My disdain for all things PGA and OWGR grows with each passing day…

There's also the tv deal which Mickelson mentioned, where the pga relies on their players having high rankings. Agree with darkstar, from a pure sporting point of view, we want fairness in who are the best players currently.

Wouldnt it be strange if we used a handicap system to calculate who is the best golfer. They card scores, the courses are able to be rated/sloped.

The big issue that causes the corruption is that the OWGR board is NOT independent....every board member has a conflict of interest

Finally, been waiting for this discussion. This is exactly whats happening in golf at the moment. I hope LIV unravels this system(monopoly)

I listened to this earlier. I had to get away and think about why the OWGR doesn’t matter any longer. They killed their golden goose. They thought they could just keep things the same and that smarter, better informed and thanks to you, golfers thinking about golf’s future and fairness. You have laid bare the corruption of world rankings in golf. They cannot recover. We need a new group to develop a real golf standings and if the OWGR ignores it, they will lose all their majors. I do believe they are that stupid. They don’t want progress. In their view, they are all powerful and will remain blind to reality. Great discussion and a first to really talk about how this corrupt groups actions are destroying professional golf’s future. I will think more about this and all the ramifications it has caused in our loved sport. Golf, rare because so many fans actually play the sport. This is not common in other sports. Our investment as individuals is huge. Thanks for this discussion. I felt the OWGR was blind, corrupt, but did not know why or how.

Look at this week - the Butterfield Bermuda Championship which is a fall series and what used be an alternate event, carries more points than the Nedbank Golf Challenge which is the first of the DPWT final series. No doubt Justin Thomas was paid handsomly to play in this event because he could earn more points playing some off season PGA event closer to home. The Nedbank Golf Challenge used to be one of the greatest and the richest tournament in the world, with amazing limited fields played in the PGA Tour off season. South Africa could get some of the top PGA players and the best around the world. Thats till Tiger (and the PGA) decided to start hosting its own limited field Hero Challenge at the same date, and make it a huge prize fund. Well that spelled the end for Africa's Major. So too did the SA Open suffer because it was usually held the weekend before or after the Nedbank so several Nedbank Challenge players would also play in the SA Open which by the way is the second oldest Open Championship after The Open.

Absolutely nailed it.

I said this before, the players need a collective bargaining agreement. The PGAT is a monopoly and the only way to deal with the monopoly is a union. Just like the NFL and every other professional sport has done. The players have been nice and they have gotten screwed.

everything in golf is changing and the rankings system have to also

I’m indifferent to what’s going on in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Both tours are receiving money from Saudi’s either openly or thru back channels.

OWGR is such a nonsense way to structure a majority of pro golf status and exemptions… you couldn’t create a more convoluted or less interesting qualification system for the majors if you tried

Well said !

On Augusta National, i do not think FR gives a rip about the confusion that is the PGAT's handling of LIV.

Nice to see dark star back on the reg

If TM is serious about going deeper into this subject you'll need to know TUGR and the threat those guys are to OWGR. WHY? LIV has invited TUGR to Dubai 12/08/23

I always thought the PGA was about competititon and the best rose to the top. Apparently not world wide, for sure. Maybe not as much in the USA either. LIV helped pull the veil off the PGA, et al.

Growing the game

I noticed the Liv promotions event is using the TUGR system for qualifications to get in

Meritocracy and aristocracy sound close enough I guess. Well explained. The conflicts of interest have led to the owgr being a joke, but they don’t have to care because at least it’s still their joke. I’m not sure all these golf aristocrats are actual members at the worlds greatest golf club. But I know what you mean. Small table of golf indeed.

And the stupid players didn’t want LIV 😂🤣

When is LIV going to start a Masters Type Tournament or Tournaments? They have the money and influence. Then establish a LIV-WGR. How to bypass the OWGR?

Pretty much all head to head competitions like chess use strength of opponent as the major part of the calculation. Golf is different in that a player is going up against a hundred or so players. It's hard for a relative rookie to outplay so many. If the OWGR gives points to a player languishing in the hundreds who makes it into the top twenty then that is good. If they only give out points to those at the top then that's unfair. Incorporating course slope would be worth considering. But incorporating course prestige seems problematic. If the best golfers are not participating then how is that tournament prestigious? If the reason pros are avoiding once prominent events is because of the money, then they should take the purse into account negatively, i.e. you get fewer points the more money you can make.

As always 👍

OWGR has no credibility anymore...so the current ranking of players is irrelevant at this stage. Does anyone with half a brain thinks the top 45 (less the 3 LIV players in there Rahm, Cam and Brooks) are better than all the LIV golfers? Answer is no...so OWGR is by implication irrelevant. Seems the majors will take their lead from OWGR rankings...and if so, their significance will fade rapidly as everyone will know it's just another golf event for PGA players and not a tournament where the best of the best compete for the title...as simple as that.

When your video title has bad syntax it’s like starting off with a triple. You can’t save stupid. “Couldn’t care less” let that sink in

Now that rahm is with LIV, PGA/OWGR becoming more irrelevant

Oh no surprise there... Jay Monahan is on the board........

Don’t get into the Masters like before. Don’t want to see all those old past winners 😞 let more younger players in sick of all these old men running the Masters creepy 😳

Not addressing the Hamas-Saudi-LIV connection is not being honest. Wishing it away won't work. I'm no longer impressed by this channel.