The Only Ys Series Tier List That You'll Need

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The Only Ys Series Tier List That You'll Need

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An off the cuff discussion with myself on how I generally rank the Ys series.
Ys is the greatest JRPG series ever made and I want more people to play it.
I made an error saying Ys V wasn't related to Falcom. I got that confused with the Ps2 remake and also Ys 4's Tonkin house version. Falcom president Kondo did at least express some interest in revisiting and revising the scenario.
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This went all over the place, and I probably wasn't focused enough.
I wanted to keep this casual though. Mostly what I would consider mandatory and what I recommend people to play. I think I conveyed that.
I will try to be little more concise next time, and have more powerful points related to each game, but I was encouraged to keep it candid. If anything, I realize I might need to refresh myself on some of the games.
I would like to go deeper on the series. I wanted to get my feet wet with just an overall glance and ranking.
I could go on about the composers, musical analysis, and influences the music has had on me, but that'll be for another day.

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@rossdixonellis Жыл бұрын

How do YOU rank Ys series? Have you tried ANY of them out?

@chid255 5 ай бұрын

Great list! I started with Ys 7, and I loved it. I tried Memories of Celceta, got about 5 hours in but dropped it as it didn't hook me like 7 did, I plan on giving it another go soon though. This year I've been knocking a bunch of them out of the backlog, I gave the Master System of Ys 1 a shot, it was fun despite some glaring issues, that last dungeon was crazy! Oath of Felghana was next, and it was really good, one of my favorite PSP games. The boss fights were epic, and the story was quite enjoyable, Chester was a solidly written character. Just finished up with Ys 8 last week, and it didn't quite hit my expectations. Actually it really missed the mark as it's not only the best Ys game I've played, but one of my favorite JRPGs period. It changed my entire perception of the Ys series and made me a huge fan. I could've raised my expections 10 times and it still would've blown my mind haha. It's cliche to say it's the best, but there's a good reason for that, it really is a masterpiece. I'll probably get to Ark of Napishtim next!

@rossdixonellis 5 ай бұрын

I'mma have to try these other versions of Ys 1 eventually. I think I sold the PC engine version short in this video. Nice, Celceta has a great twist, I forget when game time wise exactly, but it stuck with me. I also liked discovering the rest of the world in that one. Yeah 8 is ridiculously good. Glad others have seen the light. Lol. Ark of Napishtim is very good. The art, setting, and music is so good. I think it's the first game after a long hiatus, first on psp. So, they definitely improved on the formula from it. Its one I've replayed before! Always nice to replay!

@Keranu 7 ай бұрын

S tier - Ys Books I & II (TGCD), Dawn of Ys A tier - Ys Eternal Complete B tier - Most Ys III versions C tier - Ys VI, Oath in Felghana D tier - Ys V F tier - Mask of the Sun

@Evilriku13 2 ай бұрын

kinda based, only that I would mix up the A and C tier of yours for my taste.

@Keranu 2 ай бұрын

@@Evilriku13 I should probably move Felghana into B tier. I guess I didn't want to put it on the same level as the original Ys III. I'm keeping VI on C because aside from the combat and graphics being rehauled, it was largely unmemorable for me.

@Evilriku13 2 ай бұрын

@@Keranu You think so? Have you listened to the music from Ys 6 alone seperatly from the game for example? One of the things that made Ys 6 memorable is not only it's tropical atmosphere, the Rehda folk (still wished Olha & Isha would have been more fleshed out overall, I do like their colour scheme otherwise and their VA's are charming, the ones from the PS2 version aka my prefered Ys 6 experience, also because it's the only game that references Xandria as a place in the intro because of Terra which afaik no other Ys game does), but also the plotline because that one ends the technically 6 game long builtup of the Eldeen race with Ernst showing that one can become an Eldeen, so Eldeel "I'm the last of my kind, I have to make up for it" plan was just his mind creeping on him. Also cool how Galba-Roa, the technically pre final boss, is basically what Galbalan from Ys 3 was going to be. I also like that you can technically do some places out of order in Ys 6 with the risk of getting crushed hard by whatever enemies lurk around, like doing the Limewater Cave where you could get the galba shield & galba armor if you're daring, which does help for quite some time ingame like the Grana-Valis Mountain cuz you could get to that area around level 20 iirc. Galba-Shield also buffs your attack so a double neat bonus and the Galba armor, while having high defenses, does inflict poison on Adol but it's kinda slow so you can use that armor to beat some bosses before you'd die from the poison, plus visually they both look cool, which sadly is only a Ys 6 PS2 thing as that version visually changes every equip you put on Adol!

@Keranu 2 ай бұрын

@@Evilriku13 It's fine, the music had that JDK flavor to it, something even the newer Ys games seem to retain. It just never hit me the way Ys I - IV did. I'll have to give it a listen on KZfaq. The best part of Ys VI for me were the boss fights. The series never lets down on intense bosses. The thing about Ys I, II, and Dawn I think I valued most was the adventure. Every dungeon, map screen, and to some extent, towns, looked different from the previous. It never felt like being stuck in the same location, adventure always in the grasp of the player's hands. This aspect was especially impressive for it's time when games largely reused tile graphics. Maybe I'll get around to replaying VI -- if I do it will hopefully be a translation of the original PC version with pre-rendered Adol. Currently I'm booked playing Sierra On-Line games for the rest of the year -- I'm close to finishing Larry 7!

@JRPJuju Ай бұрын

Ys 1 is the only one I’ve played so far and I would’ve liked it so much more had that final dungeon not been so atrocious

@rossdixonellis Ай бұрын

Old games just had esoteric solutions back then. Vague clues, back tracking, etc. Also the mirror portal room could get confusing, lol. Old game BS, I recall trying to solve it and then just looking up after I got stuck. I still love it, Try out the second game, I think its a little more straight forward and about the same length. It just gets better. They all get better with regards to their own respective engines and systems!

@JRPJuju Ай бұрын

@rossdixonellis Don't get me wrong, I figured it out, but it was tons of walking around aimlessly with that mask on, and clicking on walls with the hammer, not to mention the ludicrous amount of backtracking. All in all, still a fun game (haven't beaten Dark Fact yet though, but ill get to it soon enough)

@Evilriku13 2 ай бұрын

I don't get it. You say that one of the weaknesses Dawn of Ys has is being grindy when you basically do that in EVERY Ys game, since Ys 1, but in small doses, JUST LIKE IN DAWN OF YS. I also would say it's the best of the Bump Combat games not only because of the dynamic bosses but also because, let's face it, for the balancing. Ys 1 balancing? Sure, get to either max level 10 before entering the final dungeon and have so many bosses to come with no EXP to gain from, surely that is healthy gamedesign. Heck, even Ys Book 1 & 2 for TGCD/PCE does this better with Ys 1 and the Dark Fact fight, but sadly, like all Ys 2 versions, falls flat during the Solomon Shrine because Solomon Shrine was never really reestablished from it's ""puzzles"", or rather it's layout nor it's final boss which is an even faulty-er "grind to keep up" flaw of the sequel. Also the Ys 1 remake, the most prominent one aka Chronicles I think it's called has the still kept Windows 98 engine bug in it where Dark Fact shoots twice as fast projectiles, as games back then their framerate was bound to the graphic card. Don't see why Geis (pronounced guys) is supposedly edgy too in compare to being a lone wolf type. The PS2 version of Ys 6 and PSP version are identicial, the windows version was the one being all 2D sprites with, depending on whom you ask, "better gameplay" as some gameplay differences exist between the versions. Ernst was built up, since this was the first three swords engine game, as the Dark Fact for this game and basically him ending what was basically built up since Ys 1 with the Eldeen plotline, which is also shown in the music track that plays when you fight Ernst which has some parallels with the Dark Fact final boss tune from Ys 1.

@rossdixonellis 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment! You bring up good points! On Geis's pronunciation, apparently in Japanese he's called ガッシュ GASH! Which is a pretty awesome name! I like the character. He's critical, headstrong, "my way or highway" sorta guy. I like that he's edgy, too edgy is even better! Sort of the anti-adol too. I guess on the topic of grinding. Yeah, you grind a little every game. The process is nearly the same. Maybe I just took me hitting fast forward as getting "bored with the grind" for a reason to knock it down to B. Maybe the temptation to hit speed up is more saying something about me than Dawn of Ys. It's got some excellent music, art, the voiceover stuff is fun although mixed a little crappily. I play a few tunes from Dawn of ys specifically, Walking the Path of Legend, A Great Ordeal (which sounds very similar to Yngwie Malmsteen's Far Beyond the sun) I should give this version of Ys more respect on the music alone. Then again I've talked to people who got frustrated with grinding special abilities in Ys Seven while I thought that had pretty good pacing! But I didn't really "grind grind" in that one let alone try to 100% it.

@Keranu 2 ай бұрын

The only part of Dawn of Ys that really required grinding was the boss kidnapping Timmy in the ice cave. That was the worst part of the entire game. I never minded grinding in the early Ys games, the bump attack made leveling up a less arduous process from other RPGs. For some reason though now that I think about it, grinding seemed more fun in I & II (TGCD) than Dawn, albeit more time consuming.

@rossdixonellis 2 ай бұрын

A real funny thing that happens in Dawn is when the companion kill steals and snags that XP from you. Took a look back at my streams of Dawn of Ys and the idle HP recovery seemed A LOT slower than other games. Maybe I'm wrong but the pc engine ys 1 didn't take as long in hp recovery. It's still a very fun game though. I love the style, it's beautifully made. There's a saturation in the color of those games that just fill me with joy. I think when it comes down to the three styles of Ys games I still gotta put Ys1 chronicles at the top for bump style, Oath for that sword style. And 8 for the companion style. The real answer is play everything and enjoy everything but my elevator pitch is those three. I can't wait for Ys X Nordics...

@Keranu 2 ай бұрын

@@rossdixonellis I too have always thought HP refills were slower in Dawn of Ys.

@Evilriku13 2 ай бұрын

@@rossdixonellis Oh was it "Gash"? I assumed it was pronounced like rise/rice just with a G, similiar to Ys sounding like Geese without an G or ease. Wouldn't call him an Anti-Adol cuz they do have some stuff in common, just their execution in what they have in common is different I'd say. I mean I get the point on using speed ups in games, I'm frequently faulty on that too due to my experience in the early 2000s when getting to know emulators. Yeah the soundmixing is.. a thing in Dawn of Ys, and best voice work is provided by G(a)ruda who is voiced by the one and only Lawrence Simpson aka MasakoX who is part of TeamFourStar's Dragon Ball Z Abridged. Yeah the music in Dawn of Ys is very solid, and basically my 2nd favorite in the series overall with Ys 6 taking the cake, and I really really dislike what Memories of Celceta did by not only removing ALOT of tracks from Dawn of Ys but also arranging alot of them really.. not to my liking xD