with Joyce. Reading Joyce's Ulysses psychologically broke Jung down to the point he had to write a letter about it. Much of his later work came out of that struggle. Later Campbell derived the idea of the 'monomyth' or heroes journey from the Wake. The only problem is that in so doing Campbell became a 'Shaun the Postman' figure, oversimplifying Joyce's ideas and then passing them off as his own to make a "his money and mark." Jung was also obsessed with any occult ideas he could use to justify his own incontinence, malice, stupidity and beastiality. The crux of the biscuit is that Joyce is the reigning intellectual and artistic king. He consciously chose to become that person, and then did. Those who choose not to engage with his work manage to pull of a great feat of human depravity: being simultaneously arrogant and insecure. Television is a major theme in the Wake, although television was not invented when he was writing. Monomyth, quark: just two words that came from the Wake. If you observe these things long enough, you will find that all so called criticism of Joyce devolves into a bitter, insecure tirade against his obscurity and a passive aggressive o-well-i-dont-know-i-just-like-things-you-can-actually-understand scoffing. Its strange, because all of the most intelligent people, along with all the filthiest people, love Joyce. It's just the middle brow, bourgeois and literary (i.e. people who believe in the power of the work of Jonathan Franzen) types that are frankly intimidated by Joyce's sense of humor.

I do love Joyce, but I tend to leave the reading of Joyce to the pros. There's some really good radio play productions out there made with really enthusiastic Irish readers and they're just delightful.

@@TheModernHermeticist Give this a shot. It's a full marathon reading of the Wake by an Italian comedian. ubu.com/sound/joyce_fw.html Joyce himself said one should listen to rather than read the work. "List! O list!" -WS Ulysses also manages to be simultaneously an episode of Seinfeld and a complete education in Western culture. And Dubliners-when it comes to pure, beautiful, literary sentences . . . A very underrated book. Anyways, I love you Danny boy. Keep the well frothing.

@@TheModernHermeticist Also, the Wake is far from high-brow "highbrew" as the Wake would have it, punning on Hebrew and alcoholic beverages. For example, the lyricist for the Grateful Dead was a great Joycean. I encourage you to explore the Wake because, given your background, you will get a lot of laughs and more than a few wows.

It's with an Eta, which is not a u sound.

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@@TheModernHermeticist all we are is dust in the wind, man

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@@TheModernHermeticist whoooaaaaa

It’s up to us to ignore it I guess… that’s what I tell myself