Really helpful tips. Thank you!

I have the 220 and the 161T over 3 years I have used and abused this saws beyond manufacturers recommendation so far neither one have failed. My 220 comes with 16" bar and I down it to a 14" I got little more speed and battery time. I also have the MSA300 this comes with a 16" bar and I went up for a 18" it still spinning the chain with no problem and is more convenient for a ticker logs. The all problem with this saws for professional use are the batteries, they are priced like gold and they last very short in a charge. Battery technology still light years away.

Nice man! Thanks for the feedback 👍🏼

I have the MSA300, 220C, GTA26 and 161T. In regard to power even the 220C is absolutely no match for the MSA300 however I may use the 220C as much as the MSA300, it all depends on what kind job I need to do.

I think there area lot of factors which can influence the battery duration. Certainly, pushing down hard and stalling the motor like the guy did in the video will flatten your battery and ruin the motor much quicker than listening to the motor and keeping the revs at optimal level. I too have the MSA 220 and mine will cut continuously for 20 minutes with the 300S battery. It also cuts oak quicker than my petrol ms310. I think 20 mins at full load is quite adequate. I have 3 batteries and I use the standard charger because the fast charger is rather unkind to the lithium cells by pushing them a bit hard on recharge.

@@tasmedic The chargers, I have the AL101 and the 500, the AL101 very much I not use, it takes to long to charge the batteries. As far as I know the charger 500 is ventilated if the battery is hot a red light go one and he just runs on cooling of the battery before it go green and start charging back the battery, but I am absolutely not an expert. I have 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 3 AP300S and 4 AP500S, I have charged themes 99.99% the time with charger 500 and so far never have a problem.

@@tasmedic I have the 500 charger also. I enjoy how it has a fan that cools the battery before charging. I haven't had any problems in two years charging AP300s batteries. I'm glad that I spent the extra $50 on the 500 charger.

I have Stihl 880 and Stihl 171 more stronger better Than yours battery Stihl chainshaws! You are very rich you bought very expensive battery Stihl MSA 300

@@luxbeci2 No, I am not rich in fact I kind live paycheck to paycheck, however I think the world moves forward, and I find the battery platform in case of mine sense I am not use it professionally is more useful, simple and easier to use and maintain. I have the 220C and the 161T over 3 years they all scratch and beat up for use and abuse for sure beyond manufacture recommendation and never have to do any kind of maintenance. Don't take me wrong for I am not a professional or a person with lots of knowledge but for what I can see I feel quite sure with MSA300 I can challenge any 50cc gas powered saw. In regard to the batteries price I 100% agree with you, it seems like we buying gold.

I have both they realy not comparable the MSA300 is heavier but much powerful it feels much more like a professional saw.

Thanks Mick, yeah it does for sure 👍🏼

Thank you Darren 🤩

I have the MSA300 I not know exactly what you meaning whrn you say combi, mine have a baton to slect the power and speed of the chain and it have 3 level setings. Is in did a joy fast and powerful machine the only down side in my opinion is the battery, feels like even the top battery the AP500S witch I have is not up to the saw.

I have the MSA 220 C and all batteries from AP200 to the AP500S but btween the the AP300S and the AP500S I have not notice performance difrence on the MSA 220C except little extra cutting time with AP500S, only on the MSA 300 you fell the difrence for you must have the AP500S to run full power.

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Haha yeah, a bit like it! We did a video on pro top handles a few months ago and part two is in process 🤩 first one here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8umaqtpp7GrhqM.html

I am really not a professional but I do cut some quite amount of fier wood I have the top handle Stihl 161T for about 2 years have used and abused it way beyond manufacturers recommendation it have never fail on me I am quite impressed with this litle saw.

Mostly for looks in all honesty id say 😆 not efficient on battery jamming it into a log hard thats for sure 😆 trying to make it look like the medium sized petrol pro saws I think 😆 big spikes are lost bar length in reality...

I have the stihl 220 and the msa 300 they not compable the 300 is much faster feels way more on the professional side but for more light use I always use the 220 because is lighter,

Absolutely! He pushed too hard with both the 120 and 220 in the video rather than letting the saws cut the wood 'under their own weight' which is far more efficient on battery consumption as well.

One is not more important than the other, but they work together. If you have good torque and a shorter bar, you can run a bigger sprocket and cut faster with the higher chain speed. If you are down on power or need to run the max size bar for the powerhead, you can run a smaller sprocket to keep the engine from bogging.

Older 220 has more air vent slot volume on the left hand side compared to the new one I notice too.

Yes 100% will retro fit 👍🏼 and it will make a big difference 👍🏼

@@MachineryNation thanks guys great stuff. Do you know when the bar and chain will be available in the uk?

@@MachineryNation Feels kind of strange, I have the 220 with a Stihl normal 40cm bar, I went to Stihl dealer and order the 40cm 04 light bar however it doesn't fitting in the 220 then they install the 35cm 04 light bar and it does fit properly but I end up 5cm short on bar lenght.

Always get less bar than stated into an actual log due to mounting position and the wood spikes holding the saw away from the wood...

I have the MSA220 also but to go up on a tree unless I have a solid standing I never use the 220 I use the 161T and with one AP200 battery. I have all batteries from AP200 to AP500S and the swas GTA26, 161T, 220C and MSA300. If you got a chance next time you go up on a tree try the 161T with a 30cm bar and one AP200 battery I believe you be suprised.

⁠ totally agree! You want the lightest battery you can get away with. However from my experience AP200 isn’t suitable for MSA 220. It’s perfect for MSA161t and hedge trimmers. AP200 also works in my MSA200 but with little less grunt than a using AP300 (which isn’t sold any more) or AP300s or AP500 which gives it full power . The MSA220 works ok with a old AP300 but you will need AP300s or AP500 to get full power. And the MSA300 will only work on setting one with a AP300s. You need AP500s to work on setting 2 and 3. Personally I definitely wouldn’t buy the AP500s unless you are buying a MSA300 as it’s very pricey, very heavy and takes much longer to charge (50 minutes plus! Instead or 35min for all other battery with the AL500 fast charger). I Also found the AP500 is much more prone to getting too warm to charge if you run it right down with continuous use in a chainsaw or my Kma135 with striming line attachment. Which means it has to cool down on the charger for sometimes 15 mins before another 50mins at least of charging! I think this is because there is no air gap between the laminate cells. The AP300s is the best most versatile battery because of this. Although I would really like @stihl to bring out a new AP200 high power battery that is still light but is capable of powering all the tools albeit with less run time.

I also have the hta135 which will work with AP200 for small/medium branches but definitely has more power with the higher Capacity batteries which is a shame because it very weighty with AP300s let alone a AP500s. The Hta86 although it has big bulky motor on head is still a much lighter if less powerful option. With a same tiny chain as the MSA161t it leaves really nice clean cut idea for neat pruning jobs, and also much great run time.

My MSA300 comes with 16" Light 04 bar then I switch for the 18" Light 04, have the feeling it performs just the same. Maybe if go with 20" it with perform very much the same but I with got less battery time. The all issue with this machines are the battery time.

Here is my take on this. So your car battery is by your statement 60 Ah at normal temperature. Now total amount of energy in theory in your car battery is 12V x 60Ah which equals 720Wh. This is only true of new battery which is less than 1 year old. Normal lead acid battery loses about 20 % after about 200 total full recharge cycles and much more after that. Now if you use Stihl’s AL 500 Hi-speed charger it will consume max 600 watts (you can’t use cigarette lighter socket and have to use direct battery clips for inverter), operates at 230VAC (average) and can charge with max 12 Amps at max 41.9 VDC. This charge rate is absolute max and li-ion battery cannot take this amperage all the time. Lets assume you want to charge Stihl AP500S battery from complete empty to full charge. This battery has nominal voltage of 36 V and max voltage of 41.9 V with nominal capacity of 8.8 Ah and absolute capacity of 9.36 Ah. Reason why there is difference is that battery manufacturer limits available capacity to you in order to make battery last longer. Total Wh of battery which is again theoretical is 337 Wh but in reality about 316 Wh (read Stihl fine print). Charge rate is about in line of all other parameters for usual 1C rate. Now to calculations. Inverter losses on converting from 12VDC to 230VAC using normal consumer grade inverter are about 15-20 % Charger internal losses are between 5-10 % Battery charging losses are about 5 % If we add all losses up it will be around 40% as they are compounded. So if we have total energy in a car battery 720 Wh then removing 40 % it will be left of 432 Wh As our AP500S has capacity of 316 Wh then theoretically you can charge it appropriately 1.36x however having absolutely perfect new car battery fully charged is not usually the case and also taking into account other variables like temperature then you should consider max charge of 1x. Even that is risky because getting lead acid battery below 50 % capacity has serious effect on its max amps so you might be stuck with dead battery. Hope this wall text answers your question and provides enough data for all other smartasses to come after my mistakes 😊😆

@@rkriisk I sure believe you have knowledge about this issue and I thank you. I try recharge the AP500S on my jeep and on a friend pick up, my friends battery suppose to be 100 whats mine 75, in both cases the alarm in the converter went on when the AP500S was about 50% charged and in both cases I disconnect everything and was able to start back the vehicles engines without a problem, then I waited for about 5 minutes connected back the inverter and with vehicles engines running the alarm went off. I was connecting the inverter direct to the vehicle battery not in a cigarette lighter. Now I have the feeling that with vehicle running I may can use this method kind like emergency. I only did that 1 time to try, this because my personal knowledge about this matters is highly limited.

You should never consider pulling out more than 50 percent of your car battery before starting the engine. That is just below 12V for most designs. So you will need a bigger car battery, or better a battery designed for this kind of long term load, to recharge saw batteries. Car batteries are designed for a short high current discharge, not long time medium load. Like a RV or sailboat use for running a fridge.

@@anderscomstedt3064 Yes You are right. Normally I not even need that because I am just a homeowner and for what I do I have more batteries and charge themes at home, I was curious and I did try with power converter but not really works unless I have the engine in the Jeep running.

Stay tuned a similar video to this is en route! 👀

I use to have a Stihl trimer 192 but after I buy the 161T I have no more use for the 192 so I sold it. In regard to power if you can try the MSA300 you maybe surprised.

Capacity - 6 Ah vs 7.2 Ah

I have order and got mine from a store in Holland takes about 2 weeks. I order it online have no problem.

One thing for you to keep in mind, it have an air filter that is under the top cover I still have not find out yet how come it got so much dust but the fact is that it do. However is not hard to clean 4 screws to take the cover off and 1 to remove the air filter.

You are absolutly right. I have both saws MSA300 and 220C, to cut continuos with MSA300 from a pile of logs you need at least 4 AP500S batteries and the charger AL500 on from the beginning. Logs from 40cm diameter up drain the batteries very fast also the batteries got hot and need to cool down so they can charge up again. In regard to 4 foot log I think they not even designed for that, maximum bar lenght recommended is 18".

@@sirvozelo1 Hi, just a note, there are certainly different battery saws and there are different thickness bars/chains, and there are different capacity batteries.... Then there are old guys like me who need a break after 40 minutes so maybe 2 batteries and the harness to hold them! It is all great, just another consideration from an older guy who used to be a beast!

@@donlarson1224 I am not younger anymore also, in the case of my saws I have all of themes with manufacture recommended bars and chains so I can't do much more than that. I have Stihl MSA300, 220C, 161T, GTA26 and the Trimmer 135, I am absolutely satisfied with machines, batteries I have all from AP200 to AP500S my feeling is the battery technology for professional use still light years away. In my case as a homeowner I sold 2 of my gas power chainsaws and one trimmer just keep my old hasky 162 for memory, I am with battery power now but I have to admit that for all day continues working battery technology is not their yet.

Absolutly I have the 220C, 161T, MSA300 and the Trimmer 135 in every one I have used all batteries AP200, AP300, AP300S and AP500S, normally for the 161T I chose the AP200 but just because of the weight, also if I use the AP500S I need pay more attention not run out of bar oil before I run out of battery, on the 220C I normaly use the AP300S kind feels better balanced but if I run out of AP300S I go with AP500S absolutly no problem work the same

@@sirvozelo1 totally agree! You want the lightest battery you can get away with. However from my experience AP200 isn’t suitable for MSA 220. It’s perfect for MSA161t and hedge trimmers. AP200 also works in my MSA200 but with little less grunt than a using AP300 (which isn’t sold any more) or AP300s or AP500 which gives it full power . The MSA220 works ok with a old AP300 but you will need AP300s or AP500 to get full power. And the MSA300 will only work on setting one with a AP300s. You need AP500s to work on setting 2 and 3. Personally I definitely wouldn’t buy the AP500s unless you are buying a MSA300 as it’s very pricey, very heavy and takes much longer to charge (50 minutes plus! Instead or 35min for all other battery with the AL500 fast charger). I Also found the AP500 is much more prone to getting too warm to charge if you run it right down with continuous use in a chainsaw or my Kma135 with striming line attachment. Which means it has to cool down on the charger for sometimes 15 mins before another 50mins at least of charging! I think this is because there is no air gap between the laminate cells. The AP300s is the best most versatile battery because of this. Although I would really like @stihl to bring out a new AP200 high power battery that is still light but is capable of powering all the tools albeit with less run time.

No idea if I’m honest. It’s the clock that is available on our editing software. The seconds are bang on though as we have previously tested this 👍🏼

I heard they were for people who own Deutz tractors 😉

@@MachineryNation And who went to English Grammar school....

@@adelarsen9776 defo not me dude 😂

@@MachineryNation I'm just a junior assistant farm hand. And what's education really anyway ? One only needs to know how to fling much with a shovel.

@@adelarsen9776 I was never a fan of classroom education 😂

I am ready and with like the chalange, I have the Stihl MSA300 but have not come across with anybody with Husky, attending at some videos demonstration I have seen make me feel the Stihl is faster but the Husky battery last quite longer. Howver with out been both side by side with be dificult to judge.

I pay 690 Eur. just the saw no battery no charger, order it online from a store in Holland about 6 months ago.

Regulations in public organisations are very strict. I know one where they are not aloud to use a certain product for any longer than 10 mins at a time due to the vibration. World gone mad 😂

I not know exactly but in the case of the MSA300 this saw is very fast and powerful Stihl claims is compared with gás powered 261, so with anti vibration system it with be more confortable for the user.

@@sirvozelo1 ok but an electric motor does not vibrate.

@@mulimuli9844 Not much but still vibrates and in certain situations when you have kickbacks.

@@sirvozelo1 ok i have a husqvarna 540i battery chainsaw. it has not the same power but absolutely no vibration.

Why annyoning?

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Whao now you realy got me, I have the MSA300, 220C, 161T, GTA26 and the Trimmer 135, I know for sure the Trimmer in one slected speed yes you can feather the power like in a petro but on the chainsaws I really never pay attention.