The ‘mythical’ vanished island scientists think is real | ABC News

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28 күн бұрын

The mythical story about the lost island of Teonimenu has been told for generations in central Solomon Islands. Scientists now believe this oral history is actually a credible record of a sudden, catastrophic event which caused the island to disappear several hundred years ago. They believe they’ve pinpointed the exact location of Teonimenu and what likely caused it to sink into the ocean forever.
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@CaravelClerihew
@CaravelClerihew 26 күн бұрын
A really well made piece on an interesting subject! I'd like to see more stuff like this.
@darryl1617
@darryl1617 26 күн бұрын
Fascinating. Highlights the importance of oral tradition and culture.
@fossilmatic
@fossilmatic 13 күн бұрын
It’s a balance between “science corroborating oral history”, and “oral history informing scientific inquiry”. Ownership of the “truth” is often the basis of moral power and determinism. It cuts both ways and needs to be subject to constant challenge to avoid dogma.
@rlt9492
@rlt9492 11 күн бұрын
Aboriginal Australians have oral legend about land that is now the Coral Sea, with detailed information about its features which are now reefs, that means that this information has been carried for at least 12,000 years, so a few hundred years is easy.
@gozznut
@gozznut 13 күн бұрын
I used to work in bathymetric survey. Seeing the reporter draw on the bathy chart with red Sharpy made me flinch 😫
@tainedonovan4983
@tainedonovan4983 21 күн бұрын
A similar natural event highly likely happened to Hawaiki. Can't be found on a map yet my ancestors voyaged to Aotearoa from there.
@bunyipdragon9499
@bunyipdragon9499 26 күн бұрын
Some of the aboriginal oral history has been proven to based in fact. One story (I think in Queensland) has been shown to be telling the story of a specfic sea flood some thousands of years ago. What fascinates me is how little the stories seem to change over so many generation's that actual history can be found and proven.
@davespanksalot8413
@davespanksalot8413 26 күн бұрын
It’s amazing how oral traditions can keep knowledge going in one form or another for possibly up to tens of thousands of years! It’s sad to lose so much of that oral history. There’s a fascinating story on the ABC website with the title: “Research findings back up Aboriginal legend on origin of Central Australian palm trees” The scientific world is stunned by research which backs an Aboriginal legend about how palm trees got to Central Australia. Several years ago Tasmanian ecologist David Bowman did DNA tests on palm seeds from the outback and near Darwin. A striking example of how traditional ecological knowledge can inform and enhance scientific research. The results led him to conclude the seeds were carried to the Central Desert by humans up to 30,000 years ago. Professor Bowman read an Aboriginal legend recorded in 1894 by pioneering German anthropologist and missionary Carl Strehlow, which was only recently translated, describing the "gods from the north" bringing the seeds to Palm Valley.
@slappy8941
@slappy8941 2 күн бұрын
Generation's? Who taught you how to use apostrophes? They don't make words plural.
@suatchaglan7446
@suatchaglan7446 2 күн бұрын
@@slappy8941is that what you took from that comment huh…
@stretchedandy
@stretchedandy 14 күн бұрын
Many people don't dismiss biblical stories why should we dismiss oral Histories of Pacific nations?
@davepowell7168
@davepowell7168 2 күн бұрын
Hebrew myth is just that
@paulinebell4873
@paulinebell4873 26 күн бұрын
using science to corroborate oral history is a thought provoking cocept
@meks6857
@meks6857 13 күн бұрын
My partner is a geneticist and has worked with the people of Pukapuka. She found some very interesting results and relayed the findings back to them. An elder told her the story of how their people first came to the island and it lined up with the results of the research. Being Pacific Islanders ourselves, and raised with oral traditions, we found it so cool confirming an old Polynesian story with science.
@rlt9492
@rlt9492 11 күн бұрын
It’s a great combination
@davepowell7168
@davepowell7168 2 күн бұрын
Inbreeding and seismic myths are related? Interesting
@pawfeirefin4048
@pawfeirefin4048 16 күн бұрын
I agree that we should consider the stories of our forebears! I reckon the disappearance of Atlantis (an even older memory of our ancestors) had more to do with the isostatic (post-glacial) rebounding of the land under the Laurentide Ice Sheet. As the ice melted, the rebounding could have caused isostatic depression or some sort of of corresponding drawing-down force on the Mid-Atlantic. Simply put, with the great weight removed, the north of North America went up and the Azores area went down. Atlantis disappeared not so much from sea level rise but from land level fall. Maybe this happened slowly, but - if the stories are to be believed - it could have happened suddenly if the North American rebound was also sudden, as it would be from a hypothesised comet impact on the glacier. It was strange commenting on an ABC video. How gracious of you to enable comments!
@stephenbachman132
@stephenbachman132 9 күн бұрын
2:30 you know 9 meters isn't that deep you could dive the location with cameras and find it
@finalfrontier1124
@finalfrontier1124 7 күн бұрын
Of course they know its there, its use as a lived on island is what remained unknown
@gerrimilner9448
@gerrimilner9448 2 күн бұрын
Tolkien said that many old wives tales are stories the wise should have remembered
@simzpilot704
@simzpilot704 Күн бұрын
You need to investigate Hy Brasil next. An island off the west coast of Ireland that is shown on old maps, and even on old globes in the Vatican. The island does not exist today
@stephenbachman132
@stephenbachman132 9 күн бұрын
Out of curiosity and nothing else. Why didn't scientist believe oral stories. Facts for example easy ones. 1. We know mount Gambia an Mount Shank use to be inhabited by Aboriginals. They stated what happened in their oral history. An we know Mount Gambier errupted about 10,000 years ago an Mount Shank Errupted about 5000 years ago. Mount Shank being the most recent in Australian history on the mainland. 2. We know 13,000 years ago there was a melting of the ice age which caused a massive world wide flood. This drowned Dwarka a Indian religiously important city an every culture on Earth had a flood story even the Aboriginals. So we know this actually happened. 3. We know a City called Atlantis existed at one point was likely a trade island in the Greek archipelago which probably errupted an flattened the island leaving no trace of its existence. Yes i will conceed the story puts it closer to Africa but what African city has ever had a Greek name so i don't agree with that. 4. Troy once thought a Myth proven to exist. 5. Jericho thought o be a myth proven to exist an have its walls crumbled or been climbed over. So again with all this evidence showing over 5 cases or stories proven true. Which is a gold standard in evidence based practice. How can anyone dismiss a story told in oral tradition.
@snowmiaow
@snowmiaow 13 сағат бұрын
Self importance
@Dreamer10888
@Dreamer10888 26 күн бұрын
Finally get to comment on a abc news video
@ragukamp3903
@ragukamp3903 26 күн бұрын
Great work
@lulumoon6942
@lulumoon6942 4 сағат бұрын
This is why i trust oral traditional cultures more than contemporary ones.
@danidejaneiro8378
@danidejaneiro8378 26 күн бұрын
I adore the ABC - what an amazing piece. Thanks.
@davepowell7168
@davepowell7168 2 күн бұрын
Fake news is easier to spot after we have learnt the alphabet
@michellebwilson2610
@michellebwilson2610 10 сағат бұрын
Great story, good work restoring the history
@ronnie-being-ronnie
@ronnie-being-ronnie 2 күн бұрын
The part of the story that mentioned the giant waves backs up the geologic slippage. The vast quantity of falling debris creates a surge of water. If the island came apart in eight breaks, there would have been eight big waves of water surging up.
@snowmiaow
@snowmiaow 13 сағат бұрын
Excellent video
@SlytherinReviews
@SlytherinReviews 26 күн бұрын
They might want to send a Sonar Device down to where the island is as I think there is more going on than what is told, like a giant lava tube and such
@cynthiaahern9081
@cynthiaahern9081 3 күн бұрын
Fascinating video.❤
@damink_8508
@damink_8508 12 күн бұрын
Some Maori settlers (NZ) came directly from islands that sank or were sinking.
@bugmouthready529
@bugmouthready529 12 күн бұрын
Are you referring to the mythical land of Hawaiki?
@damink_8508
@damink_8508 12 күн бұрын
@@bugmouthready529 Hawaiki is not a mythical place but the lands Polynesians lived in before settling the Pacific. However to answer your question, maybe. I know some lands sank, but I think Hawaiki still stands. The Hawaiki my ancestors migrated from was destroyed by war. My ancestors being some of the last to leave before our lands were eventually lost . I think nowadays all lands Maori moved from are considered Hawaiki but this is not the case traditionally. There are also 3 Hawaiki so that adds complication (Hawaiki's roa, nui, pamamao) But know of people moving to these lands because theirs were suffering war, famine, disease, poverty, seeking shelter, seeking family and also the sinking of their lands. It doesn't help we named most lands we moved to after those we left. Hawaiki, Hawaii, Savaii, Havai etc
@liveletlive0regrets
@liveletlive0regrets 23 сағат бұрын
Beautiful people. Thank God they made it off the island. Such a tale to pass on. And sharing it with all of us.
@MartineH1
@MartineH1 2 күн бұрын
Don't believe that it sank at once. And therefore people left before it desappeared.
@scpops
@scpops 24 күн бұрын
Great to see Professor Paddy Nunn still doing what he loves!
@danielgrove7782
@danielgrove7782 17 минут бұрын
Im the kind of guy that could live in a culture like this
@Itssmial_Ova
@Itssmial_Ova 13 күн бұрын
"I think there's a tendency for western science and historians to dismiss these things as kind of fantasy as myth or legend" Completely incorrect in Modernity. Maybe historically people would dismiss local legend and myth, But nowdays the FIRST thing historians do in those parts of the world is seek out the stories and oral histories for analysis. Almost all Historians agree that Myth and Legend can often be rooted in reality, There's a whole science called Comparative mythology that's been employed for decades as a tool for analysis and academic purposes. The great tragedy about the Solomons is much of the Oral History was lost during the period where the Europeans pillaged the islands for Slaves. It's essential that those remaining stories are sought out before they disappear.
@pervertt
@pervertt 9 күн бұрын
Contact between Pacific islanders with Europeans certainly had its drawbacks, but it wasn't all bad. For one, Europeans often codified languages into written form. This allowed languages and oral traditions that might have otherwise died out to be preserved. The Chinese have a saying: "The faintest ink is superior to the strongest memory".
@llywrch7116
@llywrch7116 2 күн бұрын
Or the island's disappearance could be explained by several tsunami.
@stopthecrazyguy9948
@stopthecrazyguy9948 20 сағат бұрын
earthquakes cause tsunamis
@stephenbachman132
@stephenbachman132 9 күн бұрын
I didn't know a island could sink. I thought volcano
@TheAshCooper
@TheAshCooper 22 сағат бұрын
A memory and a oral story. Are not the same. For it to be a memory. Someone must have survived it to remember it.
@jeanneferguson7124
@jeanneferguson7124 Күн бұрын
Facinating.
@PhilGreer100
@PhilGreer100 7 күн бұрын
Perhaps this is what happened to Atlantis.
@heatherturner2366
@heatherturner2366 2 күн бұрын
Atlantis was destroyed due to greed and forgoing the gods
@heatherturner2366
@heatherturner2366 2 күн бұрын
Also there's reason to believe Atlantis sunk around the time of Moses and the exodus
@LordDustinDeWynd
@LordDustinDeWynd 2 күн бұрын
If it's FOUND, it's not MYTHICAL, it's FACTUAL. Simple ideas for the simple-minded.
@businessswot1003
@businessswot1003 14 сағат бұрын
Shangrila shambala must be research
@FrithonaHrududu02127
@FrithonaHrududu02127 Күн бұрын
Thats wacky. Nine meters to Six kilometers. Im American so whats that like 3 cubits to a half a parsec?
@SUCCESSPASS
@SUCCESSPASS 23 күн бұрын
Does that mean the Solomon Islands are unstable?
@rlt9492
@rlt9492 11 күн бұрын
Probably some of the smaller islands yeah.
@Biggoy
@Biggoy 12 күн бұрын
Can you do one on the ancient aryan story of Atlantis please?
@kwarrior2895
@kwarrior2895 2 күн бұрын
Atlantis is in Africa Mauritania Adjacent to the "Atlas" mountains.
@NKiani
@NKiani 12 сағат бұрын
Aryans we’re not originally white
@CaptainRedBeardarrr
@CaptainRedBeardarrr 4 сағат бұрын
If only the rest of the ABC had some substance to it..
@dalesmth1
@dalesmth1 2 күн бұрын
I’m surprised they didn’t try to blame this on climate change. 🙄
@heatherturner2366
@heatherturner2366 2 күн бұрын
It's ABC Australia not CNN
@user-bx3zz9cx3y
@user-bx3zz9cx3y Күн бұрын
That would mean they would have to admit climate change is a natural phenomenon and not created by man. It doesn’t fit their narrative. No cars or cow farms back then.
@dimazandhika
@dimazandhika 7 сағат бұрын
They dont vanished but rejected collonials country😂
@marianmartinez1494
@marianmartinez1494 26 күн бұрын
also rising sea levels.
@pageup213
@pageup213 26 күн бұрын
But no, let's make a story blaming a woman for infidelity - women, so powerful they can control the sea levels of Earth!
@timsimmons5190
@timsimmons5190 14 күн бұрын
So is this where the missing Malaysian flight landed ?
@andrewblack7852
@andrewblack7852 3 күн бұрын
So narcissistic to kill everyone just because your wife left you!!!
@katsgrin6781
@katsgrin6781 9 сағат бұрын
Lmao right as soon as it got to that point i was like wonder why she left
@bandittelevision
@bandittelevision 9 күн бұрын
You cant loose an island, nor find a lost one 😂
@knivesloveliberty9329
@knivesloveliberty9329 16 сағат бұрын
It’s always over a woman ain’t it. 😂
@user-sn2oq4qt7b
@user-sn2oq4qt7b 2 күн бұрын
The story sounds fake its as if sank overnight.. Its very gradual to a point that u can have enough time to leave safely
@matthewreinke1569
@matthewreinke1569 6 күн бұрын
fasinating! Oral histories are often ridiculed, but this sex scandal might be within days of disaster thus attributed! wonder what deviations or other stories there are.
@channelKJM
@channelKJM 26 күн бұрын
Western science finally catching up 🙄 still told with an under current of condescension, with the added total and complete disrespect of absolutely zero attempt to pronounce place names in our languages correctly.
@darkbearmoon
@darkbearmoon 16 күн бұрын
Unfortunately it's often quite difficult for some languages to pronounce words from another
@channelKJM
@channelKJM 16 күн бұрын
@@darkbearmoon not true in this case. Each sound can be re-created from sounds used in the english language. And it is very apparent when people make absolutely no attempt like this guy.
@Sgt.chickens
@Sgt.chickens 14 күн бұрын
​@channelKJM Nobody cares. Pronunciation isnt important.
@NKiani
@NKiani 12 сағат бұрын
You know it, these people are insufferable
@susanandrews2294
@susanandrews2294 Күн бұрын
....and as always, it's the woman's fault, lol.... Scientists need to pay more attention to oral history. The Innu knew for centuries where the ships of the Franklin expedition sank, and told tales of it in their oral history, but it wasn't until quite recently that The Erebus and The Terror were found, thanks to scientists finally listening.
@desireepeters7520
@desireepeters7520 13 сағат бұрын
It's called the act of God, he can do all and he can destroy all that he's created, always believe in the Holy Father, God bless all of us in the world we call home together ✝️🇺🇸❤️
@RichardMaginnis
@RichardMaginnis 26 күн бұрын
The Whole World reports such an Island that vanishes & not surprising & God Bless Australia & New Zealand & Everyone who Loves Jesus Christ Who Wants to Save ❤
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