The Panic Paper (JWST) - Sixty Symbols

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Sixty Symbols

Sixty Symbols

Жыл бұрын

Mike Merrifield discusses a new paper about early data from the JWST - and why it is not cause for panic!
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The Panic Paper itself: arxiv.org/abs/2207.09428
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@foobarbarbar210
@foobarbarbar210 Жыл бұрын
So glad we still get those videos. A glimpse of calm in those trying times.
@snickers6125
@snickers6125 Жыл бұрын
Luckily our "trying times" is astronomically easier then any other time in history
@foobarbarbar210
@foobarbarbar210 Жыл бұрын
@@snickers6125 true, but it’s the time we actually live in
@JorgetePanete
@JorgetePanete Жыл бұрын
@@snickers6125 than*
@snickers6125
@snickers6125 Жыл бұрын
@@JorgetePanete it's a comment. Not an essay. Obviously ypur not smart enough to add anything of value so you resort to spell checking to hide the fact that your on the spectrum
@MichaelKingsfordGray
@MichaelKingsfordGray Жыл бұрын
Why do you cower behind an infantile fake name?
@flymypg
@flymypg Жыл бұрын
It should have been: "Panic! At the disks, oh" Then everyone would have gotten the joke. Be sure to catch that in the edit.
@iseriver3982
@iseriver3982 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the people who are writing articles about this paper wouldn't care how great the joke is. They just want to push their agenda.
@cumulus1869
@cumulus1869 Жыл бұрын
GENIUS.
@purecountry6672
@purecountry6672 Жыл бұрын
"I Wright Sins Not Tragedies" Great song!
@somethingsinlife5600
@somethingsinlife5600 Жыл бұрын
Panic! At the Disks? Oh!
@joshuahensley9395
@joshuahensley9395 Жыл бұрын
You are vastly over estimating the human race.
@Stewi1014
@Stewi1014 Жыл бұрын
"Degraded a little bit but still better than it was expected to be" That's what I like to hear! (not the degradation part, but the robust engineering part)
@RhodianColossus
@RhodianColossus Жыл бұрын
Delightful that the decade of delays was not for nothing!
@dylanwolf
@dylanwolf Жыл бұрын
All the qualities we expect from the Bradyverse. Level-headed news from the world of astrophysics, maths, chemistry, technology and science in general, delivered in an informative, understandable, short and entertaining video. Thank you, Brady - keeping asking those questions that we would like to ask.
@gammaraygem
@gammaraygem Жыл бұрын
All the qualities we expect from the Bradyverse. Only TEN times more smooth galaxies than predicted??? In what course or school will you NOT get kicked out and fail miserably at whatever you were supposed to do? Its astronomy bro, here anything goes. People get away with the wildest stuff. In physics, we just create more data, in astronomy we´d like to do that too, but since we dont have those, and are limited to observation, we use imagination. Not facts. they are bothersome. And very sparse. If you did in physics what we do in astronomy, they´d laugh you out the room.
@Rick-em8bm
@Rick-em8bm Жыл бұрын
Yeah, seriously... it's not often KZfaq schmucks like me hear the words "I'm delighted that I was wrong" ...and thanks to the man that uttered them.✌
@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you
@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you Жыл бұрын
I understand Brady's comment about pre-print servers. But I personally think they serve the fundamental purpose of science which is free and open knowledge sharing. Journals tend to put huge paywalls around papers, charge fees to the scientists for the 'privilege' of publication (those same scientists still have to pay huge subscription fees to read it and others - usually Universities stump the costs so Journals gouge them for all their worth). And after all that.... theres still no guarantees on the quality of the papers as how Journals implement peer review is subject to their own choices.... and there are numerous examples of seriously bad science being legitimised because it was 'published'. Pre-print runs the same quality risks as someone can upload rubbish, but equally, everyone, free of charge, globally, can read all uploaded papers and share knowledge rapidly... which is what science is about. Doing research, making observations about the universe and adding to the wealth of human knowledge purely for the sake of adding to human knowledge forever. Journals exist in the world and thats not going to change vut them acting as gatekeepers to the knowledge and putting substantial limits to their access (via paywalls) helps no one but the owners/shareholders of the journals. They have a prestige, and that for good or bad wont go away, but I do think they are the bane of the scientific world.
@douglasboyle6544
@douglasboyle6544 Жыл бұрын
I think he was asking the question to get the answer he got from Mike, sometimes you have to ask questions sounding like a dunce to get your subject to make sure people don't leave wondering that question themselves.
@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you
@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you Жыл бұрын
@@douglasboyle6544 100% agree
@AstroMikeMerri
@AstroMikeMerri Жыл бұрын
I agree completely. But the question I was answering was, if a paper is being submitted to a journal for publication, should it be preprinted at the point of initial submission, or only once it has been accepted for publication.
@leogama3422
@leogama3422 Жыл бұрын
@@AstroMikeMerri The media is who should distinguish between pre-print and reviewed papers when reporting (and probably almost never write about unfinished work). Scientists already know that they shouldn't cite or assume as valid results from non reviewed research. But the clickbait temptation seems to be overwhelming to these journalists
@AstroMikeMerri
@AstroMikeMerri Жыл бұрын
@@leogama3422 since a journalist who picked this up attributed the work to researchers Cornell because they host the arXiv preprint server, I think expecting him to understand the difference between peer-reviewed and un-peer-reviewed papers might be a bit of a stretch!
@jamgall1010
@jamgall1010 Жыл бұрын
You could say that the JWST team had HIGH HOPES.
@EleanorServiss
@EleanorServiss Жыл бұрын
You could say the grad students were shooting for the stars when they couldn't make a killing
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Жыл бұрын
@@EleanorServiss The telescope cost one trillion dimes, but they always had a vision
@Altorin
@Altorin Жыл бұрын
Oh man the explanation is really cool. So Hubble is seeing redshifted Ultraviolet and JWST is picking up optical light which is redshifted into injared so you see the same galaxies more clearly with better resolution, seeing elements of the galaxies that hubble just couldn't see.... So we were effectively just seeing the star formation in the distant galaxies... and not seeing all of the stars that are born... so it looked chaotic. wow that is really awesome. Please Post more Mike videos for JWST I could listen to him talk about it for hours
@Altorin
@Altorin Жыл бұрын
It's neat that Hubble, in a sense still has a use, even with JWST capturing clearer images, Hubble can better isolate the high energy light from those distant galaxies. JWST can see the galaxies clearer, but I would argue there is something to be gained by taking a holistic view of the galaxies - both images are right, and there can definitely be some value in seeing just the star formation in distant galaxies. It might be hard to think of a *practical* use for that value.... but who knows.
@gammaraygem
@gammaraygem Жыл бұрын
Yeah..only problem: such smooth galaxies werent supposed to exist at all in an early universe, and now there are ten times more than anticipated. "we have to rethink how we thought galaxies are formed". Another ad hoc explanation, like dark matter . If you did in particle physics what we do in astronomy, they´d laugh you out the room.
@thepeff
@thepeff Жыл бұрын
Well I was going to panic but when I read the helpful words "DON'T PANIC" I was properly assured.
@HermanVonPetri
@HermanVonPetri Жыл бұрын
I don't panic because I always know where my towel is.
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Жыл бұрын
Especially when it's inscribed in large friendly letters.
@Varksterable
@Varksterable Жыл бұрын
@@HermanVonPetri Sas that hoopy frood Herman Von Peetri.
@daveys
@daveys Жыл бұрын
@@HermanVonPetri - You Sir are one hoopy frood. ;-)
@CalvinHikes
@CalvinHikes Жыл бұрын
It is interesting that the word don't panic created mild panic. And especially within the scientific community, that's the opposite of reassuring!
@astroferreira
@astroferreira Жыл бұрын
I might change the title to Don't Panic! And Thanks for All the Disks! Thanks for the video on the paper ;)
@LucasGregolon
@LucasGregolon Жыл бұрын
Marrapaz, Leozito! Veio parar no Sixty Simbols!!! Eu tô felizão por ti hahaha
@LucasGregolon
@LucasGregolon Жыл бұрын
Essa troca de título ia ser foda uhahuahuauha
@neildutoit5177
@neildutoit5177 Жыл бұрын
You should not be required to change the title of your papers to avoid misinterpretation by idiots. Whatever you find most effective to do science, including using jokes if that's what you want to do, doesn't matter as long as you producing science.
@astroferreira
@astroferreira Жыл бұрын
@@neildutoit5177 paper was accepted for publication with the title as is :)
@nickcalmes8987
@nickcalmes8987 Жыл бұрын
Whew thank goodness the damage to JWST isn’t as serious as I thought may have occurred! Thank you for relieving my concerns there
@nuru666
@nuru666 Жыл бұрын
First time I saw the article for it I nearly dropped my phone, I was really relieved when I finished the article and knew it was all going to be ok
@katymaloney
@katymaloney Жыл бұрын
Just here to say the title of that paper is hilariously flawless. No notes. Perfection. 😂 Publish as is.
@davidhoward437
@davidhoward437 Жыл бұрын
Bollocks. Stick to your Bible and leave serious science alone.
@algorythmis4805
@algorythmis4805 Жыл бұрын
@@davidhoward437 what
@katymaloney
@katymaloney Жыл бұрын
@@algorythmis4805 Must've been dropped on his head a few times, that one...! xD
@tomschmidt381
@tomschmidt381 Жыл бұрын
I hate when the popular press states this of that new finding is a cause of panic or proves old knowledge is wrong. The entire reason to build JWST was to find out new stuff. That is exciting not a cause for panic. A better notion is that all theories are to some degree limited and new measurements expand the boundaries of our knowledge. Einstein did not prove Newton was wrong, he expanded our knowledge beyond what Newton did.
@jursamaj
@jursamaj Жыл бұрын
Indeed, in the low speed and gravity realms Newton worked in, Newtons formulae are near perfect approximations to relativity. The biggest anomaly we had for it before Einstein was a shift in Mercury's orbit by about 1/100 of a degree per century. That is a really close approximation.
@Zayden.
@Zayden. Жыл бұрын
I look at it more as Kepler's model displacing the Ptolemaic model. The LCDM model is being discredited by new data coming in from JWST.
@jursamaj
@jursamaj Жыл бұрын
@@Zayden. Which new data do you think is doing that? And what astrophysicist has claimed it does?
@MrHeroicDemon
@MrHeroicDemon Жыл бұрын
Haha! Yesss, Destin from Smartereveryday's dad worked on JWST for measurements , super interesting and love the ending there. Great work and thank you for the info! Love these channels since like 2011-2012 perodictablevideos was just the best for chemistry.
@DC73rr
@DC73rr Жыл бұрын
To all those that have, and are, working on the JWST. THANK YOU.
@sumerian_robot9561
@sumerian_robot9561 Жыл бұрын
I follow this subject and him on Twitter and it's been a hell of a week!
@Mutual_Information
@Mutual_Information Жыл бұрын
If Merrifield isn’t panicking, neither am I. (But part of me was hoping he was)
@Djorgal
@Djorgal Жыл бұрын
"So, Professor, how panicked should we be?" "Somewhere between not at all and entirely." "I call entirely!!!!"
@DwainDwight
@DwainDwight Жыл бұрын
thanks for this. well done. post more.
@letMeSayThatInIrish
@letMeSayThatInIrish Жыл бұрын
happy to hear that "even after the meteoroid impacts the quality of the telescope is higher than specifications at launch"
@RFC-3514
@RFC-3514 Жыл бұрын
They should hire those meteoroids to build the next one.
@MrAY0000
@MrAY0000 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for someone from here to talk about JWST.
@jessicademarchi5786
@jessicademarchi5786 Жыл бұрын
The title is brilliant!
@Varksterable
@Varksterable Жыл бұрын
A 'like' is not sufficient for this video. I had to comment too. But I don't really have much to add. Brady and Mike yet again give us a calm, insightful and understandable summary of topical science. How does Brady with his journalist background do this??!? How does Mike with... oh. Go YT algorithm, go!
@tassiehandyman3090
@tassiehandyman3090 Жыл бұрын
I'm with the Professor, I thought there would probably be some minor glitch in JWST that would render it unusable, but there is no better feeling than being wrong sometimes...😁🇦🇺👍
@McLovinMods
@McLovinMods Жыл бұрын
The Fidelity of those JWST photos just blows my mind.I sure hope to live long enough to see the stars with my own eyes.... if we don't do ourselves up first....
@kurtilein3
@kurtilein3 Жыл бұрын
Umm, what? Never seen the night sky?
@mostlyokay
@mostlyokay Жыл бұрын
Look up on a sunny day and you'll see the closest star we've got
@masonherlihy717
@masonherlihy717 Жыл бұрын
Brady, ur a legend. Thank you
@pierre1856
@pierre1856 Жыл бұрын
Read a few articles about the subject and then I was waiting so hard for Mike to comment on it
@andrzejthethinone1577
@andrzejthethinone1577 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this.
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown Жыл бұрын
So good to see Prof. Merrifield on Sixty Symbols again! It'd been so long since last we saw him that I have to confess that I was about to panic, but this video came to the rescue in nick of time -- now I'm calm again!
@ericl1421
@ericl1421 Жыл бұрын
'A process of communication with the community.' - 2:06 One could also say 'peers'. 😃 Peer review isn't some small number of editors of some journal deciding with very limited time per paper submitted whether it should be seen.
@HexerPsy
@HexerPsy Жыл бұрын
So from 5 to 50% more disk type galaxies.... What are the optinal explanations for this new data then? Did collisions occur earlier than expected? Do they resolve more quickly into disks? Did fewer collisions occur? Do galaxies form into disk more often without collisions anyway? Where are we going with this?
@DavidJJJ
@DavidJJJ Жыл бұрын
I think it’s clear, panic!
@0xTJ
@0xTJ Жыл бұрын
Great video! Love JWST and letting a little air out of some overly sensational headlines.
@ReeTM
@ReeTM Жыл бұрын
Great summation. Thank you uploader!
@TheManglerPolishDeathMetal
@TheManglerPolishDeathMetal Жыл бұрын
master is back !
@MushookieMan
@MushookieMan Жыл бұрын
Keep calm and carry on
@ketsuekikumori9145
@ketsuekikumori9145 Жыл бұрын
Damn it! Forgot my towel!
@ANunes06
@ANunes06 Жыл бұрын
JWST Team - "Hey Look, Ma. I Made It."
@ArtDeGuerra
@ArtDeGuerra Жыл бұрын
Great way to get a cushie gov job
@andymouse
@andymouse Жыл бұрын
Slightly off topic (actually quite a lot) do you still have a Secondary Ion Mass Spectrometer manufactured by VG Ionex and sold to Nottingham Uni and it is called a 'SIMS Lab 3A' it's probably about 30 years plus old and would have been used in Physics Lab for Material Science research and studies including Surface Science, Depth Profiling and Static/Dynamic SIMS. Quite easy to spot it has a stainless steel 'football' shaped metal chamber with ports dotted around it and works under Ultra High Vacuum and it's rather large please ?
@1.4142
@1.4142 Жыл бұрын
My teachers were talking about how the big bang was "disproved" today lol. Should have watched this earlier.
@GameTimeWhy
@GameTimeWhy Жыл бұрын
Do you go to a religious school?
@el.blanco8961
@el.blanco8961 Жыл бұрын
It's not disproved but it's weird seeing such large and mature galaxy structures so early in the universe
@GameTimeWhy
@GameTimeWhy Жыл бұрын
@@el.blanco8961 science is so cool as our technology gets better and better.
@1.4142
@1.4142 Жыл бұрын
@@GameTimeWhy It's a small school, and to be fair they weren't science teachers.
@jasonlough6640
@jasonlough6640 Жыл бұрын
What would the universe have looked like from one of those galaxies 12B years ago? Would the sky be noticeably different than today? Multiple visible spiral galaxies because theyre all closer together? Or just the same. What did the milky way look like back then?
@RobotTheIndustrial
@RobotTheIndustrial Жыл бұрын
The typesetting is so gorgeous! I love latex
@zacharytuttle5618
@zacharytuttle5618 Жыл бұрын
It's interesting to think that we could be seeing the real colors of these far away and early galaxies instead of an interpretation of ultraviolet, assuming we were correctly shifting the light back.
@pj20050
@pj20050 Жыл бұрын
What were the galaxies predicted to look like before Hubble and JWST?
@beachboardfan9544
@beachboardfan9544 Жыл бұрын
6:35 Whats the scoop with that one of jupiter looking so weird?
@jppagetoo
@jppagetoo Жыл бұрын
I wish they would give us more pictures from the JWST. I have that dust cloud picture as my computer desktop picture. I look at it all the time. Amazing picture. I assume that it will be surpassed when more pictures are released.
@RealUlrichLeland
@RealUlrichLeland Жыл бұрын
I love the hitchhiker's reference in the thumbnail
@NousSpeak
@NousSpeak Жыл бұрын
I wonder what this observation about greater order in early galaxies suggests about Dark Matter?
@Fuxx90
@Fuxx90 Жыл бұрын
The depiction of the redshift is wrong: in the video the transition goes from blue to pink to red. But pink does not appear in a spectrum (because its a mixture of red and blue). It should go from blue to green to yellow to red.
@RFC-3514
@RFC-3514 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Looks like whoever did the animation used "shortest route" interpolation instead of following the actual spectrum.
@WannabeWant3D
@WannabeWant3D Жыл бұрын
Isn't that redshift at 3:05 going the wrong way around the colour wheel? Shouldn't it go through the rainbow from blue to red?
@tactical1981
@tactical1981 Жыл бұрын
I like this dude. Really easy to listen to. Nice and clear for idiots like me!
@capn_boxfort
@capn_boxfort Жыл бұрын
They *did* tell us to face these kinds of things with a sense of poise and rationality, tbf
@judicatoraldaris7604
@judicatoraldaris7604 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if I have questions for nottingham university can I ask it here
@IterativeTheoryRocks
@IterativeTheoryRocks Жыл бұрын
Marvellous!
@sociallyinept5430
@sociallyinept5430 Жыл бұрын
I imagine from our perspective, if we looked out and all them years ago it was an energized unorganized something that didn't form and it was light. The light from the beginning would look like a bubble that has a radius that equal a bunch of light years, not buzz. Looks like it was darkness still.
@iteerrex8166
@iteerrex8166 Жыл бұрын
Woulda been cool if JWST had a laser defense system to protect itself?
@geoffreykeane4072
@geoffreykeane4072 Жыл бұрын
Deflector screens. Don’t these designers watch any classic Trek.
@fluffly3606
@fluffly3606 Жыл бұрын
Laser weapons are in the early prototype stage at this point and even then such a system would be very heavy, very expensive and have a lot of figurative and possibly literal moving parts. In addition to the emitter itself you'd need a pretty substantial power source, a non-trivial cooling system (remember, vacuum), some kind of sensor to detect and track targets and a computer to control it all, all of which must be rated for spaceflight.
@JEFulp
@JEFulp Жыл бұрын
This is such an amazing example of why the JWST needed to exist!!
@treborheminway3814
@treborheminway3814 Жыл бұрын
With the jwst, shouldn't you change the phrase to "Cold off the Press" ?? 😃😃
@MCPhssthpok
@MCPhssthpok Жыл бұрын
Oh dear, that redshift animation, going from blue to red by going violet!
@RFC-3514
@RFC-3514 Жыл бұрын
@Just Looking - That's not the issue. The issue is it should go from blue to green to yellow to red. It would never go through shades of purple.
@myleswillis
@myleswillis Жыл бұрын
Oh Leonardo Ferreira, with these bad jokes you are really spoiling us.
@astroferreira
@astroferreira Жыл бұрын
at your service
@reinux
@reinux Жыл бұрын
Can someone explain what the professor means by "better-behaved, less dramatic optical light"? Is there something particular to the visible spectrum that's the reason for why we're most sensitive to it?
@richardjanowski
@richardjanowski Жыл бұрын
Maybe the playful title is intentional, meaning it suggests to readers that it's still only pre-print, and that if/when it's peer-reviewed it will get a title with more gravitas.
@Xe4ro
@Xe4ro Жыл бұрын
The Fab Four paper joke was changed so this one might be as well? :P
@MassDefibrillator
@MassDefibrillator Жыл бұрын
Let's see if I've misunderstood it, because I think it does challenged LCDM. I'll write down my interpretation before watching the video, and see if it's challenged at all by the video. Galaxy evolution is an important fitting parameter for LCDM, particularly in terms of fitting it to tolman tests. The Panic paper constrains the freedom of this fitting parameter in a way that potentially causes LCDM to be unable to fit to tolman tests in the way it has done so in the past. Tolman tests are a fundamental test of redshift being caused by expansion that are independent of fitting parameters such as dark energy and dark matter. Edit: nope, sadly the video did not engage with the interpretation that does challenge LCDM. To be more specific, the reason the paper constrains this fitting parameter in such a way is because it finds evidence that galaxy mergers are a lot less likely than previously thought; currently, there is not any other accepted mechanism to evolve galaxies in the ways needed to fit LCDM to tolman tests. Here are the relevant excerpts from the paper: > It is now well established that galaxies as observed with HST become smaller and more irregular/peculiar at higher redshifts, and this has been accounted for by the merger process for a significant fraction (40%-50%) of systems (Conselice 2014). ... > However, it does appear from an initial analysis that there are far more disk galaxies at high redshift than originally thought with HST. We in fact find that at the highest redshifts probed by HST there are in fact up to 10 times more disk galaxies than we had thought, based on the JWST visual morphologies. This implies that disk galaxies have existed in large numbers for quite a significant amount of time. This may mean that the morphologies of some disk galaxies, such as the Milky Way, have remained in their current form for over 10 billion years. This would challenge our ideas about mergers being a very common process... So yes, the Paper does indeed challenge the interpretation of redshift as expansion when its conclusions are interpreted in terms of the tolman tests. I find it very alarming that people appear to be wilfully ignoring this very valid interpretation.
@noreaction1
@noreaction1 Жыл бұрын
If we use filters on our telescope that measure certain specific frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum, how do we capture images of deeply redshifted objects whose same components are no longer presenting to the telescope at the frequencies they would if they weren’t redshifted at all?
@mkyfinn73
@mkyfinn73 Жыл бұрын
you dont
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 Жыл бұрын
Could we get some JWST deep field images like the Hubble deep field images?
@MrMegaMetroid
@MrMegaMetroid Жыл бұрын
Well, the first images released WAS a deep field of the exact location hubble took a picture of in its deep field. Because of webbs deep infrared capabilities, it was even deeper than hubbles, revealing never before seen galaxies even further away. The fun thing is: this was taken in less than 12 hours, while hubble took 2 weeks to do the same thing. And still webbs was of higher quality. They did announce plans to do week long deep fields with webb though, which i personally cannot wait for cause 12h already broke any record we ever had effortlessly and by a huge margin
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 Жыл бұрын
@@MrMegaMetroid the only thing that will probably ever beat it would be a centrifugal parabolic liquid mirror on the moon.
@MrMegaMetroid
@MrMegaMetroid Жыл бұрын
@@sethapex9670 oh there is certainly alot of headroom where satellite based telescopes can go, i think a successor to webb would certainly be feasible in satellite form
@woufff_
@woufff_ Жыл бұрын
Don't panic is the best start to about anything
@marcusfromsweden
@marcusfromsweden Жыл бұрын
Hmmm, what if .... these findings are be due to facts relating to how we calculate the the ages of these galaxies, instead of a lack in understanding of galaxy formation in the early universe... Another Great upload :o)
@marcusfromsweden
@marcusfromsweden Жыл бұрын
*instead of/also
@MattiasFlodin
@MattiasFlodin Жыл бұрын
Phew, I thought this would be about more of the unexpectedly large meteorites hitting JWST
@TheCleric42
@TheCleric42 Жыл бұрын
That’s like the famous NMR paper written by Bax, Max, and Zacs, that appeared in JACS.
@stonemannerie
@stonemannerie Жыл бұрын
Could it be that the amount of meteorites at that point in space/orbit was underestimated? Or how was/is the likeliness of the JWST getting hit by tiny meteorites determined anyway?
@JohnDoe-xp4iy
@JohnDoe-xp4iy Жыл бұрын
If I remember right, it was designed to withstand micro meteorites. The one that did the damage was larger than what it was designed to 'deflect with minimal damage'. Don't quote me on this, I'm going off memory alone.
@porteal8986
@porteal8986 Жыл бұрын
when I saw 'panic paper' I was worried something happened to the jwst, that's a relief
@austinbutts3000
@austinbutts3000 Жыл бұрын
Alternative title: I plot spins not trajectories
@sparkyy0007
@sparkyy0007 Жыл бұрын
7:60 ...do you think they bought it ?
@raditz9676
@raditz9676 Жыл бұрын
When I've seen "Panic!" I was crying... crying at the discoteque...
@GPT-4_Beta
@GPT-4_Beta Жыл бұрын
I did not get the reference in the title - or find it funny. But it has served one purpose: It showed, who only read titles before forming an opinion and who actually reads and understands the two gazillion pages that follow. So the title was perfect.
@GreatGloves
@GreatGloves Жыл бұрын
Greetings from Finland!
@jakubhostinsky4482
@jakubhostinsky4482 Жыл бұрын
To be nitpicky: 2:54 when waves are getting longer, they should not go through magenta as there is no light of this color. I guess it should go through white instead.
@RFC-3514
@RFC-3514 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that progression makes no sense. If something starts out as blue and gets redshifted, it goes towards _green_ (and _then_ red). The only way it would go from blue to violet would be if it was moving _towards_ the observer (and it would never go to magenta, because that would require a mix of two wavelengths).
@ZBritt92
@ZBritt92 Жыл бұрын
@@RFC-3514 while I initially thought this the graphic might be misleading. And "purple doesn't exist" is one of my favorite fun facts. You're wrong here. No matter what the graphic is going to be "wrong". The blue isn't the initial color of the light. Ultraviolet light has no color and neither does infrared. What they did to communicate the idea was to display the color as a mixture of light. Starting from pure blue, then adding more and more red light until it's pure red. If we didn't have a green/yellow cone, all visible light would be on the red to blue spectrum. Here it's shown that way because our brains can process that continuous gradient much easier than passing through the rainbow. If this were actually an episode about how our eyes process color, then sure they let us down. But that's really not the point here.
@StormsandSaugeye
@StormsandSaugeye Жыл бұрын
I write dust lanes not molecular cloud collapses. I loved the papers title and agreed with him that the world needs more panic! at the disco references.
@mosfet354
@mosfet354 Жыл бұрын
Can't see Atlas of Creation on Professor Merrifield's shelf any more
@sociallyinept5430
@sociallyinept5430 Жыл бұрын
Does seem there should be a bunch of light in the photos. Almost seems, from the diagram, that appears to show a "light" beginning, the area behind all the galaxies would be a curtain of light. This curtain of light must have covered all space, so no matter which way you look, you would have a lot background. Assuming I understand the diagram. Lol. I'm not panicking.
@anthonyhudson2265
@anthonyhudson2265 Жыл бұрын
I recommend that you look up "Cosmic Microwave Background"
@breeeesh
@breeeesh Жыл бұрын
Never did I think in a billion billion quantum worlds that I'd hear this man say "Panic! At the Disco"
@jojojorisjhjosef
@jojojorisjhjosef Жыл бұрын
I see future papers will have more citations and names than research and results.
@TubeOnRichard
@TubeOnRichard Жыл бұрын
If you are talking about something that has not been published, how does that cause "misunderstanding"?
@neddyladdy
@neddyladdy Жыл бұрын
I might one day understand the paper, more than can be said about the joke.
@fesimco4339
@fesimco4339 Жыл бұрын
7:29 It took damage so quickly; Why aren't we more worried about this? Also does anyone know if astronauts could replace a damage mirror?
@executivesteps
@executivesteps Жыл бұрын
No way!
@TRDario
@TRDario Жыл бұрын
It was overengineered to be better than what they wanted out of it, unless an unreasonable amount hits it, it's gonna be fine
@fesimco4339
@fesimco4339 Жыл бұрын
@@TRDario I don't even really get the 'overengineered' bit, presumably you build it the best you can. What I'm really curious about is; if it got hit in this short period of it being up there it seems like over time there would be many such hits assuming the first hit is our first datapoint in a Poisson distribution of collisions or was the reason for the first collision related to the settlement of the telescope and so there's no reason to expect any more?
@TRDario
@TRDario Жыл бұрын
@@fesimco4339 You usually don't build it the best you can because that'd require infinite funding. There's nothing strictly limiting about webb's design, but it's already extremely expensive as is. They draw a line in the sand and aim for some specs, in this case overshooting them a bit to have a buffer for impacts like this since they can't repair it like Hubble.
@fesimco4339
@fesimco4339 Жыл бұрын
@@TRDario Any idea re: future impacts?
@Andlekin
@Andlekin Жыл бұрын
I think for early releases of papers, they need to post at the very top of the paper something like "EARLY RELEASE! NOT FOR PUBLICATION! NOT PEER REVIEWED!"
@DestroManiak
@DestroManiak Жыл бұрын
What's wrong with being a little bombastic? I am enjoying the silliness it has generated.
@collinscody57
@collinscody57 Жыл бұрын
Isn't it just the scientific method we found new data and adjusted are theory appropriate?
@angustin6590
@angustin6590 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@Gukworks
@Gukworks Жыл бұрын
Its settled... Goddidit!
@IceMetalPunk
@IceMetalPunk Жыл бұрын
Whichever author decided to use that title is *my hero* and I love them. Also, wow, that is an old picture of the band -- look at little baby Brendon! 🤗
@executivesteps
@executivesteps Жыл бұрын
So your heroes are people creating fake news, misleading people while thinking that their “jokes” are funny?
@ShayWestrip
@ShayWestrip Жыл бұрын
I was told in scientific papers to never use exclams which I agree with on an ethical level. Why should science have to compete with the world of clickbaiting
@chaz000006
@chaz000006 Жыл бұрын
Just like Avi Loeb's claims that if we don't understand something, it's aliens !
@touching_grass
@touching_grass Жыл бұрын
I don't have formal research experience but in my opinion it seems like a relatively harmless joke. At least you can tell who hasn't read the paper haha
@TAP7a
@TAP7a Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, making a lighthearted joke in half a title of a preprint is worth thinking about on an ethical level, very proportionate response. Let’s weigh the full set of moral implications of one paper in a series of thousands to have funny titles rather than point out that the fault lies with the journos for not reading past the first word
@Alex_Deam
@Alex_Deam Жыл бұрын
It's a mild joke, not clickbait
@nmarbletoe8210
@nmarbletoe8210 Жыл бұрын
@@Alex_Deam Physicists probably got jealous of Biologists who were having too much fun naming species like Hemignathus vorpalis
@batfastard1636
@batfastard1636 Жыл бұрын
10/10 for the title
@lumburgapalooza
@lumburgapalooza Жыл бұрын
As a person whose first exposure to this paper was a person asking whether or not naming a pre-released paper a joking title might be misleading to the public, I'm going to say no. Also, you folks may want to go outside if you think this is an issue worth addressing. This isn't a "media outreach or public relations regarding science" issue, this is just a minor squabble a couple of nerds are having about how staunch to be in their diaries.
@StormsandSaugeye
@StormsandSaugeye Жыл бұрын
I'm on the side of "We need more Panic! At the Disco puns!"
@Pedozzi
@Pedozzi Жыл бұрын
Dont panic is a nice coldplay song
@xymaryai8283
@xymaryai8283 Жыл бұрын
it just clicked to me that JWST is a visible light telescope, but specifically at long ranges
@whoever6458
@whoever6458 Жыл бұрын
As the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy says, "Don't panic."
@Omeomeom
@Omeomeom Жыл бұрын
why are you so angry about the paper title? It's literally so fine and I like seeing titles nodding to culture they were cultivated in. I don't think science should be so prissy and think a people can't handle a pun/joke that a scientist makes.
@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time
@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time Жыл бұрын
Panic will come before change in our understanding!
@mynameisjeff9124
@mynameisjeff9124 Жыл бұрын
I love the title. Life is a game, don’t take it serious
@obiwanjacobi
@obiwanjacobi Жыл бұрын
Always bring your towel.
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