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The Pandemic has had a greater impact on the world than any event since 1945. It is already three years old and still very far from over. The pandemic raises many questions. How do we evaluate China’s initial response to Covid-19? Why was the West so ill-prepared? Why did China have such low death figures and the US so high? Why were the Western and Chinese approaches to Covid-19 so different? Why has the West chosen to 'live with Covid-19' while China has pursued a zero-tolerance policy? What will we make of the pandemic in the years to come? Here Martin Jacques, a leading global analyst and author of the most influential book on China’s rise, and Professor Ejaz Akram, a Pakistani-American scholar of World Politics and China, and adviser to the former Pakistan prime minister Imran Khan, discuss these questions and others.