Didnt agree with the Union on this one. Trapped him in the past for that long, hes no longer Union. More so for being pricks about it.

Dude was literally stranded for 10 entire years. It was an inconvenient afternoon for Ed, it was an entire 6th-10th of Gordon's life span.

2:00 Gordon brings up a good point, before they went back in time the crew accessed the history of Gordon and couldn't identify any significant catastrophic changes in their time

Gordon should have been like, to every time they cited the union: "technically? The union does not exist yet. I am not bound by laws to a system that does not exist."

Our current understanding of temporal physics suggest, that this version of Gordon's existence is still valid, even after Ed and Kelly go back to an even earlier point to get him. This version of Gordon had an impact on history, however small or big that may be, after he chose to disregard Union laws. It became a branched timeline, that played out resulting in a new alternative reality.

Gordon deserves his happy ending. unlike those two didn't work out for them.

has anyone else noticed the Hypocrisy in there statement they have changed the time line before and im not refering to past kelly but the black market antic dealer from the future after all who knows how many things they've changed by changing the orvilles fate

This scene angered me He murdered his best friends children. They will never exsist. Its worse than murder. Nobody will ever know about them.

I think if the show continues, there ought to be a time remnant episode, where this Gordon sees his world collapse and finds a way back to the future to take revenge.

Ed and Kelly were total hypocrites. If they were in Gordon’s position, they would have done the exact same thing. The writing was off. They were not supportive to Gordon and clearly aren’t his friends.

0:19 Gordon stand up for him self. Yeah this episode made me sad

Who’d have thought the guy who made Family Guy would make a show where you think about morals

Doubt it will happen now, but a season 4 episode where this Gordon threatens Ed’s daughter as revenge could be cool wrath of khan retribution

If him coming back in time created a DIVERGENT timeline, then no harm, no foul to the this particular Orville's timeline. Sort of like Terminator, the fact Skynet Sent back a terminator to kill John Connor, means it already failed, because success would mean Skynet would NEVER have a reason to send it back in the first place.

I like the reference that killing animals is murder in a world where food is unlimited due to the invention of materials synthesizers

They end up just murdering his future children, erasing them and a happy Gordon from existence, just to alter a timeline that wouldn’t have changed much in the first place. This makes me hate these characters so much I don’t want to watch the show

This was a great episode! Shame that Orville hasn't been renewed. Big shame.

if dying for the timeline is what he was suppose to do than how about this, he goes back if the captain kills the first officer right then, go to the kitchen and get a knife and stab her in the heart. if dying to protect the timeline is the right thing to do than let her die to protect it as well.

Ed is all high in mighty about not changing the timeline as long as it didn't affect his timeline. Ed in his actions led to a timeline that started a war that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands in the Kylon war. Ed is supposed to be dead in the unaltered timeline, but he wasn't strong enough to accept his destiny and destroyed the destinies of millions.

He was marooned long enough, he deserved his happiness.

Yeah i never liked this Episode what he said was facts nothing happened they dont even know what real damage he did cause it was that small of a change they basically killed a family to protect this so called "wrong" in the timeline especially because of some stupid law....

This one was incredibly hard because they both had a point.

As much as people hate on the orville crews decision, i think thats what makes the show great. It generates those kinds of discussion, and we dont even need to agree with the decision they made. When was the last time a star trek left anyone arguing about anything except whether it's bad or good.

I always thought Gordon was the same as Fry Phillips from Futurama.

Captain Benjamin Sisko (aka Gabriel Bell) would have a few things to say about this.

So in the Orville they want the humans in the future to be complacent and robotic in emotions, that is terrible

Some big balls on kelly... Didn't Cali interfere interfere in the history of a race. The ended up Is warshipping her as a god? Hypocritical😆

It was kinda cruel what they did. They erased his timeline. They went back in time to when he was following union protocol and zero contact with anyone. So when they rescued him again the timeline of his wife and child ceased to exist

They should have given him a big hug, wished him luck, then do what they did anyway. Then he wouldn't have been terrified and distraught over losing his family, and then would have never known anyway.

Interesting thing about this scene. Time travel is a tricky thing assuming your actions have consequences then Gordon's every action in the past is like setting of a nuke. Deviating and unpredictable. The thing is every one of us would do what he did it is human nature. The Orville should have never come late if they could have helped it. And they should have never used the arinov Device in the first place.

This is by far my favorite episode of The Orville. The ending was a real gut punch but it was still a great story. Time travel is one of the oldest plot devices there is but it was portrayed here perfectly and in a fresh and gripping way. My only complaint with this entire episode is the way Gordon acted at the end. I know they ended up brining him back before he met his wife or had a family but he'd already been in love with her from the iPhone episode, he should have been a lot more effected by what they told him upon his return even if, for him, it never happened. He just brushed it off much too cavalierly I thought.

They should have went back in time without telling him, just go back to the moment he was stranded

01:50 Malloy... do you even know what responsibilities are?

Definitely one of their better episodes.

They bend the rules of “time” to protect the ship, but not for this. Super hypocritical

They were terrible people in this episode

I would be willing to bet that the union also has laws regarding time frames of service and spending 10 years outside of their jurisdiction likely declared dead anyway probably frees him from his oath. Also I just think this is a really bad depiction of time travel anyway and only exists for drama.

Tbh I understand that 10 years are rough. What I found creepy that Gordon went after the one woman he knew and messed with her life for his own good. Thats what I find a bit off here.

The worst thing out of this is when he asked "should I have died?" and they answered "yes". They said that so fast without thinking but they want him to return with them.

1:34 in is where he won me over because it's one thing to be trapped by yourself but to be on a planet where I could communicate and have a life? Friends? Happiness?

They should not have interfered and just went back to a different timeline to retrieve him.

Yeah, screw the law

Time travel is hardest thing you can do, you need two harts to do it…

This was Orville’s “Tuvix” moment. “Screw it, I want my crewman back, we’re wrecking it all!”

Honestly they're all in the wrong. That machine should never even exist. If they're afraid of messing with time they shouldn't have done it to begin with.

Such a good episode

The real problem is they think they can not interfere. Taking him back is interference cutting off certain possibilities, don't take him back, same thing. Once he was left 10 years in the past, nothing was ever going to be the same. The only view that works at that point is the change is already integrated into the timeline unless you have a City of the Edge situation where certain people are actually temporally shielded from any change, then their memories can at least in theory be used as a guide. You can't "fix" a timeline because The Timeline is not alterable.

Its such a hard episode. Theyre both right.

Morally gray episode. Perfect modern Star Trek ❤

I would have told them to leave

Them correcting.the time travel could cause more harm than goid. As he stated him being there could be a fixed point in time that wasnent to happen.vamd their playing god by fixing it

You recorded this with your camera?

This is like when that Time Cop got stuck in the Past on Voyager. Wasn't he lost for 30 years??

What pissed me off the most is that they went back in time to get him.. they grabbed him before he met his wife and children.. so the children never existed wouldn't you clarify that as murder.. they should have just left them alone he had a good life a good family.. it's pretty obviously that he did not screw up the timeline

If you have the ability to go back in time, why didn't they come back at the exact moment he arrived? Let me guess some BS prevents this, so this story can happen.

I would’ve put them in the same situation.

Can I say, I don't think the counter of saying "How about when Kelly became a religion?" Is the best argument because due to her existence, the entirety of their civilization continued to progress, and if it wasn't gonna be Kelly. It could have been someone who we don't know..to be so much worst.

My favorite episode of The Orville ever. Also one of my favorite episodes of TV ever.

Future plot! Gordon finds out with an emergency alternative temporal research action for an upcoming crisis which has a controversial resolution! He manipulates the situation where he can change the timeline back; offering doomsday dimensional repercussions if they should try to reverse it, or retrieve him from it! This will be his personal goodbye, unless they need an almost as talented look alike descendant they can get in a later time, or their own time!

I find it kind of hypocritical that the union messes with technology that can cause time travel yet they have all these laws about not messing with time. It’s a paradox. It ends up in the wrong hands or even the right hands you get something like what happened with Kelly. And all she did was not go out on a second date with Ed. Essentially this technology shouldn’t exist at all. Gordon simply played the hand he was dealt and Kelly and Ed were telling him to die or to not exist. Maybe he had a winning hand and they gave him a new one mid game. How do you tell someone who does good and has a good and loving life not to exist because of something you can’t say for certain.

wait, isn't this just the plot of somewhere in time?

In short time travel is something nobody should mess with PERIOD. This argument wouldn't be happening period if the tech didn't exist. Any tech that allows humanity to play God is more harmful to us than any good it could theoretically do. How far does progress have to go before someone should pull the breaks? Do we maintain the status quo? Progress full speed ahead to our own destruction? or do we find a balance and control what should and shouldn't be advanced?

I'm glad to see people calling the bs of this episode out. The hypocrisy of Ed and Kelly are off the scale. Kelly contaminated a society and was worshipped. Ed changed time by not letting his crew/ship be destroyed in that storm that the time traveler saved them from. None of them should exist but here they are. So Gordon not only loses his family he regresses as a character overall. Trash writing.

Ed and Kelly are wrong here

I haven’t seen this show, so maybe there’s an explanation. Why didn’t they go back to the point he was first lost? From a physics perspective this doesn’t make sense. And, his argument is correct. How is it that they exist in the future if his error was so great? The order of events creates the possibility where he traveling to the past was a part of the creation of the Union all along. I know this show is exploring things, but it is definitely using comic book physics. It’s like when Magneto lifts up things or even levitates. For one, Magnetism doesn’t interact with gravity. Define not at any of the scales of energy that magneto presents. For two, using that scale of magnetic force on objects would induct massive currents in the metales. Three, Newtons laws still apply. Magneto needs an opposing force for the lifting force being exerted on the metals he is manipulating. It’s either going through his body and into the ground (because, again, magnetism doesn’t interact with gravity), or it’s being exerted between two metals, one of them stationary against the ground (in which case, again, huge currents are induced in the metals, which would probably melt them). The point here is that the physics is really complex but kinda straightforward once you sort it out, and you can’t really just wave a writers pen to create a problem in physics. The moment the person travels back in time, that event is now a part of the past. So, Gordon’s argument is correct.

How can Ed now demand of his best friend that he would make his family disappear when he himself is the father of Anaya?🤔"Can anyone give a sensible answer to this ?

People throwing out "while our understanding of time travel means this" when they literally in the scene say that nobody really understands time travel and that for their world and narrative its malleable. What Gordon says is meant to be addressing our logic and the captain clarifies that in the world of the Orville, its not how it works.

This was a great show look at the character development such a great captain should i have died mercer captain and friend says yes you should have..

If the union has laws of time travel, shouldn’t they have the power of time travel if they don’t have the power do so every law they have is theoretical shouldn’t be taken seriously

The audio in this is abysmal. 🙁

What is this? Some kind of lesson about. Life and time and human nature and spirit? In a _Seth MacFarlane_ show? 😒 Something is suspicious 🤔. Is the other Seth McFarland who made shows like "Family Guy" and that movie about all the different ways cowboys could get killed from an Evil parallel universe? And this Seth McFarland is from a Good parallel universe? 🤷🏼‍♂️ Are they good and evil twins, and the good one knocked out the evil one and took over his life?

Hunting.... he went hunting to survive.

This episode felt very one-sided.

I thought this show was going to be a straight comedy. I never watched it. This seems kinda heavy.

What Isaak said is just stupid. When they were checking past Gordon, they observed, he lived all his life in the 21st century, the same as everyone else from that period (except those who were speeding up near a black hole, be frozen or something ;) The only ones messing with a timeline was the captain and his ex-goddess for some people 😂

Everyone saying they did the wrong thing is looking at far too sympatheticly. Gordons actions will have a massive impact on the timeline. The smallest action can lead to massive consequences. Hell killing the animals he saw could have insane consequences for the future. Whats bad about what the Captain does is not go back 10 years straight away when they realised.

He lucky enough to be alive right now. their took too long to come pick him up.

The obsession over the existence of their Galactic love-in club as juxtaposed to the fact that Gordon's child has a much right to exist as anyone really shows both the selfishness and the hypocrisy. At best everyone here is picking the timeline they want and to hell with the negative consequences on others. Gordon, at least, made some salient points about right to life and the uncertainty of the unfolding of timelines.

You cant kill animals in the union? Wow it must been very shit.

So chick is a god and everything worked out but a man is a selfish monster for jot dieing ....wow the dubble standers of this show. She has fillings but he is evil....

When you lash out and are not being logical, you no longer have a valid argument. You know you are in the wrong whatever your emotions.

Goodbye Orville, you won't be missed

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What was the reason for not just going back 10 more years and picking him up in that cabin in Connecticut?

If they don’t kill animals in the future what are they eating when their food machine things make meat based foods?

Over that ten years he never once shared knowledge of the future or used it to his advantage, he should have been left. Especially when they have the ability to go back and forth, they could just quick hop back to their future and see the consequences if any

Time travel is hardest thing you can do, you need two harts to do it…