Indeed. They know nothing.

Gui.

Makes you wonder how many dudes like him they had creeping around in the shadows back then

And I recommend "Foucault's Pendulum" too. By the same author.

Professor Umberto Eco, a brilliant scholar & a writer, was one of the best creators of his generation,a genuine Italian spirit, at the time when tens of latin american, scandinavian & oriental authors were trying to be part of the "establishment". Eco had a crystal clear view of his entourage, of the past & the future, thus I believe, it's impossible to compare him with other italian crimi-writers,like A. Camilleri o R. Saviano.

Umberto Eco classic!

I read the book recently, which led me to the movie! Both are great works of art.

Ford Burkett I did like these books better: "The Journals of Father Alexander Schmemann, 1973-1983... Fr Schmemann was known for his many-faceted and eloquent gifts as preacher, professor and priest. His insight into contemporary culture, church life and liturgical celebration left an indelible mark on generations of Christians. These journals offer insight into the quiet, intimate side of his life. They witness the magnitude of his heart, his absolute humanity... They record, often with brutal honesty, his impatience and frustration with himself and events, but above all, his liberation and freedom 'in Christ and His Church.' We see a life replete with the effort to call people to live 'higher and more openly,' to become restored human beings. His love of God, deep faith and reverent love of family serve as an endless wellspring shaping his person. Reading these journals we are inspired, enlivened and renewed.", see www.amazon.com/Journals-Father-Alexander-Schmemann-1973-1983/dp/0881412007 "The Shadow of His Wings: The True Story of Fr. Gereon Goldmann, OFM... the harrowing experiences of a young German seminarian drafted into Hitler's dreaded SS at the onset of World War II. Without betraying his Christian ideals, against all odds, and in the face of Evil, Gereon Goldmann was able to complete his priestly training, be ordained, and secretly minister to German Catholic soldiers and innocent civilian victims caught up in the horrors of war. How it all came to pass will astound you. Father Goldmann tells of his own incredible experiences of the trials of war, his many escapes from almost certain death, and the diabolical persecution that he and his fellow Catholic soldiers encountered on account of their faith. What emerges is an extraordinary witness to the workings of Divine Providence and the undying power of love, prayer, faith, and sacrifice", see www.amazon.com/Shadow-His-Wings-Gereon-Goldmann/dp/0898707749/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Gereon+goldmann&qid=1604412079&s=books&sr=1-1 "Hammer of God" by bishop Bo Giertz: "In this bestselling novel, three pastors learn the necessity of relying on God's grace. They fall short of their pastoral duties through public humiliation, self-doubt, inability to accept God's promises in their own lives, and divisions and quarreling among their parishioners. Ultimately each man rejects temptations and permits the Holy Spirit to work through him", see www.amazon.com/Hammer-God-Bo-Giertz/dp/080665130X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1A2KJ9AV0Q825&dchild=1&keywords=hammer+of+god+bo+giertz&qid=1604411821&s=books&sprefix=hammer+of+god+bo%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C502&sr=1-1 "Faith Alone: The Heart of Everything" by bishop Bo Giertz: "The novel begins in 1540 and ends in 1543, during which time the largest peasant revolt in the history of Scandinavia occurred under the leadership of Nils Dacke. The Dacke Rebellion, as it is known, started in the county of Småland but bled over into the Ydre district on Östergötland's southern border with Småland.The plot follows the story of two brothers, Anders and Martin. It was the wish of their mother that these two brothers would become priests in the Catholic Church, and so they were both sent to study for the priesthood in the town of Linköping, Sweden, when they were quite young. It was at this time that the Reformation began in Germany, and Sweden fought for independence from Denmark, breaking the Kalmar Union. German mercenaries hired by King Gustav Vasa to fight Danish troops brought Reformation literature with them. So, Martin became a Lutheran and left for Stockholm to work for King Gustav Vasa as a scrivener. His brother Anders continued with his studies and became a Catholic priest.When the king has to pay his debt to Lubeck for the mercenaries he hired for the war, he confiscates the church's land, bells, silver, and gold to do so. With this he firmly declares his cause with the Reformation doctrine of Martin Luther. However, the people of Småland are fond of Roman Catholicism and chafe at Lubeck's measures. So, they rebelled. Anders takes up with their cause and joins with Nils Dacke and his men. Martin stays with the king, before becoming disillusioned and falling in with a group of Schwärmerei, or pre-Pentecostal legalists. As the war comes to an end both brothers are brought back to the Reformation faith through the patient shepherding of a Lutheran priest named Peder.This is Bo Giertz's masterpiece-written with the doctrinal clarity and purpose of G.K. Chesterton and C.S. Lewis, the historical acumen of Bernard Cornwell, and the psychological insight of Kafka. The result is a Scandinavian Noir that cuts open the soul and lays it at the foot of the cross.", see www.amazon.com/Faith-Alone-Everything-Bo-Giertz/dp/1948969351/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=bo+giertz&qid=1604411899&s=books&sr=1-1

I will do this when I start my studies. Thanks.

Argumentum ad baculum

That has its parallel in modern times - if you can't win the argument, shut down the debate from happening - looking at you, so called 'progressive liberals'- a contradiction in terms.

It works for Fox News.

Religion in a nutshell.

I just bought it on DVD because I remembered seeing it on cable when I was a teenager, was that a good purchase?

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+lyricsfromsweden I read the book before the movie came out and was so let down by the film. Watching it was like looking at a 1/100th scale model of a palace that you had spent a week exploring.

+Kim Murphy Yes, but the movie still perfectly captures the general atmosphere, while managing to condense it into 1h30 (which everyone else failed to do recently: Harry Potter, LotR, etc.). Annaud managed to translate the atmosphere of erudition and philosophical fights by using almost exclusively images and short sequences. And that is exceptionnal.

It SO is. Brilliant film!

machainea: agreed!

machaineà as the film states in the beginning that it is a palimpsest I believe it lived up to that claim.

Actually, it was an even better book before it became a film.

that's no way to speak of sean connery

Roses don't have names it's gay.

AbsoluteMonarchist Um, it's the name of the GIRL, who is the rose . . .

Stan Elwood Um, um, um

AbsoluteMonarchist They have. Many of them in latin, in fact.

Stan Elwood Roses stand for so many things you can add whatever meaning you like to it and not be wrong. So it actually means nothing at all. Its in the authors notes at the end of the book. Umberto Eco decided on it after "Adso of Melk" as a title was not likely to be accepted by publishers. There is no reason that she is called Rose and you might be making the same mistake in reasoning as William. She can have had any name just as likely.

Well, fair play to you, but you missed some other movies he did long before this when he was an "actor" - "The Hill" for instance or "The Offence".

@@redcardinalist it was after The Name of The Rose that I went back and looked at his older movies and found those. I assume that was the case with many other fans. No offense taken.

lol what? He's always been an ACTOR in films before this, than just "handsome leading man", just stop with your statement right there as it's completely wrong.

@@Gadget-Walkmen Ooh, "lol". I guess that settles it, Stanislavsky! I couldn't have thought what I thought, because you said so. The response by redcardinalist seems fair enough. Christ, YT children. Whip it out, we'll measure.

@@fairalways You have no idea on what you're saying here and your response here just makes it worse, truly.

Scripture tells us that he was “in every way human” so it’s hard to imagine that He didn’t laugh.

@@jasonb.6623 what does being human mean lol isn’t that part of the issue? What do we as part divine CHOOSE to exhibit? What is worth exhibiting? What is vulgar and what is virtuous?

As Brown came later, perhaps more apt to say his books are "a non-thinking person's Umberto Eco's books" ;)

@@MacJaxonManOfAction I never understood the hate against dan brown's books, I've only read 2 but Angels and Demons were pretty well written and The Da Vinci Code was a great mystery read to go through. I never understood the hate against the guy because it blows my mind how much passive aggressive hate there is against his narratives and him.

Just don't set fire to yourself, and for God's sake don't burn up any books by Aristotle !

And if you're a teacher, like me, in modern times .... hail knowledge, for knowledge's sake alone- but if you can inspire a few students along the way...

You must have been watching a different clip. That's not what he said.

Where in Scripture does Jesus ever laugh or joke around? Book, Chapter and Verse please?

@@masterprophet8378 This comment was especially for you or your kind of mind and meant to trigger exact your reaction. Only people who ever read a novel from Umberto Eco understand this.

Golly gee, and wowzers, Sylvia! I guess you told me, didn't you? Your mind is so erudite, your wisdom so rare, your clarity of insight nearly immortal. And now all the world is a much better place because you put me in my place so eloquently. * yawn *

@crushing the serpent ́s head deliverance ministry I am a believer, too. But I didn't really understand the whole hippie thing, what is that supposed to mean? You're not judging people you don't know, are you? By the way, the new testament is more about how to be a good Christian and not going to hell, than actually talking about hell consequences.

What I don't seem to understand is the logic of this time in history. Early Christians dismissed Greek philosophy as heathen poppycock. Then a thousand years later they rediscover Plato and Aristotle and decide to treat them like they were sacred scriptures? The heck?

Well, they actually never rejected pagan philosophy. Christianity, very early on, has been influenced by Greek thought, and you can even find that in scriptures, particularly in the Gospel of John. The early christian theologians, usually known as the "Father of the Church", were almost all trained in philosophy, and this had a great impact on their writings. Plato and Aristotle were even considered to be saints by some peoples in the so-called "School of Alexandria", one of the main trend of Christian thought in the first hundred years of Christianity. Even pagan myth were commonly used to teach morality, and Homer, almost considered as scripture by late antique pagans, stayed as the basis of the school system in the Christian East for centuries.

@@GMovieSeeker Early Christians never dismissed Greek philosophy. See St. Basil’s “Address to Young Men on Greek Literature.”

@@GMovieSeeker They persecuted Copernicus and his book was banned by them. Few hundred years later he is considered by catholic church in Poland as one of greatest Polish people of all times...

@@GMovieSeeker "Early Christians dismissed Greek philosophy as heathen poppycock" Sir, that's not true at all. See the works of Justin Martyr and Clement of Alexandria.

Hah ! You fool

@unoriginal thots Stoic philosophy is very much like the old man: Always very serious, avoids emotions, very conservative in nature, very much putting emphasis on contuity as opposed to evolution. Which is why it is called Stoic = those that sit in one place only. Aristotelian Philosophy on the other hand is very much like that character played by Sean Connery: Always curious and inquisitive, accepts emotions, puts very much emphasis on evolution. and very dynamic in nature. And BTW: Aristotle used to teach philosophy in ancient Athens while walking and taking a stroll. = thus very dynamic.

@@oren1neu1dag Stoicism has nothing to do with this book. The old man is not a stoic philosopher, he is just an asexual ethicist christian

ΑΝΤΩΝΗΣ ΣΜΥΡΝΙΟΣ *slams staff* AAARRGH ENOUGH!!

@@user-sw5bq3ek8q The book i'm assuming you're referring to is Aristotle's first book about comedy, so yes, it has very much A LOT to do with aristotelian philosophy. On the other hand Stoic philosophers like Seneca the younger rejected humor as a vice and not a virtue

In 1987 F. Shalyapin son, played an italian old man,a small part in the film "Moonstruck" with N. Cage & Cher. He was just saying "Che bella luna! stasera la luna è piena."

True enough. For Shalyapin was the son of one of the greatest opera singers of the 20th century.

Chaliapin stole every scene he was in, in this movie and Moonstruck. Marvelous.

@CaptHawkeye That awkward moment when you just proved the first dude right by responding to his points with a barrage of insults and ad hominem attacks.

CaptHawkeye You must have thought you were smart typing out that cringey, rambling and incoherent wall of text in reply to the original comment. But all you’ve done is embarrass yourself online for thousands to see by highlighting the fact that you’re just an overemotional, fragile libtard hiding behind a veneer of pseudo-intellectualism.

Funny librarian??? Borges was a funny librarian???? Besides, Umberto Eco was not doing a ridiculisation of J L Borges but a homage. Eco admired Borges.

Jorge Luis Borges was a genius, and one of my favorite writers of all time

@@carlos208 He was funny and he was librarian, a blind librarian.

Hahaha...

Are u free or arrested by now?

Lol He does actually sound Turkish.

Probably yes, at that era.

Well, I have a shaved head - by choice, cos I'm going bald by nature, as I get older, and it looks better, and to be honest, the ladies like it ! I also know Latin and Greek - quite familiar with the bible- but I follow my own beliefs - ok most of them are very moral and spiritual ! But become a monk- cut myself off from natural human contact ? No - not for me. But I admire very much those who do. I happen to know a few Greek monks !

What is the definition of being happy? Does being spiritual mean being happy?

Nein.

What's that kind of question? How could we stand our weather, without laughing?

SvedskiKuvar depends on Merkel

I doubt it 😂 but they do say arrrhhh a lot. Their serious is funny in a way. 🤷‍♂️

@@dinacamposlopes como assim?

Both were ancient mindsets, they are not new ideas

+Cidao Aparecido My guess is that he was a eunuch. It would explain his falsetto and why he looked so pale.

+Spiegel1989 No, because as William pointed out, the handsome young monk who flung himself from the tower gave him the book "in exchange for unnatural caresses!"

There have been men who have been given grace by God to not cry out in pain even as they were being tortured to death. That’s what he is referring to, I believe.

@@JP-sd7di quite plausible. I’m honestly wondering what would drive someone to believe laughter is the work of the Devil though?

@@timothyq.5070 Me too.

@@timothyq.5070the Benedictine monks are stoics. They don’t laugh. The Franciscan monks are Aristotelean and do laugh much

Stercus stercus, moriturus sum - the Gospel according Rincewind, the Wizard, by the Prophet Terry Pratchett

aka Holy Shit !

or I could quote you a time in Jubail, Saudi, when it was actually raining and the drains were flooded, and I drove past the mosque, and its sewage outflow...

So what do you call it? lol !

Christian Blake . James bond

Uvisir occuli de vitro com capsula ??? That said the the monk about the glasses ???

Jambhavan Das . Oculi de vitro cum capsula

Federico Boyer Thanks you 😊

Loquor latine ! non sacerdos sum, sed magister linguarum. Non catholicus sum, sed protestantus. Love languages, and love knowledge, and give them to the world - in nomine Christi

penitenziagite

Estimado Usuario, Te confieso que cuando mis ojos han cruzado los siete caracteres introducidos en tu renglón de esta soporífera y ceniza sección de comentarios, has logrado sacarme una gran sonrisa de la cara; tus "siete caracteres" me alegran mucho ya que, excepto argentinos y españoles, muy pocos saben acerca de este homenaje "secretamente obvio" que Umberto Eco "coló" entre las páginas de su libro, así, tal cual, como quien no quiere la cosa. Las películas son eso mismo, películas, y las películas no son sino la excusa perfecta para "inventarse un libro nuevo", cobardemente parapetados en el " lenguaje cinematográfico" y en las odiosas y permisivas "libertades del guión adaptado", una suerte de "licencia" gratuita que dota de inmunidad a quienes de un libro, inventan otro distinto... El auténtico "Fray Jorge de Burgos" es también el fiel retrato del auténtico Señor Don Jorge Luís Borges, El Sabio Más Sabio, Argentino Universal que como Tiresias "el de Tebas", en su ceguera todo lo ve. El retrato de Fray Jorge de Burgos que hicieron en esta película, es aplastantemente pésimo... Bueno, lo cierto es que la adaptación cinematográfica de la novela del Profesor Eco, siempre me ha resultado "otra cosa"... Pero si es lo que "la masa" quiere, "alimentemos a la masa". Por favor, te pido disculpas en caso de serte una molestia, no lo pretendo en absoluto, sino por el contrario, me alegra mucho que hayas escrito el nombre del Sabio Argentino. Es un honor. Un muy cordial saludo desde España.