HorseShoe, West Side Mob & SSP been going down in numbers & territory, not to each other but to tech workers/gentrification. Willow Glen area is a desirable place for tech workers due to its proximity to Lincoln Ave and such. I know a lot of homeboys' families who sold their homes and bought huge properties in the Central Valley & the Central Coast. This is pre-Covid, but once the economy goes back to normal and tech companies start hiring big, it's gonna keep on going with gentrification.

Horseshoe is said to be the oldest "active" varrio in San Jo but Varrio Meadowfair is mentioned in the book East Side Dreams during the 1950's before author Art Rodriguez met Mad Dog in YA. Mad Dog de San Jo was the individual whose calcos (stacy's shoes) were stolen that resulted in the Shoe War in 1968. Mad Dog's flicka is depicted in the East Side Dreams book as the homeboy with a paño with SJ blasted on it. Mad Dog's cellie during the Shoe War was from Maravilla, this is well before Norte y Sur existed as we know it today. The other varrios that are still active and as old as VHS is Barrio Rio Seco, Varrio Meadowfair and El Hoyo Palmas. But the oldest varrios in San Jo were actually Varrio Sal Si Puedes which dates back to the 1800's and Varrio Jackson Kings, an offshoot within the same varrio which goes back to the Pachuco era 1920’s-1940’s when the Church of Guadalupe and Mayfair Cannery was built there. Today that varrio has the official name of Mayfiar, the name of the Cannery that was once there, and has varrios Varrio Virginia Trece 34th, Surenos Por Vida, Varrio Poco Way Locos, Varrio 33rd EHP, and Varrio Sanders (although I believe they dont have a new generation). El Hoyo Palmas has a unique history in that San Jo's first car club was New Style Car Club in 1974 in believe, repped the same colors as Palmas and members often rocked the P hat during the early years in the 70's. New Style Car Club was based out of the Palmas neighborhood, basically all the kids who went to Overfelt, New Style car club president Andy Douglas created the first hydralics kit in the country and he had several Andy's Hydraulics shops throughout Northern California, some also in SoCal.

San Jose is the Mexican / Chicano stronghold of urban Northern CA so it attracted urban Chicanos from down South. That was pre North vs South gangbanging tho so hard to view that relationship thru modern lens 50+ yrs later. As the Norteño identity was exported from prison to the streets of Northern CA everybody in San Jo became Norteños of course and the bridges that Brown people built before that were broken .. which from a big picture perspective is sad but it is what it is. The famous “Walk Outs” in LA .. the test run was done in San Jose a year prior..the Chicano Rights Movement, Lowrider Culture etc brought a lot of raza from both ends of the state together and that was most noticeable in San Jo in the 60s - when there was barrio warfare but no colors / numbers. People coming up North from LA back then was like people from up North going to LA now .. no one was paying attention because they weren’t rivals they were foreigners to local beefs. Plus let’s be real LA was the Mecca for all things Chicano so it was cool to have Brown brothers and sisters come up to Northern CA and they liked it because San Jo was kind of like a new canvas where the idealism and activism could be used at the early stages of a big city instead of LA that was already large and politically entrenched and had competing interests from organized Black groups. Up here Black and Brown worked better together on common goals and plenty of young people wanting to be in the fight and the Academic Left at Berkeley etc..it was a dope era before these guys in prison f’ed it all up .. find some older San Jo gente and have *that* conversation 💯

Horse Shoe in their prime Mid 1970’s to Early 1980’s were untouchable. They aligned with no one. Many of their well known hitters became “NF” and the others died. VHS is almost comparable to ELA’s ( White Fence ) the Mob, WS Ganga & Libre came much later.

I am from ESS known as East Side StocktoNe. Our roots date back to the 1930s when East Side Stockton was called Barrio Chivo. And then during the 1940s and 1950s South Side Stockton was known as "Dog Patch" and were Rivals to the Chivos. To the homie Upstater. Last year in 2023 they had an exhibit for barrio chivo and they are planning to do another one in 2024. You're more than welcome to come and check it out this year. A friendly environment for Raza to preserve historia ✊🏾

Listo saludo homie the varrio HORSESHOE IN LOS IS NOT CALLED HS RIVERA...ITS JUST CALLED VARRIO HORSESHOE THE ONLY NAMES WE PUT AFTER HS WAS OUR CLICKS..THATS IT.. SOMETIMES HOMIES WOULD SAY HS PICO RIVERA BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE JOINT..PICO RIVERA IS THE CITY were in.. UR RIGHT.. WE DIDNT GET ALONG WITH THE surrounding hoods..WE CAN Collab I can let you know more about the history..HMU.. C/R listo

I heard this from my 85 year old man and he told me when he was a young buck used to hang out there at the park at Virginia and Delmas and he would wear a vest with a logo that says Los Lobos he said some years past they close the street that ran through the park and made it u-shape and then they started calling it horseshoe so like I said this guy was there 70 years ago when he was 15

My primo is from HS in Pico. So I was told before all the north-south was a thing some HS members moved up there from down south. The HS in SJ was up there, so they ended up being nortenos. I was also told by Northerners it was because of their parking lot shape at their park in San Jo.

THATZ HOW YOU KNOW UPSTATE SOUTHSIDE NEVER BEEN IN THE GAME THAT LONG WHEN IT COMES TO NORTHERN CALIFAS LOL THEY THINK VHS IS THE OLDEST HOOD UP HERE NO MMS🤣😅😭

Listo I've been slacking listening in mate ,but I'm binge watching my favourite upstater. Great video, cool snaps . Well done my boiiii. Respect from Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪 🤝

Nice putting it Down .Im from my Varrior Horse shoe West Side and Always will be.The Picture from all my Carnales at the Park..

Oldest homie Gang in North Hayward 🏚️is A Street (late 60s) , Princeton st , Ramos Ave , Royal Ave ( all early 70s / early 80s ) , D st (late 90s) , Longwood Ave (80s) , and back in the day South Garden was Homie territory until a Eme figure from LA or I think parolled from Tracy moved into Hayward late 70s and early 80s became a Southern Gang . But when the east bay , Hayward was 415 area code all of North Hayward was Northerners till the mid - Late 90s early 2000s when B street 13 & South Garden Ave became a issue until mid 2000s and early 2010s that’s when B street died out but they still a lil pocket of Surenos on S. garden but Old niggas n some lil niggas but I’m not gon sugar coat it they ain’t a factor anymore but every now n then we bump into niggas n get off

In these pics at Biebrach Park ( VHS ) members of VST are seeing with VHS. This was rare to see VST there. Randazzo (VHS) was friends with VST and later South Side Ganga. They only had ( day use privilege’s )😂

Born and raised WSSJ early 90s was cracking with that RCF NEAR STOKES st!! We rep all San jose! Sharkterosssss

It was 4-5 brothers. The older brothers were born in Mexico. They moved to West Side in the early 70's (maybe late 60's) and went to Willow Glen. They were not banging Sur or "surenos", but technically were. But they started their varrio by knocking on doors and didnt start as a gang but more of kick it varrio. They went head to head with the strongest varrios from the ES, and eventually gained the respect as the strongest hood in SJ. Which was unheard of for the West Side. But the older OG's wear red, eventhough the brothers always stayed neutral. East side has older hoods tho.

I know some of the dudes from horseshoe in pico Rivera …. There hoods in the middle of pico viejo pico nuevo and Jardins neighborhood….. horseshoe gets along with pico nuevo because lil travieso from horseshoe and spek from pico nuevo brothers

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Dosnt really matter who’s the oldest tbh all that matters is San Jo is Norte territory and always has been . Surenos snuck into the west while the Horseshoe and the Mob were at war . The low income housing is full of immigrant families which make it easy to recruit and is the only reason the sur still holds a presence. Easy to gang bang in Northern Territory when your gang don’t require you to be outside . San Jo is big and gentrification plays a huge part in the struggle of being a gang in San Jo also💯

But back then it wasn’t considered a sure no or originally a sureno varrio or homie hood it was All chicano shit back then till the 80s but ong a lot of Older Chicanos Cholos or homies or homeboy hood have originally started with people from down south moving up north and developing n help start hood and varrios here with Chicano’s born here

Hey can do a profile on Varrio Little Town South Side San Jo

Damn upstaters don’t know anything about the calles up here 😂🤦🏻‍♂️ the oldest hoods NEVER derived from the south. Barrio Chivo aka Eastside Stocktone from the 1930’s, Sal Si Puedes 1940’s. Jackson Kings from SJ came about in the 1940’s, El Hoyo Palmas de SJ 1970’s. SFM from the 1940’s, Varrio Perry Heights de Corco 1960’s, El Campo de Ceres 1950’s, Youth Gone Wild de Delano 1960’s, Barrio Westside Modesto 1970’s, Varrio Chicano aka Varrio Southside Modesto 1970’s, Salinas East Marketa 1970’s, Northside Castro 1940’s, Colonia Maravilla aka Capitol Park Locos 1960’s, Soledad Vatos Locos 1960’s, Northside Watson Locos 1970’s etc

Even tho you’re an upstater I really like ur channel….much love from The D1rty W4terz

HORSESHOE BLOCK HAS NOTHIBG TO DO WITH SURENOS NORTENOS STARTED THAT NABORHOOD YOU JUST WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT IF COMES FROM THE SOUTH HAHAHAHAHA 🔴🔴🔴🔴

Que rifa la HORSE SHOE we gave all them hoods the blues 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Yo soy lil Popeye Horseshoe sela we still here pocos pero locos VHSR

One more thing one of the homies sent a post , I didn't notice till I read his comment , the neighborhood is just Varrio HORSESHOE 13

Pico Nuevo also established in AZ with the gente having ties to So Cal and one of the vatos becoming a señor for the AZ MM.

@Upstate Point of View ever heard of MS in San Jo

Just like Loma Bakers that hood used to be A Norteno hood in Bakersfield that’s why Colonia and Loma bakers still beef today although they are both sureno hoods

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Horse shoe is not rhe oldest neighborhood to come out of sj they're 1 of the top 3 oldest in san jo. but in northern California they are definitely not the oldest and the fact you kept saying oldest "norteno" hood just doesn't fit because none of thesehoods that were here before the 80s were really norteno hoods let alone sureno hoods maybe they had certain members that were coming home from the pen that were starting to identify as either or but as a whole i doubt they were labeling they're hood as that. I feel you miss labeled your video 🤷‍♂️

"Quiet as its kept" Ok Gunner lol Every hood started as southsiders nortenos came later

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VHS is Not tha oldest hood in San Jo….. EL HOYO PALMAS is tha oldest hood

“Jackson Kings” pre-Dates VHS.

A lot of this info is incorrect, but you acknowledge that. Whoever your source is did not do a good job

Correction, VHS WSSJ developed out of the Chicano community surrounding Del Monte Cannery. And North and South were strictly a prison thing that resulted after the death of Cheyenne and false propaganda spread by informant Mundo who takes credit for instigating what resulted in Cheyenne's death and the slur "farmero" to isolate the organization to Northern California which was never true. The Norteno movement didn't become official in prison until the 80s and the barrios didnt fall in line until the mid to late 90s. Surenos werent official until 1992 during the taxing and no drive bys campaign. Upstate wasnt official until possibly early 2000s when Upstate Sureno became the official title and fall in line unlike previously where they were just wearing blue and gang banging.

This fool and all these pages be missing a lot of info 😕 lol on both sides 😂

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Checking in from San Jose California.....please folks start buying homes for our RAZA....this ERA was cool but gone..the red and blue....others are buying homes and kicking out families out of SAN JOSE..EAST,WEST,SOUTH,NORTH.......BUY your home....I'VE seen what happened to ECHO PARK....it's so hip...no more latinos...no more ExParque...its trendy..

I ran across your video about Horse Shoe , I grew up in Pico Rivera and HS didn’t start until the late 60s same as Pico Nuevo , the other Neighborhoods have an earlier beginning but where not here to talk about them. HS is a very small hood the only time they had some numbers was in the middle 70s but they dropped because most of the recruiting was being done in JR high school and HS would get jumped because other local gangs controlled the schools and the recruiting, you couldn’t go ti school if you claimed HS without getting beat up so no one would get in until they dropped out or graduated school then they claimed there hood. I knew a lot of them but that neighborhood almost gone not too many left . Gangs in LA county’s are not as big like before although there still there and doing their thing, and yes HS started in Pico and a family moved up north and started it up over there , I never thought it would turn into a Norteno hood but it’s all good it is what it is .

El hoyo palmas is the oldest varrio norteno wise to first come up in san jo, then the Horseshoe so on and so forth. All the rest came when gang banging and cruising king / story evolved. I'm from the 1st generation VHS. Libre Was not a factor in that time. There was west side Ganga varrio burbank,and Libre. ONLY hoods from the west. When varrio Libre got dismantled by the city,then that's when they the west side mob took over Libre and it's foundation and that's how the mob started. The first generation VARRIO HORSESHOE WAS STARTED CIRCA .... 1975 HENCE. ALL THE HOMIES THAT ARE STILL ALIVE,IN THE PINTAS,OR DEAD, SHOULD ALL BE WELL INTO THERE 60'S N 70'S AGE RANGE.ANY YOUNGER THEN THAT ,STARTS A NEW GENERATION EVERY TEN YEARS. BEFORE THE HS WAS CALLED THE BIEBRACH ZOO. BIKE CLUB CALLED " LOS VAGOS" ALL THE PARTICIPANTS THAT WERE IN THIS BIKE CLUB WITH LETTERS EVOLVED IN THE HORSHOE GANGA WHEN THEY REMODELED THE PARK AND THE SYMETRY OF THE VARRIO,THAT THEN IN TIME WAS DUBBED THE HORSESHOE.GOT TO BE SO VAST AND WIDE THAT EVEN THE MAYOR JANET GREY HAYES WENT CRUISING IN THE SHOE. MY VARRIO WAS BIG IN THE DAY,GOT TORCIDO ,GONE FIVE YEARS IT WAS MASSIVE ALOT OF HENTE CLAIMING VHS.

Was good I use 2 live in 408 and 209

Rivera'13 is right there to huh 🇲🇽🇺🇲🇨🇴🙏❤️🥊

You forgot about Vickys Town I heard Horse Shoe would bounce back and forth

Oldest homie gang is The Fruit Stand Gang in Salinas East Side ( s.e.s ) old skool shit my mom mom from that shit SES N my grandma from my grandma side from the Fruit Stand Market st

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lol wait until they find about the mission in SF 1776 older than LA the CITY. MISSION is first neighborhood in SF, LA was founded in 1781

Aye bro you should make a video of what city of upstaters lie and exaggerate the most on KZfaq

You should do hoods with secondarily colors and symbols

I fuck wit your Videos g

Like I heard supposedly Tortilla Flats 14 n Hayward was Originally started by The tortilla flats 13 from Compton but tortilla flats in Hayward first was brought up in the late 70s supposedly the story is Compton people moved up north to the Bay Area in Hayward and moved into the south Hayward area n started a tortilla flats gangs with Chicano’s from Hayward I heard

Break it all down homie

Horseshoe is dead gentrification kicked them out there hood, no one from VHS lives in there hood, they should of thought years bck about relocating different area

Horse shoe isn’t the oldest norteno neighborhood in California. That belongs to a little cow town in central California called porterville

Damn listo ya güey who hurt you?!

To keep it real all them hoods in L.A in the late 1800s and early 1900s and 20s 30s was all hoods that was Whites like Italian Polish Irish jews hoods. Not to many Mexicans back then. Then Mexicans ended up being part of and taking over in the late 40s 50s. Like Dog Town that is the oldest and still active hood in Southern California was white first! Thats My older cousin hood I have a lot of Southern California real South Siders from down there. From. East Lake, Lincoln Heights, East L.A l, El Monte, El Sereno Big Hazard, Dog Town. None up here! We all Northern Chicanos North Siders. We keep it real on our side, we rep what side of California we from none of that wannabe shit. But yep all them old hoods was from American White Europeans first. A few Mexican hoods came a long in the mid 30s.

It’s old but no the oldest. In Sanger, Varrio Sanger 13 & Varrio Chankla 14 been around since the 1960’s BEFORE the South North split, I heard some Stockton northern hoods been around since the 30’s too, same with SJ and SF

Make a video of what nortenos hoods have or had ties to surenos hoods.

Been saying this the nortays are the orgianl 25ers

Idk if it’s the oldest. Decoto , A street , 38 st locos dgf go back to 50s 60s before the eme / nf split.

I thought Meadowfair was there with them as to older neighborhoods!

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Oldest upstate Trece hoods is either Santa Eastside (70’s) Varrio Sanger 13 (60’s) Varrio Frontera Locos 70’s Poorside Watson 80’s Clanton 14 (80’s)

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Now you just saying whatever

What's good my boy? 🫡💯🤝🏽

Do a video on Sur orgins of Norte hoods

Palmas is I think and SOS

Stop reaching

If ut was 40s I stand corrected

Lies 😂😂😂😂😂 trippin

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First of all you got your neighborhoods twisted that first picture you're showing is from down South has nothing to do with up north

Varrio libre

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Even san jose norteno low budget rapper Lazy boy knows there Sureños hoods established with the business in SJ 😂

I send mine

It’s gentrification

It’s not The west side of San Jose. Virginia Bridge goes east to west

Vickeys town was first

April fools?

LOL 😂 DOUBLE S SOUTHSIDE IS THE BIG BROTHER AND NF IS THE LIL BROTHER NORTE PEOPLE ARE SOFT DOWN SOUTH STARTED UP THE GANGSTER SHIT 😂

Eastside hoods que no? Was an old hood

Where the lil youngster Norte goofys tagging on willow st get caught levas in the west side of San Jose the Sureños run it trucha even Listo tubby knows what sup Essj to Wssj x3 🇲🇽🦈🔵👌

Horse shoe is no longer around in Pico .....extinct !

Breaking news all my speculations was right

Saludos to all the Kanpoleros out of the 510! HAYWARD !

I still live in East San Jo right now. This video is completely FALSE & BS. 🗑 this video ASAP.