Optimum has much clearer videography

​@@bearzilla2462Maybe, but it's better to get many opinions. Instead of criticizing a non-issue, perhaps you should appreciate both for what they are. This is a very good video that stands besides optimum's video, not beneath it.

Awesome. Is the Terra quality not up to par?

@@MachinesMore well from a distance it’s good but the gaps are a bit inconsistent and I have one between the rear panel and side panel on the CPU side that’s really distracting. It’s probably an issue with this unit. The quick release latch and on the GPU side collides with my 4080S FE, which I fixed by 3D printing a low profile latch. I have some rough areas of anodized finish inside the side panel but can be overlooked seeing that you rarely open the side panels, unless you’re me. My biggest gripe is its lack of liquid cooling support while being bigger than the FormD T1. Having just 1 case fan is also hard to justify, especially seeing that you have to install the motherboard upside down playing the top of the cooler further down from the top of the case. For me this creates a pocket of warm air right near the m.2 slot. It could’ve really used a second case fan. The T1 can fit two T-30s. I think the case is beautiful and is designed well in that aspect but it just falls short in some critical areas for me. Usually Ncase are slightly too big for me but I think I can find some ways to fill the case, empty unused space is my pet peeve.

My brother in christ, please watch the video as he says he’ll do a full assembly video later

Jesus, he managed to make a half an hour video without showing how the case actually looks like. That feels like an achievement.

Buy the case yourself or look at the website.

B roll is a helluva drug. Seriously though the website only has 3d renders and optimum only really shows the silver version on his review so was hoping to see some better shots of the black version here. No big issue I’m sure we’ll also see much more soon but some nice b roll would of been swell

​@@adpt_music that's the worst kind of advise to give someone interested in a ncase case. There is some kind of tradition at ncase to show their cases, especially the ones in dark color, in a way so you can't say how they actually look like. Its the same with every release. If you ever had bought one, you would know that.

Non issue

I only had to use the IO bracket for further reinforcement in the flipped/inverted config- other configs will not be adjacent to the front IO. I am told that something is changing in the production version though, so will update when I see the change!

@@MachinesMore Thank you. Today, I watched that part of your video again and realized that my initial understanding was incorrect. In fact, in the inverted mode, the power supply bracket needs to rely on the front I/O panel for support, not the other way around. The inverted installation and mATX support are significant selling points for this case, and Level 1 listed on the NCASE website reflects this. I believe they should address this issue.

@@MachinesMore Today, NCASE released an installation guide video. Through the video, I finally understood why NCASE believes there is no conflict between the power supply interface and the front panel I/O. The position of the power connector on the SF1000L used in the video is different from the SFX V1000 in your video. Since it's difficult to define left and right, in short, the power interface of the SF1000L is on the side closer to the motherboard tray, while the SFX V1000's is on the side further from the motherboard tray. Therefore, it might conflict with the front panel I/O.

Additionally, from the newly released video, it seems that the front panel I/O has been redesigned, presumably to address this issue.

Ncase didn't do shit - Necere isn't even involved with the case anymore, it's just W360 doing what he did with FormD T1 and SSUPD, etc. Again.

Schlugga you clearly don't know the active history.

@@svn5994 Can you give us a rundown on why people are so upset at W360?

@svn5994 well then, explain it to me. I am wrong so feel free to correct me

@@Schluggaluggas W360 is the singular constant behind a number of high profile SFF Case releases, dramas, and failures in the past several years. The earliest I can recall hearing about is that with SSUPD, where he assisted with design of the Meshlicious and now its been caught in legal drama, leading SSUPD to rename it the Meshroom and him to iterate on the design for the FF1 with Lian Li. Before that, he got involved with 3FC, the designer of the FormD T1, and assisted with funding marketing and planning, but more recently wanted to end production of the case because the profits weren't there, leading to drama between him and 3FC. The pair has now split, with 3FC still selling the original 2.1 version, and W360 taking his copy to a lower tier factory and rebranding it the "Ncase FormD T1 2.5" - it's the same case with minor half-baked changes with lower QC and quality. Lastly and most recently, he was also partnered with Necere, the designer of the Ncase M1 V1-V6, and tried to merge the case with the design sensibilities and flatpak priorities of the FormD T1, and came out with the Ncase M1 Evo, which wasn't wide enough to support many of the most popular modern GPUs in reference mode despite being marketed as doing so. Since that whole fiasco - which still hasn't been corrected - Necere has left Ncase (his own company) and is no longer partnered with W360, who has rebranded the M1 Evo update as the M2 to get around any promises made to give discounts to people who were burned by the misleading marketing of the M1 Evo V1. .... That's the simplified version - but he also tried to scape the entire SFF Gurus discord for AI data which lead to a mass exodus of the server to a new server, among other shady things.

I am! A big difference (unless something changes with the R1) is board compatibility and to a larger extent compatibility in general. The M2 just supports more and allows more flexibility.

Do it.

Awesome. The riser cable kit is an option. You don’t have to get a separate PSU bracket for SFX or SFX-L but ATX is an option.

Looking at their website I find it confusing.

I was able to fit a single top fan at the top of the classic/upright setup with mATX board. With the standard round feet you will find minimal benefit from running fans adjacent to the bottom.

You could in theory still fit a 92mm fan there but the cabling got in the way, plus there wasn’t a good mounting point. So yes, absolutely mini ITX for max fan compatibility.

Me too, I was bit excited about Mood but it was disappointment, now maybe checking ch170 when it arrives

4 slots.

Absolutely. Actually in the build video I will be using the Thermalright peerless assassin mini to use the rad plate.

@@MachinesMore Fantastic. I grabbed the u9s and was going to build in the m1 evo but held off when I found out the v2/m2 was coming. Pretty stoked for this case, been watching your videos on the m1 evo and v2 and m2 practically on repeat.

ATX should be fine (shorter than 160 is best)- just make sure you order the bracket.

Not with an mATX unfortunately. When I tested top rad with the M1EVO I recall it required vertical GPU since the mini ITX board had to be pushed down too low to fit the GPU at the bottom.

Its perfect. I've been waiting for something like it

OG M1 was a thing years before the C4.

@@svn5994oh for sure but this new version has many similarities

No, the C4 is only inverted meanwhile M2 has standard & flipped while being able to support full length 4090s, mATX boards, and ATX PSUs. There's nothing "basically" about that.

@@Athasin for true SFF they are very similar is what I was meant. I would dare say that most who build SFF are not going to get the largest 4090 variants. look at optimum's video. His inverted build uses all components that work perfectly in the C4-SFX. Hopefully this will be more widely available but looking at the current ship dates I have my doubts on that

yes!

Interesting! I have to ask, how many ports do you use?

@MachinesMore It takes keyboard and mouse, flight stick and throttle, head tracking, dedicated usb for my wired headset dac power. So like 6 or 7, but I don't want to have to unplug my monitor's usb hub (keyboard and mouse for the cost of one rear usb port), my wireless headset dongle, or my speakers' usb power, so I'll end up needing like 7 or 8 from the rear total (I may be forgetting something). As you know, not many itx boards can accommodate this.

@@robertmajors1737 would using front IO help with your issue?

@horusmorus5588 I've got it used up already. I know I can make itx work, been doing it for years. It'd just be nice to be able to have a spot for anything I want to plug in

Yes, that’s what M2 means

Nah - W360 said he'd give a discount on the Evo V2 because if the issues people had with V1 - this is just him being slimy and going back on his word. ​@@linksh0t263

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​@@linksh0t263nah, w 3 6 0 just named it this to avoiding making good on people who were misled into buying the M1 Evo V1. (I replied to you earlier but my comments mysteriously seem to be getting removed.)

I saw it! Other than that 🤐😀

Absolutely can do that. It’s two holes that need to be widened. The production bracket will be harder to dremel though since it will be steel.

No, but due to the large amount of slot space you can fit a wide variety of GPU support accessories.

@@MachinesMore Thanks for letting me know!

Terra is close to 10L, this one is 15.7L. Most of that is due to the height. The footprint of the M2 is only 23mm longer and 13mm wider.

With the directional exhaust from the FE cards it tends to be a big penalty for the CPU cooling. It’s just that the cooler is so close to the flow through section. With a side exhausting card I can see the rear exhaust being a choice.

@@MachinesMore With the asymmetry of the D12L and even Noctua saying fans pushing is more effective, I think you’d want the best airflow over the larger portion of the cooler. The fan is not sealed against the heatsink on the intake side causes inefficiencies for heat transfer. I was just wondering if you had numbers for that. Thanks for the review either way!

@@GlassPupindeed- one thing I will try is rear exhaust.

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You should be able to order right now. They usually ship in batches but if you can get an allocation that’s a good spot to be in.

The inverted build wouldn’t necessarily be a worse airflow setup vs an upright/classic build. In a case like this where ventilation is ample, there are a lot of configs that will work. My primary concern specific to the test build was not forcing the cooler to take in exhaust directly. With a different type of card a rear exhaust wouldn’t be a bad option either.

Inverted gives better temps. Stop talking out of your ass.

Inverted has better temps 🤦‍♂️

it's coming!

I think it comes down to if you want mATX compatibility. If not then Cooler Master NR200 would be my top pick for a first build- it’s much easier to build in.

If money is no issue get this. Much better build quality, compatibility , and layout options. It will last you for a long time.

Yup, native mATX is a BIG feature.

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I expect that the full suite of options will come as production ramps up.

Different league for size and quality- if the volume of the A3 works for you it’s a very good case for the money.

Different size and user base segments. If you are fine with the A3 dimensions then the price is really good for what you get. The M2 has higher quality and lower volume while enabling a lot of space efficiency, it's still a boutique case, just being offered at a lower price than we usually see.