Imo it seems too convoluted.

Interesting, but a little bit all over the place. I wouldn’t have wanted to see Sarah die.

@@Former_Employee Yeah, I agree sounds like this movie could have been two movies. But it wouldn't be good without Cameron writing it.

I’ve read the script (you can find it online) and it’s REALLY bad. There’s a few interesting ideas, but the execution and dialogue is utterly atrocious for the most part. Anyone who says it’s better either hasn’t read it or has brain damage.

It does, but what happens? They save the world again and there’s no arc for the characters other than maybe John. What we got was infinitely worse: “talk to the hand”

Lance henrikson was supposed to be the terminator in the original. So Cameron basically got that idea in the second film and it was awesome

Many years ago, I saw a documentary on the making of T2. James Cameron said Robert Patrick reminded him of a cat. Very alert. Analyzing his surroundings. He said the way Robert Patrick moves is very smooth and fluid. He also compared the Arnold model to a tank while the T-1000 is like a Porsche.

@@39Hundred Patrick was much more frightening when I saw this as a kid!

Patrick is awesome, no other actor could have given such a breathtaking performance ! Pun intended, since he managed to run after Connor's Honda XR and not only keep pace with it as intended, but at first even catching up to it easily (that would've made for an awful short flick) and forcing himself to slow down in later takes, all while restraining his breathing through his nostrils alone, keeping a straight and emotion-free face from start to end !! This never ceazes to blow my mind each time I rewatch this sequence...

Just glad they didnt go with Billy Idol lol

6 year old me was so conflicted over how it was such total bad assery AND absolute nightmare fuel at the same time

@@House_of_Data Literally awesome to see as a kid in the early 90's

@@albundy7794 Its a good thing to start a scifi film with action to engage the audience right from start like George Lucas did in Star Wars. It worked didn't it?

Hell, I think we all agree that those few minutes continue to be better than a huge number of movies that have been released since then.

@@apphappy3796 It's called a "hook" and it's one of the first things they will teach in any good literature/writing class.

Edward Furlong dropped the ball hard and I feel if he was cast he would've been in a better spot today. Fucking hell

@@shaise agreed!!! while Nick Stahl did an alright job with the material he worked with, he wasn't as good as Edward Furlong

Eh. I kinda like the concept that Skynet was a virus that became self aware after it infected, well, Skynet. It kinda makes the whole 'humans are my enemy' thing more believable, since human would have been trying to 'kill' it while it was in virus form.

I think they should have just rebooted the movie essentially for T3. They prevented Skynet from winning, but it only pushed back AI going bad. John Connor isn't essential as the future had been changed. They'd need to make big changes so it's not a copy of T1 or T2, no easy task. The Terminator/Terminators should feel similar but different as they weren't created by skynet. John and Sarah Connor aren't important. Because the time line has been changed the Terminator doesn't even know who they are.

Geez pipol should look up on Furlongs trajectory in the bad crowd!

Yeah, the lesson is just do more research. Learn who Glen Rogers is

@@leewright1 aronold said draw me like your French girls 😂

I wonder how people would react as OJ being the terminator now

​@@Hallowpool193 OJ being in the Naked Gun movies or Towering Inferno doesn't affect my opinion on them.

Simpson was cast as The Terminator before we cast him. That is 100% NOT TRUE. And I should know," Hurd tweeted Thursday, before confirming that Lance Henriksen was formally considered for the part. "Jim and I never ever considered O.J. Not even for a nanosecond."

i never played that, but I saw a playthrough of it and I must say you are absolutely right.

Agree! This is the T3 we have been waiting for since T2 :)

Oh yeah, Terminator 3: Resistance game. I like that game!

I need to go back and play it.

A very decent game. Highly enjoyable

I never got why people want these films to end with sending Kyle back. We know exactly what happens. Why have the franchise build up to that point. It's a anti climatic. I think the franchise had the perfect ending with T2.

@@user-hz5lt7ki2o because what I described is a complete trilogy with a full arc beginning, middle, end. Anything else beyond that is welcomed for sure just like any other franchise.

⁠​⁠@@yourlocalnemesisllcbut why do we need a trilogy? For the sake of having a trilogy? We haven’t had a good T movie since 1991 and everyone thinks it’s easy to make 3. I bet the makers of T3 - Dark Fate would tell you they had full arcs set up for trilogies, doesn’t mean it’s quality. It’s so hard to execute. All those films are full of filler trying to set up future films rather than simply make a great film. Look at the failed attempts at trilogies over passed decade. I mean Terminator has 4! Why not just make a stand alone great movie. Why can’t we do Terminator without forcing a trilogy…

@@user-hz5lt7ki2o you’re saying what I’m saying like I’m speaking against you lol. The franchise peaked at T2 yes. I’m satisfied with 1 & 2. What I’m saying is if there was a 3rd good movie that was MY take on what could have been not what should be. Turn off the friendly fire I’m a human not a machine lol

@@user-hz5lt7ki2obecause they need everything tied with a bow.

I imagined that for a hard moment. Nah.

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Sophia Steward wrote Terminator and Matrix so a lot of this video is misinformation. Don’t believe me look it up

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Who's Gale Anne Heard? Never heard of her

@@thesupervisor3270 no, her story is made up, look it up you fool

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Yeah, alternative ending of 2 is canon for me.

Great Choice.

Same here! ​@@deepflare1028

@@deepflare1028the alternate ending was too bright & sunny, figuratively speaking. Cameron was right; it didn’t fit.

3rd, and salvation are worth watching as is the tv show

Cameron probably just said Arnie looks like a terminator lets get him lol 😆

Arnold will always be the original Terminator........

@@Slim1423 hes the design of a t-800 model

@unclebobconner1417 I was referring to Arnold as the main character in the Terminator movie series, not referring to his Terminator model number. I always wonder was Arnold's Terminator character based on a human, or did Skynet just randomly select his Terminator model to send back in time?

@@Slim1423 well as far as I know the endos were all the same but when they were disguised as humans they looked different so I'm guessing it was just a random selection that it was armies model they chose to do the job maybe because he looked the most real human you know most convincing or they thought he looked the strongest model they had but this is just me guessing but it was the same model in the terminator & T3 so if the models were different why did they choose the same model 3 times in a row doesn't make sense unless he just looked the best or they actually are all supposed to look the same it's a bit confusing however John Connor did say in T3 did they all come of an assembly line because he looked the same as in T2 he thought it actually was the same terminator as T2 but was a different model just same design

Took him long enough. On the DVD commentary he was laughing about it all specially how he treated the T-X which was honestly one of the more interesting terminators since it was built to have emotions (it was specifically designed for long term infiltration missions). And that's not counting the interviews which he called the Terminator movies "silly kids movies".,.

i gotta say i admire the guy for at least trying to not trying to copy cameron

Yeah, T3 is an entertaining movie by itself, but tonally off compared to the first 2. For me, the Terminator story is 1-Salvation and I feel that Salvation got the correct tone back.

@@LordofMovies91 not completely. Compare the future scenes in 1 and 2. With the future in salvation. The resistance is too well equipped and supplied in salvation. 1 and 2, showed people desperately struggling to survive, eating rats and using salvaged vehicles and makeshift equipment. In salvation they somehow have an air force and working submarine. The resistance wouldn't have had any of that. Subs require regular intensive maintenance to maintain their stealth capabilities(as in spending time in drydock maintenance) and also need to be resupplied with food and water every 6 months. And air force is silly. Helicopters I can see but every satellite that's left would be owned by skynet the minute it saw anything resembling an airstrip it would hit it with an (possibly nuclear) airstrike. And that doesn't count the fuel and maintenance needed to keep planes in the air. They might be able to steal fuel but the factories making parts for those A-10s would be long gone. Any air power they had would be a dwindling and ungodly precious resource. Honestly the Terminator video game. (I think it's called resistance) Got things better than salvation did.

Talk to da hand.

If you read an interview with Edward Furlong, he was incapable of doing acting at that time do to his addiction issues.

​@@themobseatyes of course.

Hence the “they should’ve gotten him into rehab” part of his comment…

@@30AndHatingIt Do you know how long rehab can take? Do you know what the failure rate of rehab is?

Yeah at the very least they should have tried to find someone that at least looked kind of like him.

T2 is still the best, whatever comes after it are just fever dreams.

I know, WTF is that even from??

@@johnpinneriv9958 I'm pretty sure this must've been after he'd killed two people and he was referencing the killings. Due to double jeopardy laws in the US, once he was found guilty he knew he'd gotten away with murder and could do things like this. O.J. even wrote a book called "I didn't do it, but if I did, here's how I would've done it" or something like that. Chris Rock had previously done a skit where OJ wrote such a book before OJ actually wrote that book, so I get the titles mixed up between the parody and the real one.

It did age well given that OJ never killed anyone

​@johnpinneriv9958 it's from an interview where he pranks the interviewer by pretending to stab her, this was after the court hearings

"Man, I’m going to tell you, that is some bad luck when the one guy who would’ve died for you kills you"

Agreed

I confess I’ve only watched the first three movies for the first time last week. It’s a mind-bending series, and I feel like it all made sense by the end of T2. The third one just muddled it for me, and I’ve yet to even try the fourth or fifth ones.

​@@joshslater2426 ignore the haters and watch Salvation. Its flawed but the action setpieces are outstanding. Avoid Genisys though😅

Agree.

@@mark-xc7oq "He'll Live"

My thoughts exactly.

Loved that show

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It's shit. No one liked it except a small group of hard-core fans. Why can't dorks understand this? You liking something bad doesn't make it good

100%

Agreed

That was one of the biggest backstabs of all time, screwing Cameron out of ownership and millions of dollars. Terminator was Cameron's baby. He pored his heart and soul into that franchise and wanted to be an owner and writer for it more than anything. You don't just "let go of your ego" for this one. Just try to put yourself in Cameron's shoes.

I'm glad Cameron didn't go through with it bc of the fact he didn't want to go through with someone else's script which I agree. It wouldn't have been good imo.

Didn't Cameron postpone making T3 in favour of directing Titantic? Kinda has himself to blame. If he cared so much about the franchise, he should have stuck to his original plan of making T3 with his script before moving on

Didn't let his ego get in the way of making a shitty Terminator sequel later on, though.

Most longest? I'm not proud of your English. Skynet needs to go to the past and teach you how to read.😁

@@ericchilders9234 ever thought that English isn't everybody's first language?

​@@Maze383Americans never do. He was probably shoving a Cool Ranch Oreo in his mouth while he typed that

Idk about all that but Sophia Steward wrote Terminator and Matrix. Don’t believe me look it up

@PumpkinJack88 ... you say "cgi"... did you really mean the special effects? Most of the effects were what are now called "practical effects" - that is actual models, and so on. I think the only computer effects were the screens we see, where the robot picks possible responses from a list of choices. If you want to replace the practical effects with CGI effects, I couldn't disagree more. Those practical effects were done extremely well. There are other films, that had practical effects re-done to use CGI, decades ago, and the CGI has aged badly. Leave it as it is, please

@@geoswan4984 the part with the knife and eye in the mirror is really mostly the part I would retouch.

@@geoswan4984Stan Winston !!!!!

@@PumpkinJack88that scene alone shows the brilliant effort of Stan Winston and his team . Mad. Respect

​@@PumpkinJack88No! This is a fantastic B movie ! No CGI. Stan Winston🙏

Imo t2 is alot worse that t1, not that it’s a bad movie but I think it’s impossible to surpass t1

​ @@lazerfrogstudios I don't want to bust in your bubble. Although Terminator 1 & 2 are the best, the third one is alright, fourth is ok, and the rest such as Genisys and Dark Fate aren't that good. Although the second Terminator is way better than the first one. Just saying.

@@meathead6155 imo the characters are worse, the plot is contrived, basically the same genreal plot other than like character changes, the child acting is really not that good (no offence to the kid actor, child actors are never THAT good) ultimately is just a rehash of the first one instead of focusing on the obvious sequel that would be what salivation turned out to be.

Thanks!

I liked Salvation. It was better than t3 at least

Worthington might be a good guy but one thing he has not, and thats charisma.

Thats so true. He seemed more like a grown up Nick.

Worthington was offered the Duke part in GI Joe but declined it. That went to Chaning Tatum.

@@DavidLLambertmobile Sam would've been better.

I've thought about reading them.

@@tyrannozilla not to be 'that guy' and start plugging stuff, but I have the first one as an audio book on my channel. 'Rising Storm' and 'Future War' will follow.

@@TeachReads Cool.

I'll have to look into those

@@RisingUnderdog S.M. Stirling is the author of all three. There is some retconning (but that’s what you get with multiple timelines!) but the plot is sound. It picks up just after the events of T2 and then skips forward, mostly following Sarah and John (who is now 18). Skynet still somehow exists in the future, and has once again sent something back to change the past… The first book is good, but pretty long. The audio book version comes in at about 21 hours.

If he didn't kill everyone, and it was about the symbol, that would have been dope imo

What. Source?

@@thebluemangoes8839How can they still win the war if both John is dead and the Replacement is also evil?😮

@davidw.2791 nah im saying if Marcus wasnt evil

@@thebluemangoes8839 Oh yeah you’re right!

badass? They watered down Terminator for Teens. They don't even play the Terminator theme lol. It's trying so hard not to be a Terminator film. It's just a cash grab set up film for a trilogy that never happened.

RIP Anton

Yes, a decent film.

Better than genisys that's for sure

Love that idea

Haha

Totally agree ...I loved the Sarah Connor chronicles....it was better than T3 ,Genysis or the vile Dark Fate

​@@ScotsGalI agree 👍

I won't say awesome but better than what we got.

@@markcarpenter6020 true enough

A lot of interesting ideas and had a lot of potential

Oh, good for you!

@@stealthmode1303Agree, shame that it carried on with Genisys (my vote for the worst of the series) But honestly I enjoyed Dark Fate. The only part I would have taken out was the T-800 that killed Conner ended up in a family and had a business that sells curtains or something… wtf was all that about, so weird. Everything else I liked. Terminator 3… take out the odd silly humour part, better movie. Salvation… really enjoyed it. Genisys… just awful throughout. Dark Fate… it’s no Salvation but better than T3 and Genisys.

Drapes lol

It at least attempted to not be a retread of T2, which every other movie was. I think it had some bold ideas, but ultimately just did not work at all for me (and a lot of other people).

Thnx!

😁good joke

I remember going to the Terminator ride. Fun ride.

Yeah, maybe that would have kept her relevant or at least make her more focused on her carrer instead of falling to her inner demons.... or it could have speed them up, guess wellynever know

You own the arnold accent no doubt, get down

He would be paralyzed in a wheelchair.

After being hit by both an Assault rifle and an Automatic shotgun at point blank range? I doubt that..

Thanks!

Yeah they did a really bad job. I see why Cameron didn't want them to own the rights.

What do you mean? It DID end with T2 with old Sarah playing with her granddaughter on the playground.

@@WillNelson73 Yes that was the true ending of the franchise

​@@WillNelson73I hate this ending, it looks and feels like a scene out of a star trek next geneneration episode.

Sarah Connor Chronicles was its worthy successor.

No. TSCC was a great show and Resistance was an awesome game. Salvation was an interesting idea too.

💯 don’t be afraid

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See I don't understand why we need a trilogy. That's a huge problem with T3 - Dark Fate. Every sequel after T2 tried to kick of a trilogy and we got set up films. T1 & T2 told complete stories. This franchise was never about trilogies. Look how many times Hollywood has tired to manufacture a trilogy and it's turned into a disaster. Hell, Terminator has done it 4 x now! Just give us one great future war movie. Make it Terminator meets the opening to Saving Private Ryan. 2hour plus war movie set in Cameron's future. If it's successful they can always expand. I think trying to create a 3 movie arc has really helped destroy this franchise. Salvation basically ends with John saying "tune in next week for the next adventure" .

Cool

I always really like that as well.

yeah he was considering running for Gov in the 2002 election, but b/c of threat of being sued for T3 he delayed that till the recall election with Gray Davis.

If I remember correctly, the showrunner said at comic con that they had stories for 4 seasons. Interesting that Cameron wanted to do the third one with Fox and they aired the tv series. And the showrunner was involved in Terminator: Dark Fate. He was one of the writers.

@@Christian39521 I've heard about that, and that details about seasons 3 and 4 haven't been revealed. I'd also argue that since the showrunner was involved with Dark Fate, his script probably got shredded during production, and that's how we ended up with that abomination.

I didn't see the finale as a cliffhanger, but as a full circle back (actually forward) to the human origin of Cameron. Had the series continued into a third season, it would've been rebooted into a completely different storyline, an apocalyptic wartime romance between John and Cameron (in human form). Frankly, it's kind of hard to picture how the show could've worked without Sarah Connor, as John's season 2 love affair with Kacy was pretty cringe and so much of Cameron's appeal was rooted in her robotic nature.

@@QuicksilverSG if I remember correctly, the showrunner said that it acts as a series finale and as a season finale in case they didn't get renew. He mentioned it in the commentary. Thomas Deker and Summer Glau have given hints of what could've happen in season 3. I remember in the old days of the IMDB message boards, there were rumors of what would've happen in seasons 3 and 4.

@@QuicksilverSG You do make a valid point with the finale. The way it ended, you could easily leave it ambiguous as to what would happen next. At the time, however, it was meant to lead into a third season. I do agree that Cameron's robotic nature is what made her unique, as well as some moments when her "humanity" kicks in (the episode where her memory glitches and she acts more like human is a masterpiece). Summer Glau's performance was truly one of the best I've ever seen, right up there with Lena Headey's portrayal of Sarah. Still, I would've trusted the writers at the time to deliver something interesting in season 3 and beyond, but we'll never know.

I'm going to disagree with that. It makes T2 absolutely feel like the conclusion as Rise of the Machines does too many things wrong. For one, a completely weak and sniveling John Connor was an awful idea and the digital effects were mostly pretty bad. The script still needed a lot of work too.

Terminator vs Matrix makes more sense.

For sure!

There are exceptions. Marvel gave us like a dozen good films, toy story, etc

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When editing out breathing turns into having a break after each sentence.

@@Niftified thats completely fair. I did not view it that way. I do appreciate you bringing this insight to me

Probably two reasons behind it: she played Sarah, not John and also it was Linda from 2000s vs Linda from 2018

Makes her involvement in Dark Fate all the more understandable, she had as much hate for John as the writers did. I wonder how much of her dialogue was just unscripted musings she had on set.

Me too 😄

WAY better

That script leaked online years ago. I thought it was pretty good! Certainly a lot more faithful to the game.

Me too 😁

I know.

As bad as Dark Fate was it did drop the idea of an interesting take on the time traveling aspect. Since Skynet basically wiped itself out by killing Jon Conner and setting up a new future with another machine entity; then it releases for itself to survive it needs Conner. To make sure it survives Skynet sends another Terminator to stop Jon from being killed but at the same time there is Skynet vs the AI from Dark Fate both trying to keep its timeline intact, and we have Terminator vs Terminator. This could also introduce, and resolve, the alternative timeline from the 2nd season ender of The Sarah Conner Chronicles.

They could also make a prequel to T1 about war with machines. They could also go with something like Terminator:Resistance. So what they did? A silly parody of T2 with most lazy script possible. Worst decision in the history of movie sequels.

Might start a podcast 🤫

@@Bulletsandblockbusters MUSIC TO MY EARS I AM ALL IN