Simon, the german Tornado jet please

Pls do the su27

No.

Jet engine thrust is not measured in pound-feet. That would be a unit of torque. Lbf is pound force. Most people would just say pounds.

Had to stop at 7 minutes. The TF30 was never replaced by the F401. The 6 missile shot was six Phoenix missiles not short range missiles. Not sure what else was wrong as I stopped here.

I couldn't possibly agree more with this statement.

It's not my favourite jet - but it's definitely my second - the stocky core and slender high mach wing profile lend it a wrestlers intro theme

I completely agree. The F-14 is my prototypical 'fighter jet" and it is, indeed, one of, if not THE, damn sexiest jet aircraft ever made.

Imagine if they had used the Jolly Rogers Tomcats. The movie would have gone supercritical.

I'm torn between the F14 and the British Tornado GR4, although my opinion is purely based on looks and not function. Both sexy aircraft

It’d probably get around 6 videos ever

Maybe a side project video on the films Simon thinks are awesome. I’d watch it 😂

I half thought the channel actually exists given his penchant for creating new channels.

My thoughts exactly.

@@alanngli if it doesn't just give him 15-20 minutes and it will.

I got to work with VFA-213 Blacklions aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt during OIF. I pride myself on the fact that I got to be a part of their final deployment. The Tomcat has always been my favorite bird, and to have a hand in that small bit of history was something I could never have dreamed of as a kid.

My dad was in the airforce when I was a kid, I apparently watched topgun everyday on repeat.lol. he worked more with the f18 simulators when I was around. I have a pic of my self at 1 sitting in the cockpit of a f18, and it is still one of my favourite pictures from my childhood.

If your children enjoy aircraft ( especially good ones like the F-14) I'm sure they will remember that for the rest of their lives as no plane will ever win hearts like the legendary tomcat

@@joshsmyth130 ^^+1 to Air Force brats watching Top gun on repeat. One of the reason why I have a nephew named maverick. 🤣

I was there as well. Awesome but wanted to see so much more

Along with the 15

Nah the F4 phantom is the 60s muscle car, the F14 is more like a viper

The Cat isn't outdated...they just retired the AIM-54 and the cat was the only one to carry it. They could have done a redesign on the Cat for the 21st century but kept it's general characteristics and had the best fighter in the world

@@aaronsanborn4291 I see no way to change F-14s into "the best fighter in the world". Their radar cross section has been compared to B-52 bombers. You could create the world's sexiest Gen 4.5 fighter...but it would also perhaps be the most expensive to operate. Swing-wing planes were a brief fad. They provided benefits in the 60s and 70s, extending the range of flyable airspeeds for large and heavy supersonic planes. But innovations in relaxed-stability and fly-by-wire soon provided similar benefits with less complexity and at lower cost. Designing a wing to support a 70,000 lb fighter turning at 10Gs was already challenging enough. Having that wing also be a moving part was right on the edge of what was possible, even using titanium. Every swing-wing design I'm familiar with ended up unexpectedly costly to operate, due to wear and tear on the severely-stressed moving wing components. From Aerospaceweb: "The F-14 is currently the most expensive aircraft to operate in the Navy inventory, requiring 40 to 60 maintenance manhours per flight hour. For comparison, the F-18 Hornet requires only 20 hours of maintenance and the latest F-18E/F Super Hornet requires just 10 to 15 hours. These high maintenance costs played a large role in the Navy's decision to move the retirement of the F-14 up from 2010 to 2006. - answer by Jeff Scott, 13 April 2003" But they're some of the coolest-looking aircraft ever!

@@CromemcoZ2 The f24 isn’t meant to be stealth. Just like the f18. The super tomcat 21 would’ve been a much more capable plane compared to the super hornet. Which is already a very powerful aircraft.

The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.

Go back and listen again. What Simon said was “hopelessly outclassed in close-quarters dogfights.” If you engaged a MiG-17 or 19 in a low and slow, close-quarters turning battle while in an F-4, you probably got what you deserved for choosing to fight their fight.

@@markhamstra1083 Robin Olds said in an interview that the F-4 could out turn the Mig-21 at low altitude But yeah dont turnfight farmers and frescoes lmao

@@IgnoredAdviceProductions Yeah, 21 is a different story.

@@markhamstra1083 Even that's not really true. All those soviet fighters had absolutely abysmal flying qualities. The wing may be making the lift but you had to be a wizard to keep it under control. "Close quarter" is a fairly vague description and there are a variety of fights WVR that you can capitalize on the F-4s superior speed and thrust. "Close quarter" doesn't mean low and slow.

Out of curiosity based on your statement, did you get to fly both? Or just the Hornet? If both, I'm curious how you'd compare and contrast the two in terms of how they fly, not necessarily their combat capability, but the feel of either one as they take off, land, turn, speed up, slow down, etc.?

Did you feel the need, the need for speed?

@@twilightgryphon To my mind, the F-14 was always more of a muscle car: heavy, durable, powerful; the Hornet was more of a sports car: sleek, speedy, and easy to fly. As I said, the Hornet was a joy to fly, even if the reason I wanted to go into Naval Aviation was from watching the F-14 in movies.

You won't be the only one. I am sure the Navy got extremely high ROI from Top Gun......... :-)

@@jonathanthink5830 True; and, the Air Force can't beat the CDI factor of Summer Whites!

it's probably truer to say it's nick-name is the "F-one eleven" given Aardvark never stuck

Aardvark never stuck?! It stuck like glue in the US & UK.

Wait for Simon to do a vid on the F-22 where he will repeatedly call it the... F Double Two.

I winced every time he said that! My pop was a Sgt in the AF and worked on the 111 and 15.

or "The Pig"

My dad was a radar / electronics tech at the Bethpage plant, similar story, small world!

Oil money

Was that when the big bills got spent? what was it a $500 or $1000 bill that got spent. Rare flex.

Cash that was loaned to them by the CIA...

Huge mistake by America. Should have never sold birds so iconic and capable to a nation of evil.

Even more so when standing on "Vulture's Row" during flight ops... One of my radar rooms was near there, so I saw them a lot...

Mooch is awesome. Dude gave me a whole new perspective on the premature retirement of the F-14.

@@sledgehammerk35 Absolutely. I'll never, ever be a pilot. I'm blinder than a bat, but I LOVE planes, all aviation really. I watch the heck out of that channel, because it's probably the closest I'll get to a cockpit.

@@dakotahrickard You could try playing DCS, they have a pretty damn good F-14 module and a module for the F-4E is planned to be released this year. DCS isn't perfect but it's probably about as close to flying a plane that a desktop simulation can get.

Ward also knows what a sidewinder missile looks like, this video shows a radar missile as a heat seeking sidewinder.

@@Akm72 I've thought about it. I lack the sight for that. My vision is pretty much non-existent. Still, thanks for the heads up. I wouldn't mind checking out a legit DCS rig at some point.

The F-4 may be crapped on in this video, but remained in service for longer, for more countries, and had a higher number of kills. That the planes you worked on still fly for NATO, South Korea, and Iran says a lot about how good the F-4 is.

Don't forget the F4's M61 cannon pod that sat under the fuselage aswell

@@twotone3471 How good they became after numerous upgrades* Which this video doesn't dispute, just says that in the Vietnam conflict they were not capable outmaneuvering their adversaries in a dogfight, which is true or there wouldn't have been that many upgrades afterwards.

@@Yeet42069 In the late 60s, automatic slats were added that greatly improved maneuverability, but they also degraded speed.

Sir that’s crazy. Thank you for what you’ve done for the aviation community, the F4 is one of the coolest things ever.!!!

As of 2023 there are only eight F-14s left in the Boneyard in a preserved status

It's gonna be a sick movie, but I'm disappointed that they used the f18 instead of a modern equivalent to the f14 of the 80s. Though I totally understand that the f18 has been the most abundant carrier based fighter since then

@@bryannelson8852 ... ... The F35 has been underperforming, meanwhile the F18 Superhornet is over performing.

@@bryannelson8852 also, twin engine so the silhouette is closer.

it's hard to see how it won't be good - any half decent writer on being given the concept should be able to land it

@@jamesdykes517 - the most practical craft wins out - shame it wasn't something a bit prettier than the F-18 - it's not bad but hardly iconic.

Maaaan... I loved Robotech as a kid 👍

“Elite”

As an Anime Fan and Niece of Admiral Connolly when I first saw Macross in our Anime club. I was like holy sheet that’s my Uncles plane.

Veritech fighter

@@gpatty6538 depends how you look at it...in super dimension fortress macross the terms used are Valkyrie fighter,Gerwalk and battroid and in robotech the macross saga the terms are veritch fighter,Guardian and battloid

I’ll second that !

It’s an awesome bit of track iv ridden to Oonandatta track a few times now and done sections of the Ghan service roads

Great idea! I don't mean to be pedantic, but as a local I have to point out the Ghan is a specific luxury train service - the railway itself is known (more boringly) as the "Adelaide-Darwin rail corridor". Some years ago I travelled from Adelaide to Alice Springs on the same line, but not on the Ghan. It wasn't particularly luxurious, but the views were stunning!

@@rkirke1 I think Michael Portillo did a show re that for BBC. The whole series is worth watching if you like iconic train journeys.

My teenage son and I (we live in South Dakota, USA) rode the Ghan from Adelaide to Alice Springs (about half way across the Australian continent) in June 2019. It was a wonderful experience. We were happy to have ridden on that amazing and historical train. We met many nice people from all over the globe. Passengers rent small bedroom suites. Among other highlights, that was the only time in my life where I was able to take a shower on a moving train. Editorial point: thrust is a unit of force measured in “pounds” (not “foot pounds” or “pound feet”)… or “newtons” for those who don’t speak American-ese. Thank you Simon (and your helpers) for your interesting videos.

It went away because of cost. In 1973 the cost of an F14A was 38 million. In 2022 dollars, that is over 240 million per F14A. Over time in 2022 dollars, the cost went down to, 160 million per, F14B/D. Maintenance cost was also insane and Maintenance time. The swept wing mechanism was stupid expensive to maintain to very timely as well. In 2022 dollars, the Maintenance cost for a F14 was higher than the Maintenance cost for a F22 and F35. So this while complaining about the cost of the, F35 I dumb. The F14 was way more expensive but cost is now only on everybody opinion because of social media and everyone thinking that they are experts on everything because of social media. Also, Dick Chaney had a bunch of stock options on the F18s manufacturer. Chaney wanted that manufacturer stock to grow, no better way than to cancel F14 and push full production of the F18 and F18 Super Hornet.

ae koo ruuirie

To be certain, it is EASY to mistake HARM for Sparrow.

@@katherineberger6329 Yea, but the caption says AIM-9 Sidewinder (which is in the background).

It's still the best except for the raptor and maybe the grippen.

Well played , Simon! You FUNNY...you funny-man!

Brothers are your worst enemy until someone else picks on them. Then you become the wingman!🤨

Qantas dosent fly ti nyc

@@itsosi4556 they do, on the 787 via a Los Angeles stopover

That is the closest an F15 ever got to losing an engagement

Hi, that is true yup but a tomcat did also land with most of it's wing missing.

"Splash the Zeros. I say again, splash the Zeros."

That movie was fun, but the ending was one of the greatest blueball moments in film history lol.

Plus, that movie also had the correct sounds for the 20mm cannon. A lot of movies, including Top Gun and Top Gun: Maverick, change the sound to something more like a .50 cal.

Yeah, those big Delta wings bleed a ton of speed so you can really only get one or two good turns in before you're out of energy

It's more of a topic for a video on one of his other channels. Maybe add movies he's seen but hates and we can have a TopTenz video.

@@Badgerofoccam He'd still be stuck at 3 :) Perhaps we get Danny to write it and force Simon to read a script describing his love for Star Wars and Harry potter ;)

Nah basmemt danny scripts most of these videos, and being a nerd locked up in a basment he should have a vast collection of retro movies

And his love for LOTR 🥸🤢🤓

You missed perhaps Grumman's most successful creation.... the LLV. The very newest ones are 27 years old and yet there are untold numbers of them every day toodling around neighborhoods delivering mail.

Did Midway (the original) not have some Hellcats in it?

The heat, the rush of exhaust. The smell! The rumbling deck and ultimately the release of the bird. Truly awesome power.

You left off AC-130, and A-10. 2 aircraft still putting warheads on foreheads today.

@@Sturm01 I left off a lot, mate. It's just a few examples, but I'd be there all day if I were to list all the classic Cold War warbirds that bring a smile to my face.

@@bigal3055 fair point. I'll admit 2 of my 3 faves are WW2 era birds. Corsair, and Spits. The 3rd is the A-10 and that's from seeing them so often from ground while they gave us support.

@@Sturm01 I used to see the A-10s flying over my uncle's place in Norfolk (the English Norfolk, not the Virginia Norfolk). Such a distinctive sound and an instantly recognisable silhouette. There truly were some beautiful airframes that came out of the 2nd world war, but my heart was always set racing by the big Cold War bombers. They just had a brutality to them that has been lost with newer designs. The Handley-Page Victor literally scared me as a kid. Look at one of those head on, they didn't just look mean, they looked down right evil! Of course, the Ruskies are still keeping their Tupelov fleets going and the ever reliable B-52 still has some legs on her for a few more years, but it'll be a sad day for me when those old beasts are put out to pasture.

My pop-pop has a document about him “being instrumental in the development of the engine for the F-15” from a general of the Airforce.

Macross Zero baby! So so good!

“North Carolina law darts” 😂 my uncle was in airframes for 12 years and I’ve heard lots of good jokes but that one is solid

Wish we could've seen the Super Cat

F-15s needed a lot of restrictions on the Tomcat to stand a chance against it..mostly in regards to radar. Eagles were locked up and dead before they could even find the Tomcat.

Given that the Hornet was being designed long before Battlestar Galactica was a thing and first flew the same year it was broadcast, i think he was pulling your pisser there. Still, I'd like to think that the afterburners on the Hornet were activated by a little red button on the joystick labelled 'Turbo'.

I too served during this time as an ABH (tractors) on USS constellation. Fair Winds and Following Seas to the grape.

It shouldve been retired in the 80s, it was never that good to begin with

@@IgnoredAdviceProductions ; Ward Carroll disagrees.

@@Johnnycdrums Copied from someone else who brought him up: I've been on that video, it's a joke. A design proposal is not a good frame of reference. You sound like those people who say the F-20 is better than the F-16 because it would carry AMRAAMs in service. As for maintenance, you're taking an aircraft with high maintenance requirements as a result of its swing wings, keeping that dead-end feature, adding even more complex technology, and you're trying to tell me it's fixing the problem? This really isn't how you gain credibility. The Tomcat couldn't even justify the cost of upgrading it with AMRAAMs or a 2.5 billion dollar air to ground retrofit. The navy was only allowed to install a LANTIRN pod before it was finally removed from service. The cost of effectively rebuilding the Tomcat would have been monumental, the jet doesn't have a lot of growth potential the same way the other teen series do. And finally, you were talking about the actual Tomcat being superior to the F-35 and F-18 in it's role as a fleet defender. The problem with that argument is that any carrier based fighter can defend the fleet. Sea Harriers managed to effectively defend Britain's carriers during the Falklands war and all they had were Sidewinders. The Hornet and Lightning both have lower radar cross sections, carry superior missiles, have more advanced digital systems, and lower radar cross section. In a hypothetical situation where a carrier battle group was under attack, the F-35 could knock 4 enemy bombers without the escort ever knowing it was there. Even assuming the enemy bombers SOMEHOW got through the AMRAAM slinging lightnings and hornets, they would still come under attack from the escorting ships, and if by some miracle they do survive and launch their missiles, the missiles would have to go through layered defenses as well, such as the rolling frame missile defense, phalanx CIWS, electronic countermeasures like jamming, and chaff decoys. There is no void in the fleet with the F-14's departure. War changes, and the dedicated fleet defender has not been needed since the 80s.

It went away because of cost. In 1973 the cost of an F14A was 38 million. In 2022 dollars, that is over 240 million per F14A. Over time in 2022 dollars, the cost went down to, 160 million per, F14B/D. Maintenance cost was also insane and Maintenance time. The swept wing mechanism was stupid expensive to maintain to very timely as well. In 2022 dollars, the Maintenance cost for a F14 was higher than the Maintenance cost for a F22 and F35. So this while complaining about the cost of the, F35 I dumb. The F14 was way more expensive but cost is now only on everybody opinion because of social media and everyone thinking that they are experts on everything because of social media. Also, Dick Chaney had a bunch of stock options on the F18s manufacturer. Chaney wanted that manufacturer stock to grow, no better way than to cancel F14 and push full production of the F18 and F18 Super Hornet.

Couple things there. Yeah maintenance was super complex and all, but so is the F35. Also, Grumman offered an upgrade to the ST21; basically making every Tomcat a super one and compatible for 21st-century needs at the time, and a cost of no more than six figures for each Tomcat to receive the upgrade. My personal opinion: as long as long-range ballistic missiles or long-range bombing capabilities exist among potential adversaries there's always a need for something like the Tomcat.

That's why he should do a movie review channel. No matter what movie it is, he'd be seeing it for the first time.

Also might be confusing the fact that the tomcat could land with one Wing retracted and the other extended in emergency situations.

The f15 incident you mention occurred with an Israeli F15, the F14 incident was an American aircraft. It is understandable these two incidents can sometimes intermix in memory as they occurred chronologically close to each other.

@@javiermoya2801 Interesting, I tried looking up the F-14 one and didnt see anything immediately obvious, thanks c:

That's nothing. An F8 pilot was ready to rip into the ground crew when after his plane took off it handled horribly. Then he shit himself after looking outside for problems. He forgot to fold the wings down. He managed to land though. And the designers were very proud of themselves. KZfaq it.

@@icecold9511 Thats hilarious! Ill have to look it up

Hey, would you be willing to talk more about your experiences flying the Tomcat? I'm trying to make a more unbiased video talking about the Tomcats weaknesses and you could really help. Thanks!

@@IgnoredAdviceProductions I would be happy to.

They were nicknamed Iron Works because the Wildcat and Hellcat could absorb an incredible amount of battle damage but could still fly home

Yup! Splash the Zeros!!!

Too bad the showdown between the USS Nimitz and Nagumo’s Japanese carrier force never happened.

@@dinomonzon7493 I was disappointed about that too.

Both sides used Cavalier P-51D Mustangs, F4U-1, -4, and -5 Corsairs, T-28 Trojans, AT-6C Texans, C-47s, and even civilian air craft strapped with bombs and machine guns. 2 Honduran Corsairs engaged 2 Salvadorian TF-51D Cavalier Mustang IIs which were attacking another flight of Honduran Corsairs. Those Corsairs downed both Mustangs. Later that day, those two same Corsair pilots downed two Salvadorian Goodyear FG-1D Corsairs.

I believe the Saudi Tornado F.3s did have auto-wingsweep.

@@Akm72 To be 100% accurate, all Tornadoes out of the factory have the HLWSCU (High Lift Wing Sweep Control Unit) fitted. RAF disabled it because better performance can be gained manually. I’m not sure what other countries did but I think you are correct about Saudi.

@@donaldduck9727 Thanks for the reply. Did the Tornado IDS have HLWSCU module fitted? (Seriously, who came up with that designation?!)

@@Akm72 I’d have to assume so, but best to ask a GAF or ItAF pilot

Could also been an AGM-54 Shrike.

@@The_real_Arovor yeah I didn't pause and look so I only saw it once at normal playback speed, at first glance it looked like a HARM, I could just instantly tell it wasn't an AIM-9 tho.

@@evangalinsky2499 I checked it, the slightly bended tips off the forward wings clearly identify it as a AGM-88. But these are hard to tell apart.

the Fleet Phantoms didn't bring guns, except for that one f4b that brought 3 pods once For all the effort the air force put into an internal gun for the Phantom, the F4E only got 4 gun kills, while the Navy gave their phantoms better missiles and a pulse doppler radar that can look downwards through the ground clutter

@@IgnoredAdviceProductions I know they didn't always bring guns but I'm just correcting his statement that made it sound like any F-4 couldn't have any guns at all.

The F-14 cant do the vast majority of the roles of the F-18 and F-35, and the "fleet defender" role is no longer that serious with shipboard defenses. The only capability the Navy misses is the range of the Tomcat, nothing else.

Wrong… F-14 is air to air big interceptor. Required crazy maintenance for every hour flown. Hornet does it all . Besides USAF global reach means Carriers can focus on sinking ships not long range interception

Money was not the issue. Down time is the problem. If you need to ground a plane for 1 to 2 days for each sortie it’s a problem. F-18 fixed that for Navy.

@@AlexdaFlash Yes maintenance was the main issue, but the Tomcat was less capable than the Hornet anyways. It should've been retired in the 80s but the Navy wouldn't let it go.

@@IgnoredAdviceProductions I heard when it landed crews would say it leaked fluid everywhere. I agree, hornet capability is well rounded for Naval Aviation. Tomcat is popular because of Hollywood. The reality is something else.

Not one flies. In fact most have been crushed to ensure Iran never gets spare parts. They were majestic birds, incredible to watch fly, land and especially on take off. Truly a one of a kind bird. Don’t get too close to the intakes though.

You have to go to Iran to see a F14 in person.

@@jacksonlee3771 At least to see one fly in person, there are a lot of F-14s in museums that you can see, they just can't fly. Just about all of them have had the engines removed. There is a Tomcat that is in a museum in Tallahassee, FL that still has the engines but after it was flown there for the museum, something was done to the engines that made them unable to be used again.

If I were a billionaire I'd buy one for crop dusting - try and buy land next to an angry old farmer that doesn't give a damn that I have an F-14

Sounds nice except the ones that aren't in museums have all been destroyed.

They were still carrying the Phoenix after being cleared to drop bombs and getting LANTIRN. The missile had nothing to do with the decision to turn the Tomcat into a strike fighter

@@davidryan7981 : As I understand it, the ones in museums have been basically "destroyed" as well, with large holes drilled into internal structural components to avoid spares reaching Iran via black market. They are all husks unable of ever flying again.

@@Solidboat123 True but, if the potus requires you to eyeball your target before you can fire it kinda defeats the advantage of 125mi range. Carter tied our hands the same way in my 1st VF squadron, Phantoms, VF-33. We mounted Bushnell scopes next to the heads up display.