“Cliffs of Dover are arguably the best wonder...” *hovers towards S* “...To restart your game!” *Cliffs of Dover gets disappointed*

i live 20 kilometers from Chocolate Hills! Sorry no production there.

-Wonder spawns in desert -PotatoMcWhiskey: So you have chosen... low tier

"Navies are less useful in general" -The British empire would like a word with you

You had me in the first half with the cliffs of the dover lmao

The funny thing is Torres del Paine in reality does not give any of those things, it's in a cold place where nothing of food growth, it should give only Tourism

The other day i was playing Sumeria and spawned next to the Giant's Causeway, it was a very short game.

When trying for a science victory I *love* big passable wonders like Pantanal, Chocolate Hills or Gobustan because you can get Darwin and get a bajillion science from his special ability. It's somewhat ironic that he can't get those bonuses from Galapagos Islands.

"I'm just gonna call it Xangy Dang" Hats of to you, made me laugh like a mad man.

What Tier list should I do Next? Also like the video plx

Deep in our hearts we know cliffs of dover is the best wonder

Spuddie forgets how dead sea basically saved his true earth deity level game.

Cliffs of Dover would be better if they make them a "feature NW", meaning the cliffs are giving yields rather than full tiles, and tiles become improvable.

Suggestion: All lake Wonders gets regular lake yields and possibly for appropriate resources. All passable wonders gets their yields added to underlying terrain. All desert land Wonders gets the double adjacent yields perk. Cliffs of Dover is changed from a grassland tiles wonder to a coast wonder with same yields added to the 2 coast tiles. Wonders should always be something to strive for no matter witch ones are in the game.

ik-kil should be in B-tier. 50% production towards wonders makes a huge difference when trying to compete with AI for some of the wonders. It allows Forbidden City to be chopped in 5 chops with Magnus and +15% policy card, and it allows to compete for wonders that are usually almost impossible to get like Great Library. Plus since it's fresh water and spawns in jungles/forests, it's pretty much always a pretty good spot for a city

Lake Retba doesn’t even give you fresh water! Read the quote that goes with it :(

Several of those 4-tile passable wonders are much better to settle as Kupe, since they count as features and benefit from Marae. Great Barrier Reef, jumps to SS tier for Kupe, though.

zhangye's +2Great Merchant and +2Great General points are so powerful in the early game, especially since it takes a long time before any other civ has the appropriate districts to earn those points. So you'll get the first 1 or 2 Great People of each without competition... I find it really, really, really, reallyreally* powerful. (*this was my attempt at a Potato McWhiskey impression!)

They should make the cliffs of Dover give its bonus to all adjacent tiles and allow it to have district’s or improvements on its tile. Maybe even give it a +1 food in addition to the culture and gold and it’d be a pretty solid wonder.

Do all the tiers! Civs, leaders, wonders, unique units, unique buildings, governors, pantheons, beliefs, city states! This was really entertaining and informative

I agree with most of your list, but imo, putting Vesuvius in C is a crime. The tile yields from the eruptions around this thing can even surpass those of Incan terrace farms or tiles adjacent to Torres when improved in terms of Food and Production, and there are bonus yields in Science, Faith, and Culture to boot. As long as you don’t settle right next to it and it has enough free tiles around it to proliferate its yields, it can be the absolute best wonder in the entire game due to sheer tile yields, especially in the early mid game (it does get a bit outshined in late game, though). IMO, its major drawback is decently easy to avoid in not placing districts near it, but I understand that it’s a giant one, so I would accept an A tier placing. B or C tier seems way too low for Vesuvius to me, though, for the reasons that I stated above

I once had the Giant's Causeway spawn in the middle of the ocean with no surrounding land tiles. Even before rising sea levels. Minor oversights with spawns like that are a nitpick of mine. That, and the fact that the Earth map is locked to Standard size.

hey this is actually a useful tier list

Then i 1st time settled near cliffs of Dover and realized it cant be improved...like " it was that moment then he knew, he fucked up"

My last game as Sweden had a flat Tundra Torres Del Paine. That was paineful.

Played the game for about 300 hours now, didn't see half of these wonders. SEEN ALL THE DESERT WONDERS THO.

3:43 I would argue the fact that it's a volcano is what makes this wonder BETTER, because eruptions actually improve the yields of affected tiles with food and production, so it pairs really well with its bonuses.

Damn that Mount Vesuvius yields are insane.

NB, and this is probably mentioned somewhere below, but there you go: Let Retba explicitly doesn't give you fresh water. The flavor quote is, "Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink." 8-)

I feel like Dead Sea should be an E tier simply because of the one-turn full healing of units. It's not great, but it can be very powerful in some situations.

Halong bay is S tier just for the aesthetic, damn the yields.

Dear Potato, for your consideration: In an ottoman game of mine, Cliffs of Dover was spaced between my civ and another civ. I was able to forward settle the opponent civ, grow to three population, and work both dover tiles to rapidly expand this city's borders. Working those tiles rapidly got me to political philosophy, and enabled me to buy more builders than otherwise posible.

So Potato, is Great Barrier S-Tier? Potato: Well yes, but actually no...but actually yes

Crater lake is much better than Dover. One tile doesn't waste space. More importantly its fresh water and relative high faith output unimproved make it a perfect place to settle your second city if you're going for a religion.

Remember, 2 similar things can both be on the same tier. One doesn't have to drop to make room for another

Eyjafjallajokul is actually one of my favourite wonders, it should definitely be A tier. I've had 10-15 food tiles on adjacent tiles everytime I've had it, which to me far outweighs the possible danger of volcanic eruption which again you can mitigate with Liang.

The thing that makes wonders like Yosemite a lot worse is that they have a rule against spawning adjacent to lakes, coast or rivers. Which means that you either settle a city away from fresh water or these tiles will only be workable in the second or third ring, meaning that you need to buy the tiles if you want to work them early in the game. And natural wonder tiles really only make a difference early game. For the same reason I do quite like the Lake natural wonders because they provide water and make cities possible, that otherwise wouldn't have been. That alone is already a big bonus. Plus Huey Teocalli improves their yields, which actually makes them quite decent tiles.

It was so surreal seeing that Matterhorn picture in a video, I had taken it ages ago!

You know what I really like most about these videos? I'm not observant enough to see and remember what all the wonders do just by playing no matter how many times I play. I know there's a wiki but this is so much easier to watch and absorb. Thank you.

Once i found Torres del paine 2 tiles away from the mouth of a river as Kupe. The surrounding tiles were Plain Hills with forest in them, and two furs. The production alone was insane, but mixed with kupe's marae and abilities, PLUS the fact that you settle with 2 pops and a builder made my first city an absolute beast that carried me the whole game. i was pumping out settles and galleys like they were scouts

Eye of the Sahara is good if you can settle 3 cities around it, since it provides 3 tiles with 4 adjacency for holy sites. The yields are bad, but its shape is perfect for adjacency. Combine that with Deserto Folklore and you got some serious faith going on there. It's an excellent wonder to get as Mali. Edit: I'll get the extra movement from the Matterhorn over the Giant's Causeway flat +5 any day. Movement is great, both in the actual combat and to get to your target faster. It helps a lot to be able to go through hills without issues, while your opponent gets stuck on it.

6:28 this is probably the best civ 6 tip I ever received and single-handedly made me play so much better

I’d move all the volcanoes up by at least a tier. The eruptions are more likely to improve soils (at least it seems that way) and they can get crazy good yeilds. Just don’t build your city next to them. I don’t mind having to repair an occasional district for the value add the eruptions give.

Playing as Kupe, Galapagos Islands+Auckland+God of the Sea+Mausoleum of Halicarnasus=Maniacal Laughter

One of my most memorable games was with Sahara el beyda and Petra. The yields on that city after a few sandstorms were mind boggling.

You gotta do a new version of this with all the new wonders like bermuda, fountain of youth etc

Something worth noting is many of the lake wonders now act as coast tiles. This is a huge buff because it allows surrounding tiles to have resorts with high appeal. I played a game awhile back where I had 8 resorts around pink lake! It also is able to take advantage of coastal yield buffs like Ackland and mausoleum at halicarnassus

love the energy that was brought to this one

Tsingy is in Madagascar, why the hell would it spawn in tundra tiles Edit: global warming i guess

Not gonna lie, I really like getting pamukkale early. I think pretty much anyone will be building campuses anyway, so I just snatch those two +4 campuses. The amenity is meh, I never use it, but the easy campuses without the loads of mountains taking up space feels like an early game blessing.

Thanks for this; and with such clean presentation. Was hoping you'd do this!

The start of this was brutal with those low tiers, you almost had me crying with laughter. Guess our sense of humour lines up.

I think there is one specific occasion where Cliffs of Dover are good and that is - Potato: "Unless you are playing England on the True Start Map." ...Um, nevermind forget I said anything,

I love Potatoes and McWhiskey

my favourite wonder is pamukale because it got me a holy site that after building all its buildings gave 24 faith a turn and i got a +4 commershal hub on the other side

Started a game 2 tiles from Mt Roraima the other day. Insane growth, you get all the starting techs in 3 turns and it snowballs until you buy/expand to all the tiles and your population can work them. Even mid to early late game it can hard carry your science to ridiculous levels. Really fun wonder if you can get it early.

The last wonder, basicaly it gives you a great general every few eras. Which is +5 combat strengh at least, you don't have to work it. It also gives merchant points. Why is it so low and the giant's thingie so high? Every enemy can get the +5 from giant's wonder, if they just get to it.

I really wish that they'd include more of the natural wonders from Civ 5, or that there was some way to mod in new natural wonders. I miss Cerro de Potosi, Barringer Crater and Grand Mesa, among others..

0:44 that tease tho. 🔥

I had Uluru In my Capital with Australia once, The city got Petra as well, it was ridicoulus. It also synergizes with Earth goddess even more than the other Wonders, but as u said it only really is good in petra cities.

In my opinion, you undervalue the culture wonders. Even the culture wonders that can't be improved or don't give food. If you get them early, you can snowball into important policies. Send it a caravan and it will be full population and giving culture quickly.

He really underestimates volcano's, they give tile the best yields you will ever get in a game.

Just subscribed I always forget to do it and I enjoy your content. I got better with your videos thanks a lot :)

Thanks for doing this list Tado, much appreciated 👍

I've always felt that the Cliffs of Dover were really easily fixable - just make them workable, or at the very least make them valid tiles for districts. Not sure that Firaxis wants to code in an exception for their land-based wonder tiles. The Terra Mirabilis mod gives all natural wonders a secondary effect, and for Dover it's a minor adjacency bonus (+1 per 2) for cliffs to Harbors. For amateur modders, changing that to a major adjacency bonus (+2 per) might be enough to make The Cliffs less cringe-worthy.

I clicked this video expecting to agree with you mostly, and I was right. I agree with you and basically everything except for that (Icelandic volcano that I don’t remember how to spell) should be a tier up, as well as Galapagos.

Bruh they way you baited me on cliffs of Dover and Crater lake cracked me tf up. Good vid lol

I did not knew that I needed this video

I prefer Matterhorn to Giant's Causeway every day. For me, the bonus toward unit mobility is really hard to duplicate. Sure, the combat bonus isn't as nice, but I usually just slap an encampment next to it, and suddenly I can hunt down bad guys, flee a pursuing army, and always always take the better terrain when I have superior unit mobility. The enemy can match you in combat strength via other means, but nothing else can sail cleanly through hills like an army spawned from Matterhorn. It's not the best wonder, but it's my favorite.

Cliffs of Dover should've had a tier of shame honestly. Putting them below F wasnt enough. Very Helpful though, thanks.

Poggers! Now we need a tierlist for combat units papi

I really love your civ 6 gameplay or analysis. Great job dude!

Torres del Paine for the win! Unfortunately, however, I don't think the game allows resources to spawn next to it naturally anymore. I even tried to do it in map builder and it wouldn't let me. I guess the devs knew how op the wonder could be. Also, screw Eye of the Sahara- I hate that wonder.

Do city state tier list and separate them by their types like science type and religious type etc

Nice too see you doing other civ content apart from gameplays! Keep it up!

That was great, I'd love to see all the manmade wonders in a tier list!

I need to disagree with dead sea. It gives 2 easy +4 holy sites and sea water. It's located in the desert mostly so tile yields are low and water is sparse in some cases. Dead sea isn't a tier but I would consider it E or D

The anger at Cliffs of Dover, Hurr-durr. But you have to promise us that the next time you find an S tier natural wonder, you have to kill those tiles affected by it. Just for the memz.

Awesome video, can't wait to see more.

You did a pretty good Job with Eyjafjallajökull :D

you're a natural wonder tierlist! I feel like all those F tier wonders would be a lot better with a single food yield.

Your relationship with Tsingy is my relationship with Torres Del Paine. I think your tier list would be better (not to say that it's bad, it's quite good already) if it treated bad spawn potential more consistently.

Great video! I'm eager to see the wonders tier list next time!

Welp, this is the first time I realized that I can plug Liang into a Vesuvius city. Thanks Potato.

You could say this video is pretty S TIER Thanks I thought of it myself I posted this same thing in discord

They really need to make the natural Wonder tiles scale with era more. Even in the ancient era most of these arent really anything special when they really should be

The dessert wonders can be very strong with desert folklore + holy district + work ethic. You can get +20 faith and production from multiple holy districts + science on one with the right great person. Lots of moving pieces but can be put together while still in the early half of the game.

Thank you for your time doing this keep up the good work

Finally, KZfaq recommended me someone great! Not an odd video from 12 years ago

Potato have you used/know there is a pretty good mod that adds the base terrain yields to all of the passable uninprovable wonders ( like chocolate hills, dover, etc.) I see many groups use it on high level competitive multiplayer and it seems to really fix the divide that exists while not being to broke, but what do you think

Great video! Thanks for making these.

Another factor maybe worth considering in climate specific wonders is that the second wonder in the game is almost always worth less than the first; you can salvage the first using a specific wonder, be it a Petra or the Cathedral, etc., but the second one will be near worthless.

Every time I get Mount Roraima in my games, a city state always spawns next to it. :/

More tier lists please!

In my most recent game I played Kongo and spawned right next to Torres. Safe to say I personally pulled a Mbemba a Nzinga and immediately started to believe in the existence of God.

Very nice and easy to understand list. Thanks a bunch!

How he hypes them up first then brings them down is funny.

I've played Civ 6 for more than a 1000 hours and I have still not come across the following natural wonders: Giant's Causeway, Ha long bay, Lysjeford and Eyjaf...kull. Is that weird? And why is that it's rare for me to see Galpagos and Great Barrier Reef in my games, are they more common on some settings?

Very informative. Can you do this for era wonders too? Or have you already?

You underestimated the volcanoes