FPS Games like Overwatch and R6 because there are almost no fighting games with good netcode to play even nationally, much less internationally.

SSBM with Slippi and LCS have managed to adapt well. We will have to see about Overwatch League. I heard teams are going to Hawaii

Definitely not Paladins. That scene just got the plug pulled on it by Hi-Rez

Marvel vs capcom 2

I think you should also cover the explosion in popularity of online Sim-racing last year due to most racing series' organizers need to do something for the fans to past the time during the pandemic before they could even held any actual race at all.

"Melee online has less lag than ultimate offline" I still cant get over how embarrassing that statement has to be for Nintendo

Then Nintendo brings a cease and deasest (idk how to spell deasest sorry)

Shit it has better netplay then most fighting games honestly.

@@Mufnman64 you’re right dude

And then get punished for it

I agree... where I live the best non-throttled, low firewalled ISP I can get is 10mbps download, and parsec requires 3 or 4 times that speed to stream. My ISP gives me a stable ping but low speeds. If I chose an ISP with higher speeds (say 100Mbps), my ping becomes unstable. So I have to choose the best-worst connection. Games with good netcode I can play fine. I can play MOBAs, shooters, etc., but things like online SFV are just garbage. So Parsec is definitely a good solution in areas where good connections are accesible, but still leave out a lot of players. I don't expect the any netcode to rival something like Parsec (unless its GGPO but good luck selling gppo to japanese developers). But a good netcode should at least be close enough to be enjoyable.

Yeah we just need the netcode part and render the video clientside to become a lot more universal. Why companies insist on having just a few shitty servers of their own I wont understand.

Parsec isn't about being better than having good netcode as part of a game's core, it is about giving an alternative to those games that have not said good netcode. Of course having good netcode from the start is the way to go.

@@technogalewell in their marketing it’s clear they were more going for games that are strictly local multiplayer but yeah

better than nothing

@@captainmalice Sure, but I think most would much rather these developers get their shit together instead.

@@codedrip6057 i agree, but why would they. Instead of forcing them to, they create solutions. Nice, but now the companies don't even need to try because of that. I feel in general that the fcg is controlled too much by them capitalists, the redicolus dlc being an example.

I wouldn't say the rest of the game industry is doing any better, look at fps servers for example.

@@martmine4618 yes but at least there are some games from other genres that aren't like that (fortnight, tf2, overwatch...) I want to get into fighting games but i haven't found a single non dlc filled game in this entire gen (and older games are harder, have less guids, no online to play since i have no friends and everyone who still playes them is a veteran). Its just sad, i prefer to spend money on other games than on this amount of dlc :(

he’s allowed to marry who he wants

Till Nintendo finds out ppl use it to experience joy

@@Sonderasf yeah joi sucks

@@Sonderasf parsec is pc only, nobody uses parsec for smash bros melee because slippi's netcode is miles better than parsec and nintendo doesn't own any other game that uses parsec for tournaments.

@@olah547 ultimate could be played on parsec

@Korero Korero the exact same thing they get in return the creators of slippi

That part isnt actually true. I hate to defend capcom but they changed their netcode. They didn't fix it entirely but they are trying to improve.

Yeah, the pc fix also made cross platform almost unplayable making the pc player play without lag and the console player having a lot of lag. Capcom baning the mod was a way to not separate the community

At least Capcom is doing something. Nintendo had 3 console generations to fix their servers for Smash.

it must be great at ASW: just hire the guys that fixed your netcode and now we will have rollback with Strive (hopefully good)

Developers aren't "lazy". You try fixing Street Fighter's netcode for free. If Capcom cared, they would invest in it and that's that. There's no laziness involved and it's just insulting to call developers lazy when games are already tremendously costly.

Shame the game has been completely forgotten and it’s one of the nichest out there.

asbr 😢

I mean, Spooky does it for the east coast only, which is (a little) less convoluted than the west coast. He can run a GBFVS tournament just fine, but if you go and check WNF, it's a nightmare.

@@danaltamirano2546 That's because west coast internet is utter crap and even top tier rollback games like KI or TFH are a pain to play coast to coast. If you have Spectrum or Xfinity in New York you'll have stable 2-4f connections to East Canada's Bell or Mexico's Infinitum but fluctuating 6f+ with west coast's Frontier or Comcast.

If you watch DBFZ NLBC every week you'll see lag spikes, time-outs due to even larger lag spikes and whole match resets from de-syncs. Doesn't happen every week but it still happens maybe every other week. And when it does happen it nearly always happens more than once per event.

thank you. i feel like im going insane with everyone promoting parsec for fighting games. it feels awful. usually looks bad in order to have a better connection too.

I think you missed the explanation. The way Parsec is being used was by hosting it on a virtual machine. So he gave the example of having a virtual machine using parsec in the mid west area which means east and west players would connect to that machine and play. So basically the host is a virtual machine so that no one gets the latency advantage.

@@thec0r379 The graphic in the video is wrong. Because Parsec sends a stream to the players, your actual lag is determined by the round trip time, not the latency. In reality Parsec has 2x the lag that it's shown to have here.

@@Luuklin so someone can have better ping to server therefore having the better experience as its getting to them faster. Understandable. I just assumed it was better under virtual host then someone hosting from their actual PC.

translation: no

same

Uhhh, you mean Nintendo

@@kirbyc9042 Nintendo to legal department "What do you mean we can't send parsec a cease and desist? Really? Fine, send it to those project peppy folk. Not them either? Fine, just nuke the big house instead."

Capcom promote a parsec event what are you talking about

Ooh is fightcade on consoles?

@@janematthews9087 nah but it runs on pc, mac and linux

AKA third strike wonderland. Fun times.

heritage for the future gigachads: hey.

If you can get away with it, WHY BOTHER TRYING?

Everyone should know that it's doesn't matter to them. As long as they're rich netcoding is nothing but a simple issue to ignore

Fighting games are niche remember? The only people getting rich out of them is NRS.

With a box of scraps!

Well to be on both sides..as Sakurai said. He just wanted to make a party game..but it somehow turned into a competitive fighting game. So how would you make a better netcode or rollback to make it better without ruining the casual play? Even though I do agree nintendo's online should be better. Though I do play Ultimate way more then Melee.

@@GalaxiaKnightX how would having better netcode ruin the casual experience

@@happyburgerman9724 Honestly I don't know much about netcodes and rollback. I just play the game for fun whether online or offline

also first lol, not that anyone cares

Until some big corporation buys Discord and it becomes part of the botnet and have to pay more for these features.

This is going to be the make or break year for the pandemic. If vaccine works perfectly, everybody's back in biz. But if it doesn't (which is more likely), we'll have to wait 2 years at most

it won’t with that attitude

@JulianRock I already live on an island that wasn't affected by COVID. The only good thing that happened here in a while.

They are working on rollback if you haven’t noticed and they acknowledged rollback netcode as well

True

@TheMushroomXIII I think they said they Said they didn't know how to add rollback yet so maybe when they make dbfz2 they will add

@TheMushroomXIII which isn kinda bullshit. They not only retroactively added it to Ggxxac+R (best netcode ever btw) but are also using it on STRIVE (same animation style, so no excuse there). A generic version of it is what makes fightcade as a whole run, and zero of those game were meant to have any netplay at all. They probably don’t think it’s financially interesting to do it, rather than bein actually unable to do it.

@@PSNMyfoot Strive is being made with Rollback in mind, and +R is such an old game that the rollback devs can kind-of brute force the rollback into working since PC's these days are more powerful, and even then, they were working on the implementation for like 6+ months. Doing this with modern games is way harder and more time consuming since you have to serialize everything. It took a whole team of developers a little over a year to implement rollback into MKX for example. I can see why Bandai would see that as not a worthwhile investment. It would be way better for the players, but they would probably just make more money making adding another DLC character that everyone will buy regardless and make way more money. It's sad but that's what the situation is.

Glad you like them!

This video wasn't an advertisement or sponsored in anyway. We just like the technology and how it has helped esports communities.

@@Akshonesports jeez, thanks for clearing that up, guys, for a moment I thought you were trying to get me to use something.

@@Marisu_Prada it would be illegal to get sponsored and not say it.

Its even more sad that we have had a legitimate solution since like 2009 (GGPO, which is free to use, only cost is implementation). But unfortunately most Fighting games are made in Japan, Japan notorious for being ignorant to advances made in the west in terms of gaming at the downfall of its players. legit most western developed games(even fucking indie games like skullgirls and TFH) have working basically perfect netplay due to GGPO roll back, and fan communities as well as another major company(NRS) proved that implementation of GGPO in older games is possible(albeit a pain in the ass) and most definitely worthwhile, NRS did it for mortal combat X, and Meltyblood EFZ, Melee, BBCF all had community made mods or clients to run GGPO for the games. arcsys even implementing a community built version of Rollback into an older GG game (which is fucking great, good work arc sys) which made the sales of it spike, prooving to other JP devs that its worthwhile to do so. Im glad they are finally coming around, with Arcsys adding rollback to strive, and potentially adding it to older games like GBFV, BBCF (offically) and DBFZ, hopefully this gets other devs like Capcom, SNK and french bread to follow suit. I understand that technically its a difficult process its not as easy as copy and pasting the GGPO code into your game, especially games built on pre-existing engines, but its proven to be possible and work so fucking well that its a shame it doesn't happen.

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ITS MAHVEL BABY

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Hopefully we more companies try to provide better online support like you said. In addition to the tittles you mentioned, Project L from Riot Games has high expectations.

Don’t forget KOF 2K2UM, Garou, Samsho V Special, KOF’97, Last Blade II.

yes parsec can't be used on console just pc/mac

We wish this was a sponsored video, but its actually just something we made because of how important the tech has proven to helping keep the FGC running during a lockdown.

That's why I will never use it. I'm extremely paranoid about downloading suspect software

this videos a big fat fucking lie. parsec is worthless.

@@nezumiku6641 I mean, I've used it for other games and it's seemed to work just fine, so "worthless' seems a bit of a stretch. I never considered using it for specifically a fighting game before, but it seems fairly plausible to me.

@@Tomoka51 the context here is fighting games. i loved playing spelunky on it before the multiplayer officially came out. but spelunkys not a fighting game