The NEW Sigma 85 Art DN for Sony e-Mount Review
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Күн бұрынSigma comes out swinging with a newer, smaller, sharper edition of their hallowed 85 1.4 Art lens, this time as a digital native for Sony E-mount. But how does it stack up to the already excellent Sony 85 1.4GM? Let's find out!
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@YxngKaz 3 жыл бұрын
This s amazing keep up the work I love supporting good channels like this
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
I love supporting commenters like this 👆🏻🙏🏻
@simonfuller76 3 жыл бұрын
Wes, thanks so much for putting in so much personal vibe and what seems to be valuable real working experience to this comparison. I like that you share your pain as well as your passion. That seems to have been my experience with so much equipment during the years, so many woohoo moments follow by wtf is this thing doing and why moments. Gear will give and it will confuse us. The Sony 85 f1.8 has been so lovely to me for so long, and maybe the Sigma can be a better fit, maybe. Thanks again.
@arthurb1400 3 жыл бұрын
Nice review Wes ! Looks like this lens has a lot of GM features with fast AF :)
@ak4939 3 жыл бұрын
I ordered the 85/1.8 and now deciding to cancel it and go for this Sigma DN lens. Thanks for the review.
@artmaltman 3 жыл бұрын
Great reviews Wes, I love your style - concise, clear and perceptive. How do you feel that the Samyang and the Sigma compare? Thank you.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Although I haven’t used the Samyang, I have looked at a lot of files and videos. The Sigma is undoubtably sharper and much faster/more reliable for AF.
@jackwern8685 3 жыл бұрын
Very timely for me Wes as I've just asked for a trade in price against my Sony 85mm 1.8. The 1.8 has been on my camera once but I don't like the purple fringing! Thanks for all the testing you do to help people like me.👍
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks!
@andyqbui 3 жыл бұрын
I used to own the 85 GM. I started to feel like it was old technology. It's slower and louder than most newer lenses. I sold it and used the money to upgrade my camera and had money left so I bought the Viltrox 85 STM II. I have to say, the Viltrox is legit and I don't miss the GM at all.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
The Viltrox is indeed a surprisingly great lens!
@wendystumbaugh695 3 жыл бұрын
So, my friend... I purchased the Sigma and just sold my GMaster. Your video makes me smile. Soooo excited about my 85mm future. Great video, Wes. What have you decided to do?
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
When I have some money (covid has not been kind) I’ll be selling the GM for the Sigma for sure.
@GregThurtle 3 жыл бұрын
I think the 85GM is my favourite 85mm i've ever used even after shooting canon and nikon so good to see sigma's new 85mm is amazing and much lighter than before. I'd be worried that I'd sell the GM and then not get as much meaning the cost to change would be some money rather than a free swap. For now i'll stick with the GM and try and borrow my mates used 85mm sigma
@MrShazaamable 9 ай бұрын
How did you get on
@BenHowlandPhoto 3 жыл бұрын
I had the exact same dilemma. I ended up selling the GM even though I love it, as the weight and size of the Sigma are amazing over a long wedding day.
@wendystumbaugh695 3 жыл бұрын
I did, too, Ben!!!
@Tvj_films8452 3 жыл бұрын
I heard the 85 g master is noisy and slow as hell. I think you just in love with the brand. But 24-70 g master all day. It doesnt have that issue.
@AOJOPhotography 2 жыл бұрын
are u happy with your decision? I have been thinking about this for a couple months but just could not do it!
@BenHowlandPhoto 2 жыл бұрын
@@AOJOPhotography 100%. For wedding days, size and weight are a significant factor. To me, the 85 DG DN delivers everything the 85GM can, with the notable exception of distortion (which is terrible on the Sigma). I simply correct for distortion in post when necessary, and enjoy the permanent size/weight savings. I think an 85GM v2 is imminent within 12-18 months, but there's no guarantee Sony will choose the same sacrifices that Sigma has.
@WesPerry 2 жыл бұрын
The V2 will likely be a 1.2 Lena, which is unlikely to be any lighter
@thinkinginpictures4071 3 жыл бұрын
I'm going for the Sigma. Although- and to its credit- I still think the 85mm 1.4 GM has a slight advantage in the OOF areas. I've sold my 85mm 1.8 (Twice) because even though it's a great lens, I just don't care for the bokeh. The Sigma seems to correct that issue with the bonus of pretty damn good AF from what I've read. I'm in...
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’ve never cared for the look of the 1.8
@lattesweden 3 жыл бұрын
I have had the Batis 85/1.8 for some years, I like it, but when they recently had the Sigma 85/1.4 DN on a campaign I couldn't resist to pick one up. Haven't tested it enough to say much other than the obvious. Will see when I get a chance to actually shot some portraits with it if I can sell the Batis.
@fauzanjamahat1 3 жыл бұрын
How was it? Did u keep or sell the batis? Im Considering to buy either batis or sigma
@lattesweden 3 жыл бұрын
@@fauzanjamahat1 We have had cloudy skies and rain since end of November plus social distancing so haven't had any possibility to test it out enough yet.
@fauzanjamahat1 3 жыл бұрын
@@lattesweden i see, But in your testing around the house or casual testing, is there any massive difference in bokeh or sharpness?
@rizatamin 3 жыл бұрын
Hey wes,what body did you use when you took that running sequence?the a9 or the a7iii? Great review as always btw :)
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
a9. Had to be sure. ;) In all the focus comparisons I was swapping them back and forth on the a9, which was annoying but necessary. For the flare and bokeh comparisons I just had one on the a9 and one on the a7iii.
@rizatamin 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry thanks! I knew you’re that type of person who would make sure to test it out with all conditions/bodies available (i would too), while most people out there only test it in a perfectly lit portrait session.so far only you and dustin abbott who provides us with fast moving subject AF test with portrait lens which i really appreciate it ;)
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
thanks! I think it's very important to have photoshoots in 'uncontrolled circumstances' while testing things. When we KZfaqrs do nothing but KZfaq and arrange/plan our own shoots that will yield the best possible results, we essentially remove all the elements that truly create a make or break situation for photography equipment. If I don't have a professional (paid client work) shoot that I can use gear I'm testing on, I purposefully arrange shoots that I think will stress the boundaries of what the gear is actually capable of. With the shoot in the woods, the concept I gave the model was "I'm gonna shoot into the sun with a busy background and get lens flares." Thankfully she was still up for it. haha. Unfortunately the 24GM didn't fare nearly as well in that test (a lens that most have called essentially perfect). It's too easy to lose sight of why we do this!
@rizatamin 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry that’s exactly what i thought! And i agree with that 24mm GM.i tested it but found it didnt live up to it reputation as many has called.and i almost sold my 70-200gm for the 135mm GM since everyone said it focus faster and better.but then i saw your review and it got me rethink and decided not to.thanks for always keeping it real Wes!
@terencemorrissey4413 3 жыл бұрын
Wes if you didn’t already have a 85mm lens which one would you choose now, Sony 85mm F/1.4 or Sigma 85mm F/1.4? The price is approximately the same if you buy a used Sony.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely the Sigma
@ronmallari440 3 жыл бұрын
I’m in the same boat Wes. I have the 85GM and love it but get frustrated with the autofocus as well. Debating whether to sell it to get this Sigma. What did you end up deciding to do?!
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
It’s winter. All the buying is on pause while the income stops coming in. Haha
@fluxcapacitor3273 3 жыл бұрын
I had GM85 as well,,, i was not happy with sharpness at F1.4 and contrast seems a bit low to me, before selling it, i got Sigma 85DG DN, man it'z crazy sharp at F1.4 comparing to GM, i never any close results with GM comparing to Sigma shots. Contrast, it's sky rocketed with Sigma. Only two negatives with sigma, huge pincussion distortion, it can be fixed without hurting resolution but it's huge without corrections applied, also sharpness at extreme corners are just mehhhh, center - mid center circle is awesome sharp where you generally put portraits eyes, out of mid-center area, sharpnes drops . Other than these two things, i wish it had close focusing distance..
@matonamagopeni8366 Жыл бұрын
For first purchase lens, would you recommend I buy Sigma 24-70 f2.8 or Sigma 85mm f1.4?. Mostly wedding photography and video
@WesPerry Жыл бұрын
I would 100% recommend the Sigma 85 DN for a portrait lens. I’m not familiar enough with their 24-70 though (I rarely shoot zooms, and haven’t used that one).
@stefan_becker 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review! Believe it or not: I'm also undecided and currently have both lenses at home. Probably I'll sell the 85mm G-Master since the Sigma is smaller and sharper with almost as good bokeh. The only thing that really annoys me is the distortion of the Sigma and that there is no Lightroom / Capture One lens profile for it yet. But I hope this is just a question of time.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
I find the capture one default profile does fine for it. But it would indeed be nice to have a specific one.
@stefan_becker 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry It was released today 😎👌
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Dammit! I already sent it back! Haha
@Kaisolostudio 3 жыл бұрын
I’m thinking of choosing this sigma over the tamron 70-180 for portraits and landscapes 😅
@cow77cow 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in the same situation.
@Kaisolostudio 3 жыл бұрын
@@cow77cow hey! I went with the sigma 85 1.4. It takes phenomenal portraits. My 2 cents are if you primarily take portraits, than get the 85, but if you want to take a wider range of landscapes and indoor sports, go with the tamron 🤙🏽
@rjexplorationandreviews2936 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Wes Ricky here.. We already talked about these two.. I love the GM because of the creamy dreamy lens it is.. The Sigma I feel is very Clinical.. I love the out of focus area on the GM more and think it's more flattering for portraits. The Sigma is a great lens with nice AF That's better than the GM but is the AF worth giving up on the things I love on the GM? I still need an 85 an it is killing me that I just don't know what to do. If sony would bring out a new 85mm 1.4 GM that would be a winner for me and I would pay 600$ more since it would hold it's value better and Normally you buy a lens that lasts for a long time.. Sigma lenses like Tamron lenses often have dust problems and Sony are less prone to that.. Okay now that I wrote all this I think I will wait 6-8 months and see what sony does.. Please sony give us a fantastic 85mm 1.4 like the 135mm GM lens for less thean 1800$
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
I’m expecting an 85 1.2 GM for about $2800 to be the replacement. They’ll be emboldened by canon’s lens moves.
@desertbornproductions 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Wes, for wedding photography would you go for the sigma 85mm or g-master 85mm to have on one camera all day?
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
The sigma. In good light the GM is fine, but at weddings you can’t always rely on that. The Sigma is so much more reliable.
@desertbornproductions 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry Thanks. That's great news, save some $$$
@pianoman1973 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review - I own the Sony 85 1.8 and later bought the Samyang 1.4 ... I like it thus far so not sure I'd buy the Sigma yet. My advise for you - Sell the GM :) BTW - In the table you you displayed for the scores , I saw you gave the 135 GM auto focus a score of 8 , although you praised it in the video..... got me a little confused :)
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, autofocus is a very tricky thing that I have to oversimplify in my explanations, or else spend a whole video on. I mentioned in the 135GM video that I took issue with everyone comparing that lens’ AF to EVERY lens, saying it was the best ever. Which I felt put me in the uncomfortable situation of having to do the same...when it in fact doesn’t compare favourably to a lot of lenses designed specifically for sports and fast AF. Additionally, it gets dicey with fast moving subjects that are near to the camera. BUT, when it does work, it focuses faster, snappier than any other portrait lens I’ve used. However, I found the Sigma to be more effortless and more consistent, less situation dependent, even if it doesn’t drive from far to near as quickly as the 135. Additionally, in my scoring of the Sigma, I’m only comparing it to other portrait lenses, not sport lenses, as I didn’t notice anyone else doing any such thing. There’s just too much to account for, and it’s simply not possible to make a score in a vacuum. Very tricky.
@pianoman1973 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry Thanks for the thorough explanation !
@sh8736 3 жыл бұрын
Wes what would you consider a sports lens then? And nice to see your cat I’ve missed it 😺
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Something like the 70-200GM. But personally I even found something as simple as the 55Zeiss to be an all around better focusing lens.
@fluxcapacitor3273 3 жыл бұрын
I sold GM85 and bought Sigma 85DG DN-, it's colors, sharpness wide open is miles away from Sony, it's much sharper with a lot more contrast, pop color, like edited in PS. Amazing lens. Sharpness in the center is awesome, mid area is great, corner sharpness is not that good. I cant decide between Sigma 85 and GM135,,,GM 135 is harder to use, due to focal lenght and F1.8, it requires better handling and much faster shutter speeds to have tack sharp photos. GM135 's extreme corners are almost as sharp as center , amazing piece of glass.I'm in love with both lenses, wish sigma had close focus distance like GM135.
@fluxcapacitor3273 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Wes, have you ever compared GM135 to Sigma 85? What's your findings espescially portrait distance sharpness mid corner-corner ? thanks.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t compare them directly, but I would say that the 135 has better flare resistance, sharper corners (not sure if it’s sharper in the middle. It would be close), and of course lets you get a little closer.
@fluxcapacitor3273 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry thanks for quick reply.
@fluxcapacitor3273 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry one question, which of these two you could keep if you had to choose one? :)
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
The Sigma. I’m just not a huge fan of the 135 focal length. Too limiting.
@sixlitrehair 3 жыл бұрын
Im still waiting for the new sigma 135mm 1.8.... i hope its already on the way.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
I hadn’t heard anything about that one. Is it “official”? I don’t see how it could be anything but bigger...hopefully it’s not based on their old design and is rebuilt like the 85. At longer focal lengths there’s only so much you can do to make a lens smaller, though.
@34589k 3 жыл бұрын
I think you link to Canada Camera is not to this lens, and they appear not to carry it! Thanks for the great video!
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up. I just fixed the link. The lens doesn’t seem to be indexed properly on their website yet, but it should work now 👌🏻
@richardagassi9274 3 жыл бұрын
What about if you own the Sony 85 1.8, would you change it for the new sigma?
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Oh big time But I’ve never been a huge fan of the look of the 1.8, so that’s just my personal opinion ;)
@Carlos_Vasquez 3 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to know your thoughts on the Batis 85mm 😄
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the Batis is more than a little obsolete with the release of this lens. 😬 I know, there are many who swear by it, but it’s a really tough sell now!
@dirtysouthtiger Жыл бұрын
The Sigma 105 1.4 Art is a beast portrait lens 💪
@WesPerry Жыл бұрын
I don’t think there’s a mirrorless native version (DN) yet, though?
@dirtysouthtiger Жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry Nope just HSM
@beatmixer0097 2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for the Mark II 85GM
@frankfeng2701 3 жыл бұрын
Picked up a used Samyang 1.4 for $400. Can't beat that.
@burritobrosvideos8060 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you can lol
@HectorRiveraPhotography 3 жыл бұрын
I just sold mine 85 1.4 Sigma , and got the Sony 85 1.8 however I think I’m going to buy it back lol
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Why did you do that?? Haha
@kathysimindinger8753 3 жыл бұрын
I am tempted to sell my Sony 1.8 for the Sigma 1.4. What did you decide to do ?
@shahnawazrazi8939 3 жыл бұрын
3:12 I just want to know that which camera & lens is used for making this video ?
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
It’s listed in the description, but it’s a Sony a9 with the Sony 35 1.4ZA…I think it was probably at f/1.8
@shahnawazrazi8939 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry That's why it looks so nice... 😀
@stevesvanderpool8653 2 жыл бұрын
Might sell my Samyang for this! Gmaster refresh may compete better but for my business I need something for when I can't control the subject like kids!!!
@WesPerry 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Samyang is a bit hard to justify now that this exists. It’s more expensive yeah, but So much better. They really knocked this one out of the park n
@gregordeissler2094 3 жыл бұрын
Have the Sigma 85 1.4 DG DN and tested on A7R III and A7 III ... AF is very inconsistent, especially in low light and with backlight. Can't get the eyes focused most of the time, even if the lens has already focused on the subject it never stops hunting and micro-adjusting. When stopping down to 2.8 and lower, the Autofocus becomes even more unusable in Low light and with backlight.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
That’s very strange. On the a7iii I found the Af In low light to be wildly superior to the 85GM...I don’t think there are any firmware updates available for it yet...
@gregordeissler2094 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry maybe I have a bad copy :/
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Have you used the GM? Maybe the bar is just super low for me. Haha
@gregordeissler2094 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry only in the shop for testing and was tending towards actually getting it if the Sigma 85 wasnt just around the corner. So I waited for the Sigma to arrive and tested it as well in the shop, didnt see any issues at the time but when I had it at home and went shooting with it, AF quickly turned out to be unreliable. But i dont see anyone else complaining so im probably just very unlucky
@The8BitHero Жыл бұрын
Did those lens flare shots have the hoods on? Thanks!
@WesPerry Жыл бұрын
Yep. Always have hoods on when testing (if they come with them)
@WesPerry Жыл бұрын
But I was intentionally shooting in such a way to get flares.
@The8BitHero Жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry Thanks, good to know. Thanks for the quick followup.
@Blackriver69 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. But didn't help me at all LOL. I'm an early FE shooter so I had to make due with the 90 macro for about a year til the Batis came out. Then I ended up selling the Batis for the GM... and then I also got the Sony 1.8 to have a light weight option. Now comes the DG DN Art... and I'm stuck. The GM 85 may just be one of the last great "character" lenses. GM's have become so "perfect" that "perfection" becomes their only character. Some of my all time favorite portraits have been with the 85GM and so even though the Art seems like an obvious choice being lighter, cheaper, faster and sharper I don't know if I will get the same wow factor that I get with the GM. One of the hardest choices I've had to make. Maybe I'll just wait for the GM II. Which, who knows... might just be an 85mm f/1.2.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I expect the mkii to be less interesting than the original. But hopefully lightning can strike twice?
@rayanwave8923 2 жыл бұрын
"I trust sigma's plastic over some other's metal" that cracked me up 🤣
@WesPerry 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen poorly constructed metal lenses literally just fall apart. Yeesh 😂
@tysonator5433 3 жыл бұрын
I would buy a used sigma 85 Art as this will a barging lens than canon ef 85 mkii F1.2
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
If you’re talking about the old 85 art, that one doesn’t behave very well on Sony mirrorless, especially in low light. This one focuses phenomenally well.
@charruaporelmundo 3 жыл бұрын
Ahould I trade my Batis 85 for this one? 🤔, did you?
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
I never got the batis, but the GM. And once I have a little wedding money again it’s definitely getting traded in for the Sigma.
@smodjo 3 жыл бұрын
Dont sell it. I dont know the Sigma, only out of reviews. But I have a feeling, character is better on the GM :) And I also truly love the GM, so it frustrated me a lot. But the images I get out of it ... man, so dreamy, when the focus is set
@anoopchaudhary8732 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, I never shot with sigma or sony 85mm , always had batis 85 but I have used and owned sigma 24-70f2.8 and gm 24-70 and found gm 24-70 is far more superior when it comes to character and image rendering. It has some sort of 3d pop, I dont know how to explain. But these gm leses are designed beautifully where as sigma was extra sharp and the images were flat. So I returned my sigma and kept 24-70.
@atomikmaster1 3 жыл бұрын
Wait for the updated GM it's coming 'soon'
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
I’m expecting a beastly f/1.2 for $2800...so I’m not quite sure if it’ll be on my buy list. A bit out of my price range, most likely 😬
@mysticandroid57 Жыл бұрын
2 years later and I'm still waiting.
@WesPerry Жыл бұрын
You and a lot of other people 😏 But many big ticket devices/lenses got shelves due to production backups in the past two years. Nothing is happening when people expected these days.
@wesbaynham1634 3 жыл бұрын
Surely better focus on the Sigma will mean a break up with your GM ? 😁
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
🤔🤔🤔
@justusc79 3 жыл бұрын
For the money, I feel the Sony 85mm f/1.8 is really hard to beat. No it’s not an f/1.4, but the difference is small. Your clients won’t know the difference. And as a wedding photographer that has to carry that lens around all day, I’ll bet your back will be able to tell the difference. Just my opinion.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
If I wanted to save a buck (and some weight) on an 85, I’d sooner go with the Viltrox 85. As much as people say “your client can’t tell”, I really don’t like the look for the Sony 85 1.8. It’s very dry, swirly, bokeh breaks into footballs just barely off center, often creating a whirling pattern or just nervous background. The Viltrox, though not quite as sharp, has a Much more pleasing look to it.
@stanleeger4711 3 жыл бұрын
I chose the Samyang 85/1.4 AF. It's even lighter & cheaper than the Sigma. Works well for me. But if I owned the GM, I'd probably keep it.
@mattstolzman 2 жыл бұрын
I will sell my Fuji gear to get this Sigma and Sony A7IV this year. Or will I? Dang
@WesPerry 2 жыл бұрын
🤔🫣😂
@terencemorrissey4413 3 жыл бұрын
I am praying to the lens gods for the 85mm F/1.2 GM to be released.
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately those gods are gonna want some big $$$ 😂
@MrShazaamable 9 ай бұрын
Is it out
@Ashleyapples 3 жыл бұрын
one of the reason i hate buying camera lens, small things appear big or small
@stkuj 3 жыл бұрын
I'm buying the Siggy...
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t argue with that ;)
@samialruhaily960 3 жыл бұрын
Waiting to receive a giveaway 🙃
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Haha This lens was only a loaner, I’m afraid ;)
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
You’ll have to ask Camera Canada for one 😂
@serpentinereceptor 3 жыл бұрын
2nd 😍❤
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are on the ball today! Haha
@martelljhixson 3 жыл бұрын
One punch
@CrisostomoIbarra1989 3 жыл бұрын
Sell it 😂😂😂
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
😏
@Mikeyyshoots 3 жыл бұрын
First ✌️👍😏
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
⏰
@beatmixer0097 Жыл бұрын
Just say GM
@WesPerry Жыл бұрын
Gettin into some word salad here 😂
@beatmixer0097 Жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry I imagine them all sitting in a board room deciding what they will call their premium lenses and they all cheered, G MASTER!! Lol
@WesPerry Жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@alhOOO2O 3 жыл бұрын
Constantly confused as to why youtubers sit down/appear in front of the camera, that they have themselves set up and turned on, and say 'oh, hey!' as if it's a surprise...
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Not surprised to find the camera, just surprised the likes of Alex Hayes stopped by 😏
@alhOOO2O 3 жыл бұрын
@@WesPerry 🤣
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