Jezz man, why so few likes.... Too relatable I guess

Depression, end of the world, death itself...etc there are many things that can kill hope XD

​@@Pablo-gc1roThen why are you still here?

@@XJ0461C because I don't have those things.

@Pablo-gc1ro Fair, but plenty do who still choose to live. If hope could truly be killed by any of them, those people wouldn't be. Just as anyone can have hope for the future, a great career, a loving family, and yet still fall victim to depression and take their own life.

😂 or James Gunn

Idk why I laughed hard at this lol It was so random lmao 🤣 😂 😆 💀

hahaha, good one,

SMH lol

I am Disney +. Subscriber stealing. Content mogul.

howl's moving castle did it very well imo

how? reality kills hope and Luc didn't know that!? Luc needs to get out more.

it was GAYYYEEE

​@@thejamesasher Hope inspires us to shift reality.

​@@thejamesasherreality doesn't kill hope. How one interprets reality is more important than reality itself for our emotions and state of mind

Well, the anti life it´s only a simple coin for Lucifer or the endless,because they are much more powerful than darkseid or super hero.

Lucifer is Lightbringer so Lucifer can't kill hope

Good ygo ref there. Love it.

her??

Lucifer is canonically way more powerful than Darkseid

Damnnnnnn!!!

One of the very best!

Reminds me of a God of War 3 note in Hades, "loss and agony I know too well, but it's when the voice sings of hope, do I truly suffer"

That line... Chills...

@@sanggreceleste33 I didn't understand that line, care to elaborate?

Indeed.

Right? Imagine them fighting like superheroes.. Great solution here!

I'm glad they don't fight like typical superheroes lol. These beings are like... Outerversal. Making them shoot beams at each other would feel silly & underwhelming instead, like Spectre vs Anti Monitor in those CW shows.

@@caffemocca8855 you could say the MCU does the same as CW when using a cosmic character. Both of them are garbage.

What exactly is happening here

Absolutely. My favorite part of the comic

Its a different kind of story.

@@michellestr8998 facts

@@CE77777 They called it the oldest game. I assume God and Lucifer or Archangel Micheal played it when they got bored, like people play bridge or something.

@@michellestr8998 may well be, they could even adapt it as the game that God used to create creation itself with the way it works, an that only beings with creative prowess of god like beings can even qualify to play due to the nature & scale of their powers

It's impossible!!!!!!!!

you get it.

Indeed

And I personally like to choose to think that it's not that Lucifer doesn't know how to kill hope but choose not to. Because as you said, that would mean abandoning the one thing they're not will to give up on

It would mean killing herself. Lucifer Morning Star, the Light Bringer, Dawn Bringer, her name suggests Hope. Dawn is the symbol of Hope, so as bringing light and a morning star. It was checkmate.

@@chriscyrelestil304 that title about hope is no longer relate with lucifer After lose in the war, he just is lucifer the fallen angel And even if he still is lucifer morning star, his title not bound by the hope of dream, it should be the opposite, hope of dream will be bound by lucifer Because lucifer is who beyond dream

This scene is a tribute and reference to the 1960s animated film titled The sword in the stone. It is take of Merlin the wizard battle a duel with a wicked witch at medieval England.

Lmfao no it shouldnt, in the Bible lucifer gets his teeth kicked in by Michael.

@@hussainakram6823 cool fact, thanks for the new knowledge.

@@rubengalindo8298 well maybe the Bible authors didn't have a good imagination.

@@rubengalindo8298 he means in the movies

*him?

@@MihajloNasticSuch beings wouldn't really have a gender they're a bit beyond all that

@@mrcheesemunch they have no gender but are reffered to as male/men. Their pronounce/pronounse is He/him and Lucifer was always in all texts mentioned with male pronons like all other angels. They would not really have genders but you MUST refer to them in same gender they and their creator refer to them. Either use He/Him/Himself or go by genderless since if we are objective female is wrong.

@@mrcheesemunch if you say they dont have gender then that is counter argument on @istanakucing07 too because that person misgendered either way.

@@MihajloNastic Lucifer is Lucifer

Yea I liked that to when Lucifer said she was anti life and dream said he was hope it reminded of Superman and darksied

And contrary to that, Lucifer replies with "I am anti-life, The Beast of judgement" gave me chills, just imagining the end of everything with a few words.

The podcast with his chapter is very soothing, it put me straight to sleep last night and i say that as a good thing. So comforting, his voice

1000th like here! I totally agree, this is my most favorite scene and I love that part the most.

@Anida: Yeah, a voice that you wish you could curl up inside... 🙏🏽💔🙏🏻

The way she says it as well, i find it absolutely brilliant. So softly, it’s almost like a caress

I love how it is a concept that wins in the end. Hope is a construct, often fleeting but always ready to be born again.

Took me a few watches to notice Lucifer encompassing the universe as it dies.

the morning star was criminally under-power in it's own show

I was waiting for some John Wick action slow mo shit but damn this really blew away my expectations

Yeah, I didn't like that either. Was almost like Dream was giving up when in the comics he maneuvered the demon into a trap. He was a little bit too weak-willed in this live-action....

Holy shit I just hit that part in the clip and it is ROUGH

62% of Americans never went to college. Spelling shit out is almost necessary so the dumb viewers out there would understand what is happening. You'd notice actors explaining concepts when they should be obvious to everyone in the scene. Even the Lord of the Rings movies have it. "A diversion", as if we don't know. We do, but there are countless others who don't.

I wish they'd gone with something other than anti-life. Like "entropy" or "the big freeze". Suppose those couldn't be countered by hope though.

They are also very powerful as they can survive poison, i wouldn't recommend this game to normal humans

@@ajedrezbrasil7968 yes, they are outerversal entities after all

Very good point. The only counter to hope is doubt and to accept that Lucifer would have to accept that despair

Doubt does not defeat hope completely. It's not really an effective counter.

YES! Someone who gets it. I mean, it should be obvious to Lucifer of all beings what destroys hope "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here" read the gates of Hell according to Dante HELL Hell is the thing that destroys hope. Or at least it should be... Except Lucifer the Light Bringer, the first one to be on Hell, has still not lost hope for a life outside Hell The age of the universe they has been cast into the place that destroys all hope and they still hold on to a shiver of hope That's why the Morning Star can't respond to that move

Agreed, I was so pleasantly surprised by the battle.

no, the way supernaturals fight is through us.

@@slewone4905 there is no such thing as something that is supernatural. Everything can be explained.

Brienne of Tarth using a direwolf was cool.

The fact that their imaginations actually *affects* them in all real way just make it more powerful.

Which chapter is this bro?

Pardon?

The point is not that hope cannot be killed, it's that Dream understands that Lucifer will not do it. Because then hope dies for him to (hope to escape hell, win the war against his father etc). So he gives up.

It would be more of a detached, apathetic and melancholic demeanor over peaceful/innocent. But agreed! Great scene with a fantastic actor.

"I am a bacterium"? really?

@@chessophy3688 huh? It was a game of things that trump other things that made sense

@@chessophy3688 deadlier than anything else on earth so it makes sense. there literally was no other non cosmic thing he could choose after that

I Am The Multiverse Alternative Realities Different Worlds Alternative Earths

few realize this but yeah she's perfect

@@boxy3087 she’s got that angelic presence and demonic pressure

Not rlly

@@barbatos6407 glad you're not a casting agent, all of on-screen media is better because of that fact.

I think it was Neil Gaiman himself, I’m pretty sure he had her in mind during pre-pre production

Me and my brothers increasingly invincible shields amd unblockable lasers times infinity plus 1

Yeah, and he's lucky that Lucifer show mercy and don't burn him alive in that moment LoL

That was so stupid. Just spelled it all out. Ruined the whole thing

I thought to myself... "I am a 9-5 Job at Wal-mart, hope crushing dream wrecking"

Imagine being Matthew, one day you are a regular lad and the next day you are a raven servant of Dream and you are in a grave danger of getting stuck in hell.

That's the Hope, spoked by Dream

frfr

For me its the most threatening depiction of lucifer in a biblical sense on any tv show rn. Youd think shes a sinner in a human sense. No. Shes a sinner of the type bigger than mankind. An angel, a powerful one, that despises everything the Endless cares about. I havent read the comics but is there any reason why she just stays in hell and not wreak havoc in the waking world?

@@angela.luntian Lucifer is a male played by a woman. What is so hard to understand about that? Lol

@@eligreg99 Lucifer is actually neither

@@angela.luntian I won’t spoil anything but Lucifer plays a fairly massive role later on in the story and they kind of answer that.

@@FloydRos Lucifer is 100% a male that is suppose to look androgynous. There’s no debate about that you can go look it up.

Amen... no pun intended

yeah at first I was not at all sure I was gonna like her as Lucifer...but she had me in two seconds...the entire was masterfully done..

is the series out or this is just a teaser ????

@@danielmohave8280 it’s out

No

Netflix makes a lot of mistakes in several productions, but when it gets it right, it hits with everything it has.. this series is magnificent.

Probably because the author Neil Gaiman is an executive producer.

@@hidankakuzu6052 that is true. I think he got the grasp on what works on the pages but doesn't on film. Like on the page it looked like a slam poetry "battle", with a lowly demon in a club like setting. There was no raven, and Dream won by somewhat turning the table, since he figured out the way the demon ramps up the game. In the show it had more impact. Sure I missed the other two lords of hell, and Etrigan leading Dream to the palace, the lore between being a rhymer, but not dearly. I liked the show, and I refreshed the volumes. Say, can anyone tell me if the audio book is any good? I'm thinking about that one too for comparison. Thank you. And of course this was only my point of view. Cheers!

I love sandman but best show of 2022 must be Severance

Netflix will still cancel this if it wants to.

That's how Lucifer is factuallly depicted in the bible

@Longneck You miss the point. Morpheus ask: what is it that kills Hope? The answer: The End of Dreams. By defeating him she defeats herself and as a result Doubt held her back.

I think they could have casted a better actor for lucifer who is actually terrifying because Lucifer reigns Hell with Fear

@@madaramanulp2595 Lucifer is supposed to be tempting

@Jowey de la Nota yeah but look at the actress is she tempting????

On top of that, Dream is never seen standing above Lucifer- They are made to look to be the more powerful in many ways, but at the end Dream is back on his feet looking up despite the odds. The camera operation in this is phenomenal. :)

I truly believe that when he said hope lucifer remembered he was the light bringer at one time which is hope

I think Lucifer was thinking of its hope of reconciliation and redemption. Hope was its deepest wish, and therefore deepest fear.

Even Lou can't stop hope, what a treat.

@@sleeplesssongbird7625 I gotta say, Lucifer is probably stronger than the endless, After cutting himself from the presence. He isn't even tied to any of that stuff anymore.

A Trip Into The Supernatural - Roger Morneau 1925-1998 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9iUYKV82ra2nKs.html

Yes , all you say is true, I see it sometimes, and sometimes it moves me, because in a sense after the end there is hope that we will endure. That the anti life the heat death of the universe, somehow will not be the end.

Show writers hardly have anything to with dialogues. The lines are exactly extracted from comics verbatim with just some lines cut to save runtime. That's why it is such a good show.... They didn't try to change things from the comics except the usual(Like John becomes Johanna)

The shows writers didn’t do shit. This is ALL Neil Gaiman.

One writer, Neil Gaiman. He wrote this scene back in 1988, word for word. But in the comics it was with the demon Choronzon, not Lucifer.

Fatality.

i am work

Me: I am frustration Dream: I am hope Me: I am exhaustion Dream: I am rest Me: I am work Dream: I am freedom Me: I am slavery

_"I am Spartacus!"_

@@BuriedFlame 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yes I remember those, right along with the 'my daddy can beat up your daddy' battles

Or "your mama is so fat" games, even here in Brazil we have these kind of games

Well they did state that Lucifer is eons ahead of him in power, even with full power, so I knew they were gonna have to improvise somehow

@@bluejay9638 yeah, maybe Dream of the Endless would lose or even die if it's a real fight against Lucifer Morningstar, Ruler of Hell

Thats why we are all Gods children And always protected coz there is nothing to hurt us . This represents universal win in any reality .

Thanks for explaining it

Dang maybe they should’ve just thrown hands

Makes no difference. The destiny of Satan cannot be changed.

@@mosog8829 Is this the religious god talk? Cause you're barking up the _wrong_ tree, buddy.

@@DeathMessenger1988 so what if it is?

Not too mention, those depictions are far from accurate

I think Lucifer is a he in sandman but just appears like a woman for biblical accuracy

Yeah bri dc lucifer is just something else

@@scorpo.2000.platinum Indeed

Lucifer was the most beautiful angel according to the Bible

You should read the graphic novels if you get s chance. The show follows the script fairly closely but there are unique elements in the book that are worth encountering and appreciating. It is one of the finest graphic novels ever created. I say created and not written, because the visual aspect of the panels are just as important as the words.

They basically showed us how real gods fight and that's what makes it so beautiful

Lucifer Morningstar in the comics is actually really interesting cool , he is also one of the most powerful character in the dc universe.

@@richardrobinson6488 not to sound negative Richard, but quite literally we have no idea how "real" gods fight lol. I'm probably aware that you didnt literally mean it 😁😁🤪, but the scary thing is that some will. For those who do ( again probably not you Richard) let me enlighten you; when it comes to things we dont actually know that exist we have no idea how, or what, or basically anything about the subject. Thats like saying we know what happens after we die. The reality ( the one we all share) is that we have no idea what happens. Same with this subject. Unless any of us has seen a god, angel, demon, etc actually battle we dont know how they would, or that they even exist 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ To suggest otherwise is utter insanity. Have a nice day, stay humble lol. 👍✌️

@@giveematug7093 I was speaking within the context of fiction not reality. It's like saying if I were a god and fought someone else who was also a god, that's how I would expect them to fight. In that way it separates them from mere mortals who use martial arts. That's what I meant.

No lucifer wants to escape predestination....he doesn't want heaven,he doesn't want to follow his creator's plans for him

@@leekirash275 - And that hope of escaping predestination, the dream of doing so, is what fuels her rage.

Exactly there is no point to Lucifer existence if she can't punish and she can't punish without people being able to dream.

@@brendacastillo8146 you misunderstand something Lucifer and hell is different thing Lucifer only rule hell because the presence put him in that posittion, He not exist to rule hell, even if dream die and it make trouble for hell, it only make trouble to lucifer too because his posittion It not relate his existence

@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 by existence I mean Lucifer purpose, I know he is not going to disintegrate if dream dies.

Actually in comics this lucifer doesn't give 2 cent about heaven but hope matter to him because lucifer entire plot revolve around hope that one day he will break free from his father great plan that is everything in existence is pre determined and no one truly has any free will. So if he kill hope he is basically killing the reason he fighting or existing for.

@@kindle184 Which is what makes this duel, and it’s conclusion, so brilliant. How do you kill a dream? How do you beat hope? You don’t. Brilliant!

Yeah and in the bible, Jesus gives us hope that lucifer cant get away from humankind.

I think this is the moment Lucifer want to do something for herself, that is to leave Hell.

@@kindle184 While the particulars differ, this is essentially the point SpiderSpecs was making.

Some Borne Ultimatum style action lmao

I think they actually improved it over the source (where it was Choronzon vs. Dream). By having Lucifer take part personally, they raised the stakes and made Morpheus winning much more impressive a feat. Also, Lucifer's wounded pride over a *personal* defeat makes their promise to destroy Dream far less petty.

@@mattlemmons6647 yeah it develops Lucifer as a good enemy for next season. I haven’t read the source material so I don’t know how far this war between the dreaming will go but I’m excited

@@alfreddozier832 among hell and rest of the realms*

@@mattlemmons6647 No, this is worse because it says that Morpheus is smarter than Lucifer twice. Outsmarting a demon following by insulting Lucifer is better. It shows that Dream is the most powerful being in hell, which is the whole fucking point. If he beat Lucifer in the game and afterwards it's redundant.

Because that how angel supposed to be, but not any angel, THE angel, the first fallen, the upper class of angels in the bible Jesus is the first son of God, I think Satan was the second and then all the other angels came to exist. So Lucifer in not a simple fallen angel he's on i think almost Jesus level of power.

i agree with this

Outside of David Bowie, yes she was.

I prefer Tom Ellis.

@@greenpenguin0763 retconning for Jesus? Well the New Testament is basically a retcon

And still respecting Lucifer's title! Matthew really balances a tightrope here and I'm proud of him!

Well lucifer has honor duel anything else is beneath him

great character terrible choice of VA, Patton Oswalt is just an annoying voice to hear.

yes hope always survives, even if it goes away for a while nobody will be hopeless forever.

It actually make sense because before the battle, he admitted that Lucifer is way stronger than him and challenging Lucifer in a physical battle will be suicide. So an imagination battle happened instead.

@@Dennis-hy7jb He didn't challenge Lucifer. Lucifer was called on as a champion for the opponent after the challenge was made; a challenge that was chosen prior to Lucifer being named champion. Also, it was a battle of wits, not an "imagination battle", LoL.

@@tulekahju it’s an imagination battle while also being a battle of wits lmao

@@reallysadweeb4454 We'll have to agree to disagree; the visual effects emulating their battle of wits are just for us, the viewer. Also, I think it's inspired by the Transformation Chase.

@@tulekahju it can be both. You need a strong imagination to think of counters to your opponent, and you need a strong wit to be able to use said imagination

The other reason why it is so clever is that Lucifer knows what can kill hope: destiny, but answering that would mean that they acknowledged can never indeed win against God, cause it would've been part of the greater plan, which is what Lucifer tries to defy. Aaaaaaah, Love that show and it's writing 💕🏳‍⚧

@@scarlettaddams What is that heathen symbol?

But if Luci was anti-life, which kills life, who can hope than?

I feel this. I’m an atheist, always been one. There was a period in my life when I thought my mental disorder would never get better and that my story wouldn’t end well. I remember thinking I didn’t even have God to fall back on. One day, I was passing in front of my city’s cathedral and I remember reflecting on my lack of faith in a higher power and thinking: “I hope I’m wrong”. I didn’t become a believer since then, but this really shows how hope will cling to anything it can and is really last to die.

@@filippo8189 loving what you wrote. I also have a mental disorder so I understand that feeling of having no way out, but your reflection is what got me the most. Hope really lives on anything and anyone. No conditions. No demands.

This is how entities fight. Not like Heroes or vilains.

ohhhh that's a good catch

And that Matthew was convinced that "Dream of the Endless would never leave his raven alone in hell with Lucifer," even after learning that that's what he did to Nada. As if he simply couldn't accept that that's who Dream was and believed he was better than that. He, too, had hope.

I hate that she was in this episode. The comic covers her better.

@@Dunkleosteusenjoyer Nah. This was more effective. And made the dispute between them personal.

@@Dunkleosteusenjoyer She appears in the first arc in the comics too

Welcome to Vertigo.

Besides She has little stakes in this fight. She didn’t throw it out of curoisity and some PR

In the comics, Choronzon fought for himself. I guess they changed it in the show to have Morpheus look smarter than Lucifer or to add more suspense? An unnecessary change that takes away a bit of hype from Lucifer, in my opinion.

I think you have it up-side down mate. Lucifer is the most hopeful individual in all of existence, he clings on to the hope that he will be able to break free from his father, its what keeps him going. He knew he was beat the moment Dream named Lucifer's own 2nd greatest weapon

Lucifer is not thinking that gods role would be too much for him, in comics he created his own universe and became a god he just doesent want to be one he wants to have free will

@@Darklarik3 What is his first greatest, then?

Smackdown defeat

Didn't notice the lights or better put i didn't think it was important. This was a nice view of the scene

Lucifer then will make Dream Pay for this defeat, giving him the most dreadful political problem to solve in several eons.

I read the comics so I had a general idea of how it would play out, but the way they adapted it was amazing.

Marvel's Legion also did this kind of battle. Basically every encounter between telepaths in that show is a piece of art. It's either a dance off, a rap battle or a contest of imagination that bends reality and mind to ones will. Highly recomended ;)

It’s like playing dungeons and dragons or a rap battle

its like rock paper scissors. that's what it is.

Do you think people are idiots? 2:50 was meant to be clear enough to be noticed

@@Morcorco i miss Legion already. That episode where they had mind battle with the demon is so creative and epic. So unforgettable. One of the best shows ever.

No it’s the opposite, hope is the answer to defeat despair, not the other way around. Despair is the answer to delight/happiness. You can’t use despair to defeat hope because hope is born and exists within from pain/sufferings/despair/darkness/anti life.

@@matthewjensen524 Except hope cannot be achieved by someone who's already succumbed to despair. Despair means you've lost hope, and nothing can change that except an external shift of circumstance. That requires assistance from an outside source, or divine intervention.

@@bernardsoul5186 you're absolutely right. Even if you're full of hope, if you fall into despair, it will cloud up your judgment and you'll abandon it, unless, of course, there's external help/intervention. Although it is also true that it goes vice-versa, hope being an opposite to despair, Lucifer would rather have this little wound in the ego than winning the duel to the cost of admitting defeat in the greater battle, for saying there's a way to destroy hope, Lucifer would admit that the adversary to be dethroned from heaven was right; hell is where the lightbringer belongs for all eternity, and just can never win.

@@bernardsoul5186 I disagree. If you applied that same logic to anti life/destruction of everything, then hope wouldn’t be the answer either because according to your logic, there is no hope left when there’s nothing left to hope for because it’s total darkness/void of all existence. Clearly hope is what gives strength to all who are in darkness, hope is what drives new creation from the void of emptiness and hope is what gives you the will to endure despair. If that’s not the case, Lucifer wouldn’t accept defeat when Dream countered that without the ability to hope/dream of heaven, hell would lose its power for all those souls in hell who are already in eternal despair no longer serves any purpose. Despair would be the answer to delight/happiness, it’s what kills happiness, but not hope. Hope by definition is the anti thesis of all that is negative - destruction/despair/anti life/void/emptiness etc..

@@henrique8879 all those souls in hell who are in eternal despair would beg to differ. Hope is what drives them to exist or else hell no longer has any meaning. Hope is the ultimate answer to the void, the anti life, the total darkness of all and certainly hope is what drives you through despair and overcome it as well. Think of it this way, no matter how much suffering, how much despair, how much pain and how dark it is, if there is a gleam of hope that there is a light at the end of the darkness, if there is a gleam of hope that there is an end to all of the pain/sufferings/despair, then that is enough to drive you forward. Without hope, despair has no meaning. Hope by definition is born through despair/destruction/anti life/pain and sufferings/darkness, not the other way around.

Knew Lucifer was an angel prior to his fall from grace but never knew what he did. This info makes this moment so much better

I really love the look of shock on her face as the realization that she lost literally dawns on her. As fine as the acting is, small details like that what make this series so amazing.

Despair destroys hope but I guess that would be too personal an admission. Brilliant scene. This version is way different from the Vertigo Lucifer who really craved freedom above anything. He was generally neutral and hostile as the situation required it and forced no one to do anything other than exterminating people who prayed in the universe he created. I suppose that was harsh. I hoped he and the Presence would finally reconcile but that never happened

@@johannedillworth7413 - I'm not sure that would be a legal move: The embodiment of Despair is one of the Endless, and it is absolutely forbidden for one of the Endless to shed the blood of another. I suspect that an illegal move in such a game would have much greater consequences than "Sorry, pick something else."

@@TechBearSeattle That’s very interesting. Well at least in that concept the Angel has some limitation on its mischief.

I also feel like you start small to inflict more pain on each other to weaken each other mentally before you move onto the big stuff.

its about faith not Hope.Hope is blind faith. Hope is belief. Faith is knowlege.

@@Iloveyoubabys Faith and knowledge are completely different. 😅 Just like religion ( faith ) and science ( knowledge ) are, which are based on those 2 concepts. Like Gabriel once said to Constantine in the 2005 movie: You don't belief .. you know, John!

@@Iloveyoubabys Knowledge is knowledge, faith is hope.

yea i noticed tha without reading the comics...what a gooood show

The longing mixed with disgust on her face when he says it, tho. She’s brilliant in this role.

Yeeeees!!!

Lucifer is a male character in book 📚 though

@@___Anakin.Skywalker false, Lucifer is androgynous in the comics

@@cervicalestorticolis7914 you are wrong.

Kennings! That's the word I couldn't recall. I adore the solemn and evocative note they add to the duel of concepts.

Yess. Lucifer gave the most emphasis as she said she's a "Nova" because in Gaiman's Sandman, Lucifer is God's "Lamp Lighter" which just means Lucifer creating and destroying stars.

Legion did it a while back. Another great fight of the minds

If you are into anime, no game no life had a battle very similar to this

​@@niloxneloxIn anime they always do the lazy way of "telling instead of showing" specially during fight scenes so symbolical battle scenes like these are rendered pointless

The queen Gambit is a turn based😂

So you haven't watched Yugioh

Not a meteor, a nova. It’s a massive explosion made by a dying star.

I figured the counter to that would've been entropy, but that worked too

Well it is in the same universe and I always wondered if it was a reference to that

I am Jaime. Cersei-loving, King-slayer

I don't think that's how it works - what they say they 'are' in the game has nothing to do with the amount of power they have to 'embody' anything. It's a game of imagination. For every creature or concept one player thinks of, the other player has to be able to find a different creature or concept that can either kill it or just not be threatened by it. A wolf gets killed by a hunter gets killed by a snake gets killed by a bird of prey gets killed by a virus - at this stage of the fight, both of them are trying to kill each other. Then Morpheus switches tactics - he says he's a world because a virus is just something that a world contains but that can't harm the world. And Lucifer is still trying to kill, with a nova. So Morpheus is a universe - again, universes contain thousands of novae and are just not harmed by them. The step of 'anti-life' I guess has to be interpreted as not just killing all life (a universe would be perfectly fine without living creatures in it) but also everything that can metaphorically be said to have life - including stars, which can 'die'. And hope is the ultimate trump card for various reasons that have been sxplained here already (some of them specific to Lucifer, but in the original comics, Lucifer wasn't the one having this fight with Morpheus), but I believe most of it is that there will be creatures who will cling to hope in the face of anything (for reference, Morpheus's own line: What power would hell have if those imprisoned here would not be able to dream of heaven?")

It was all in the comics tho

I mean, it’s literally battle of imagination. They were battling on his ground lol

Lucifer outright threatens to kill Death at one point, and she doesn't deny he's capable, only that it would be pointless.

That's funny cause Lucifer is also known for is intellegence and brains in the comics

Lucifer is boy or girl?

So dream can beat batman

The challenge in the comic is slightly longer....12 steps deep, 3 pages wide.

If you’d know, they aren’t actually mentioning being wolfs, worlds, etc, if you see the picture,Lucifer Is trying to break Dreams Spirit by tormenting with Dreams worst fears or nightmares, Dream is just retaliating with what he can, the anti life equation could be Lucifer telling dream to kill himself or to abandon all hope in life, and Dream responds with hope which brings him back to life because he could erase the suicidal thoughts away after the raven talked to him

Having Morpheus face Lucifer was a really great change - it creates more ''hate'' from Lucifer against Dream and it works well

The battle was well represented but I wouldn't have put Lucifer against Morpheus. I feel like Lucifer gave up too fast. For being such an ancient being, being created in heaven and reborn to hell, I'm sure she would have had something to counter hope. I am a child, deprived of dreams. This battle was too quick. Ok, it's a series. To me the best part until now is in the road diner. That's the tone of the Sandman comic. The sound of her wings should have gone further (like in the comics they should have made the woman cry out for her baby). There are some shortcuts taken for I think viewer approval. I wish they didn't do that. Now regarding Lucifer, in the comics the character is more taunting, confronting, cruel in a more vicious way, while in the series there is a politeness that shouldn't be there because Morpheus wasn't invited. Loved when he delivered the purpose of hell and the necessity of dreaming to reinforce hell. As in the comic, this was extremely well done. The Nada scene seemed forced. Haven't seen all episodes so maybe we'll get there.

@@huser365 i think it had to do with lucifer relying on hope too.

@@huser365 the thing is that even those in the worst possible situation hope. There is always the hope for new life in the presence of anti life. The hope that far from now, it will thrive again. Nothing ever defeats hope. Even those who have lost hope of escape will hope for death.

@@ddy7323 didn't think of it before, but yeah that's a pretty good reason, 'cause she hopes to destroy God and killing that hope leaves her without purpose

Sandman it´s much before the majority of all Animes