Bunga bunga

I completely agree! If there is no challenge to their product then why try being better when they’re the only option in that category of gaming? I’m hoping the full game will be good so that overwatch will need to make some important updates for both games to be enticing.

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Idk If competing with overwatch is really a thing at this point the community is so loud and toxic. (As seen with paladins back when that debate was crazy). And all the overwatch players left are the hard core old head. I don't think marvel rivals will be able to poach any of those guys But alot of people have left overwatch over the years. Marvel rivals might be able to build a new playerbase from all the players that tried and quit/gave up on overwatch.

pvz garden warfare hype needs to return so we can have a real competition

Yep, that's how the finals was and now it has 10% of its original playerbase because the meta and ranked grind are terrible.

there was already a meta established in its short alpha competitiveness. and to my knowledge, it wasnt that unbearable.

​@@barksonicagreed with the ranked grind, but the meta is definitely more fun now. And even before this patch, the fcar being strong is something I'll take over for example the grenade launcher being strong

@@Ori_fr I don't disagree with that, but it lost most of its players from nuke meta, shields being broken, and recon being literal mapwide wallhacks. They've done great things to balance or remove them now but sadly most of the playerbase was already gone.

@@barksonic fair enough. I have hopes for season 3. Embark (dev) and Nexon(publisher) are very involved in this game and apparently have some big things planned for the future. Maybe we need an ad showing the lack of nukes 😂

Don’t tell him 🤫

Absolutely hated that but it's balanced cause punisher gets shredded if he fails

True

This is my main issue with Rivals.

It’s called balance…plus it’s a 3rd person game while overwatch is 1st person

Idk being deleted by scarlet witch has a lot of weight to it like depression

@@Ivan-xk4uy 1st third person have nothing to do with it , look at smash attacks in super smash ultimate vs smash attacks in the multiverse game , one game has you fear being hit while other doesn’t

Like they coulda make Magneto have a passive that fortifies structures around him. Ahhh, the game has a lot of potential

i think it could be fun but if the game wants to be competitive was is and isnt destructible has to be really obvious, like r6s for example. there should be strategies to it not just everything around you breaks, but were also not at the phase were those strats have been developed so we;ll see

There is a button to see destructionable objects

The midnight suns card game was decent but it looks like they don't want to cough up the capital to make this more expensive game happen. It seems patchwork in a way that Overwatch never has been. But it's early access done wrong again. I expect nothing more tbh, they might find a diamond somewhere in this rough game but I'm not waiting for it.

@@josephreynolds2401 apparently comes out in a year tho, so they got time to smooth it over

It’s doing a bad job then considering there are more players now than there have been in a long time

ooooh sick burn 😂💀

@@EmoScreamoForeverthey’re down 10k players since February??

@@m3rkstuhthats really barely anything, steam numbers are microscopic

​@@m3rkstuhThe f are you talking about, the highest concurrent players the game had since Steam release was about 1 month ago. The game has seen an increase in player population since S9.

Comparing this to overwatch gotta stop … this game don’t even have 20% of the hype overwatch did when it was first announced yea it did but soon as they said 3rd person like 60% of the players was like nahhh we good

Preach. I keep wishing DOTA could be distilled into 10-15 minute games. I used to play quite a bit but the 50+ minute games got more exhausting, and drew out so much more toxicity than a pretty quick game. Still one of my favorites with an awesome comp scene (I moved on 4+ years ago so maybe it all sucks now)

@@dashvash5440 They have great overhaul patches. One just dropped giving every hero a choice of two "facets" that changes their playstyle. It looks very different now. I quit for the same reasons. Match length wouldn't be so bad, but the player base thinks the optimal way to win is to get to mid game then throw all your gold away pushing mid for 25 minutes then flame the guys actually taking objs in the right order. This is the dominant playstyle from herald to legend (sometimes divine). Legitimately the only times I won that game was if just one other guy on the team helped push creep waves.

Hela is considered the only “sniper” in the game as of now

i think it works a bit better in xdefiant because its not a abilty focused game like marvel rivals its a fps mainly

@christopher7692 I disagree. There are factions, abilities, and ultimates that swing teamfights in your favor. If the game wasn't ability focused, they wouldn't be in the game. Either cooldowns need to be lower, or ttk should be higher. The game is awkward and clunky otherwise

@@PyrncessTempest they're meant to be impactful, they're not meant to dictate every fight, or even every other fight. Having abilities on shorter cooldowns would be an active detriment to much of the playerbase that they have targeted

long cooldowns can works in fps focused on gunplay, look at destiny, even tho its generally not great pvp game, it makes sense why some grenades have 2 min cooldowns

well... im pretty sure in rivals there is literally only one ability in the game with a cooldown that long so its not rly the issue you guys are making it into

its not

I think the same, overwatch has such loveable characters and mechanics, it's unfortunate how it was mishandled by blizzard.

Me too bro, me too

Overwatch will never be good as long as it’s 5v5. Every single issue is downstream from that one fatal decision.

@@ConciseCabbage 100%. That and the projectile size changes in season 9 are a joke. What's the point in even improving if your shots hit regardless of whether you miss or not.

that can be fixed

​@@Void-Knullnope, full time game dev here. It's actually impossible to fix

@@joshford256 full time game company ceo here, what you say is correct but we'll tell the public and our shareholders that it'll be fixed soon and none of our devs will be affected by this, nor will they be put on overtime.

This. The game feels rushed. Marvel is owned by Disney which somehow has a gajillion more dollars than Blizz does. I find it unacceptable their game doesn’t look super smooth and the 3rd person camera looks weird to me, I don’t know what it is but everything feels like weirdly small on the screen. The colors are also really confusing. I’m an Overwatch player and I should be able to tell what’s going on but I can’t.

@@nicholasemmendorfer8748 full time game dev here. Skill issue bozo

To me, the way banner transforms into Hulk, I think that he should've said "HULD SMASH" rather than "iM HUlKiNG oUt" sounds a bit weird to me tbh

I fr would cringe at half of the voice lines mid game and die cause it was so bad

​@@kingnoook6391 you seem like you're finding every nitpick for rivals just to be different, meh

@@Justatoadyall ummmm why would I hate on a game I put 18 hours into…. I just want the game to be better . In overwatch you’ll get voicelines that deadass give you chills you would think that would happen more in a rival game

@@kingnoook6391 I apologize original gangster

I hate the fact the people aren't realizing that you can't really compare Overwatch to Marvel Rivels .

I get super irritated by people acting like any new OW character with high CC, or weird/unique abilities as their focus instead of gunplay, are somehow a game breaking thing that takes away from the experience and doesn't fit with an FPS because it just ignores the genre of Overwatch entirely. When the game first came out the magic that drew me in to begin with was the fact that it wasn't some dull overly realistic COD game, and instead it was my first chance to use a bunch of cool ass MOBA abilities from the first person perspective and have an FPS with tons of cool and varied characters instead of one blank stand-in character with an AK-47 for everyone to use at once.

@@user-fw8hq2wc3k also agreed, rivals feels more like an improvement upon Rogue Company than it does OW, TF2 or Paladins

yeah but the problem with moba abilities is that blizzard can't seem to implement them without moba visuals. massive flashy effects just don't work that well in a first person or over the shoulder third person game. also hero/class/whatever shooters aren't inherently moba-like, overwatch specifically just takes more design cues from mobas than most games. just because valorant has moba abilities doesn't mean that's inherent to the tac shooter genre. i do agree that these sort of abilities are inseparable from overwatch though

@@boinqity4621 I can agree that they haven't done the best job of implementing them visually in the sense of making them identifiable in big fights. It seems like they have mentioned a desire to fix that recently, and have taken a few small steps. Main thing I think needs to be done is just making sure that effects which apply to people are visually distinct or maybe they can design some more symbols which float on health bars to indicate everything. Lil fire balls for burning, Shields for fortify and armor granting stuff, a heart for cardiac etc etc.

Lack of movement acceleration has been the bane of overwatch's balance from the very start. All characters at base have scout(tf2) level movement without any of the acceleration that prevents AD spamming from being as effective as it is. If you want an example of how this is unhealthy for the game just look at hammond, an already low damage character who's primary fire basically requires 60% headshots to be effective and see how long it takes for him to kill an AD spamming baptiste. What you'll find is the reason hurt boxes were enlarged and why so many heros have some sort of stun effect, Spamming projectile, or someway to completely bypass needing to shoot at all. Mei had her freeze and now her slow because it mitigates the impact of non-existent movement acceleration. Torbjorn and Symettra were both heavily reliant on their turrets in the early days because the devs needed heros that didn't rely on aim to heavily. Projectile characters are largely spammy mess of characters because they will inevitably miss so many of their shots because opponents can just swap directions in an instant. Moria has her meme beam so that she doesn't have to focus on trying to hit jittery flanks that constantly flank. Brigitte's EVERYTHING from her most toxic meta defining moments to her lowest pick rates have been a result of characters that can effectively abuse the lack of movement acceleration needing a dedicated counter just because of how oppressive they were. This system also fucks over tanks quite a bit because now they're the only target most players will be able to hit consistently. The game conditions them to focus tanks even harder than it already does. Tanks get focused harder to supports are buffed to out heal the damage but now it's even harder to kill a normal hero when their pocketed because they can just AD spam and heal off the hits they do get. Repeat the vicious cycle to today. If you want an even more egregious example of how lack of movement acceleration can hurt a game just look at high level COD gameplay. Without acceleration it turns into a weightless miss of sprinting full speed in one direction than just flicking to another without any slowdown. It's essentially the opposite of CS's movement which is still being played to this day largely in part because of it's excellent use of weighty movement acceleration. The point of this rant is to point how we really shouldn't be using lack of movement acceleration as a positive.

@@robotrannicthesurprisingly9085yes i agree completely, paladins does feel awkward and clunky but its not because of the movement acceleration. the game just has clunky kits that they never cleaned up.

hi ive played ow1 since release and i played the alpha for a week and rivals felt like less visual clutter to me... adding in sym wall mauga ult life weaver tree kiriko having a giant blue hallway on ur screen... once i got used to everything rivals felt like less visual clutter to me outside of the destructible environment but i mean thats a given that breaking it is gonna change the map and make it easier or harder to get sight lines.. pretty sure u can just turn off voice lines so idk why ppl act like that is such a problem that it will deter them from playing the game at that point it just seems like u dont wanna play it which is fine 😭

Cute, but overwatch isnt dead lol

Starlord or spiderman are probably the ones you're looking for. Starlord is Tracer with reaper Ult instead of recall (less dmg than reaper ult) and Spiderman is Genji with widow Hook

it feels decent... def not as good as ow but its not horrible, it feels better than paladins imo.. thats something i rly hope they do improve for beta or at least launch

it will split the player base and the 6v6 mode will have longer que times because it needs to find 4 tanks instead of 2

6v6 and 5v5 have their own unique experiences and instead of splitting the player base, it would give players another way to play the game they enjoy.

@@StevenGeraci He's right. It would absolutely split the player base. Trying to be clever with your wording doesn't change the meaning. "it would give players another way to play" literally means dividing one group into two.

@@MrZebanHai I mean that both modes would be so unique from each other players would play both and not choose one or the other.

I feel the same, but we all must remenber that it is a alpha still, it's success depend solely on how they address the feedback, otherwise i think it will be a unfun game, faster than overwatch.

valve's upcoming game is a moba. how is that comparable to current state ow2? also, i see the publisher netease slander get thrown around a lot. but naraka bladepoint is still going strong with over 100k online steam right now... and they also have drastically improved dead by daylight mobile. so ive seen decent results from them.

valves game will be a moba - a competitor to something like smite, it won't be as close to overwatch as you might think it is

can yall stop with this "the only thing that can give competition to overwatch" the things that gave competition to overwatch were apex and valorant and they won..... overwatch is ALREADY dead and a casual game compared to the other two... super hero fatigue yeah but thats why we have magik punisher hela peni parker storm etc and they will be adding more from fantastic4 and such so i dont think there is a fatigue to get when they are adding niche characters... LUNA SNOW? there are valid criticisms to this game but i feel like so many of u miss the mark... maybe im over estimating how many of u guys actually got to play the game tho cuz everyone ive talked to that played it (that isnt an ow fanboy) thought the game was fun to play.. we not expecting it to be what ow, is this game feels like a casual fun game i dont think it will ever die but it will never be what ow1 was competitively

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Indeed my bro, but overwatch here and now have such a fame that people will keep saying sh*t about the game for a while

Yea haha once everyone gets over the hype surrounding that initial fun factor phase for a new game, I'd like to see how much of the player-base remains once marvel rivals introduces ranked and focuses on balancing.

dont listen to people who got a sponsoreship from the game, makes sense they have to be positiv

Superheroes are more than just video games and Movies... People who are sick of superheroes are people who were introduced to superheroes a couple of years ago anyway🤷🏿‍♂️ Mostly the MCU🤷🏿‍♂️ and just like any other movie genre, it will always have fatigue🤷🏿‍♂️ I mean look at slashers🤷🏿‍♂️ or post apocalypses😂 and no one makes good parodies anymore 😑 The movie industry just isn't loyal and the love for Money will always be it's downfall

@@bah_m7889 I think its because "Superhero" is being treated more as a genre than as someones job. And that makes it easier to fall to fatigued audiences. Similar to why I dislike superman in the more generic media of him, but enjoy it when his powers arent the main focus/solution and are sometimes even pushed aside.

Overwatch is is too much of a cash cow for blizzard to leave it behind

Thing is Tf2 is actually fun to play while OW2 isn't.

ow2 has also got a bot problem recently but I don't think it will die as much as tf2 did

​@@dogidogediggidydogedd957And yet the latter has many more players than the first.

@@dogidogediggidydogedd957 I'm sorry to tell you, TF2 died a long time ago, the devs are way too lazy and the only "content" they add is lootboxes. The bot situation is just another nail in the coffin.

There was a bug with dr strange portal.

@@nahaight1373 that would cause huge resource issues?

Visual clutter is something I notice instantly when watching gameplay. OW1 had it rough at times but 5v5 made the game so readable and following complicated team fights is way more accessible. And frankly I'd never want to go back. Spam is obnoxious but it's a huge part of pressure and controlling space it's even worse when it's so much harder to read.

@@secretlyaslug2325you’d take less visual clutter for a game that is 10x worse💀

it’s a 3rd person fps, jk, i think he means to say shooter because the criticisms listed in this video still apply regardless of the players perspective

I think the point was that while you can't make a direct comparison of the game overall (fan base wise, game format), there are still obvious inspirations for hero design and small details of the game that are taken from overwatch that are hard to ignore

You’re coping so hard😭😫

Wow, you are reaching so hard, bro. Actually crazy.

That's what happened to Nick All Star Brawl almost exactly. "The Smash Killer" they called it

​@@nahaight1373The only guy coping here is you. If you think that a cheap clone made by the greediest company in the market is gonna last for more than a couple of months you are insane

Agreed, looks way too clunky and soulless

Former T500 here that quit with the season 9 changes. I like XDefiant a lot, but coming from something like overwatch, it gets boring quick imo. That is more of a personal taste thing tho, I think the game is great. Just a better COD.

Because it is basically Sym's old ultimate from OW1