I'm sure they have the ink-cartridge on special... once a year (it seems propriety...). But I'm not sure why they just don't keep those modules permanently installed (or, if you skip the ink, you can leave it out) - this looks like a hassle, always modules 'lying around' and, for certain jobs, you have to swap them mid-project. Clumsy.

Yes, please, hope he can show us!

Yes! I do stickers and business cards for businesses and this would be a game changer

​​@@cinaiperez2847 No, it wouldn't, the cartridge is only CMY with no black so a) dark colours are muddy because there's no true black ink b) mixing all colours to get black = you use a lot of colour inks which are more expensive than true black So you're better off printing on a real printer and then cutting.

@@cinaiperez2847 No, it won't. No black in the cartridge.

This.. yes

They have a trade up option. Trade in your older machine for an upgrade, and get up to $500 off the upgrade. Hope this helps.

@@forgetmoi Thanks - but thats not worth it :)

Exactly! Two more points: 1. They make weird hardware design decisions like not including red cross in M1 and using a red dot to measure distance or not include a camera in M1 Ultra (even though they could add a detail camera like in P2). 2. The app looks nice at first look and is easy to start but missing a lot of functionality for more advanced users of existing models. They rarely fix that, instead focusing on adding new features for the newest model. One of the cases in point: when they added the riser for M1, the honeycomb is not vertically aligned with the bottom plate, but the software only has a "height raised" choice between prisms and no prisms.

I totally feel the same, which is why this round I decided to skip and wait till M1 Ultra and S1 were merged to a single device in future even after I placed the deposit (they could have did that this round with the M1 ultra to start with but I guess they don't want to kill S1 and they have stock to clear). M1 ultra's processing size is limited even a downgrade compared to original M1, also especially compared to S1 plus not supporting passing through & conveyor. M1 ultra's inkjet printer head didn't really attracts me after seeing the actual results which is a bit pale and muddy even on paper. If they managed to do a decent sublimation print head or UV print head in future plus with decent processing size comparible to S1 with 2W infrared head for plastics and metal etc. engraving. Then I will consider to invest all in one go. I already own P2 and F series so for me, I just need a decent cutter crafting machine not another laser especially with limited processing area. So for sublimation print head or UV print head, I need to wait and see, but for die cutting itself, cricut at the moment even suits better at a lower price point and I could do print then cut with cricut anyway with long roll material to cut at a smaller footprint of space.

The cleaning aspect I should have hit on. You would probably want to have a sheet below the cutting tray you can also take out to keep the bottom clean.

@@makeorbreakshop thanks for your response. That makes sense, it’s just that I know how much mess I make with my lasers and how difficult it can be to clean if you don’t keep on top of it. To my mind it would be even more crucial when the other functions of the system would require a smooth flat surface for their optimum performance.

Unlikely. The M1 users came up a workaround: when using the laser, put a sheet of aluminium foil on the bottom plate. This keeps the bottom plate clean and is easy to remove when you change to cutting on a mat.

Kind of like finding out the younger sibling would have been a better pick ;)

thanks!

It's nowhere near as good as an actual printer and much more wasteful because they use a CMY cartridge, so there's no true black, it has to be mixed from all colours.

I have found that the term "deposit" is problematic when a nonEnglish company uses it in English material. My 3d printer had a pay $50 dollar deposit and get $200 off. I paid it expecting the $50 to go towards the cost of the machine (this is standard practice in the USA). But I could not get the $50 deposit to apply. Turns out the $50 was less a deposit, and more the cost of the $200 discount code. So in actuality, I was only saving $150.

agreed!

Very glad to read that comment as I recently bought a scan and cut.

yeh that was one of my biggest concerns

Would be very wasteful because there's no black ink in the cartridge.

On the livestream I believe they said $25

It's a HP CMY cartridge

Apples and oranges. This is not a direct replacement, it's an upgrade from cricut - effectively three machines in one.

Go with the 40w S1. I bought a 20W S1, its a great machine which I use daily, but having double power, which means almost double speed, would be awesome. The P2 would be even better, if you are talking about a pro small shop setup. There are alternatives in the P2 Price range though, you should check your options there.

I think it depends on your application if the 40W is worth it. You'll lose some precision with the higher power as the spot size of the beam is larger.

Even better get a silhouette

My job here is done

Ha best comment yet.

The price point on these machines is different than 3D printing, BUT a big difference is the amount of products you can create is WAY faster compared to 3D printing. If you spent 3K on a larger industrial machine your output goes up exponentially. Unlike 3D printing you don't have to add a new machine to double output, a single larger laser can speed things up a good bit.

there is a small filter inside that fan unit. Later off camera I had that plugged into xTool's larger filter unit.

Yeh totally not apples to apples, but when you add on everything else it can do the price is a little more justified.

yep

Not with laser as it's a diode

I've had some people ask to pay me money to make long videos shorter...

Not everyone has the space for three different machines.

@@YaaLFH i get that, but some compromises are just a compromise too much. But hey, if someone only engraves and doesn’t cut plywood then maybe it’s not such a bad use case.

@@j.4941 All you need to do to avoid a mess is put a sheet of aluminium foil on the bottom. But hey, if that's too complicated for you, then maybe it's not the idea that's dumb.