After Australia defeated France in Syria and Lebanon Vichy wasn’t recognised at all, other than as the pathetic colonial subjects of the Third Reich.

@@seanlander9321 You are simply wrong.

My mother was arrested in the Vichy zone (Toulon) by French police under German Gestapo orders in March 1943, spent 6 months in Gestapo prisons in Toulon and Marseille, then transported to Germany to concentration camp for nearly 2 years. She was a Resistance courier aged 24 at the time , betrayed by a Vichy sympathiser. French Nazi collaborators met rough justice subsequent to the liberation of France. About 60,000 were killed. The worst collaborators were Darland's Milice . It was commonly called the French Gestapo and operated in 1943-44.

Yugoslavia had 3 separate resistance movements!!! 2 were vying for Moscow direct aid!!! Tito was the leader of the minor party of these two!!!

I did sort of hope for mention of rhe Yugoslav conflict as well in this video, now I hope there'll be a separate one on that topic.

Yugoslavia was actually fairly simple - you either went with the partisans and resisted or went with your ethnic militia and collaborated. Atleast by 1943 that was the case

@@ZS-rw4qq "collaboration" is the wrong word.

@@HawkThunder907 How so?

A lot of off the books "Justice" was dealt out after a town was liberated. Allied soldiers would tell the locals we'll start enforcing the laws tomorrow, by the way, here's a gun. The messed up part is some victims weren't even collaborators, just people someone else has issues with.

The Allies were terrible

@@Lonovavir the crazier part is I've had people from that area corroborate the story even down when I describe the landmarks that were around at the time and they were like yep that happened. Not unlike when I talk to the grandkids of the other side that my grandparents fought against. I. In different circumstances I could everyone being very good friends.

Yeah, the Free French had 25 days of "People's Tribunals" or "Wild Purges" upon Liberation.

And yet, most collaborators were just as patriotic as they were, some even more so. Many were French ultranationalists who wanted to rebuild French strength and to protect France from destruction by working with the Germans in their crusade against the Bolshevists. French ultranationalists had no love for Stalinist Russia, so why not give the Germans a hand? It'd give them a higher standing in the inevitable German-led Ultranationalist European alliance.

Easy for you to say.

If you are going to collaborate in let's say France, have a plan B in place to get out of dodge when the Allies arrive. Ie, head to Spain or South America and keep a low profile.

Collaborating is fighting under a different flag than your country’s own. That meant the death penalty. This is also the only death penalty I have no problem with either.

As always context matters. Collaboration is collaboration but if your nation was under the thumb of a brutal dictatorship and then was invaded and occupied by a nation whose government treated its citizens fairly then collaboration may be the morally right thing to do.

OP, are you in the US? If yes, do you support the police?

And why not? That would be an interesting subject especially here in Singapore.

@@raymondyee2008 yes same here in Malaysia.. there lot of Japanese Collaborator in Malaya during Japanese occupation

Fascinating... Because I was a collaborator for the Japanese decades ago. But I don't think they themselves agreed 😅😅 🤔🤔

the French were cowards during WWII and it is a disgrace that so much Allied assistance went to them instead to countries that actually would have fought the Germans

@@tomskonieczka2385the problem lies in how ruthless the Germans were. If you killed one German then they’d kill MANY civilians in return. And it would be naive to think the Germans wouldn’t level cities. The Germans were also way better equipped to fight than the French.

⁠@@tomskonieczka2385please outline the sources from which you were able to make this statement. I think this video probably quite accurately summed up that there were resistance fighters; there were collaborateurs but the majority were just passive. It seems easy to say now, without having been actually in that position, that I or you would join the resistance. It does seem that, after the war, you could count millions who said that they resisted.

@theofarmmanager267 We are in the same position now. Most people are very passive towards the occupation forces in control of the world, and collaborators are everywhere.

@theofarmmanager267 We are in the same position now. Most people are very passive towards the occupation forces in control of the world, and collaborators are everywhere.

If youre lying about human slaves collaborator. Are you lying about human slaves?

Me either...women have it rough in uncertain times. Husband dead or pow, children to feed, ect

Could those slaves try or were those parts removed?

As would nearly everyone who want's to live. Don't Trust internet heroes that claim they would be Résistance fighters. They truth is most people would always collaborate because they have no wish to be executed.

You could try to forge your identity.

I get what you’re saying:) I think for Jewish people though, there’s a bit of a hindsight bias. In the beginning they didn’t know how bad things were gonna get (g*nocide), and by the time they were certain they no longer had access to arms and resistance was basically futile 😔 even in the most successful acts of Jewish resistance (Warsaw ghetto etc) they knew they had basically a 0% chance of succeeding and were only choosing to take their enemies down with them.

@@OpalLeigh for sure. As much as I’d go against it I probably wouldn’t play the hero role. Nor would I know what they’d be doing to people who ended up in the camps. Just being realistic.

I d argue that most resistance movements in history never had a chance to win and still they fought.The chances of winning isn't what motivates em.

"what they did"....did they really?

"Nazis to aid in the Holocaust, I would say that you are likely forgetting that antisemitism, racism, and fascism were quite popular in many European cultures at the time" Just because it's popular, doesn't make it any more right.

@@wout4yt agreed. Please read the remainder of my comment to see where I condemn what the collaborators did with the Nazis.

@@wout4yt perhaps we should make it popular again if we plan on continuing as a race.

Honestly ? Not that interesting. A few thousands guys that volunteered to fight communism on the eastern front. All there is to say

@@parodyclip36 battle of Berlin. Collaboration til the end

@@edwindooley2303 It wasn't collaboration at this point, it was survival and desperation. Most troops defending Berlin were foreigners with no home to go back to. These men could not go back to France either way. It isnt that particular. Even Numerically they weren't that many. They barely had any impact overall and most of them ended up slaughtered by the reds.

@@parodyclip36 don't disagree, just seems like a missed opportunity to me tion most of the foreign volunteer units overall. Charlemagne is just the most interesting to me.

@@edwindooley2303 Yeah fair enough

is that the guy that was deposed when he tried ruling an Italian state with his philosophy?

Stepan Bandera was locked up by the Germans, as were many members of his family. The Nazis did not want an independent Ukraine.

Those names are literal tongue twisters.

@@hobinrood710 true

Those aligned with the actual French Communist Party? No. Other leftist groups did though. Including the Spaniards in Southern France. There were nearly a quarter million of them, and many of them were veterans of the Spanish Civil War. They formed guerrilla groups that proved a great nuisance for the Vichy, and then the Germans. Groups of French Volunteers would often form around experience Spaniards who had been soldiers in the War. They were fighting pretty much from day one, having few other options. By 1944 they had formed an all Spanish Army of nearly 40,000 men (high estimates), and lead the way on liberating much of Southern and Western France. Once of their divisions even attempted an invasion of Spain with the goal of restarting the Civil War. They had some success at first but were defeated by larger forces and had to withdraw back into France. It was called ‘Operation Reconquista’

Imagine communist Greece , if they re fucked now they would be double fucked under some red regime

Greece is fictional.

​@@bunk95what is greece?

France signed an armistice with Germany.It wasn't a surrender.

The money market or whats [marketed] as it to slaves? Give slaves fake money markets…

In Netherlands there was strong, public resistance to Nazi rule but also strong collaboration above mere survival. Organised gangs of militia hunted down Jews in hiding, for a cash bounty. These gangs included organised crime, police , firemen, young street thugs and idealogically driven Dutch Nazis.

So you would clearly be a Résistance fighter yes? Are you Sure about that? I wonder what stupid price you would win.

@@bluewizzard8843 No I will just sit at the sidelines

​@@literallynothinghere9089in total war..there aren't any sidelines.

Go back to making boring polls

​@@justout75there is

The victors write history.... unfortunately

Ah yes, the old shield and sword theory. Theses claims have been dismissed a long time ago. Petain was an asshole. He sold the jews of France and pushed hard for France to stop the war while it wasn't over. That man is a disgrace, stop trying to reframe him as some sort of savior. That maybe was the case in WW1, but that ship had sailed a long time ago in WW2.

DeGaulle was a true patriot,soldier and saved France

Who?

@@BMO_alreadytaken The fashy collaborators.

Hum, no ? The reason why the germans didn't need police in the north is because for every act of resistance 10 civilians were executed. My great grandfather died like that in 40, along 4 other towns men "Pour l'exemple". The part played by the resistance was policatlly inflated and used but it was still real. It's justtthat most of the fighting happened after d day but you cant dismiss the entirety of the French resistance based on your flawed impression on one particular area of France. You say first hand sources prove you are right, I can give you a shit on of first hand sources that prove that you are wrong. The French resistance existed long before d day but for obvious purposes it was quiet, waiting for it's time. Maybe you cant comprehend that it is useless to do an uprising, out of the blue. Poles tried that, they died and got their country even more devastated for little to no effect on the war.

@@parodyclip36 your post essentially backs up my argument: Before D-Day there was no real resistance. Reprisals can be used as a reason for the French being passive and collaborative, but this is a reason only and does not remove the fact that they were in fact passive and collaborative. A reason does not remove fact, it helps explain why a fact exists. Futhermore, reprisals, as a reason for passivity, is not universal. In the east there was a real resistance, where groups of men took up arms despite reprisals. This resistance was so great that the Germans had to allocate entire divisions to subdue them. So reprisals in of itself is not a universal reason for passivity.

@@dewetmaartens359 You don't understand anything. Reistance did exist before d day. Sabotage in factories, assassinations (in my hometown a man blew up a nazi ship well before 44), rescuing down allied pilots (A bomber crew was hidden by people next to where I live), giving intels on german activity,. You have to understand that resistance took place in very different forms throughout France. In the North it was a lot more useful to build up a network and bid your time than to just assassinate the first german you see. So in the north the resistance *wasn't* passive but it was not up armed resistance for obvious reasons. In the South the resistants build up vasts networks to help the allies (Helping jews escape, ensuring allied pilots could get back to England via Spain, smuggling french soldiers to join De Gaulle etc). Itvwas sometimes more violent. May I remind you that French resistants LIBERATED Corsica in 1943. You know why ? Because it was possible : Corsica is an island so it wasn't easy for Germany to come back, because allies were advancing and could rapidly back the French resistants. Even tho, acts of armed resistance still took place all over France before 1944. And D day was this successful thanks to the French resistance. Without their intels provided beforehand, sabotage taking place the week before and the collective uprising during D day : a lot of allied soldiers could have died. Overlord was the french resistance masterpiece and a lot if resistants died for it to happen. Dismissing everything before that is incredibly stupid because it is untrue as I just proven you (remember Corsica) and it is unfair because they laid some of the groundwork for their own uprising. I don't know why you are so eager to shit on the French resistance (based on nothing really) but Eisenowher himself credited the French resistance for their pivotal role prior and following d day. Comparing reistance to the west and to the east is stupid too. From a strategic standpoint the uprising of Warsaw (armed resistance in the east) achieved nothing and proves that it is useless to just take up arms without any goals, preparation and cooperation with allied forces

@@parodyclip36 if the resistance prior to D-Day was as prolific as you believe, then how were only a mere 5000 policemen required? Resistance did exist, but it's contribution has been greatly exaggerated and often even fabricated during and after the war. Many declassified documents the last few decades along with research using first hand source material has proven this. The French did provide intelligence, in the same way as all occupied people did. So far my posts are explicitly regarding pre D-Day. After D-Day the resistance did much more and contributed a great deal.

@@dewetmaartens359 Why only 5000 policemen ? Because your statement is untrue lol. You do not account for the presence of wechmacht soldiers conducting military police activities estimated between 50k and 200k before 44), the Abwehr, the Gestapo (after 1942), the Vichy Milice, the French police (supposed to also track resistants, they were sometimes resistants and sometimes collaborators). Finally let me give you an other number ~25 000 resistants *executed* between 1940 and 1944. Not accounting for those who were killed during fightings. The germans and French collaborators were able to round up and execute 25 000 resistants, most of them before d day. So maybe for you those people that got executed did nothing but for us and for the germans they were resistants actively disrupting the german war machine. You got your 5000 german policeman number wrong so just admit that you were wrong and biased. The resistants executed before d day are a proof that there were active resistants before d day.

Lol the Israeli army is currently doing exactly that.

Israel is freeing Palestine from the world map

I never knew that Palestine was the Hebrew word for garbage dump, but you learn something new every day

That’s very stupid. What would a Jewish person (Zelenskyy) be the leader of a antisemitic group

Wtf r u talking about

​@@block8893 Well said.

I would say just anti communist

@@TheDragonborn97 80% of anti communist propaganda originates from Nazis the other 20% originates from Nazi collaborators working w the CIA in the cold war🥴

It's more nuanced than that if you actually paid attention and bothered to engage your brain. But perfectly understandable that binary thinkers ( non thinkers actually 😄) like you can't think beyond your limitations. It's possible to understand why something was the way it happened without necessarily agreeing with it. There. Try that. Only 🤡 here is you.