Those who know what's in the box 💀

"If he was so capable then why is he dead?" "I didn't say he was perfect" That had me cracking up

"Come on Mal" never thought I'd hear a Primarch, least of all Horus, be so casual.

I like how even Horus knows that Fulgrim killing Ferrus was a waste and yeah if Ferrus had joined the traitors the imperial Palace wouldn’t have lasted a week not only because of his mastery of war, but also because he was a damn good blacksmith pair him up with Perturabo the things they could create would make daemon engines look mediocre

I love the subtle "fuck fulgrim" that is apparent in this scene.

Guillermo being a statesman forced to be a general is a really cool part of his character

“Cmon Mal” -Horus -The Emperor

It so great we have several novels about Ferrus being good at war; imagine if all we had was him getting trolled by some dudes that didn't even want to engage him in combat and then he died. That'd be embarrasing

Horus knew Guilliman knew war as much as he, but he also knew there was no way to get him on his side

Horus shows respect for Ferrus; Perturabo: "And I took that personally."

I feel like the writers killed him off with so little lore building around Ferrus they artificially inflate him postmortem. In Ferrus’s primarch book he came across as a stubborn idiot imo, and the Imperium’s better off without his leadership sending them in the wrong direction

The Kahn after single handedly wiping out an entire Orc Waaagh: What was that that brother? I couldn't hear you.

🤔 "If he was so capable, why is he dead?" 🤨 "I didn't say he's perfect!" Somehow this made my soul laugh.

I was expecting Corax personally. Horus certainly seemed to try pretty hard to get him on side.

"IIIIIII AM THE HEEEEEAD IN THE BOX!" -Ferrus Manus

“Better a box than a jar.”

If only my Phoenicean brother wasn't so bereft of subtlety Lol, said headless Ferrus as he rejects Fulgrim again and again, lmao

What if: the Traitors get Ferrus, but the loyalists get Perturabo. Now who wins? Edit since this has started discussion: For the sake of fairness, how about Dorn dies instead of Ferrus. So each of the three replaces one of the others.

If you listen carefully, Horus indicates he respects three primarchs. First, Guilliman. "He knows war as well as I do." Second, the Khan. Then, Ferrus Manus. As to Guilliman, he later makes this comment: Calth burned. Yet, our brother lived. Roboute. Wise Roboute. Roboute with his scratching quills, his plans and his hope. Too understanding, too strong. Too damned perfect. ... I wish he was with us."

No one suffered as much as Horus did when he learned who joined his side and who didn’t

Gotta remember Ferrus was the only Primearch who saw Big E and without a second thought went “Square up” We might not have lots of lore on him but that Gulliman admiring him And now here Horus himself stating how he was a tactical genius

I like the idea of Horus having to kill Ferrus so early in the heresy because he knew just how much harder it would be with him alive. Kind of helps Ferrus be more then than a headless plot point.

Jagathai Khan was also one Horus specifically respected. Even in this clip. Their interactions in the books are few, but each of them paints a picture of them being almost as close as Horus and Sanguinius. Or even Ferrus and Fulgrim.

Ferrus Manus, the true lord of iron. Striving for perfection without the foolish degenerate perversion of Fulgrim. Killed for his loalty, death from betrayal, far too soon.

War never ceases on Medusa, it’s what makes the people strong. The constant testing of limits would make Ferrus stand out against his brothers. Now, I do think Ferrus has suffered from bad writing (mostly different authors not fully understanding his character) or lack of writing. However, I hope that they come out with more preHeresy lore and fix up the bad characterization a bit.

He knows war as well as I do even though he wishes he didn't - that hits

They HAD to give Ferrus SOMETHING, he’s the most forgettable primarch. Atm, his best personality trait was when he stepped down from chasing being the warmaster and admitted honestly he wasn’t the best fit, and believed in evolving as a person, hoping to bring his sons forward with him. Then he got purple rained.

This kinda goes for many of the loyalist primarchs tbh. The lion, if it was actually possible for him to turn lorewise, would be a devastating addition to the cause with his tactics and focus, as would guillliman. Heck, if gman had turned instead of anyone except perty, the war would be years shorter. And if dorn had turned, the imperial palace would be useless against its builder

Horus respected and even admired many of the loyalist primarchs

Retroactively building ferrous into this powerful beast that everyone loved or respected is weird. He was a bit character they killed off relatively quickly, and it all seems forced now

I don't know why "I didn't say he was PERFECT" sent me, but it did. Also, so creepy the way he taps that box when referring to Ferrus...

Mal really throw that: If bro is so gangsta why he dead tho?

The reason Ferris wouldn’t turn traitor is because he had the capacity to turn over a new leaf when the great crusade ended, he intended to find a way to remove the iron encasing his hands for he thought he relied too much on them, making him weaker than his brothers, even as much of a warmonger he and his sons were, he had the capacity to embrace peace. Once he died his sons were basically screwed to become something he would despise

I will say, as bereft of proper character as Horus often is, I still get a giggle that a good portion of his post-corruption dialogue is just bitching that his side is full of the fuck-ups.

"Sire, I think you would just like to have Ferrus around so he can make some fancy weapons for you" "You got me here, not gonna lie"

Not gonna lie, I would love a "What if..." story arc for 40K.

Ferrus is the ultimate tell don't show character. Every single primarch rambles on and on about how great Ferrus is, and literally every time he shows up in the lore its to get dunked on by the Emperor's Children.

This feels like the aquaman effect, he got nuked too early and became irrelevant, now every author is overcompensating by having everyone and their mother sing their praises.

I love how writers really try to high up Ferrus to not make him look that bad.

Some Primarchs become more powerful when angry but for Ferrus and Dorn not so much.

Yeah, look how vicious his legion was before they were found. Manus had a ton of respect including from the emperor himself. More human than pete turbo. He would have housed fulgrim in nearly any other situation

I legit thought In disappointment he just be another perty fanboy. I can’t say how delighted I am to be wrong

Horus saying he keeping everything together meanwhile perty is the logistics the call centre the mess hall the kitchen the workshop the factory and the resource extraction all at once just for everyone to shit talk him

Guilliman is the veteran commander that DOESNT want to helm a war but any campaign would be so lucky to have him. It's a shame he just wants to build a farm and fuck off from all.

To the emperor he was the iron general, to his sons he was ferrus manus, to the imperium he was the gorgon. The tragedy of ferrus manus is his plan was perfect. He had the traitors pinned, weakened from their campaigns to purge the loyalist elements, their fleets unable to come to aid them and in desperate need of resupply. Had the iron warriors, word bearers, nightlords, and alpha legion deployed as intended the traitor legions would have been destroyed. It is even likely ferrus would be alive despite his costly duel with fulgrim despite how many view it. He actually did beat fulgrim until the warp was tore open by slaanesh and he was held down by a evil god. But it didn’t go as planned. The warp did rip open. The loyalists were totally broken by treachery. The iron hands were disgraced. The iron hands have lived with this shame for 10 thousand years. It is little wonder bitterness has taken root in them, when the universe conspired against them.

Big talk coming from a dude who’s legion got carried by the iron warriors in the siege of terra.

"C'mon, man!" - Horus

Ferrus losing to Fulgrim twice and dying so early did not accurately show just how much of a warlord he is

Horus "If Fulgrim wasnt so flamboyantly trigger happy I might have turned Ferrus"

I Miss Ferris he was cool

Ferrus always gets hyped up, but there's so little on him. The one time we see him in action he fucks up because he's to angry and to sure of himself. Not the best example of how great he is

I’d personally pick Guilimen or Lion honorable mention goes to Dorn or Sangiuius

Imagine if Ferrus didn't die on Istvan and managed to make it back to Terra for the siege. The first wall would've never fallen.

Yet he did everything to his power to not face girlyman

In just the 3rd HH book, Galaxy In Flames, when Fulgrim reports to Horus that he was unable to sway Ferrus Manus to the Traitors, Horus flew into a rage, lambasting Fulgrim for allowing him to remain Loyal. Specifically, Horus said to Fulgrim, “You swore to me that you could sway [Ferrus]! The Iron Hands were essential to my plans. I planned Isstvan III with your assurance that Ferrus Manus would join us. Now I find that I have yet another enemy to contend with. A great many of our Astartes will die because of this, Fulgrim.” pp. 352

My first thought was the khan

Pertu + Ferrus even DORN wouldn't last long But then again IF Guilliman was at the SEIGE of Terra even Pertu + Ferrus would be crying

Wish we got a bit more of ferrus he was unexpectedly wholesome

The moment Horus said "Ferrus!" he just upscaled 40k 🗿

The inevitable 40k movie or series should be exactly like this. Dive headfirst into the cheese factor

I like the "...other than Sanguinius..." line. Still didn't stop them from facing off against each other in battle... What makes Sanguinius's actions even more selfless is that chances are he knew the fate that awaited him, but also what would have happened if he DIDN'T face Horus...

"Then who?" "#11."

The Gorgon deserves more respect from the whole fan base, honestly. Cool dude, Ferrus.

Guilliman Loves Ferrus Horus Loves Ferrus Fulgrim Loves Ferrus BUT HOW? Can GW make a novel about him MOAR!!!

Gulliman says something similar in Know no Fear. He says he believed with any of four other brothers - Sanguinius, Dorn, Horus and Ferrus Manus, the Ultramarines and their respective Legion could fight against any foe in the Imperium. He said that of them, if it were the Ultramarines and the Iron Hands, they would win against any foe in the Imperium.

I always love how the khan and lion get down played so much caue they and there legions just kept to them selves I don't think the other primarcs understand the true power the white scars and the dark angels really had and still kinda do

dam straight he didnt respect the Lion HE FEARED HIM

Guilliman in the current setting merely proves that Horus was spot on. He’s managing an imperium ripped in half and keeping it somewhat together while hating every minute of it. No other primarch save Horus would have been able to manage wrangling so many factions into some form of cooperation save maybe sanguinius. He doesn’t really count though since it’s more a result of his innate charisma/“charm” than his ability to lead though not to say he wasn’t exceptional at it.

Horrus having respect for anyone else is just mind blowing

Ferrus attacked Fulgrim twice and got demolished both times. He angrily insisted on immediately plunging face first into an uncertain battle in order to salve his wounded pride instead of waiting for reinforcements that would have cemented victory. This resulted in the angry potato dying and his legion being decimated and largely taken off the board. Sometimes, those GW writers are so far up their own butts, that they can look through their own eye sockets.

This was so amazing he has the wisdom

"...if only my Phoenician brother weren't so bereft of subtlety." Unbelievable Omega-Level burn from Horus.

I feel like Horus respected most of his loyalist brothers, and he would gladly exchange every traitor Primarchs for their Loyalist counterparts : "I lead an army of broken monsters", "Who do so many I'd wish beside me stand against me ?" He respected them all, for different reasons of course, but he respected them. But yeah, Sanguinius and Ferrus are above the rest.

Ghost Ferrus Approves, the primarchs are weeeeeak

Horus knew that some of those on his side were sub-par, I remember reading that he would've favoured Dorn over Perturabo and that Dorm would've cracked Terra’s defences with ease, it just turned out that he ended up with some of the more idiotic and deranged Primarchs on his side.

In some ways, that wasnt as much respect as feeling a kindred spirit. In some ways, each primarch had a different use. Guilliman for logistics, fulgrim for image, mortarion for execution, horus for war, dorn for fortification, etc

im gonna need that music track

Common Ferrus W!

Horus was immensely jealous of the Lion by the Emperor’s own admission

Horus won't stop complaining about other primarchs not joining his heresy, but alsi won't even help Perturabo keeping the other traitors in check.

"All he cares is Excel Premium all day."

For all the flaws of the Ferrus Lore; he is still one of my favorite loyalist primarchs, its tragic what his legion became, even for his sense of rage and impatient behavior he still had enough sense to tell his legion not to become souless machines. Ferrus is a warrior and craftsman plain and simple; he doesnt need to be anymore complex than his brothers, he still needs lore no doubt, but he needs more than just an essay summaries worth of his time in the heresy to say the least.

Imagine how fast would the siege of Terra could have ended if Ferrus and Perturabo both joined Horus

Funny how Horus recognizes the merits of other primarchs yet still fails to recognize and value Perturabo even while the Iron Warriors where pretty much carrying the heresy. It's Perturabo's gimmick, I guess.

There's military tactics, then there's swordsmanship. Ferrus unfortunately only had the one

Sad that even Horus didn't give Pertuabo the credit he deserved. If they actually followed his plans, the imperial palace would have fallen just as quick. But Peter was trying to command a army of rabid dogs by that point.

I like that Horus said that him and Jaghatai are a very much alike. I wonder what Jaghatai's thoughts would be on this.

Finally some respect

Hmm ... Ferrus * it was actualy Ferrus * HA , knew it

Damn, the Engineer got murked!

I immediately forget about Ferrus until he is specifically mentioned.

If someday we have a series of warhammer40k, they wont be able to cover all the stories going on, thats so sad. All the characters developpment, all the species. All the wars...

Curiously, most primarchs seem to think highly or even very highly of Ferrus, but the major exception seems to be Ferrus himself, especially after the Gaardinal _...situation..._

I see why now so many liked Horus. He didn't have a quirk to him like most primarchs, he was simply the greatest warrior and man to exist within an age, possibly ever, since the Emperor seems to be shirking his manhood by the century. He's refreshingly un-unique and envisages traditional traits that every man can respect.

Oh... That box got something interesting in it

So like I know what he's saying but wouldn't it be interesting if he was only saying that out of some sick sense of mourning ? He believes himself surrounded by self centered idiots, Ferus, this brother whom he would have rather had on his side, is the first constant reminder of the path he's been set upon. Horus has taken up to talking to the thing by the end of the end of the Heresy; perhaps in the absence of anything that makes sense to him he's taken up a sick sense of respect for his first dead brother, believing Ferrus to be everything he needed and more.

I mean he didnt respect the Lion, but he did fear him and the 1st Legion.

Ferrus had to die, he's simply too awesome to live. Whichever side he's on would win by default.

in Minecraft you needed 2 irons to make the sword, the first sword to fight to all, he had only one iron, Iron warriors, and thus, it failed

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