The odds of Yoda being a Ketamine addict and getting shot to death while attempting to rob mc Donalds are low but never zero

A misconception I want to debunk is Ahsoka and Qui Gon are not grey Jedi. They are true Jedi.

While I agree that Anakin had an unhealthy obsession with Padme that certainly contributed to his fall to the dark side, I'd argue the fact that he was manipulated by Sidious over the course of 13 years was a much larger factor.

Remember that time in comics sidious had dooku reroute an ENTIRE battalion to one hodunk planet with no strategic value just to kill one padawan and his master because they thought to test everyone in the senate for midicloreans?

The dark side can’t be destroyed. Everyone-Forceful or not-have darkness within them. What makes a person who they are is whether or not they let it overwhelm them.

I remember Qui Gon about being a Jedi “..it’s a hard life.”

Hot take: Both the Sith and Jedi orders died on Russan.

One of my favorite lines from The Clone Wars Ahsoka:”I quit being a Jedi.” The Sisters:”You can quit being a Jedi?!”

People: the Jedi are incompetent The thousands of generations they protected: are we a joke to you?

Jedi would often use the line 'There is no emotion, there is peace' as a mantra when trying to calm themselves down when angry or scared. Honestly seems like clear evidence that it was less about restricting emotion and more about keeping themselves from freaking out and doing something they could regret.

I think the core issue with the Hate against the Jedi is that most people don't truly get that being a Jedi is not simply being a mere "Space Cop". Jedi are the Elite of the Elite, they're tasked with safeguarding an ENTIRE GALAXY, noy just some neighborhood. The responsibility they carry on their backs is so big, that they cannot strive towards anything less than perfect. It sounds radical but it has to be. You cannot fight pure evil with a bit of good. The problem is that most people head canon themselves as Jedi, but they don't want to give up a large percent of their humanity. They want to be the saviors of the Galaxy, but they also want their Sunday lunches with their families. In short, people want everything, and I'm sorry to break it to you, but you can't have everything in life. Life is about choice, and the Jedi choose to put everything before themselves, so much, that they're willing to give up their chance at a normal life, to keep you safe, even if you hate them. And for such selfless sacrifice, the Jedi will always have my respect, no matter how flawed they may be

Thanks, I have to admit it was nice to see a solid argument for the jedi since it seems like every edge lord on the internet is hellbent on tearing them down

As Lucas’s DVD commentaries make clear, he based the Jedi religion on Zen Buddhism. Buddhists and Jedi have a specific definition of attachment-the inability to let go of people and things, and the selfish need to posses. Shmi demonstrates how to love without being attached by allowing Anakin to leave her and be freed. The prequels also show us attachment, where horrible actions are taken in the name of people who would never have approved. KZfaq has tons of videos on Zen Buddhism. They’re a good place to start if you want to understand the Jedi.

Yes, ISB agent. This guy right here.

Jude Watson's Jedi Apprentice series had a great understanding of what "There is no emotion, there is peace". In one chapter, Qui-Gon was described as looking at his feelings as a Jedi would: accepting it as being there, analyze why it was there, realising the implications and follies from this emotion, then let it go. This is what was meant by "there is no emotion, there is peace".

I'll admit, this video did make me rethink my thoughts on the Jedi Order a bit, although I still feel like they're a little flawed. In regards to their thoughts on attachments, I completely get why they use the methods they use, although I personally believe they aren't focusing on the effects of attachments in the right way. Instead of trying to prevent/limit strong attachments to avoid the effects those attachments have on a Jedi, they should've focused on helping Jedi be able to react to such losses or fears of loss rather than leaving it to the person suffering such losses. After all, the desire to protect someone out of the fear of losing them, as well as grief and its stages, are in my opinion two of the deadliest corrupting influences a Jedi can fall to. Plus those attachments are undeniably important even though the emotions driven by them can cause the Dark Side to fester within someone, but it doesn't help when someone who HAS those kinds of attachments has no appropriate or healthy way to react to the fears of those attachments being severed or the actual severance of attachments. Anakin in my eyes doesn't just represent how important adherence to the Jedi Code really is, but also how the Jedi kind of failed to properly help Anakin, although in fairness to them, he didn't tell the Order about the things that would end up pushing him over the edge, such as the death of his mother and the fear of losing Padmé, but the point still stands that the Order could've done better with someone like Anakin. If you ask me, the Jedi were right in their ideas and most of their practices, but some practices were *just* imperfect enough to bring things crashing down.

"Jedi temple a safe welcoming place" *Looks at anakin being called a slave to his emotions and shunned by other younglings* Sure welcoming lol

I feel like videos like these are extremely important in and for the Star Wars fandom because it is insane how much Anti-Jediism there is among fans and how badly it’s expressed by them, especially in misinterpretations and how hollowly they think about them before coming to a conclusion or something. What’s worse is that more or less of these Jedi criticisms by fans seem to sound suspiciously a lot like Sidious’s claims, a Dark Lord of the Sith who sought to destroy the Jedi reputation intentionally as much as he could. When somebody says the Jedi are evil and genuinely believe it, it’s like, you do realize that Darth Sidious is still the *bad guy,* right? Imperfection doesn’t necessarily mean shithead.

When I consider how the Jedi are at the peak of their connection to the Light Side of the Force, I get to thinking of the ancient Greek philosophical school of Stoicism. It is a school of thought that emphasizes virtue as being the ultimate good, that the things outside of one's own control ought to be regarded as 'indifferents' and that the thing we are most in control of is how we respond to the events around us. The concept of 'Logos' that they also espoused has its parallels with the Force. Like the Jedi, the Stoics also face misconceptions about them that their teachings revolve around not feeling your emotions... after all, emotion is natural, and what is natural is more or less one of those things outside one's own control. Feeling the feelings is fine (after all, Obi Wan Kenobi certainly felt strong feelings of broken heartedness upon seeing how far Anakin had fallen, which he cries out after cutting Anakin apart from the high ground)... it's the extent to which we let those feelings have free reign over our minds that is the issue. Do you let those emotions consume you? Or do you step back within your own mind and consciousness and observe how you feel and whether or not it serves the ultimate good (which is virtue) to surrender to that emotion.

A big thing I see is people blaming the Jedi for the evil actions of the Sith. It’s interesting that Sith propaganda works even on people in the real world because that result is exactly what the Sith wanted in the galaxy.

Yeah but they could at least send someone to buy the Shmi Skywalker from Watto and find her a better place to live. That would make Anakin more attached to order and maybe even abandon some of his noble but illegal plans.

The Jedi Order were a organization that if legends were taken as truth they are older than the Galactic Republic’s itself, and no doubt they survive thru those years with knowledge of the threats that the Dark Side poses.

semi joke comment here, can we talk about how duchess satine had a "nephew" that looked like a perfect mix between her and obi wan

A few Jedi have told Ahsoka and Anakin at different times to recognize their negative emotion, acknowledge and then let it flow through.

Totally agree, I get quite annoyed when some people say that balance of the force means balancing dark and light. Dark side is specifically *disturbance* in the force. Aka, it's things going out of balance. No matter how you use dark side, it always adds up to more unbalance.

Coming back to this video again... I do get to thinking about how the relationship between Anakin Skywalker and Padme was a terrible idea from the start. Unfortunately it was because they were preparing to die in the Petranaki Arena that it could even happen. Up to that point even Anakin despite his strong feelings had agreed not to go ahead... but believing they were about to get torn to shreds by an acklay within the next couple of minutes put things in perspective, which ironically sealed Anakin's fate. Of course, this doesn't mean that every romantic relationship was doomed to send a Jedi to the Dark Side. Take Revan and Bastila Shan for example... it was their love for each other that ultimately saved each other from the Dark Side (especially Bastila), and while Revan was hiding in a cave on Dromund Kaas, pictures of Bastila served to help comfort him despite knowing that he might never see her again or ever meet their son. Of course, it helps that theirs' was a healthier relationship than the one between Anakin and Padme. Of course... given how open ended SWtOR is, ships in that game are ambiguous when it comes to whether or not they actually would have happened but my Jedi Knight certainly had a healthy relationship with Kira Carsen... even though her background as daughter of Sith from Dromund Kaas and a former Child of the Emperor made it impossible for them to apply for the exemption to the general rule the Order had against Jedi romance. The reunion at the end of the main storyline in Onslaught demonstrated that despite her longing so badly to go back to him, she still nonetheless maintained her Jedi resolve, even with only Lord Scourge, a Sith as company while they engaged on their own quest to help ensure the Emperor never returns. Also, while it has been relegated to Legends, Kyle Katarn eventually engaged in a romance with his partner in crime and pilot Jan Ors and stayed on the straight and narrow regardless. Granted that was under Luke Skywalker's Jedi Order which did not restrict romantic relationships, as he himself had one of the most legendary Jedi romances with Mara Jade, and it was their budding relationship that helped her overcome Palpatine's influence and go down the path of a Jedi. There is also the Green Jedi, Corellia's own distinct offshoot of the Jedi Order, who never forbade romance... as many of their ranks were from prominent Corellian aristocracy and were concerned with maintaining their family bloodlines. Of course, in that context they likely viewed marriage the way that feudal dynasties of our medieval era did... a business transaction... so not a whole lot of room for forming attachments compared to the average person. I certainly do understand why the post-Ruusan Jedi Order right up to the Clone Wars were so hellbent on forbidding romance amongst their ranks... the example of Anakin Skywalker is the most blatant example of what it was they were trying to protect the galaxy from by enacting that rule. And despite all of that, Obi Wan Kenobi did love Duchess Satine that way. He was even willing to leave the life of a Jedi behind if she asked him to. Though it seems to have been more of a benefit to the galaxy that she did not take that step and he remained committed to the Jedi. That said... it was far from the only way to deal with some of the icky things that romance draws out that, if left unchecked can lead to the Dark Side. Hell... the last example I will present is not a Jedi at all (well... former Jedi)... Jaesa Willsaam... the former Padawan of the Jedi Master Nomen Karr and Sith apprentice to the Sith Warrior who would come to be known as the Empire's Wrath. My Sith Warrior did pursue this relationship and it led to her deciding she wasn't going to do that typical Sith act of betraying her master to usurp his position because she loved him. Such an un-Sith-like attitude she has taken despite how wholeheartedly she otherwise embraced the Dark Side... the complete opposite to Darth Malgus, who murdered Eleena Daru, because he figured that his love for her made him weak, inhibited his connection to the Dark Side.

Any chance that penchant for unhealthy attachment sprung in part from the trauma of slavery? It seems to me the tragedy of Anakin is that he was the most powerful slave in the Galaxy, he was born to servitude, his final salvation and freedom manifested in the same moment.

Geetsly's: *Debunks misconceptions about the Jedi Order* Generation Tech: He can't do that, shoot him or something!

I find it so disheartening that some people actually think that Sith were in the right.

Hot Star Wars take: People hate the Jedi because they are a imperfect solution to a imperfect universe and don’t want to admit the dark side would turn them evil if they were force users.

It’s honestly amazing to watch different you tubers opinions on Star Wars politics. There’s everything from straight up empire supporters, CIS lovers, and Jedi lackeys like what we have here

The Jedi after hearing theory about them being morally wrong: are we the baddies?

I think this quote from Mace Windu sums up your last couple points nicely... It's a shame more people don't know how Windu was really like and just go by the Canon perception of him. "Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. We fight for justice because justice is the fundamental bedrock of civilization: an unjust civilization is built upon sand. It does not long survive a storm."

While most of the rules the original Jedi made had the right ideas on most fronts they still have flaws in them that don't take into account on how different forms of negative emotions and selfish desires can manifest and what the Jedi during the PT did to enforce them certainly only made them worst or at least not any better. For example not having any attachments can lead into lack of empathy and understanding to people who aren't like you thus at best making one ignorant as well as out of touch of the outside world and at worst arrogant and thinking you're better then people who have attachments. It's especially bad for force users who have different ways of handling emotions and stress then others like Anakin. Just because the practice they had worked for some Jedi doesn't mean it'll work for all of them. It's why a lot of people say the Jedi Order was just as responsible for Anakin's fall to the dark side because yes a lot of his fall was due to his choices, what the Jedi order did at the time did not help matters as they should have, thus they share the same blame for Darth Vader's creation as Anakin. In the end despite them having superhuman powers they're still not perfect beings and yes they have the right intentions and goals no one can deny that. The problem is that by becoming too legalistic and not willing to think twice about does it make sense to enforce this rule or not they've only created a new set of problems for themselves and everyone else around them.

"The Force has a will, and that is abhorrent to me." -Kreia

I don't know why that was really impactful to me... However, I'm 34 years old. I spent 5 years in the marines from when I was 17-22 and did 2 tours of Iraq. When you said it was something only the galactic masses had the right to do it hit me so hard. I participated in the Iraq war although i was against it. And it always hurt me everything that happened then and it hurts me even more everything that's happened now. However, our job wasn't to stop everything bad nor could it be. However, by going in initially we caused so much more suffering and pain as well as many common current evils such as ISIS by the mere fact that we tried to make it so. It's pretty crazy to read about this fiction that was a parallel to life in the past and is still such a parallel to life currently. I wish I could explain this better but the relationship between all this hit me really hard.

After watching the cinema therapy video about BPD and researching a bit myself in ways to cope with BPD the jedi code sounds an awful lot like those coping options. Meditating / Using senses to help yourself through emotional times or panic / anger and the likes. I think if they would have explained their methods, maybe it may have helped too. Instead of keeping it a "must" and encourage it as an option for emotional coping rather than something force related. But then again. Instead of just coping and fighting the symptoms, one should instead focus on preventing the causes. Like instead of invalidating someone's struggles, the world could begin to listen. Instead of ripping apart bonds to develop a fear of loss, they could encourage healthy bondage.

Sometimes I think the biggest problem with the Jedi Code is the wording. Would it not be harder for the fans to get wrong if it was written thusly? "Act not from emotion, but from peace" "Act not from ignorance, but from knowledge" "Act not with passion, but with serenity" "Where there is chaos, bring harmony" "In life and death, there is the Force"

I don’t think the Jedi way was at fault it was just that the Jedi at the time were not the best. That’s my take on the Jedi.

"Why they, on an ideological level, are right." - Yeah, but the problem here is that the Jedi are organics, not perfect beings. And as organics - even the "Jedi are supposed to be better" ones, they still make mistakes. Solid video. I'm not sure if I agree with your use of Anakin being the voice of reason about "no emotion/peace." The kid twisted a lot of the Code to his own world-vie, and it's arguable that this scene was a teen trying to get into the pants of a girl he liked. The Jedi version. I DO agree with you about what that line of the Code truly means. I'd argue that there would be some Jedi who didn't use it like that though, and they would instead smack a Padawan/Knight down on any type of attachment even if the younger Jedi was able to feel and then let the emotions go. If I was to lay blame at the Jedi's feet for the Anakin becomes Vader thing, it would be about HOW they spoke to him. I think an argument could be made that Anakin needed a far more detailed and brutal discussion on where he was likely to end up if he didn't stop himself but got more platitudes and "cookie-cutter" phrases instead. BUT. I fully admit that I also doubt such a conversation would have worked without divine intervention. In modern terms, Anakin is that party hard, sex hard, drink and drugs hard person who is self-destructing but refuses to see they have an issue. The ones who even interventions don't always help because they don't want to change/help themselves. "Attached to an unhealthy degree." And that's the big issue. If a Jedi is able to accept loss, there's nothing stopping them from having a loving family (Luke-Mara), but you can't tell until you're in that situation and the Jedi would rather not risk it. But this is still what the attachment mantra is SUPPOSED to be, and I will argue that many Jedi ignore the unhealthy caveat. Still, a solid video. Nice work.

"The road to ruin, is paved with best intentions"

The Jedi had their flaws and failures for sure, but as a whole, they were always just trying to help and do the right thing when they could. The Clone Wars actually shows the best and worst of the Jedi. We see their very good points, saving many innocents during the war, but also they're bad with some really dumb decisions the whole Ahsoka trail fiasco being a big one. Also, I know I'm probably gonna annoy some people with this one, but are you sure there is absolutely no possible way to go in-between the light and the darkness? I can think of at least two examples of Jedi using the Dark Side for good, I mean there are about a 100 more examples of it being used for evil and corrupting the people who use it, but still, there is a small possibility. The first example is Mace being able to use a Form of Lightsaber Form 7, tapping into both his darkness and his opponents and not falling to the Dark Side. And the second example, Luke using Force Choke in Return of the Jedi on the Gamoidian Guards, and I think I heard somewhere in Legends he used the move a few more times, but he always used it to just knock out and incapacitate people, never to kill, so he didn't fall either.

Not so sure on the Emotion part tbh. Yes the Jedi accepted there were emotions but just told you to meditate them away. Meditation helps to get rid of the Symptoms but not the core problem in every case. If the Jedi were thaught to be more open about their feelings there would have been more discussions and ways for troubled jedi to figur their problems out. Two examples. Annakins love for Padme: Yes the Relationship got realy realy creepy but the biggest problem was that Annakin could only turn to Palpatin who as we all know did not had Annikins best intrest in mind. If Annakin would have been allowed to love and have a relation he would most likely have turned to Obi and Yoda for advice and both of them could have told him:"Dude you are acting like a dick if you keep that up she might hate you for it" sometimes it just takes a good frind to tell you that you are wrong. Annakin spying on Palpatine: Yeah the Jedi didn´t get that asking someone to spy on his best friend could turn things south ultra fast. I mean imagine your boss gets to you and asks you to spy on your best friend because your boss doesn´t trust him. If the Jedi would have grapsed the concept of friendship they would have known that putting annakin together with Palpatine with the mission to spy on him is a dick move. Instead they could have relazied that Palpatine means a lot to annakin told him they have some suspissicions and they want him to stay away from him for some time while they investigate spin it like they want the best for both of them but realizing that if Palp is an sith this could compromise Annakin heavily. All over all the Jedi were not super incompetend but they also were far from good and the 1000 years they did great was mostly because the sith were keeping quiet

A few other things I'd like to add: -Being a Jedi is entirely your choice. If you wanted to get married or disagree with a Jedi rule, you are fee to leave. -Jedi don't have anything against families and a big reason why they don't let Jedi have family is because they know families require responsibility. But a Jedi needs to prioritize the lives of all people over the lives of people closest to them. So the Jedi banned having families so Jedi would never be faced with a morally impossible choice. And as said above, if a Jedi really did want to get married they could if they left because now they don't have split loyalties. -A big reason why I think the Jedi didn't go crusading to other parts of the galaxy to end slavery and other misdeeds is because it's outside of the Republic and you cannot go to different lands and impose your morals onto them. That is such an imperialistic way of thinking. Even if you are right, you can't just strong arm other people into following your rules. Think of it this way, did the United States march into Saudi Arabia and demand that they let women drive? Would it be right to do so even thought Saudi Arabia does have sexist rules? Of course not, America does not have that right, just like Saudi Arabia does not have the right to march into America and change the rules because in thier eyes, letting women drive is just as wrong as American think not letting them drive is. You simply cannot force other people to follow your rules.

@Geetsly's : *mentions not all jedi were aight* Me: *glares at Pong Krell*

This isn't the kind of metaphysics you should be seeing in a film series about space wizards with laser swords aimed at children. This metaphysic is GRIMDARK.

I mean, you can quote Anakin saying he thinks they're encouraged to love, but that's a half truth. They can love in the way deemed acceptable by their terms. What most people include in "love" (such as attachment) is not accepted. Anakin was not exactly unbiased, so he wasn't able or willing to say the full truth.

I cannot see this video without think in a debate between Generation Tech and you guys

I agree with you 100%! Too many times people try to blame the Jedi for issues that were not theirs, or try to make them the scapegoat because they don't understand how the order really worked.

One thing I had always thought when it came to the different Jedi orders when people compare them they always say how Luke’s Jedi order was about as perfect as one can be because he did away with what he felt was rules that were wrong like Jedi forming attachments and marrying yet his order had it’s own Jedi who turned Sith like Jace Solo aka what Kylo Ren should’ve been

"If you are to truly understand then you will need the contrast, not adherence to a single idea. It is to surrender yourself - to make yourself a slave to a teaching or a belief - that makes it so belief will always rule you. To believe in an idea is to be willing to betray it." --Kreia, KotOR II Honestly, a lot of issues in the Jedi Order would probably be resolved if they had dedicated therapists and a safe place to discuss their worries without fear of being judged or excommunicated.

For all their faults, I never lost faith in the Jedi like Luke did. If anything, knowing they could mess up makes them all the better in my eyes.

Obi-wan had an "attachment" as well, but his was not "unhealthy". He let the "force" over-ride what his heart seemed to have wanted.

In a prequel book, Yoda formally acknowledged a slave planet's government to get what he wanted.

Anakin and Padme where written to be two people who had never dated before and who only loved eatch other.

Honestly, I see the jedi code as theoretical solution to universe that is morally gray most of the time. It's the complete devotion to either side that is blinding. There are just some things that the force can't guide the jedi with.

I also think there is disagreement about the force and how to act in spite of it... What is actually the best way to deal with the dark side...? Are there alternatives? What are those alternatives? Is any of it worth the effort? Is doing so even legitimate?

The problem with the Jedi as we know them in the last thousand years of the timeline is the same problem with the Republic during this period: the Ruusan Reformation. For 400 years the Jedi led the government during war time as chancellors, and prior to the Ruusan reformation the Jedi were an independent organization with a privately-funded military that saved the Republic from near-complete collapse. When the final war was won they willingly returned control of the government back to the civilian populace - as Palpatine was supposed to do but did not. But that was not enough for the politicians, who feared (or said they did as a means of getting the upper hand) an independent and very popular group of people outside their control who had their own military and private financial backing. The Jedi were depleted and exhausted from the war and came home victorious to a list of ultimatums if they wanted to remain a part of the republic they just saved. They had to: 1. Give up their military 2. Exist as a part of the government and submit to direct supervision by the chancellor and judiciary 3. No longer wear armor 4. Train children from birth, with an age limit (to prevent a Sith resurgence) 5. Centralize padawan training on Coruscant (to avoid unsupervised students getting access to forbidden knowledge) They basically gave in to the fear of others and placated the Republic by making themselves small. In conjunction with the changes made to the senate at this time, these reformations shackled the order and left them powerless and exposed with the door wide open for the Sith to corrupt from within. These reformations only make sense in a utopian world where the government is pure of heart and war doesn't exist. Since that is definitely not the world of Star Wars, these reformations were practically a Sith wish list, and I'm sure the anticipatory irony of the Jedi signing their own death warrant warmed and sustained their cold little Sith hearts while they poisoned and planned.

And yet Lukes order in legends was able to have families, get married, form attachments etc and were fine so that makes a lot of the arguments that the Jedi were right in doing what they did actually false

Thank you for not making another “Anakin wouldn’t have fallen if Super Qui-Gon lived” video.

I think what made Anakin creepy was the terrible portrayal by the actor in the prequels, sure some of the stuff he said was creepy like “everything is soft and smooth” but the actor didn’t seem like he wasn’t trying and was stiff in his portrayal (until #3) and it made him seem far more creepy then he actually was so I wouldn’t say Anakin was creepy but the way he was portrayed by the actor made him seem really creepy.

the reason why attachments are forbidden is that in a moment of pain or desperation a Jedi would turn to whatever means and an example of this would be saving someone's life like what happened to Anakin. He wanted to save Padme and when he saw that the Jedi Order and the Light Side of the Force could not help him, he turned to the Dark Side, as long as Padme was safe, he would do horrific crimes (attack on the jedi temple, destruction of younglings so no new generation of jedi could happen). If Anakin had no attachment to Padme he would see her death as the will of the Force. Remember, in the Jedi code there is no death, there is the Force.

I think you overlook in this video the influence of the Sith in tipping the balance of the Force in preventing the Jedi from identifying the issues they faced.

The ancient force users balanced light and dark sides with no problem

This is absolving the Jedi Council of far too much blame for Anakin's fall. Sure, you could argue that Anakin's attachment to others was unhealthy, but the Jedi did not help it much either. Instead of teaching Anakin _how_ to handle loss, they simply told him to "let go" of everything, which no reasonable person with an attachment problem can do. Additionally, the reason why Anakin's paranoia about attachment became such an issue in the first place goes back to his separation from his mother, which the Jedi did little to help alleviate. Sure, Obi-Wan would be a good master and father-like figure, but Anakin was separated from his mother after getting to know her, which would cause any child some form of trauma early on in life. In the end, the problem with the Jedi wasn't necessarily the code, but their _overly strict adherence to it._ In the end, they clung too tightly to the code to the point that the lost sight of of what mattered more: their trust in the force and the need to treat all Jedi as individual entities in the force, with their own, specific needs. If that meant going out and freeing Anakin's mother to help cope with the attachment problem, then they should have done so. Anakin's fall was not just on himself, but the failing of his masters to help him with his attachment problem outside of a few words.

1000% agree. As a Fellow Jedi Stan I’m sick of seeing misinformation spread about them. Thanks for making this, I wouldn’t change a single word of it.

so, they're are allowed to promote friendship and love, and yet, they are not allowed to have a romantic relationship regardless of if it's a healthy one or not by the times of the clone wars? I don't know, and even using Anakin as an example, Anakin wasn't the only one at fault for falling to the Darkside being of the Jedi are equally at fault for not properly giving him that support that he'd needed.

Very little actual textual evidence for this videos assertion. The jedai pretty much just trained extremely competent force vessels with almost no ability to resist the dark side and sent them out into the galaxy. This, in turn, lead to hapless jedai being drawn to dark side objects and nexuses and nearly always being corrupted to the point they become a threat to the whole galaxy. Maybe if the jedai order bothered to train their people in basic emotional coping mechanisms instead of focusing almost exclusively on their own purity maybe they would stop being the genesis of 90% of the galaxy's civilization breaking problems.

At 5:17 you say the Jedi didn't discourage emotion in a general sense, and cite Anakin saying that compassion being central to a Jedi's life as support for that. I can see this interpretation, but I think Yoda and Anakin's sessions regarding Anakin's visions of the future show us that it was a bit more complicated than that in practice. Yoda tells him to train himself to let go of everything he fears to lose, failing to acknowledge that Anakin's similar visions in the past had proven to be more reliable than those of other Jedi. And failing to sense the turmoil his advice had seeded in Anakin. Yoda himself had succumbed to the Jedi philosophy of bottling one's negative emotions so completely that he had to be shown his error by the force priestesses before he would acknowledge his own fear created by the war and the threat of the Sith. We can't talk about the failings of the prequel era Jedi order without talking about those of Yoda. Centuries of peace and dogma had blinded him and warped his perception. Leaving him, and his order, misguided and oblivious to the decay that had taken them. As an order, they had become the private military of the senate, waging a war over the desires of millions of systems to break free from exploitation by the core, caught up in politics. Meanwhile the individual Jedi under Yoda's leadership became disillusioned, battle weary, broken physically and emotionally by the war. Yoda failed to acknowledge any of it. He didn't see the mental health of his order decaying before his very eyes because even if in theory he understood his Jedi had emotions, in practice he didn't tend them or teach his Jedi how to tend them for themselves in the face of such hardship. The millennia of peace had made them monastic and dogmatic and wholly unprepared for the rise of the order of the Sith Lords.

Thank you for that Jedi Paxam gathering pic from Legends. I think many Legends Jedi embody this video. "cough" Kyp Durron "cough"

Yeah I think people forget that the slavery bit is thousands of Jedi versus hundreds of trillions of sentients within a Republic inside a galaxy that endorses slavery. Even with fancy space magic and super awesome light swords, the numbers are against you if you even THINK about trying to go on a galactic wide crusade to free the slaves.

Living a lie is the problem with Anakin's and Padme's relationship. Anakin also fell, because he lost his apprentice due to Jedi politics with keeping in line with republic expectations, not what they actually believed. They then had the audacity to claim it was all her great trial. You can't tell me that Dogmatic Jedi philosophy didn't play into the rise of Vader. Luke had attachments to his friends thinking he had to save his friends, but he became a Jedi because of the wisdom he learned from losing to Vader. Working through hard emotions makes stronger people, not just ignoring them

My take: Forcing children to not form attachments is abuse no matter what.

This is an argument any baby snatcher sympatizer would make, hopefully the ISB gets to you. Thanks for the video man! xD

"You might say we are encouraged to love..." Truth of the Jedi revealed- or teenager trying to get into someone's pants? HMMMmmmmmmmm...

True, attachment to anything hurts a lot when something or someone to what or whom you are attached hurts a lot. To know if you are attached think of the person or thing like you don't have it and look at what you fell

Sidious was right about one thing, the jedi had become dogmatic. Complacent within the trappings of their traditions rather than the purpose of those traditions. In attack of the clones when Yoda says how arrogance has become a common problem among the jedi I always took that as George Lucas speaking directly to the audience. The order was already in a state of decline before the clone wars. Not just in numbers but, in my opinion, their connection to the force.

Thank you. This recent shift in less-than-stellar view of the Jedi bothered me a bit in the similar way how fans as a whole reacted to the prequels. It's a weird situation where I see the fans' criticism but something in my brain said they're wrong.

On the transport ship taking them to Naboo in AOTC they have this exchange: Padmé: Must be difficult, having sworn your life to the Jedi, not be able to visit the places you like or do the things you like. Anakin: Or be with the people that I love. Padmé: Are you allowed to love? I thought that was forbidden for a Jedi. Anakin: Attachment is forbidden. Possession is forbidden. Compassion, which I would define as unconditional love, is central to a Jedi’s life. So you might say that we are encouraged to love. which I would define as unconditional love, - this is Anakin’s view on the matter and he’s like this in TPM so this is something he learned from his mom not the Jedi. So you might say that we are encouraged to love. - This is the weakest affirmation I’ve ever heard. If Jedi are allowed to love Anakin should just be able to answer Yes to Padmé’s question but what he does is say No with more words. Seriously if you have to give a 30 word answer to a Yes or No question the answer is No. Padmé and Anakin were also fine together. The Clovis arc is a shit story and he beats the guy nearly to death when he walks in on him forcing himself on Padmé and as he entered we can clearly hear Padmé say “Clovis, no.”

I never liked the idea that anger and fear are considered negative emotions. They are not. They are vital and they are important, they exist for a reason. Without fear there is no caution, without anger there is no incentive for justice. If your life is in danger, and you simply don’t feel the emotion of fear, you’re not at peace, you’re defective. You don’t have the mechanism that allows for threat assessment. Caution, restraint, avoidance are all facets of fear. Without fear, none of those exist either. Anger is important for both self preservation and social cohesion. If you can be wronged and feel nothing but tranquility, you are not at peace, you are a doormat and don’t have the capacity to fight for others. If one can step on you, how can you stop them from doing it to others? Anger for the sake of others Is incredibly important. When I see injustice, I feel fury. Those are human beings not being treated as such. That is wrong, and if we all felt no anger at such actions then none would be taken to v correct them. In the case of both anger and fear, avoiding them is not only impossible but entirely foolish, dismissing them or ignoring them outright is just as bad. Healthy anger and fear management are meant to ensure you can focus on more than just that emotion, and you can compartmentalize and prioritize them. Never allowing them to control you entirely, but never letting their purpose escape your perception either.

I think the jedi's largest mistake was allowing themselves to be too interconnected with the Republic. While on the grander scale, the Republic was the best ally the Jedi could get, it had also damaged their image either their ability to take larger actions were restricted by the Republic itself or being seen as enforcers for what some could see as Core World Rule especially when on diplomatic missions were the Jedi's reputation as near invincible warriors struck fear into those who wish to challenge the authority of the Republic.

The Jedi order have so many secrets

I know and understand why it's next to impossible to use both sides of the force. But didn't a sith say that the dark side was like venom, which you think would make the light side the cure. I'm only saying that because master Yaddle knew dark side force abilities, yet she was one of if not the most pure jedi ever. She was essentially like the mother of the jedi order. So would that make it possible for jedi to learn some dark side abilities only using them if they were necessary, like against other sith.

While Anakin's fall wasnt explicitly the Jedi's fault, it was a foreseeable event with the most basic of rational ability, expounded by the Jedis' fallible code. Take a slave, with all the trauma that implies, then try to induct them into another highly restrictive order(that ultimately is just another form of slavery) without ever addressing underlying trauma and you get chaos and catastrophe. The jedi order failed as a whole to perform what a child psychologist or social worker could have done. And considering the Jedi just bans emotional attachments, but Anakin had already formed the attachment prior to the ban, and had no real world example or anybody he could go to for help concerning his attachment to Padme, and you get someone completely ignorant into how to behave or handle such attachments. He had no parents to draw on, no mentors he could ask(its banned). So you have an adult with the emotional maturity of a child in an order that refuses to provide any guidance aside from "Don't experience that thing youve already experienced".

I call this dirty pro-jedi propaganda 🤣

While I mostly agree with your reasoning, I'm not willing to give the Jedi a total pass. While it's absolutely true that rules like the ban on attachments were there for a very good reason, the way those rules were enforced was inflexible and, in the end, harmful. It's all very well to tell your super powered warriors "You must not have attachments", but inevitably that rule _will_ be broken. And when it was, the Jedi who broke it had no experience or emotional tools to help them deal with their attachments in a healthy way. When Anakin came to Yoda for help over his fear that his mother was going to die, Yoda told him (paraphrased) "Eh, just don't worry about it." When Yula Braylon had a child, she kept it secret, brought him into the Jedi order, and covered up his crimes, all because she was afraid of what the council would do if they found out. Forbidding attachment is like forbidding addiction; it doesn't prevent it from happening, it just cuts people off from the help that they need. If Anakin had been able to tell the Jedi "Look, I'm having dreams that my wife will die in childbirth", then Padme could have been brought to the Temple for 24/7 healthcare, and he wouldn't have been driven to desperation to save her. If he'd been able to be open about his relationship, they could've got some marriage counselling - or their romance could have run its course, they get divorced, and carried on. By denying it and keeping it secret, it created the exact unhealthy relationship that they were trying to avoid. And of course it's true that the Jedi alone could not have wiped slavery out across the galaxy, but they could definitely have done a lot more than they did. They had enormous political influence and power that they could have wielded to push the Republic to actually enforce their anti-slavery laws. They could have told corporations that any corporation that employed slavery would not receive protection or contracts from the Jedi. We're kind of running into the "Perfect Solution" fallacy - the idea that Jedi couldn't wipe out slavery, so it's okay that they didn't do enough about it. Personally, I blame Yoda for most of this. His god complex meant that he tried to turn ALL Jedi into reflections of himself, and they lost their ability to truly serve the will of the Force. They became rigid, stuck to the narrow handful of ways Yoda would allow them to behave, and lost the flexibility they would need to respond to the Sith.

Smells like Jedi propaganda to me.

Justify it all you want they still use tactics directly from the cult guide book.

How many children went into the church from incredibly young , some from infancy , most from around 7 or 8 years old. They didn't become full members till they were adults but they were already indoctrinated, it's a religious organisation.

You know, I'm always confused about the children they don't take or the people encouraged to leave. Firstly, I remember in another video him saying that if a kid was too old to take in, they wouldn't because of already entrenched trauma/views. So you have a kid, who's force sensitive with trauma/bigoted views, and you aren't going to do anything to help them? Doesn't that sound like a recipe for disaster? Secondly, the Jedi who are encouraged to leave. What happens to them? Do they get to keep their lightsaber? Wouldn't that be really emotionally upsetting to be told to leave? What are they supposed to do? Couldn't this also be a recipe for disaster? And what if somebody really wanted to start a family? I understand there's bad emotional attachments, but millions of people live in perfectly happy family units every day. With provided support it's not too hard to make sure people are being well. Like, there's obviously good reasons for why Jedi have their rules, but not all of it seems all that good or really makes that much sense.

sounds like a whole lot of jedi propaganda to me...

I've felt for a while that the Order got too comfortable with dogma. Is the Code good? Sure, but if the people expected to follow it don't know what it means, it only takes one to go bad to topple the whole thing. For example, the Temple..."incident" (not sure if the real word is okay to type). Could have avoided that if she was following the Code instead of thinking she was doing the right thing...by murdering a bunch of people...then framing someone else for it...then trying to flee instead of taking responsibility...and then giving the galaxy ammo against the Jedi existing in a big "I'm the real hero here!" speech. That being said, from locking up people in prisons for seeing the future, to not really fighting leading the slave army, there are plenty of things to complain about, but the Code is mostly fine. They just have to be sure people like Mr. "Compassion" don't start using legalese to explain why they aren't falling to the dark side by being a weirdo.

Can you make a vid about the umbaran planet and how powerful it actually was ?

Passion itself isn't a bad thing. The Jedi are terrified of strong emotions, whether they're good or bad. But instead of training people to deal with emotions in healthy ways, they tell them to meditate and/or ignore the problem and hope it goes away. When Anakin is having nightmares about his mother, instead of talking to him about it or suggesting they go check Tatooine out, Obi Wan just tells him to ignore his dreams because they'll go away in time. And on top of that, he's assigned as Padme's body guard, even though he's _clearly_ obsessed with her. If a person is cut off from the outside world, raised to bury their emotions, and told that half the emotions they experience are bad and wrong, eventually that's going to cause problems.

The main misconception everyone has about Jedi and their version of ‘balance’ of the force. They don’t mean balance so much as Harmony. Because the Dark Side is a disruption in the force that undoes the balance and harmony of the force.

If you ask me, Obi-Wan is most to blame for Anakin’s fall, really. He let his emotions, his feeling of owing Qui Gon, fulfilling his promise to the man, get in the way of the fact that logically speaking, he was a poor fit to be Anakin’s master. Anakin was old enough that he had attachments, and Obi Wan on the other hand was a newly Knighted Jedi without the experience necessary to handle taking on an unusual Padawan like Anakin. If he had put aside his feelings, he likely would have recognised that instead of training Anakin himself, he could have fulfilled his promise to Qui Gon by convincing a far more experienced Jedi, preferably a Master, to train Anakin. One who could accomodate Anakin’s unusually strong emotional attachments and better teach him to put aside his feelings and let the force guide him. Ultimately, Anakin needed a Master who was far more like Qui Gon himself than Obi-Wan. This isn’t Obi-Wan bashing, I love the guy and, there is a level of secondary blame to be placed on the council for allowing Obi-Wan to be his master. But I do truly think that with a better master Anakin’s fall could have been avoided. In theory, in terms of experience perhaps Yoda himself should have overseen Anakin’s training, but I doubt that would have worked as personality-wise they would not have meshed. I’m not sure who would be the best fit, but it wasn’t Obi-Wan.

The issue that I have with the jedi code, is that on a literal interpritarion of the code, they dosn't just discourage certain emotions, but deny they exist. (This could be fixed by just adding the word "when," at the beginning of each line.) ... Also, the Jedi being so strict to the point of being cult-like, made questioning them a natural and reasonable response to somebody raised in that environment. ... I think Anikan's fall could have (maybe) been prevented by a more empathetic master, who could understand him better, and help him through the problems that led to his fall, instead of coldly and bluntly telling him to stop feeling, because it would send him down the wrong path. (They could also explain how that could and has happened, and help him to cope to avoid it.) ... I agree that Anikin's attraction to Padme is creepy though. ... He could have been partially brought back from the dark-side, if Obi-Wan's response to Anakin saying, "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil." Had been, "Hold on, why do you think that? (Maybe I can change your mind.)" Instead of "Well then you are lost!" ... Ultimately, Anakin is responsible for his own actions, but his fall could have been prevented with a little T.L.C. and the right tools. ... Or, like the counsol suggested, don't teach him the force in the first place. But that could just lead to him figuring it out on his own, to even less desirable results.

The biggest Myth about there Jedi is that almost everyone vahamantly believes or convinced that all of the jedi are celibate The other myth is that the dark light sides of the force what it its literally the same exact phenomenons differentiated interpretations

Or as Yoda would say “control you must learn control” Control over one’s own desires control over one’s own emotions. The sith are ruled by their emotions, The Jedi control their emotions.

This was refreshing. Lots of people judge the Jedi as if they were normal people living in modern day earth society. And a lot of people just dislike the very concept of any religion and feel entitled to hate on it as a matter of course (especially if it’s fictional.) Further, others use the fallacy of attacking someone for doing an imperfect job, as if their accomplishments cannot matter unless total success is achieved. Any organization that is large enough and lasts long enough will have members that betray their ideals, or outsiders who attack them based on limited, superficial knowledge. Were the Jedi perfect? No. Did a profoundly evil mastermind manipulate them and ultimately destroy them? Yes. Do either of these facts mean we should ignore all their service and efforts? I hope not