That Indian guy really studied the Chinese deep down. He knows what he is talking about. That Huang guy is a Taiwanese. He talks around the political correctness line because he is a professor as outsider and what he says has consequence to his career. So he played dumb or timid. Susan is basically the establishment. She follows the US party line.

Who bugged Angela Merkel's cell phone?

Cold War is totally invented by Western countries. Cold War mentality is very ignorant, closed , selfish , cold and cruel. China was and is always intended to win-win policy.

10 millions graduates from colleges in China each year, 5 millions of them are studying engineering and science, while the same time there are 1.1 millions high school dropouts rated 25% in US. Who is going to win?

How do you steal new technology when USA don't have any?

Susan you know some generally, but you dont know all, how can you teach anymore if your information is not accurate

why is it so hard for US to see other nations are rising on their own?

Surely in what you believe in, DEMOCRACY, every country will decide what is best for for their nation. If a country could invest its resources , it is theirs to decide. Are they implying that other nations must seek permission from US in which sector a country could invest in? Real dumb thinking!

Susan Thornton clearly misunderstood the what the heck the debate is about, which is fact rather than sterotypes

In 1994, I went to my organic chemistry professor house. I read many of her books and science journalist magazines. I was shock that most of the researchers are chinese.

People please go to China and see how these new technologies are used there, then make a comment. Look at their high speed railway, cashless payment everywhere...look these technologies applied to people's daily life.

some of U.S. tech mind comes from *ASIA* . period

That parag dude is awesome. Precise and knowledgeable!

This is a very interesting topic. I am now working in the forefront of Shenzhen and can see how it is achieving this. Unless you are in the thick of things you will never truly appreciate it. The speed to market in Shenzhen is amazing. The Big Bay Area initiative makes sense. One of the critical success factor will be the investment China puts in to attract the top talents into this area. This is also seen as a hope for our younger generation therefore I am inspired by this.

80% of researchers and scientists in silicon valley are foreigners, they will flee to China soon, where the innovative environment is more dynamic and vibrant, Venture funding is easily accessible, talents are easily available, markets are huge, living condition is conducive for innovation, regulators are accomodative. The innovative ecosystem is just super, silicon valley is losing steam and losing fast.

In my Eastern culture, we have a proverb that goes something like, "The leaders of a society are a reflection of the people that make up that society." In the case of China, their head of state is a chemical engineer by training. While here in America, our head of state is a reality TV, real-estate mogul. China is pouring money like there is no tomorrow into the STEM fields, but the same cannot truly be said about America, at this time. This debate really has morphed into the different forms of government and economic models that these two 21st century rivals have in their state institutions. I believe that we now live in a multipolar world, and I don't believe that only one country will lead the world in technological innovations. Don't forget India and Iran and Turkey and even Germany, who's keeping the EU afloat. Even America has a decent future ahead, but we really cannot have a debate in such black and white terms. Silicon Valley was a huge American success, but now that basic model of innovative technology and entrepreneurial spirit has been embraced by the entire world, including developing parts of Africa and Asia and Latin America. Keep in mind that none of this creative freedom would be possible had it not been for the militaristic implementation of the petro-dollar system, in which fossil fuels are sold on the global markets using the US Dollar. This allows Americans to remain unchallenged and innovate beyond their wildest imagination, but without checks and balances, those Silicon Valley tech giants have become multinational corporations who don't give a damn about allegiance to America. In the case of China, the state controls the policies that Chinese companies must follow. And again, it is China, along with Russia, who are challenging America's petro-dollar system, which ultimately will affect the creative freedom of America, to some extent. Economics and governance go hand in hand, and such debates are really missing the overarching point of how dynamic and multipolar our world has now become!

I wonder if any of these "technology experts" debating on technology, actually know any basic technology like coding or engineering.

Just a question: what's the planet where Susan lives?

Impossible. Silicon valley is based on the free flow of information.. that's why it is where it is in the US. China has proven itself to be remarkably resistant to the free flow of information In fact I talked to one professor at a US technological University who said they would no longer invite Chinese students because they refused to share information with other students. And this is the core of the issue It's a cultural problem which the Chinese are unable to solve. The reality is silicon valley is more vibrant and dominant that it's ever been and China in 40 years has not been able to come up with anything even remotely close.

talking about where is the next silicon valley is obsolete, we should talk about where is the next shenzhen, that means we're talking about future because silicon valley is yesterday and shenzhen is today but we want to know what will happen tomorrow.

Susan please sleep sound. The Chinese has already explored the other side of the Moon 😭 🌕

The first Shenzen is in China. The second Shenzen will be in California.

China has produced the following civilian planes: MA600, AG600, ARJ21, C919. There are multiple military planes produced by China, i.e. bombers, jet fighters, etc.

Dude, get your facts right. Huawei is private company.

I wish Prof. Dr. Michio Kaku was invited in this episode..

i feel so sorry about Susan , i can't even bare to see her reaction

Parag🔥

The day Chinese Govt is not able to manage "technology" this innovation will come to end.

As a 'China expert', Susan would benefit from doing more actual research than reading Epoch Times.

1 trillion on bri 7 trillion and counting on war on terror which do u prefer

Susan is like the French. When 3 agree, the fourth has to disagree on principle!

A big innovation always come from those free thinkers who are against the authority, the majority, and the tradition. Ordinary people can only replicate what exists. Smart people can only improve what was.

HOLY shit the statement that silicon valley is state of mind is idiotic

Jealous Susan.

Katy It is important to recognize Japan, S Korea and India to this very important discussion.

the truth is....,,USA doesn't any body to lead the world..........i support china's infrastructure project.

what a shame! somebody said social science and technology science can be completely separated in one society.

Really enjoyed watching this debate.

I am from Kashmir... This construction must be banned bcz it is injustice against Kashmir's people And abolishment of Kashmir rights..

In the areas of science and technology countries of all countries should collaborate to one another for a community of shared future of mankind rather than zero sum competition.

Susan Thornton said China is unable to build plane. Sorry to tell you this, China had landed on the moon. When China can build spacecraft, it is obvious they can build airplane.

I didn’t need a VPN to watch this video

An important difference between China and USA about who control the population in each country is that in China is the government the one who control the population and in USA are the corporations that control the government and the population. Since the main interest of the corporation is to make more profit and gain more political power for themselves, the power is more divided than in China, and the relationship between the people of USA and the corporations is of indifference, corporation care about people insofar that people are useful for them, if they are not, then just fire them. Instead in China the people who are the actual executioner of the development feel more identified with the government is not that the people feel so happy about it but is not true what the media says about the Chinese people, it is not true that the Chinese people hate their government and that they feel completely oppressed and that they can not wait to topple down the government, the media keep giving to us the same message that they gave to the world in the fifties and after, every communist country is evil, inefficient, corrupt and stupid, if that were the case China wouldn't be able to succeed in the way that they have.How come that American haven't succeed in create chaos against the Chinese government as they did in Syria and Lybia? China never has been in better position than now, and the Chinese people are aware of the suffering or hunger that they have gone through their history. The idea the media gives us about the Chinese leaders is that the only interest that they have is to fill up their pockets with money, for sure there must be corruption but I don't think that the degree of corruption in Chinese politicians and entrepreneurs are higher and stronger than those who want to make China a stronger country, Probably the highest leader are aware of the dimension and importance that means to put China as the first power of the world.

这个印度人更像是中国通

I think it’s interesting that they discuss political and economic outcomes without including sociological and environmental factors. One child policy and extensive pollution will create havoc in their political and economic domains in the future. 28 percent of cities in China are already beginning to contract. Much of China’s dominance was attributed to their sheer numbers, but in the future that advantage is going to dissipate. Furthermore, demographically, they are going to have a nightmare version of South Korea. All of that in the context of climate change which is set to be more impactful in Asia then anywhere else is going to create quite the strain. I just don’t see where the money will be in their future to keep pushing their version of Silicon Valley.

this is exactly why i believe china should keep stealing "foreign" IP 1. it helps chinese economy 2. so that american can brag they are superior than the chinese 3. american will complaint anyway 4. it company not interest in investing in china, what is the point still respecting their IP?

The born of Silicon Valley was relied on investment, amount of talented human resources, manufacturing ability and market, the next Silicon Valley will be born where these important elements stay, comparing to any other places globally, China will be the first option without any doubt.

Calling it a "Silicon Valley" just puts a cap on the potential technological innovation and advancement...

The writing is on the wall, very clear. And the status quo Power is reacting, precisely the way it should be.

Hope we can see more of this kind of debate on KZfaq.

I appreciate China they are doing great ;I want my India also should grow fast ,but our mentality only producing educated labour

the votes of Yale prof is always different from others, who will send kids to Yale?

My study of the rise and fall of nations. China is the next global economic power house because they dont export wars and are helpful to the developing world... good for mankind... peace is coming to the world. The public in the US is also fed up with the wars triggered by the govt... so overall good...

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If the US opened the immigration door, the majority of Chinese 4,5 million science grads would come to be Americans. There is something to be said about legal system, protection of private property and human rights.

Why is it that young people cannot get their shirts and ties right?

Seriously guys, bring back the old format. This fast food version of debating is no good.

China have not produced a plane 😂😂😂 look at war plane they got now ha ha

Lol people should stop hating on SUSAN this is why is called a debate,there should be someone forced to say NO,happens in my country a lot

No, this is too low, it will become the Next Silicon Mountain.

I love this kind of debate! After watching Fox News and CNBC biased towards their sponsors. These kinds of intellectual debate should be more seen by the public. I though agree that still, many statements are still inaccurate but at least is not with too much sentimental propaganda that makes a sane, well-educated individual want to throw up.

As a Chinese born and raised in China and worked in both countries in extended period of time, I still believe true innovation will come from US. Culture and ideology matter, without true freedom if thoughts and rule of law, no society will produce ground breaking innovation. If you look at Chinese entrepreneurs, most of them are educated in the west. The combination of east and west will create true wonder for the world. The real question is how to two cultures can collaborate and share the benefit of that partnership. It is not a zerosome game. It's a pity neither side of the governments has the vision abd courage to see through that.

China does not need Silicon Valley when it has Shenzen. The motion for the debate should be: The next Shenzen will be in America.

Intelectual property theft. Who invented the mouse? Not Apple

Si Valley has been largely depended on foreign born genius but trained by Americans university. Indeed, people don't know the most achievement shining Si Valley today are Indisputably performed by "Chinese born engineers", not those management whosoever took the credits for granted. As an engineer there before, I know better then any bystanders! Native Americans' contribution to Si Valley was basically negligible nearly nothing more then a spectator yield in the stadium. One shall never ignore the Chinese gene gets deposited five thousand year beyond VSOP.

Intellectual property theft isn't what they say it is. There has been a long-standing agreement to share tech info between the US and China. theconversation.com/why-china-is-a-leader-in-intellectual-property-and-what-the-us-has-to-do-with-it-93950

great talk，thank you

...China Air, Air China... A Rose is still a Rose by another name. A plane is still a plane...;)

if you want to learn how to do something, you look at people who are successful at it and how they do it. American colleges and companies have let Chinese students and graduates into their departments, then are surprised that those people share what they've learned back home. Incredible naivety.

Susan used to work for the state department. Do you need know anything else?

I counter-argue Susan's. The foreign geniuses that the US imports from all over the world are like the Chinese students. Homegrown Chinese students are no less genius. They have a hardworking mentality, now started creative thinking. It's called gradual decay when you reach the top spot. The USA reached the top of the ladder. Now it's current millennium generation is laid back, don't wanna do hard working work, wanna enjoy the life by doing as little work as possible. That's the mentality difference that is stark between the US population and the Chinese population. Chinese population will also be like the current USA generation when it reaches the top of the ladder, but for the few upcoming decades, we've to inevitably see the rise of china.

Mr. Trump have more composed arguments for this debate, against all others contestants arguments put together. As Trumps say : "China China China... I like China.... China China China... I have people in China.... I love China ..... China...."

Susan Thornton is right. Time will tell.

The host is trying so hard to lead the discussion to downplay the importance and the emergence of the Chinese tech sector. And, he fails miserably!!!! Oh,well... He needs to go to China and take a look for himself. And, maybe, he would be more open minded.

even tripled spending in military is only a small fraction of which US spent in Iraq war

China is now screwed. Front and back. Can we have another debate please.

CPEC is illegal unjust unfair baseless construction on disputed land .. KASHMIR is a disputed land.. It belongs to Kashmir's or Cashmere's but neighbors like India China and Pakistan etc have occupied it by force oppression killings torture abduction etc of Kashmiris or land holders.. It must be baned bcz it is injustice against Kashmir... Kashmir demands complete independence from all occupiers like India China and Pakistan etc It is illegal construction on disputed land of Kashmiri's This construction is based on illegal unjust unfair occupation n against the will of Kashmir's people..

At this moment, jack Ma is "assisting" the security service in China

What susan has been pointing out that the reason china is not yet the next silicon valley is in terms of ideas because china supresses a lot of ideas and in order to have innovation you also need an area where different ideas can be challenged and debated including politics which is why china is not yet a silicon valley. Indeed shenzhen is a mecca of electronics because it is the place where most of the global electronics are made but the open political environment is not there many chinese entrepreneurs have invested most of their money in the us because the usa is a safe place to keep their assets due to its legal system.

The Chinese need to move up on immigration.

It is good for China as there are so many discussions in USA on China every day. People would not pay much less attention to other countries in the world..

Market, consumer desire, financial capital, talent, scientist, national policy support , Intellectual property protection, traffic construction, etc. These factors are the driving force for development which China has all of them. IP is going to be better.

Is it possible to carry out free-ranging, unrestricted research in a totalitarian state?

These guys are talking about something they don't know.

HUEWEI has not stolen ./.....

If you compare the discussions in American Congress, English Whitehall, European Brussels with what is actually going on in the world which need to be addressed, you know that you are looking at losers. Trump, May, Corbyn, Tusk are the epitomes of losers. They are working on things that do not matter and only matter to people who are losing or already have lost.

China works on a 100 year plan. The USA works on a three month plan, if that. Trump thinks on a daily basis. What else do you need to know?

These past two years has proven Thornton right!

China is still developing. US is doing well partly on the back of Asia and Asians.

Pls spare your critics over Susan who's a senior fellow in a prestigious institut upon Asian studies, which is to say, regardless of the facts she mentioned that seem to encumber China's development to some certain degree, she's a very insightful expert on Asian issues. However, seeing that all the other 4 guests unanimously choose yes, there must be one no to lead the debate to success, otherwise 2mins after the show's opening, we could've shut down and come to terme by saying, yes we all agree, period! Fine, show budget spent, 0 rating received....

IP theft mmm, I was watching a show called the Tesla Files, basically the basis of any US Innovation and the way it currently works i.e the alternating current (among others) was basically swindled from a Serbian Migrant Nikola Tresla, US technological and business innovation at it's finest

China draws from the mandarin speaking population while Silicon Valley draws from the English speaking population, China will never be able to gather the same talent pool.

China has hardly anything to say about research and invention, what China is great at is creating large super factories, that US created after world war 1 and world war 2. If the stealing of technology stops from EU and US, may be the migration to self reliant research and development will die pre-matured death. The other most important factor that drives Silicon Valley is immigrants from world over, unfortunately most of the country from where the talent comes to US see, Chinese communist party as toxic environment. It’s one thing to setup factory from foreign technology, research is a different ball game.

4 to 1. Tells all.

Having lived in India nearly all my life. Yeah India is not China but we are still an Eastern society and these societies are highly confirmist. So this means that China will lack real creativity but they are excellent at copying and making existing technology scalable. No, China can never be the next Silicon Valley.

Why is Susan so stubborn?

the only way to keep up with china/is to change young peoples sense of pride from homeownership to become entrepreneurs with benefits for not being mortgage driven

I would say No. There r money reasons, its not just about money , creating some gr8 technology things..its more than that. Still US is the best destination for many ppl in the world accept or not, including for chinees. That itself shows US statusco. Just look top Tech companies, most r from US. Tech is not came in one day, it takes lot of time and effort. Last point is accept or not, english language.

@parag 40 megapixel chinese phone as equal as iPhone 6 camera

good for you susan,yes!!!!!!