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The Pandemic: Why Has China Done So Well and the West Done So Badly?

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Martin Jacques

Martin Jacques

Күн бұрын

The Pandemic has had a greater impact on the world than any event since 1945. It is already three years old and still very far from over. The pandemic raises many questions. How do we evaluate China’s initial response to Covid-19? Why was the West so ill-prepared? Why did China have such low death figures and the US so high? Why were the Western and Chinese approaches to Covid-19 so different? Why has the West chosen to 'live with Covid-19' while China has pursued a zero-tolerance policy? What will we make of the pandemic in the years to come? Here Martin Jacques, a leading global analyst and author of the most influential book on China’s rise, and Professor Ejaz Akram, a Pakistani-American scholar of World Politics and China, and adviser to the former Pakistan prime minister Imran Khan, discuss these questions and others.

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@pikachus5m166
@pikachus5m166 Жыл бұрын
China did so well because they suspected from the outset, that the initial breakout is the result of a US bioweapon attack in Wuhan. The US did badly because they underestimated the contagion aspects of their own bioengineered pathogen, as it was more than likely developed to target people of East Asian descent, a race specific virus, as it is known East Asians have a higher number of ACE2 lung receptors, making them more prone to infection. And the technology for manipulating the spike protein of coronavirus, was patented in the US by Dr Ralph Baric.
@Shion0Hibiki
@Shion0Hibiki Жыл бұрын
No. The US did so bad because they was greedy. Their own bio engineered pathogen was truly leaked by accident at Fort Dettrick( leak around late July, early August 2019). By the time they realize what was happening the virus have already spread. That where they decided to ignore it, because they fear they are the only one nation going to suffer from it. So they started a counter measure that could benefit the US. To hide the virus, they blame the flu, vaping illness. They kick WHO out from entering US, started a trade war with China,started a riot at Hong Kong using up all the mask on the market, while knowing this virus was spreading around, they got the five eye together and establish funding for MRNA production line, around October, November 2019 (production line take around 1 year to build), they waited for Chinese military Olympic to bring their virus infected military, into China to try infect the leader of China and to spread the virus in China. They then blame the virus on to China, while vaping illness quietly disappeared from media. The US couldn't start testing in January or February, because it would show up and prove virus started from some where else and not in China. (All nation that is hard hit are where US citizen would travel the most, EU nation, Singapore, japan and England). US wanted the virus to spread in China but didn't expect CCP would stop it so quickly and the will to locked down the border so readily. (complete lock down in late January) The US started testing in April/May but to ensure they hide the true number of infection, they blame it on shortage of testing kit. Using this excuse they control how many they are testing and the number that show up on their data. However they was not smart enough to hide the facts that the percentage of infected still show up in their testing, which show the number of infected are far far higher. Which prove the first case didn't started around March 2019 in the US but far far earlier then that. The Chinese then release their vaccine around July/August using old vaccine production line and US release it vaccine around August and full production around October/November. But this time line have a problem MRNA production line is new and will take around a year to make, however it only took, 7 month in the US which is impossible. January China share DNA of the virus to the world, so US can only start to analyze the virus from mid January. To be able to go from analyzing, building a new production line for the vaccine and come up with a working vaccine at the same time in 7 month. Is highly impossible for US giving it, took so long for US to even come up with testing kit to test its people. The 7 month time line using new technology that require building new production line. It would be very very hard even for China to do. (not to mention it, it still need to test it vaccine, test the production line etc). The US go about selling their vaccine while telling the world how bad the Chinese vaccine are and force allies or friendly nation from buying vaccine from China. While everyone only believed the media and forget the real facts, that are hiding with in the lies.
@nanyanguo1
@nanyanguo1 Жыл бұрын
believe that is also why China is no hurry to open up country for inbound n outbound travels without testing n quarantine.
@stephenlock7236
@stephenlock7236 Жыл бұрын
Have actually no doubt that it is a US engineered virus to devastate China. All the evidence points to that direction. From the urgent closure of the Ft. Derrick labs to the secretive evacuation of the sick US military athletes from the Wuhan Games to the unwillingness of the US government to allow investigation of the FD labs.
@nanyanguo1
@nanyanguo1 Жыл бұрын
@user-vo6uj5oz3w How can covid be harmless when there are still pple dying from covid in uS , africa n other region. . Lower covid fatalities does not mean no fatalities . US is not the world . WHO has not even declare the pandemic is over . They assess the global covid situation and not just one country situation. China is not ending its dynamic zero covid policy . They only adjust the measures . They also review their policy on a global covid basis n not just China.
@gelinrefira
@gelinrefira Жыл бұрын
This conspiracy theory is as stupid as the ones many American believe that the virus was leaked from an Wuhan virology lab.
@ABritishRefugeeinChina
@ABritishRefugeeinChina Жыл бұрын
As a Brit living in China for the last 14 years, I would just like to express my gratitude to the brilliant way China handled the pandemic and kept me an my family safe. We have led relatively normal lives, albeit with testing almost every day. As a consequence of their brilliant and decisive action, I do not know anyone in China who actually got COVID, let alone died COVID. Cheers from Shanghai!
@ron9465
@ron9465 Жыл бұрын
I'm living in China and absolutely agree with you.
@rider2731
@rider2731 Жыл бұрын
I’m living in the US and I absolutely agree with you too.
@MichBel307
@MichBel307 Жыл бұрын
I live in France and I absolutely agree with you. Wish I lived in China. Here they had no masks to provide at the beginning of the Covid. When China donated one million masks, the Macron government confiscated them all. Then they forced us to do vaccine by blackmailing, saying police will come to get you. And invented this ridiculous vaccine passport to ban us going anywhere. So much for a democratic country with so-called but non-existed human right!
@trickshots7188
@trickshots7188 Жыл бұрын
Don't mention the suicide rate
@duaneowens7777
@duaneowens7777 Жыл бұрын
Massa is giving you some chow mein and letting you take a vacation every now and then...
@autumnfar3114
@autumnfar3114 Жыл бұрын
Martin, your analysis between the attitudes on Covid 19 of China and the West is comprehensive and pragmatic. Thank you very much. Do stay safe and healthy!
@suezcontours6653
@suezcontours6653 Жыл бұрын
Chinese are humble, that's how. The West seeks to control everyone and everything.
@autumnfar3114
@autumnfar3114 Жыл бұрын
@@suezcontours6653 I agree with your view
@kptsang1
@kptsang1 Жыл бұрын
Especially on the description of a leader who behaved in an uneducated manner putting unqualified family members to lead the fight on Covid
@hsingchen5141
@hsingchen5141 Жыл бұрын
Where there is a will, there is a way. China has succeeded in reducing the number of Covid deaths and US has succeeded in reducing the number of non-productive citizens thus reducing the burden on the government.
@DanBurgaud
@DanBurgaud Жыл бұрын
LOL!
@kateoneal4215
@kateoneal4215 Жыл бұрын
Non-"productive"?
@hazeroth
@hazeroth Жыл бұрын
What?! Non-productive? So off to the grave, huh? I’d like to see you maintain that stance when you’re ill or feeble.
@surjatjandra3270
@surjatjandra3270 Жыл бұрын
The charismatic christian are non productive. Tax thieves. The world leech and toxic.
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA Жыл бұрын
According to WHO, India had 4.7 million death toll relating to covid19. Till date, they are still having a "debate" with WHO regarding their covid19 death toll.....A *debate* 🤭...just like how often they are having "debates" with almost every statistical indexes that paints them in a bad light such as their global hunger index etc. and so on.
@unifieddynasty
@unifieddynasty Жыл бұрын
What are you doing? Stop frivolously attacking India.
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA Жыл бұрын
@@unifieddynasty Who are you to tell me what to do? If you are not happy with facts, it is a *YOU* problem. Factual reporting is not "frivolously attacking India". Tell me which part of my comment is false?
@unifieddynasty
@unifieddynasty Жыл бұрын
@@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA Are you aware of how hard China and India are working right now to deescalate and normalize relations again? Who are you actually benefitting when you post your inflammatory comments at this time?
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA Жыл бұрын
@@unifieddynasty Tell me which part of what I have written is false? Inflammatory comments? According to who? You? If you do not like facts, it is a *YOU* problem. When you have found your manhood, please tell me which part of my comment is false. 🤭
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA Жыл бұрын
@@unifieddynasty If you think a single comment or comments from youtube are able to influence the minds of these political leaders of the world, then you're sorely mistaken. You sound and think like an uneducated person. This is called the freedom of speech.
@monkeyking-self-proclaimed7050
@monkeyking-self-proclaimed7050 Жыл бұрын
The Chinese dealt with a lot of pandemic in their long history. They know the seriousness of it and have experience dealing with it.
@Dhsu4321
@Dhsu4321 Жыл бұрын
There have been many pandemics such as Black Death killing so many people, and the problems are that they never learn from the past lessons.
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: India is the only country that has Black Fungus epidemic during the global v19 pandemic. You got to wonder why... 9 May 2021 - Mucormycosis is a very rare infection. It is caused by exposure to mucor mould which is commonly found in soil, plants, manure , and decaying ... Ahh the wonders of the cow dung lotion ; )
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA
@THELASTWORKINGTOILETOFINDIA Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: 15 Jan 2021 - United Nations: India has the largest diaspora population in the world with 18 million people from the country living outside their homeland ; )
@sleepya3129
@sleepya3129 Жыл бұрын
Considering hundreds of millions of old people and children, although my economy is weakened, I don't care at all. Of course, this is just my personal view
@charlesyang4923
@charlesyang4923 Жыл бұрын
First of all, we all agree that Chinese has a very history-oriented thinking, and there exists many hard lessons-learned documented in Chinese history. Secondly and lastly we can also agree that Chinese is as pragmatic as any race in the world to deal with disease symtoms alike with alike medication or treatment. The truth is isolation & quarantine is the proven effective means descented when dealing with epidemics tracing going back to ancient dynasty period. Once known/unknown epidemic spread is confirmed, general populase as well as the emperior himself are all forced to do isolation & quarantine. Let's use the big empior's palace as an example. All sub-divisions for all price and princess including their respectrive daily life supporting/maintaining system are under strict restriction for isolation & quarantine.
@Liveforfood9394
@Liveforfood9394 Жыл бұрын
Many people still laughing at China now, but forgotten about their own failures even up until today.
@50_Pence
@50_Pence Жыл бұрын
Came here to read the bot comments
@BL-db6xt
@BL-db6xt Жыл бұрын
indeed Chinese Governance is comprehensively far better than the West in not only fighting the Covid-19 but also in Empliment of Policies on Economics, Social development (inclusive society/economy) & especially Diplomatic reaching out. More & more nations get closer & closer cooperation with China despite the US solemn order to contain China. More nations would like to join the BRICS or Shanghai Corporation Organization or SOC.
@ag7075
@ag7075 Жыл бұрын
What the CPP is better at than western country is the oppression of freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom to have as many children as you like, freedom of elections. China fails at creating new technologies, is very racist, and is riddled with propaganda.
@qake2021
@qake2021 Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳👌👌👌👏👏👏
@bellatouta
@bellatouta Жыл бұрын
What about Africa? South America? etc.. the world is not only about the west or China.
@umnuaysaehau875
@umnuaysaehau875 Жыл бұрын
A great and enlightening discussion indeed!
@computer-ot8si
@computer-ot8si Жыл бұрын
why else can you say by now ? hahah
@margaretgreenwood4243
@margaretgreenwood4243 Жыл бұрын
👌
@JenHope118
@JenHope118 Жыл бұрын
Thank you .
@ChenLinYu323
@ChenLinYu323 Жыл бұрын
wow,this video aged well.
@ag7075
@ag7075 Жыл бұрын
Please comment on the protests going on in Shanghai in regard to failed lockdown policies. Come on Martin, grow some balls for once.
@tatoverde9312
@tatoverde9312 Жыл бұрын
It is inexistant yet everyone peddles it. Doing well or bad is perception, business, narrative, even idiosity.
@DIRKDIGG88
@DIRKDIGG88 Жыл бұрын
Asians listen and evaluate. Westerns just don't
@ag7075
@ag7075 Жыл бұрын
Absolute rubbish.
@ag7075
@ag7075 Жыл бұрын
Lies spoken by liars. How do you sleep at night?
@mcrand7887
@mcrand7887 Жыл бұрын
China had not done so well even after 2 years of pandemic, it's still not under control and lock downs are still going on even today. Today China spending 3% of It's GDP on pandemic.
@duaneowens7777
@duaneowens7777 Жыл бұрын
i agree
@thetreekeeper143
@thetreekeeper143 Жыл бұрын
I'm in China now and yes, small parts of China are in lockdown but yes you can say it's not doing well. But I have to say it's doing 100 times better economically than in Europe.
@mcrand7887
@mcrand7887 Жыл бұрын
@@thetreekeeper143 European economy is getting destroyed by none other then it's own leaders with mindless sanctions on Russia, not by covid policy, but China can do better if it drops zero-covid policy, there are protest and riots in foxconn due to zero-covid policy (though China denies it) there are still lock downs in some cities. China's TV even censoring FIFA world cup by not showing people in stadium enjoying football without the masks.
@kateoneal4215
@kateoneal4215 Жыл бұрын
The new varient is of very little concern. Both sickness and deaths are far lower now than other diseases. Good program, otherwise.
@nanyanguo1
@nanyanguo1 Жыл бұрын
till the covid is all wiped out across the world , the virus is still a concern as it mutates n you never know how another subsequent variant/s will pan out. The current omicron variant or subvariants are still a concern as they are highly infectious which means more workers on sick leave.
@cinpeace353
@cinpeace353 Жыл бұрын
Far lower but still a threat to elder people who are weak. My mom passed away because of COVID two months ago in Canada. She already had 3 doses of vaccine. It is little concern to general public, but huge lost to individuals. Hope China could find a way to lower the inconvenience to their people.
@zanxu3918
@zanxu3918 Жыл бұрын
China is in fact not doing well. They stopped some outbreaks at the expense of the economy and the livelihood of many of their people. I have received MANY inquiries from friends and relatives back home about leaving China and coming to Canada because they simply can’t go on as they are.
@ABritishRefugeeinChina
@ABritishRefugeeinChina Жыл бұрын
Yes, lives above economy. China is doing fine. Stop believing all the gloom and doom. I've lived in China for 14 years. For the last 3 years, we have led relatively normal lives apart from 2 and a half months of lockdown total for me in Shanghai. As a result, I don't know anyone who got COVID, and I know over 1,000 people. Brilliant job!
@goldsilvervscrisiscollapse4320
@goldsilvervscrisiscollapse4320 Жыл бұрын
Then leave, maybe your friends and family will appreciate getting sick from it and losing grandparents to it too
@0124019001
@0124019001 Жыл бұрын
Between both which do you think is must important ? What if this were to happen to you or your family or should I say the lost of one of yr family member.
@zeyulee
@zeyulee Жыл бұрын
You can only conclude from your description that you and your many friends are just selfish individuals who care less about other people's health + you are also far away from wisdom as you guys clearly lack long-term thinking, especially in terms of risk management
@CondenseFact
@CondenseFact Жыл бұрын
There's nothing stopping them from staying or leaving though is there? 中國來去自由.
@Mitchellvriend
@Mitchellvriend Жыл бұрын
Propaganda haha look even his Mao shirt, I can't hahahaha Meanwhile the West is living a normal life again and in China people are detained in an Ikea when a corona patient visited xD
@mottscottison6943
@mottscottison6943 Жыл бұрын
"Normal life". Look at your death toll which is still increasing each day. Of course you can't. That's why you are here venting to feel better.
@carmenlajoie2719
@carmenlajoie2719 Жыл бұрын
CP is a labor party created by farmer's to end Colonialism. We should all have it
@ag7075
@ag7075 Жыл бұрын
@@mottscottison6943 CCP shill
@lennon_richardson
@lennon_richardson Жыл бұрын
China is doing well? 🤔
@PutXi_Whipped
@PutXi_Whipped Жыл бұрын
Better than the US and Western Europe. Fewer deaths while also avoiding recession.
@Jane-ch9yb
@Jane-ch9yb Жыл бұрын
It is amazing all the faulty actions and bad policies in Europe and America in teh pandemic against COVID are so quickly forgotten. The Western media can distort the information even further to turn black into white.
@scy3894
@scy3894 Жыл бұрын
You don’t think so?
@Utoko
@Utoko Жыл бұрын
@@PutXi_Whipped They lost more GPD growth. China had 6 % before Covid they wanted to get back to that but then adjusted to 5.5%. Turns out now their own forecast is 3.5%. The US was at ~2 % growth for many years and are now back at 2.4%. China still puts their own economy down with lockdowns. They are not able to adjust their 'Zero Covid' policy or their vaccine is a lot worse, so there have to still lock down every new outbreak.
@etlay5684
@etlay5684 Жыл бұрын
They are doing much better than the West. Without the harsh measure that China took, the rest of the world would be much worst , you would not even have toilet paper for your B.
@videomaniac108
@videomaniac108 Жыл бұрын
Well, I suppose that the West could have locked down their countries to a similar extent to which China has done and have suffered the same consequences, severe deprivation of the citizens of various localities along with mass protests, but then China is not known for having much concern for human rights and well being. In the West, the government exists to serve the needs and interests; in China, the people exist to serve the interest and comfort of the CCP. As things have turned out, I don't think that the Western countries have suffered so badly, in comparison to China, as a result of their policies in dealing with Covid. Add to this the fact that the Western mRNA vaccines have greatly outperformed the Chinese vaccines that were highly derivative of the older vaccine technology that the West had pioneered many years ago. China's vitriolic and fervent anti US propaganda program notwithstanding, I think most people who have a choice in the matter would not want to live under a government that is as oppressive as China's - for the few highly dubious benefits it offers in comparison to the West.
@jinsamsara3259
@jinsamsara3259 Жыл бұрын
what oppression? You westerners are so full of yourself, freedom does not mean you can do whatever you want without caring for people around you or the society as a whole.
@videomaniac108
@videomaniac108 Жыл бұрын
@@jinsamsara3259 If you're saying that China is not a severely oppressive society then I would suggest you consult any of the numerous independent international NGOs that have consistently ranked China at or near the bottom in their lists of the rankings of countries. These organizations are not affiliated with any particular country and have been highly critical of the US and some other Western countries when the evidence merited it. As an example, I'm talking about organizations like Human Rights Watch and Amesty International, just to mention a couple. The consensus of world opinion is not on your side comrade, sorry if the truth hurts.
@rap3208
@rap3208 Жыл бұрын
You locked down for two years anyway but it was an ineffective lockdown. While you were locked down, China enjoyed that two years covid free and lived a normal life. It was only this year when they allowed more outsiders to come inside China that covid again reared its ugly head that they had to lock down affected cities due to their zero covid policy. Bullshit with your human rights, the ultimate human right is human life. Scorecard: China total covid deaths = less than 6,000, US = 1,085,313 with about 3,000 still dying everyweek to this day.
@btgan9227
@btgan9227 Жыл бұрын
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@zeyulee
@zeyulee Жыл бұрын
Millions of death + huge inflation (partially caused by printing money due to poor management on COVID) + shrinking of labor due to long COVID, all these together for you is something called "not suffered so badly"??? If you make every judgement based on your biased ideology, you are far away from truth.
@frankcoates4609
@frankcoates4609 Жыл бұрын
Xi Jinping is a superstar genius Chinese leader whose intelligence and wisdom is the best in the world, the world is excited about his plan for peace and prosperity for humanity. His compassion and no limits inclusiveness and tolerance is making the west tremble with humiliation and resentment as they squabble ineffectually in their dying drug addled regimes.
@doefagtohd
@doefagtohd Жыл бұрын
kinda bad now to be honest
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