I found Peterson's Bible lectures in early 2018 and it was the first step on my way to Christ. Seeing the incredible intellectual weight of Christianity humbled me to see that Christians weren't just stupid and backwards. That was a big stumbling block for me, and of course I didn't know the first thing about Christianity, and assumed that all of my "brilliant" objections had no answers. Peterson helped me gain a lot of respect for religion and Christianity especially. Later that year I started watching debates with William Lane Craig, and actually listening with an open mind. I would think to myself, for the first time in my entire life, what if atheism is actually wrong; I called myself a free thinker who was governed by reason but I NEVER EVER put atheism under the microscope I put everything else. I'm still astounded how I could have been so blind. Once I started to see that atheism was sorely lacking, I then started to study the Bible and I would feel the tug on my heart. My heart was screaming "YESSS!!", and I gave my heart to Christ and even though I am in my mid 30s and life seems to get more difficult as you age, with more responsibilities, I have finally discovered the hidden reality that Christians always talked about, but pridefully I never thought possible. God has been a constant presence in my life, and I have felt more joy and hope that I had ever known before. i say to all atheists, the Christians were right, there is a reality that we were missing out on. It's all real!! It really is!

It’s incredible how God made salvation simple enough for the least intellectual among us, and complex enough for the most intellectual among us. Praise him!

Jesus saved my life for real. Depression, alcohol addictions and he gave me a new heart. In just 2 seconds.

God bless everyone reading this

These type of conversations are what the church needs to bring people, especially young men, back to the church

I am so glad that Bishop Baron and Jordan Peterson were able to have this conversation. There is a depth of knowledge that can be discerned. And I pray that we can learn from each other in Christ.

Prayers for you Mr. Peterson. If you spend too much time in the world it will bring pain. I hope your pain flees. Nature helps & Jesus Christ heals. I have had plenty of things that makes me wonder why but I do not question God's creation. Planets are moved to fulfill His words.

I love when he talks about Jesus, you can tell he’s on the very edge of his knowledge and he is doing his best to express it in a way without getting into mysticism

The last few sentences Bishop Baron said are the most beautiful. We can philosophy about God as much as we want, but he only becomes real once we experience how lost we are and how much God loves us, enough to demonstrate his love by dying for and forgiving us. We don't need to be eloquent academics or theologians to get there. It's mind-blowing.

Bishop Barron really out here evangelizing millions of young men and women through the medium of one of the deepest thinkers of our age. Deo Gratias. ☦️✝️📿

I love how Jordan manages to think about, and discuss typical Christian topics with a degree of novelty, which is damn near impossible in a religious culture saturated with cliches and platitudes. This may turn out to be Peterson's greatest value to the world.

I cannot listen to anything regarding the Lord Jesus Christ without welling up with tears, and it has always been this way for me, even if I am in public. Thank God for this feeling, and for the willingness in me to share this secret with you today. While I don't understand it, it feels good. In the moments of these tears welling up, I feel a great sadness and guilt within me for all the evils I have committed in my life, while at the same time feeling a great appreciation and love for the one who is perfect, who suffered a death I deserve a thousand times over but couldn't bear for five minutes. Somehow this is mixed with a third feeling of hope that our savior lives and that I will or may transcend the broken, evil and shadowy parts of me, though I'm not deserving. Why do I receive this grace I do not deserve? Is it because I decided at the young age of about 7 or 8 that I believe in our God, the creator of the universe, and that I would not be shaken in that belief, and never was? Even as my peers told me when I asked, "What do you think happens when you die?" and they replied "Blackness. Nothing. We are gone forever," I never once, even for a moment, considered that to be a possibility and even felt great sadness that they did not share the same hope I had and have. Does everyone, even the most evil among us who have denied our Lord receive this grace, even for times in their life? Do those that claim they believe, as I do, but continue to commit sins deserve this grace? I say no, but somehow it makes sense that we receive it, though I cannot explain it. Perhaps the unshaken belief or hope plays a part in this! I hope, but I do not know. The overwhelming emotion I feel when those tears come about are a constant reminder that I am small, prideful, a fool, a sinner and a liar, and most importantly, that those broken and foul parts of my psyche are not all I am destined for. These feelings make it quite impossible for me to have any doubt in Jesus Christ, which seems amazing as a write it here, but has been normal, for me, since I made that decision to believe as a child all those years ago. Mr. Peterson, if you read this, thank you. You have served others in such an incredible way, you will certainly be regarded throughout history as one of the great men. It is good to have similar feelings of hope and admiration that I have when reading about great men in history, the likes of George Washington, for example, when I read and watch you today. It is history in the making, sir, and I am honored to witness it in my short turn in this life, and I am honored to be on the short turn in this life with faith in God, my family, with you, and everyone else reading this today, even those whose ideas and actions I detest, who would quickly do away with me and my ideas, whom I'd quickly resist and fight against.

The presence of Jesus is better than all knowledge. That is why He “is Himself our peace” and gives “peace that surpasses all understanding”

May God heal, protect and defend Jordan Peterson. In Jesus name, Amen. Dear Lord we need this man!

My mom is in lots of pain typically, her back has been broken since 2009 and she has trouble moving at times. She is such a great person despite this injury and no matter what happens in my life I hope to be as strong for my family as she’s been for my brother and I. I believe in god and for me it’s always been from a place of hope and strength. Sometimes there isn’t anything to rely on but a higher power.

The guilt and shame of a sinful life when hearing this is hard to take.

There's times I envy Professor Peterson only discovering Jesus. There is always constant amazement in any major 'discovery'. What I don't envy is his depth of understanding required in order to truly believe. Alas, some of us are born with Christ, others have to work at it, but when Jesus advocated "seek, and you will find", He did also intimate that to reach Him, you must revert to the trust of a child. There should be no tip-toeing as Christ is not a danger. Blessed are we who have not seen, but yet believe.

JP bringing to KZfaq what churches generally don’t talk about. Thanks.

JP helped me come back to my faith through Christ. For this I will be eternally grateful. I always enjoy his intellect and charismatic personality. I have suffered chronic pain for years and understand the battle within oneself, it’s clearly etched on JP face. For me physical therapy, counselling and pain management via cannabis oil have all contributed in me being able to cope with the pain of life. But the most important part of getting through the day for me has been my faith. God Bless you and your family Jordan 🙏✝️

Walk in the power of His might. Ephesians 6:10

Same dude, brain tumors and 60hr hard work weeks is tough and painful. But God's strength is made perfect in our weakness. Its me that needs to work myself down to weakness and suffering before I ask for help and walk right in the word.

"The Ideal is wounded in proportion to the degree that everything has deteriorated away from the ideal" -- so powerful

He led me to Christ by his words “the cross is a mirror”. (That shows who we really are as humanity) I suddenly saw the truth of who I am and my desperate need of Christ in that very sentence. Praise God for JP and how He has worked through him.

With respect, I accepted Christ 18 years ago and have been following Jeshua since in some capacity more or less and my understanding has grown a lot from listening to your thoughts and intelligent explanations of difficult questions. Thank you for all of your hard work, we need it, I need it

Wow. What a wonderful conversation. Thank you so much

I’ll be praying for you Mr. Peterson about the chronic pain and for the Lord to help you through. He’s helped me through years of debilitating nerve pain from an attack, many times when I was sure I couldn’t bear another second. He’s given me the strength to forgive them and leave their justice to him. I have deep joy and peace and know I’m a citizen of Heaven and will live with Him for all eternity. 🤗

Enjoyed the quality of interaction and the listening to one another for deep conversation insight. Sometimes the smarter or intelligent a human becomes, the more self governed they become, and lean towards a belief system based on the findings of the self governed ruling of gathered and experienced information. Our own self can get in the way of allowing faith to lead our lives and some are "afraid" to allow faith to determine an outcome in their life, so they put up walls of defense. Pray for Jordan because we've all had someone praying for us, prior to our receiving the gospel of Christ Jesus.

Oh Jordan how wonderful you believe in our amazing God. I have chronic pain and through this I found Jesus. May he bless you and your family

I think Jordan is right on with some very right instincts about the meaning of Christ's sacrifice. It is certainly an example for us to emulate, that baring our cross, shouldering our burden and stumbling toward the good redeems the world. That's a brilliant insight and very true. But it is more than that, as the Bishop says, the depths of which we will never fully comprehend. It is metaphysically the God of creation, the source of all that is, entering into our humanity, in all His fullness, and bringing us back to himself when we were powerless to do so, restoring us to what we were always meant to be. And that's an ongoing process if we will cooperate with it.

Glad I listened to this all the way through. It was my sin that put Jesus on that cross, and he still comes after me with abounding love!

Yes God's love is so precious and I feel ever closer in spirit, daily praising all creation and saying thank you Christ Jesus 🙏.

I have been struggling with Catholics vs Protestant things in my head lately. Protestant used to be the only Christian for me. This guy proved me wrong in a conversation with a father figure of mine since 2016. I will continue to attempt to be earnest. I will confront suicidal ideation and not be enraged about what I perceive in the moment to be the glibness of others

That last part was so beautifully said, amazing.

God Bless both gentlemen for boldly tackling the depth of this discussion. More shall be revealed.

Thank you all, especially Bishop Barron for your courage to share the Gospel 🙏✝️🇺🇲

BRAVO,BRAVO TO BOTH DR.PETERSON AND BISHOP BARRON and MANY THANKS FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS TO SHINE THE LIGHT OF THE WORD MADE FLESH ON THE WORLD! This is exactly what the world needs to hear to heal its wounds, to rise and shine once more.

Faith does not require understanding but obedience. “Lean not on your own understanding” Amen

Such a professionally spoken conversation. Coo

Have this man on your show as often as you can.

By maintaining his integrity and faith during the archetypal conditions under which he died he completed human consciousness and made it possible for anyone to connect to the Father through his Spirit. In other words he completed the human moral conscience by incarnating it in the face of the greatest resistance.

Christ lives

I’m surrounding myself with peace, love and positivity today. Thanks for sharing this!

Very important message you can get from this conversation. Awesome video

Your story is a testament to the amazing power of redemption through Christ. It's heartwarming to hear how Jesus has turned your life around, providing you with a home, a loving family, and a renewed sense of identity as His child. May your journey continue to inspire others who may be going through difficult times, showing them that there is always hope in the arms of the Lord. Hallelujah for your beautiful transformation! 🌟🙌

"We killed God. And he returned with forgiveness" ....🤯 WOW

I’m meditating on this. Christ on the Cross is the proper praise of God. The willingness to surrender to the will of God and to offer suffering for sin and redemption is the proper praise of God. This turns Any evil and tragedy, even the tragedy of sin when it is repented of, into praise of God. It turns evil on its head. Am I right in this summarization?

What a great discussion. I love it.

God bless you both! Pain and suffering are inevitable here on Earth and are a kind of purification of the soul from the inevitable 'evil' accumulated in this life or in others. These suffering/love cycles that follow each other in life are necessary, otherwise we would probably be permanently condemned to darkness and spiritual prison. Of course there is still Divine Grace given to those who cry out from their hearts for help. In any case, the pain to summarize is regarded by many ascetics as a blessing because they know from practice that in combination with faith it is the sure way to Eternal Paradise .. and this is not a metaphor!!

5:07 Job went through a calamity for sure because he thought himself already righteous, without the need for God. In this case, yes, it will land a person in very hot water. Job was whining about all the troubles he was having and falling just short of blaming God for it, he was upset that he shouldn't have to suffer so, because he had been a good/righteous man. But God rebuked Him multiple times, instilling in Job the understanding that he really didn’t understand anything and he was not above God or worthy of His mercy (isn't that why it's called mercy? bc we don't deserve it?): “Who is this who obscures My counsel by words without knowledge? Now brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall inform Me. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.…” Sometimes we decide to stand up to God, try to prove our worth and show how much we know…..and God just might reach out and touch your hip socket… And all those friends with which he had pontificated about God were all dead wrong: After the Lord had spoken these words to Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. Ob 42.7- But the fourth friend spoke of the situation correctly and was not rebuked, and that was Elihu. He explained to Job that he was not righteous in and of himself and that God was worthy of praise regardless of his current situation. We cannot walk this walk and follow the path of Christ without understanding we are broken, in every way, including intellectually. You can’t hold a torch to Him - your greatness is because of Him. (That’s worth repeating here, your greatness is because of Him, not you. This is where many fall short of attaining the deeper walk with God.) “But who am I, and who are my people, that we should be able to give as generously as this? Everything comes from you, and we have given you only what comes from your hand.” 1 Chronicles 29:14 And if it isn’t, then you suddenly are great because the world deems you great…. …and who cares about that? Men who walk in the glory of God are men who wrestle, gain the understanding and crucify their own glories to take up the cross and follow Christ. You may not be able to do it. So very few can. But He will not share His glory with you. You may walk in it, (indeed you have at times) but He must receive the praise. And if you're wishy-washing around on even saying you believe in Christ, well then, out of His presence and His anointing you go. Jesus always pointed to the Father, the Father pointed to the Son, the Holy Spirit glorifies both and never Himself. This is what makes a king in the Kingdom of God. Try to steal His glory without given Him the honor and praise, and you’ll be finished. “I am the Lord; that is my name; I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols.”

Beautifully put, it brings a real sense of meaning.

Great conversation!

This is so powerful! Thank you!

Jesus suffered this for our sake, because of our sin, yet we still sin. You cannot go any lower than that! The crucifixion of Jesus Christ puts into perspective the seriousness of our sin. Another thought. Jesus did not only suffer physically, but suffered in the way of shame of nakedness, betrayal, everyone mocking etc all in his innocence.

Perhaps the two most intelligent, most insightful men of our generation having a philosophical conversation. What a great time to be alive!

In my opinion the "fallen" state that human beings find themselves in is there by design so that we learn opposition. Without pain and suffering we won't know joy and pleasure. It's like if you want to build up a muscle of forgiveness let's say, there needs to be something for us to forgive. What is better than to suffer in the hands of our enemies and then forgive them. In doing so we learn to be like Christ, a symbol of perfection.

Dear Mr. Jordan Peterson, I didn't know You are in chronic pain - a lot of it. Now... Your desire, Your need, Your Passion to understand things, talk about things, meditate and communicate about things.... Makes a lot more sense to Me. For that is what I did in the midst of the worst of it Talked. And talked. And talked. And asked questions. And talked.... In My distress, I get snappish And I was unfair with You. I do not want for You to be in continuous chronic pain. It hurts My feelings. Badly It is My wish, it is My desire, that You are relieved and made to feel at ease in Your body. I Pray for You ~ PEACE. GOD BLESS💜

Religion can be a tricky thing to talk about depending on one's experience with how its followers portray themselves and whether or not they bring out the best or worst in you. I developed distrust issues many years ago that I cut out everyone and barely keep in touch with family. I guess a simple way to put it is I feel some people want to pass judgement and only attach themselves for their own amusement, not wanting anyone to become self-reliant. There is a dependency on others to an extent, because in an isolated life there isn't a lot one could know how to do but try their best to avoid the possibility of being taken advantage of. It can become more of a power play than a healthy relationship, which is a truth of human nature.

Peterson was a huge turning point in my faith, i was raised Catholic but hadn’t internalized what the faith truly meant until after Peterson showed how transcendently applicable it is. I got confirmed in my faith maybe a year after listening to his lectures, now this is an unshakable foundation of my reality.

I was born again at age 15. About 3-4 days prior to being saved, I played with an Quija board. I had demonic attacks. I had other spiritual experiences that do not allow me to discard Jesus being the only way. (I also had a witness for two of those experiences.)

Solid gold. Thank you two.

I was the 1,000th like. I feel blessed to have seen 999. Then I pause and it’s at 5:55. I came to Christ on 7/7. God is within all 🙏🏻 MC

I like the fact Dr J. Peterson is speaking to as many people willing to share their knowledge.

The intensity with which Jordan seeks the truth is astounding

I suffer chronic pain myself , I had got in a car wreck and I tried everything. 12 surgeries and eventually i finally went on pain medication. Had I not I was wanting to die. So. They gave me many more years to live. I still have awful days but I try pushing through it.

Thank you Jordan for everything 🙏🏽

If a perfect man can bear the ultimate pain with zero guilt, you can bear whatever you are going through.

Its hard for me to express how meaningful it was to find that religion, of all things, bears the understanding of human nature from our own perspective. Thanks for the clip, great guest. When it seems like the world is a contradiction, it is then when that ancient frigin book starts making a whole lot of sense. The experiences of our ancestors encapsulate its pages and speak of a history our greatest elders have no memory of. Only a fool would throw it out.

Thank you for this.

"Word becomes Flesh" may also be put as putting Words into Action. If Jesus stated He'll be resurrected and so He did.

Just imagine going from an entity that cannot die into an entity that is going to die. Presumptively Jesus understood

I’m thinking about how in Game of Thrones all those guardians of The Wall killed John Snow because of his virtue and attempts at the greater good. Then when he came back to life, he had them hanged. Everyone watched nodded their heads and said “Yeah they deserve death.” It just stands in such contrast to Christ and demonstrates how radical an act Christ’s mercy actually is.

Yes! It's also important to have the Divine relationship of the Trinity, because parents can relate to the excruciating pain of a parent offering up the only Son and having to stand by as Jesus dies, knowing that this is the way to reconciliation for the entire creation. There are many different ways to understand what was accomplished through Jesus' voluntary offering up of himself out of love for the Father and love for people. I appreciate this discussion. Thank you.

Jordan nailed it (no pun intended) when he said the sacrifice of Christ was saying Do This

Do what you know is right. Even if it kills you.

Peterson must go deeper. He has a mind that craves the deeper truth and the deeper meaning and a deeper understanding. "When I was a child I thought as a child. When I became a man I put away childish things."

What Jesus Christ did for us on the cross is far beyond our conscious! Because this a deed is high spiritual act. He did more than forgive us and the Sins of the world but also beyond the cross he created the way to the father's house for souls to be forgiven from their Sins. Because Jesus paid the price for our punishment. Also he defeated Satan and death. The cross is a symbol of strength and hope and eternal life ❤️ hallelujah praise Jesus Christ our Lord and savior

Many Orthodox hold that Christ would have incarnated even if Adam hadn't fallen as there are other reasons for the incarnation.

Jordan as well as many others are still trying to approach the bible with their own (worldly) knowledge. Jesus said, "Unless you come as a little child, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." You cannot use your own mind to understand an infinite God. You must be FULLY submitted to Him, asking Him and waiting on Him to give you the revelation and understanding.

Life is a gift, each one a perfect frame in our tapestry of being; to enrich and enlighten our souls.

God Bless you Bishop Barren

Waiting for a new JP video titled: “Why i’m now a Christian”

This is a waaay out there, superficial comparison from a non-religious person who has no business making these connections, but here it goes. Extending this to a worldly view, the work that Jesus did to die on the cross for our sins and then return to help us anyway is an exemple of what we need to see in our world. To fix many of the problems that we have today, we need people who are willing to work really hard (die on the cross) to become successful resource givers (give back to people in a resourceful way) instead of resource takers (as if Jesus took revenge on humans for nailing him to the cross). It's easy to find success and then convince yourself that you are owed the resources that open up to you through your success. But Jesus was never owed his revenge and probably never considered such a thing in his human form. Our world isn't sustainable unless we give back all that we can to help people. Of course, this is ignoring the politics and views of what it means to "help people". Maybe I'm off in left field after only a single viewing.

Dr. Peterson, how have your pain levels been over the last few months? Any improvements?

Sir the answer is LOVE God is LOVE He LOVE all his creations, the creations were made because of his Son Jesus Christ. Even if we put it literally. A parent who loves his / her children had keep all those things pertaining to those children and will do anything for the sake of their children. A man who loves a woman keeps her things if not things - memories. Father knows how Jesus loves his creation because those were made because of him. It's priceless since its life - a human with soul... We have some parts from them. Because we're created as to their image.

For me JP is a litmus test to see if a liberal-educated academic who I highly respect can gradually be turned into a believer and Christian apologist. I feel that if it can happen to him it can happen to me. It's difficult to walk the razor's edge of belief when all the doubt seems pointless in the face of such a coherent a compelling philosophy.

Astonishing how Dr. Peterson's post concerning being banned from Twitter gets a zillion views in 7 hours and this has a measly 3,000 views in 7 hours. Quite a comment on what modern day folk value.

Hi Jordan, I'd recommend you the books but more importantly the testimony of "Roy Shoeman", I'll keep praying for you!

Paul's Epistle to Ephesians [Ch 2]: 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-

Let me just take a shot in the dark here~ “Is it the willingness to bear the pain?" It isn't. And I am sorry you are dealing with this - it makes me mad honestly because the devil is stealing your health and your joy. But I know God can turn this around for you. God does not punish us with pain. We wouldn’t break our child’s arm to punish them, and it doesn’t make us feel good to see them suffer. Why do we attribute these characteristics to God? I did for many years until I finally understood otherwise. There are two issues here: 1. healing of sickness 2. bearing one’s cross/partaking in Christ’s sufferings. These are TWO separate issues with wholly different approaches to both understanding and overcoming them. I will focus on ‘bearing one’s cross/partaking in Christ’s sufferings.’ The cross is what you don’t want to do, at any cost, however, you know you’re being called to do it. It’s like Paul’s thorn in the flesh. Like Christ’s cup in the garden of Gethsemane. If we don’t want to do something, then we don’t do it; that’s simple enough. But in this case, the Cross represents something we know we should do, we just don’t want to do it. Maybe it’s pride, fear, annoyance, etc. that keeps us from moving ahead. This is often recurring, not a one time thing. Furthermore, the cross is what you DO want to do that you know is wrong (this is usually an evil intention or sinful nature we haven’t gained control over) that we must put under/refuse and instead pick up our cross and deny ourselves the indulgence. This can be very difficult. Now all have sinned. But in this case, the cross is an example of a recurring, perhaps addictive sinful pleasure that one cannot (does not want to) break free of. This can be chronic laziness, gluttony, or sexual sin, to name a few. The pain of the denial will be the same across the board for each individual’s cross. Suffering under the oppression of sickness and disease is not what the word is teaching when it says, 1 Peter 14.12-14 "Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial that has come upon you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice that you share in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed at the revelation of His glory. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.." The suffering? Persecution, in this case insulted for speaking of Christ, acting like Him, acknowledging Him or just in general people hating you because you love doing good and fighting evil. The world hates us, we’ve got to get over it. This is partaking in Christ’s suffering. Jesus said, If they hated me, they’ll hate you. If they loved Me, they’ll love you. A student is not above his teacher… Next, Sacrifice: Matthew 10.37-39 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it." The suffering/sacrifice? Leaving something/someone we love (the life we love, the pleasure, indulgences, comfort etc) to follow the call of God. Not all are called to do this. (Responsibility/talents…) God sees each of us as individuals, and He treats us, like we as parents, treat our very different, individual children. What He has called you to do is not (perhaps) what He has called me to do. The flesh, as Paul calls it, is our own sinful nature. Perhaps it’s the secret sin only we know about, but we must sacrifice this behavior if we want to walk in the Spirit and become who God calls us to be. This is suffering- the truly deep heartache, that one thing we long for more than anything that is not good for us but it’s hard to say no to…. it’s what Paul was struggling with in Romans 7, sooo many get stuck here and never advance beyond Christianity 101. We wrestle with our sins and stay stuck in this fallen, earthly tent. The Holy Spirit cannot use a vessel trying to pour new wine into itself without taking off the old wine skin and putting on the new wine skin (Christ). The answer to Pauls perplexity, is in Romans 8 - walking in the Holy Spirit. Putting off our will (old wine skin) and submitting to the will of the Father (Christ). Christianity 500+……(This, ‘Walking in the Spirit’, is a different class:) [Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5.24] Offering the body as a living sacrifice to God is difficult, mainly because it keeps wanting to crawl down off the cross and run away….the suffering of Christ was submitting His will to God’s will. For Him it was the Cross, for me it’s something different, as for you. But it’s always putting off our own will and submitting to God. Not all can do this, they will make it to heaven, but they will miss their calling. God has provided healing (by His stripes we are healed & my brethren, I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health, EVEN AS your soul (mind will emotions) prospers. So let’s get that off the table; your cross, partaking in Christ’s sufferings, has nothing to do with suffering in pain, sickness or disease. So there’s the other issue of physical suffering and how to overcome it and get healed of it. Honestly, this is the hardest thing for most believers to conquer. Many a sermon has been preached about healing and the power of the Holy Spirit to heal us. Look how many people Jesus healed. Some had faith, some didn’t and He still healed them all. But they had to come to Him. This is what God wants for all of us, to heal us of our sickness and disease. Whole books have been written about it. There are many who preach and demonstrate the power of God today, perhaps one of the greatest in understanding the healing power of the Holy Spirit was the late Kathryn Kuhlman. She’s also the farthest thing from academia that one can get. There are many modern books about healing, Kathryn is just a personal favorite of mine because she was so unashamedly devoted to God in all her quirkiness…and He loved her for it. God does not remain in the tidy boxes we fashion for Him…

Jordan Peterson If u ever read this I love ur work u encourage me to think deeper and develop habits to better myself. But I say this with love please stop keeping God at arms length. Idk if u are trying to find the truth of God and come to believe in him or you are fascinated with the person of Christ or maybe both. But "Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore seek not to understand that thou may believe, but believe that thou may understand." Augustine And regarding the sacrifice of Christ it is not this romanticized version u have been hearing. It wasn't the Father looking at the nails in Christ hands it wasn't the thorn of crowns it wasn't the betrayel of his friends or even suffering for being innocent and the embarrassment or physical abuse and pain emotional or physical. It was the wrath of God that u and me deserve for all of our wickedness it was Christ on that Cross suffering at the hands of an angry and just God showing his hatred for sin on Jesus that U and I deserve and that is why we can be saved from death and judgement. Isaiah 53:10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him he has put him to grief when his soul makes an offering for guilt he shall see his offspring he shall prolong his days the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied. John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. Romans 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's judgement will be revealed. Please I plead with u repent and believe. God is not some mere physcholgical figure to be studied and figured out. Rather he is a loving and just God who has sent a savior for those who will trust him. The simple gospel message is one of good news u and I have broken God's law he has payed the fine. Hebrews 10: 28-29 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without Mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses how much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified and has outraged the spirit of Grace. Romans 5:7-9 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person -- though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die --but God showed his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Great wrap up from Bishop Barron

Jordan Peterson proves that an intellectually honest search for the Truth leads to God.

Two intellectual giants 😮

I truly don’t understand why religious people keep missing the real message of Yeshuah, they complicate things in a way that only the intellect and the ego can rationalized, the way of God is so much easier and simpler than that for sure, I was a none believer for 53 years of my life before my NDE and there I meet Jesus. This idea of God and heaven and Jesus was nothing more than a joke to me, but about three years ago I stopped breathing and died and to my surprise I meet Jesus when I asked if he truly existed I also meet one of Jordan Peterson’s guides in one of my silent prayers when he was very sick and his daughter give as all the news, I was told that he was going to be fine, now I’m still not a religious person nor I will ever become one, I have no believe systems but only a knowing system, I don’t believe in God or Jesus because I know God and Jesus are real and they love as all in ways that no human brain or intellect could ever comprehend, he loves as all unconditionally and without judgment no matter what!, There’s no religion in God or Jesus or Heaven, religion was created by man and this I was told after asking I wish you all well on your path and let the love and peace and joy of our creator cascade over you all, be love my friend and be blessed, love is all that truly matters, be well!

Isaiah 35:4: Say to those who have an anxious heart, 'Be strong; fear not! Behold, your God will come with vengeance, with the recompense of God. He will come and save you.

Good job Gentleman. Good bless you!!

Personally i think Jesus represents a courage and ability to face the deepest and darkest evil that we all have the capability of within us, and do it with a bravery and calmness of knowing no matter what happens, no matter how bad it gets, he will never surrender to it. I think that is the power that God himself represents and offers to us all.

"He died for our sins" it still doesn't sit right.

I recently learned something about the Lord Jesus saying "father why has thou forsaken me" Jordan used to quote niezche and say "the suffering of life is such that even God would question his own existence" Well what I learned is that Jesus was quoting Psalm 22. And he that so that the Pharisees may know who he was.

Well, as far as missing the mark goes, misunderstanding the word and/or reasons is a major part of it all inasmuch as we ought to leave it to GOD, whatever is far fetched, just trust 100%. He created all things for himself and, he's not going to allow some perverted idea to take any of it from his pleasure, much less his more precious creation. The story of the prodigal son testifies to answer it. Consciously good! Conscious Love towards the Father, recognizing his Glory for what he truly is, a Loving Father. Embrace the Pain, it has brought you to God! Consciously Good, Very Good! Thank You!