James gurney is awesome

@@larabrijkaushly762 agreed

Perfect timing and so true Alpay.

Think a lot of those comments; mine included, was due to the critique by James Gurney and the painting completely over a large section of another’s artists work. I think this opened it up for debate. The electric character was super cool and amazing and if it had just been that, I doubt would have been as much of a divide within the comments.

I have followed all the advice people give and have lost all faith in myself and my ability. So... imagine if every other artist did. What a dull place the world would become. I think your art is absolutely beautiful. Now, the glove opinion... I wonder if that person washes their hands after using the bathroom?

Oh...maybe I should start doing that too, then. This might be weird, but...I usually love having paint stains on my hands after painting. I find it sort of inspiring. But...I don't want to get cancer. x)

🤗Same reason I am careful, (am primarily a pastel artist), of both integumentary and respiratory systems. Gloves and good vent area; It can also affect my pets. I met an artist who hadn't been and was in cancer treatment. I do not know if they did other activities that might be at fault, but they said it was the materials worked with unprotected. (Should read what's in cleaning wipes. I use vinegar now).

So very smart of your friend to do so! Many of the paints and chemicals one uses in oil painting, especially, are highly toxic. The cadmium family of colors can cause both cancer and respiratory symptoms as do secondary chemicals such as turpentine and certain varnishes. Even gessoed boards or canvases should be handled with care. And never,ever lick brushes to make a fine point of the brush hair. Never. Mosaic materials . as well, can cause problems since most high-end tesserae are made from Venetian or Mexican glass. When cut, glass particles can cause very serious lung problems if slivers become airborne and inhaled. Protective gear such as masks, ventilators, and eyewear should always be worn. These very fine fibers of glass can actually cause blindness should they get into the eye. When I was taking lessons in mosaic design, master mosaicists often would go without PPE which I could never understand. Unfortunately one of my instructors now has lung cancer. I can’t help but suspect that he inhaled glass slivers which contributed to his condition. He is only in his early 40s, but he’s now dying as the cancer is aggressive and has metastasized to other organs. So, bottom line, be safe and wear the PPE that are suggested for projects, rather than be sorry ten years down the road.

Also helps if you swap turpentine for walnut oil (there are other nut oils that too, walnut is just a personal pick lol). There are also newer brands that have changed formulations of their oil paints to be less toxic. I'd still wear gloves and though and be in an open space when painting.

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I think there is a risk in taking that argument too far in the other direction. The last part is not strictly true. Yes, references are generally used, but experienced illustrators can paint realism entirely from imagination and it is a worthwhile skill to pursue. This painting by Vicente Segrelles was done without any reference whatsoever: arthive.net/res/media/img/ox800/work/1f5/124975.jpg. If your work depends on a lot of invention then you need to practice that skill.

@@kullenberg not really. If you don't use the tools available to you, you will fall behind. Not everyone is Vicente Segrelles. Like I said there are some people who can do it, but for the vast majority of people references are a must. Planning is a must. Thinking and strategizing on how to reach a good finished product is a must. Sure, some people can create and have extreme natural ability. For people like me, who have 0 natural artistic ability and had to start from absolute scratch, preparation and effort and strategic thinking is what wins the day. Certainly as you grow and get better these things begin to come more naturally and you hone these skills through practice and experience. Nobody is disputing that. An example is some of the greatest tattoo artists in the world cannot and would never think of freehanding realism no matter how good they are. Some do, but for them, the tracing process is an art in itself to get a good stencil. But when the hyper realistic tattoo is finished, nobody cares that they traced a stencil to aide them in getting that final result. Same thing if someone transfers a sketch to canvas via a projector or some other means. When the finished product is finished, nobody really cares how the artist achieved it. So if pride makes you refuse to use tools available it's only limiting the artist You also have to ask yourself what matters the most. If you're not able to get proportion correct, which can take years upon years to truly master, but you want to practice other essentials of art like contrast, value, line, shape, form, texture, space, etc. Why not just trace the thing you want to draw and then the proportion part is done for you. Eventually if you do this enough you'll get better at proportion by muscle memory and understanding how one shape relates to another. There's nothing wrong with that and many of the great artists on KZfaq do it, and the fact is you'll never get MORE accurate than that method. You can measure all you want but it'll never be more accurate than simply transferring your sketch. That's the cold reality, if you want to look at it as cheating go ahead, but many of the people making big bucks off hyper realism don't seem to care at all 🤷‍♂️ people care about what looks good and what doesn't, simple as that. The process differs from artist to artist.

Precisely correct. Sometimes I combine images from various references to make a complete painting. It would be nice if I could solely use my imagination but I'm simply not that skilled or talented.

@@AlphaGeminorum1 this is my process as well. I create designs via procreate using many different references, then use that completed digital design as my reference for a drawing or painting on paper or canvas. Keep going and it'll get easier and easier. I am pretty good at technical application but composition is definitely the thing I need to work on. I will not get better at composition by simply drawing from imagination. I need to create full designs to understand composition rules like the rule of 3rds and so on.

Especially when that whole painting a bowl of fruit thing is a trope

i couldnt agree more, people abusing off of their anonymity to be impolite

You are so right, love! 💗

I really do like your point of view. Fully agreed.

Absolutely right. Michelangelo had agendas when painting the Sistine Chapel and carving Moses and David out of marble, as he was contracted to make them by the people who pay him. This idiotic rationale by the people commenting in his video would discard Michelangelo as _"Not a real artist."_ Social media is a nasty place.

A step further, there's plenty I'd comfortably say to a specific person IN person that I wouldn't say online, because it could be viewed by large quantities of *random* people who don't have any of that context for interpretation.

I was thinking the same!

It's so fascinating to see! And in my head that is a sign of a *good* artist. You can see the same thing when James Gurney is painting. It starts of with weird colors and chaotic shapes, and at some point it all just comes together. It's like magic! So cool!

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Different areas of the skin have different tint of pigments. If you’re interested, I suggest looking up “Color Zones of the Face” where you can find a general chart for where these colors happen

@@JueriHaan thank you!!! i saw these charts a long time ago but i forgot what they were called. i couldn't think of the words needed to google it! great references

Angela, you have hit the nail on the head with your comment. I wish I had taken that more to heart years ago.

So what exactly do you define as ‘real art’? You said art is subjective, but self worth as an artist and what is art is two different things.

@@newcreationkoi4577 What point I am trying to get at is this: 'Real Art' isn't a thing. We have spent literal millennia trying to define it and failing to ever agree at even fundamental levels. The term 'real art' is usually used in describing work that person doesn't perceive as qualifying, or they imply such by comparison to something they do believe qualifies. It is very easy for us artists, especially young artists, to fall into the trap of tying our self worth to other people's assessments of our work's genre/style/technique/medium as 'real art' or 'good art'. But I believe profoundly in one of my favorite lines from cinema: "the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so."

@@MasterpieceLost thank you for clarifying. It seems its the old, “don’t compare apples to oranges” argument. Cheers!

@MasterpieceLost - A friend and I used to have long talks about "what is art". We eventually drew the line at "no glitter". But I suppose somebody has already come along to prove us wrong.

Facts!

Painting what you think other people want is a huge trap, in my experience. There's something about artwork that you didn't enjoy making that turns a lot of people off subconsciously, people will acknowledge the technical skill of it and move on to something more interesting.

I paint macabre depictions of goddesses and mythological beings and there are plenty who want that in their homes. Paint what you love, because if YOU love it, it means there are others out there who love it and they're probably just WISHING someone would paint it!

I totally get this.

I'll do commissions, unless it's something really stupid or even just uninteresting. I've stopped worrying about who's going to by this painting. My goal is to make myself like it.

I dearly hope you listened to your self and got going on your “own gig”!!!! It’ll likely scare the bejeebers out of you and equally thrill you at the same time!!! What have you got to loose???!? Except large segments of your life for disappointing yourself! Go for it!! Really!!!

I didn't know who Inigo is initially, but the constant referencing and memeing of him made me decide to check out the film this character is in lmao

I'm 23 and I still believe he is highly iconic thanks to my parents

The fact that there is a whole generation of adult people who are too young to recognize this iconic movie really hurts my soul. It should be required viewing (along with The Neverending Story) for all children 😆

@@space.tel-e-grams As you wish 😉

@@space.tel-e-grams i nominate Labyrinth as well 💙

Yeah, this character is widely known.

Born in 2007 I know him 😂

I could see it being ruthless and unbridled online 😞

Nowadays it would be more appropriate for "Have fun storming the Capitol. You think it will work - It'll take a miracle, Good-bye."

@@melvinthomas6383 - If my cake had that, I would throw it in Dad's face.

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Oh Smoe... you are such a kind soul 💜

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My kids know him too 😍

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Growing up as a "thug" in Baltimore, I didn't get much street cred when I told people my favorite movie was The Princess Bride. I worked at the theater when this came out and I memorized almost every line. I still have to watch it if I happen to come across it while channel surfing. So many iconic lines. Luv that movie. "Rodents of unusual size...I don't think they exist."

@@melvinthomas6383 Haha.. I feel you, dude. The Princess Bride is my all-time favorite movie and I am super annoying to watch it with because I can't help but quote every line! 😂

Your Mom has gifted you exceptionally well with this movie!

I had a similar experience with my dad, though I didn't quit because of it but it did end up making this wierd unintentional association. He didn't want us to get big heads and egos over things we did and made so he would frequently remind us that "You aren't special." I know as an adult he didn't mean it this way, and like I said I never stopped drawing... but even now I'll put time and money into learning something, learning to MAKE something. Something cold that people want or like or I could even sell! ... But no matter what they feel worthless. I am not special, anyone could learn this, if I could learn this ANYONE could learn it BETTER than I ever could. So I do or make things... but it doesn't ever make me happy or feel proud. Because there's nothing to be proud of. I'm not special. Even at 30 I am still trying to unlearn that but it likes to hang around.

I'm so sorry you went through that. That says more about what your dad thought of himself than anything about you or your work. I hope you can rebuild your self-confidence and shine! Sometimes it takes a lot of concentrated and deliberate action to undo these hurtful experiences and move forward. I believe in you!

I once did a watercolor painting of an Indian actor. I was super proud of it because I'd just gotten watercolors and for a first attempt it came out really well. My uncle called me to try to get me to promise him that I'd never use watercolors again because I had no talent in it. Well now they're my favorite medium so...

@@KichiMiangra wow that would be a hard mindset to escape. I think it can help if you realise that while *most* people can learn the skills to do art, they don’t have the motivation and you do. It also helps to realise that even if thirty other people learnt the same things you did, they aren’t you. You will bring your own perspective and life experience and way of thinking to each thing you create. I think what I’m trying to say is “you are special”. There is not another you in the world. If every artist or creator listened to the advice of their parents, there would be no art, no music, no movies. “You’ll never make it as a…” “there’s no money in…” those are opinions told by people who have no experience in that industry, what do they know? I’m glad you’re working through it, we need more artists in the world.

@@snowpanther7076 I never got such harsh comments, but I've met a lot of people who believed in talent over effort. My grandma tried painting, but she didn't believe she had talent, so she didn't continue. When I was young, I didn't believe in talent, so I just kept on trying. I then got compliments on how talented I was. I believe in talent now, because after a lot of years with art and music, music still comes easier to me than anything else, but I've still attained good skills in art, and I love to paint. Don't stop painting.

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@@AlpayEfe Hey Alpay, There is someone in your comment section that is trying to Scam people, Maybe you can block them out? I trully thought you contacted me, But shortly realized it was a Scam,

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It could just be the negative associations. In theory I don't have a problem with fanart (and would love to get fanart of my own characters someday) but that space tends to be occupied by entitled people who think they own the character now that they drew them once (those people are the worst because they also tend to be anti-copyright) or just be people who are beginners and their art isn't 'up to standard' (which is fine but the average person would see that as bad). I view fanart the same way I view fanfiction: do it if it makes you happy but if you want to be a pro, you're gonna have to start creating your own stuff.

@@snowpanther7076 absolutely. Fan art is great if you’re not trying to profit from it (especially when the original maker isn’t benefiting from it). But I’m this instance I would say while this imagery is pleasant to look at, I’m enjoying it for the process and the words of wisdom and that is the true value.

@@kimberlywolcott8117 Too many artists on KZfaq (I can think of quite a few off the top of my head, Baylee Jay being one of them) sell their fanart and try to justify it by saying they won't make money if they sell their original art. That's where I stop supporting fanart. Most creators love seeing fanart because it means people loved their creation but selling it means you're just a thief. Of course their are the people that believe that once someone publishes a book or comic that the characters now belong to the fans and that the author/creator should have no right to it. (Tom Scott argues against copyright and his arguments are garbage). Fanart should be for fun and community. Original art should be where the profit is made

@@snowpanther7076 - So many people lack any understanding of copyright protection. They think Fair Use means "because I want to". If someone sneaks into my house, grabs my car keys, and drives away, that is stealing. It's the exact same thing with theft of intellectual / creative property, taking something an artist slaved over, maybe for years, then copy it without permission for profit. Theft!

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Offer me money, power to offer me that. All that I have and more, please. Offer me everything that I ask for. Anything you want. I want my father back you son of a bitch.

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