Brothers John and Charles, to hear you say near the end, "...that is not the worst," is very troubling! How could it possibly be worse? I'm almost afraid to hear more. When I first listened to the audio version of "Preacher Behind the White Robes," I was shocked and scandalized with the revelations of this man whom so many preachers and teachers in my circles (mainstream Charismatic,, not Message ministers) so revered. I was especially disillusioned and bewildered as a man who happens to be Black (although my identity is in Christ, not my ethnicity). This filth, though, truly "takes the cake"!

You are telling the truth about Leo. I knew him when I was just a kid. And that man had something wrong with him. I never liked him. I'm so thankful that my mama didn't move us to Arizona.

You two are doing a great job in turning Christians away from confusion. A lot of Christians in this message are physically in mentally out and don’t know how to get out. They have questions and are scared of the answers because they know they have been duped.

This is horrifying truth. Thank u both for bringing this to light.

My mom was born into the park in 69 and left in 74. She is Keith Loker's first cousin. The trauma from the park still affects her life to this day. Thank you for this information. She only remembers so much, so a lot of my questions are met with a foggy memory. This has helped me understand some things and I truly appreciate you both.

Thank you John and Pastor Charles. How horrific to hear the abuse of the innocent children. Thank you for keeping us informed. Praying for people that are still in this Cult.

All that I can say or add, with all of your documented research that you have put on KZfaq there will still be people who will see you two as devils. no matter what the truth is, only God can open their eyes. My prayer is for those watching this who are in the message to have their eyes open to the truth. Amen

So many dots are connecting. Thank you. Horrific, but necessary to tell. I pray for your protection.

This episode has been the hardest thing I have ever listened to in my life. Lord have mercy.

Thanks fellas, this podcast answers so many questions for me. My poor friend and his family. Im a fan now. Keep up the honest research, and presentations.

This, in my opinion, is worse than Colonia or Jonestown for the simple fact that in the other two cases, there were many years that separated them from WMB’s lifetime. We can all formulate opinions on whether he would or would not have condoned what Shafer and Jones did. However, here we have him personally spending time there, and condoning their commune, at the same time abuse was occurring?? Where was the discernment?? Come on… and people claim that his ministry was the return of Christ…. What happened to “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Seems more like these people were more Sodom and Gomorrah than anything else.

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Perfect Follow up. This is gonna be the Bomb

I was in this cult for 28 years and I knew Leo Mercier and Gene Goad were the tape boys. I never knew anything about The Park until I learned about it from you.

Thank you for another great video John and Pastor Charles and for your faithful ministry. These abuse tactics sound a lot like Bill Gothard's teachings that when someone is abused, even children, they share in the fault of the abuse and have to figure out what their part was

He never left the message. He had branham blessing to open the park. He called them the tape boys

This is mind control on a very high level. It is mind-boggling to hear of these evil horrors. Surely, their punishment in the next life is great! God help me not to be deceived like this! "...but for the grace of God,/..."

My parents stay in Phoenix, Az for half the year. They attend Evening light Fellowship while they are there. The pastor is Ron Peterson . The more I watch you guys the angrier I get!! My beloved parents are in a cult and I don't know what to do about it. The are in their late 70s and will probably die in the cult. I think you're right... There is some kind of mind control going on. I thank God for pulling me out of this but I am really concerned for my parents. Thank you guys for everything you do.

this is absolutely horrendous!!!! God bless you

John and Charles, It's worth considering that the term "tape boy" could potentially be a Freudian slip, where the speaker unconsciously associates it with the term or idea of "boy toy" without being fully aware of it. This suggests that their unconscious thoughts and feelings could be influencing their choice of language.

Searing research John and Charles - thank you. Your point about creating data bases is very telling . It struck me that the 'tape boys' seem to have taken a page from Paul Schafers play book ?

49:22 my evangelist friend was obsessed by UFOs, and from what i can tell, these folks are the folks that started the whole craze with the "flying disc" story. My friend died at 73 still clinging to this, digging into the bible, obcessed with homosexuality, and just contradicting things. He had a radio show for about 6 years too. Your show is very informative, and it bring things foreward, i just wished that he could have seen this video.

I'm definitely reading the Serpent's Tail now. What a disgusting ploy to try and cover all of this up!!

Excellent.

If John and Charles are misleading us, then Pristine Clear correct everything they say and put things into perspective. Not just pick and choose where to respond and leave the rest. You are doing very little Pristine!! Do more or stay clear of this.

I read that Mercer wrote 'The Book of Hebrews', his wife typed it up, WB read it, approved it and put his name to it. If this is true , so much for the vindicated 'Voice' in our time !

The irony of that press article about the Park quoted " We are not a sect, a cult " Oh really !! So glad you guys are out of all this. Branham camping out with those guys I can only come to one conclusion. Just to end on a lighter note "Scandal Skirt" did see that same article said that the women did not wear lipstick 😏 as if that was so bloody important 👄

This pod cast is DEVASTATING to the message movement….Wow!

31:00. The term you're lacking is steganography. This is the art of encoding messages in other content, so it is both encrypted and concealed. For example, during ww2, diners would order their menu items (displayed on a sign) in a particular code. E.g., meat loaf before chicken soup means the coast is clear to use a hidden tunnel. Modern versions of steganography include altering the pixels of stock-images to encode data. Tape-record and radio transmitted sermons would be IDEAL for steganography. Just think of the variety of codes that could be included.

The KISS Method -- Keep It Secret, Stupid can be very effective, when properly enforced.

Sad how many still peddle The Word for greedy gain making merchandise out of their follower's teaching and preaching another gospel and another Jesus. Many are slaves of corruption and believe the Lie's and deception of many False teacher's False prophets False brethren that teach them, they are working for The Lord and can't see, they are those that "lord over others"

Claiming that the adult participation in this comnmune and the leaders actions to cover it up were under some thought control to explain their actions doesn't take into account "their responsibility for their actions, their SIN."

Word of faith, same spirit is operating here. so called "apostle" and my former "pastor" is suieng me for "slander". This is what they doing to thoise who are telling the Truth.

One day we will all stand before the Great White Throne and give an an account of whatever we did on this earth but I have to say this, I shouted out of shock when I heard you say William Branham had regular sleepovers with these wicked men. One phrase came into my mind, ‘Birds of the same feathers flock together’.

Preacher never give details of what happened, so noone at my church has any idea. They just believe victims choose leo over branham and that is why they were 'deceived' 😑

I wonder if there is any connection to other cults from that era, such as the Finders?

Thank you so much, guys. Also, in a previous podcast, I can’t remember which one it was, but you mentioned Billy Graham’s connection to William Branham. Thank you for bringing that out. People hold Mr Graham to high on a pedestal…thanks again

"I'm a Tape Boy!" Wow! Yuck!

You should make a short on the segment referring to mond control and only-believe-ism.

But Branham was able to discern the hearts..did God got duped ?

I can appreciate your passion here. I know what you mean when it seems like people can be so blind to abuse, and it's frustrating! It seems people are often afraid to be angry about the sin of their leaders because they don't want to offend those who they believe are God's voice to them. I think you're really onto something about mind control. Keep up the good work!!!

John, I can’t imagine the pain of knowing your own beloved grandfather was aware of this. I pray for peace and healing for your heart. 💔

my family moved to Arizona to be closer to one of the churches in the late 70s before I was born. I am very thankful they decided to move back to California. even though I still grew up in the cult, I think it would've been worse if we were there

Editing? Splicing? Price gouging? And the WMB gets on there and talks about how much he loved the people??? More lies!! It's criminal! L

John and Charles- are your parents still in the message?

With Christ we overcome.❤ Sexual sin is an erroneous nature, however nothing too hard for God to redeem. It takes the will of the individual to surrender. I am my brother's😮 keeper. Thank you for the truth.

This is why branham hates women, he was homosexual

This is shockingly eye opening! Thanks for this. Could this be the reason why there is literally in evey family that I know that including mine grew up in "the message" that is listing and listened to the tapes in their homes, there is homosexuals!?

In a previous episode, you were wondering if Branham actually had any discernment considering who he surrounded himself with. I think he was able to discern that these men were like him - deceitful, manipulative, and destructive. That’s why he connected with Jim Jones, Leo Mercier, Paul Schaffer, and others. They had the same spirit and Branham must have known that from the onset.

Whole new level of sick.

How can this evil man be lauded by so many today? I had no clue, can that really be their excuse?

Is this true? they tortured children?

Hi John. Where can I get the recording of your grandfather testifying of Branham sleeping in the same bed with men in his inner circle? I've never heard of this....raises big questions...

Sorry this is bit off the subject but just seen a youtube billy paul testimony his healing of terminal cancer and wondering if he's now doing what his dad giving a false witness. I believe he promotes the anointing is still on the tapes and books.

Do you think they went hunting like normal people and didn'r do anyrhing depraved during those hunting trips?

Do you think the Unification church of Moon, lifted from this guy?

Is there an episode of yours that goes into detail about Keith?

Do you have a link that you can share that will show us the record from the Court that these things were taking place? I’d like to look this up for verification. Thank you.

Branham has no revelation, he made himself prophet, lies deception and people believe him. All the prophet God called in the bible were anointing and God gave them a message to fulfill, there was no controversy.

You know, I'm probably barking up the wrong tree, but I'm questioning Branham's sexuality. Was he bisexual? Or deviant? Sleepovers with these guys? Not to mention place Pigalle. It leaves you scratching your head.

Those men must have been hunting on Brokeback Mountain

Do you happen to know who Gene Goad was married to?

Has no one ever gone to jail for this? You mentioned court records.

Does anyone know the age difference between Gene and Leo and Branham? Was it a significant gap? I am wondering why he referred to them as "boys". Maybe I am missing some context from the era they were from where it was normal to refer to adult men as "boys"?

Was law enforcement ever involved? If not, why not? This is shocking.

true devils!!!!!!!

I’m several weeks behind in the podcasts. Really hoping that John’s grandfather has been freed and come to repentance for his involvement 🙏🏻

Was William Branham gay? Listening to this episode, I couldn't help but consider that possibility. Speaking of sexual misconduct, I am an ex-member of the largest Message church in Brazil, whose late pastor was accused of sexually abusing women. So, I don't doubt anything anymore.

If your leader tells you that you're in the land of Goshen, it means you're still in Egypt and the end thereof is slavery.

"little fbi" to me sounds like what in modern day would be true crime podcasters who think they're solving crimes by having opinions on things they have very little information about

I have watched this still have not seen or heard any proof

No one is born in the world to analysing the Prophet Branham's Messages, your poisonous message will never distrubs the true Bride of Christ, because She is already rooted and grounded in the Messages of our beloved Prophet Branham

You two guys here talking about Branham are all about homosexuality. Branham was not about that at all. He was about the doctrine of God. Why was it that Branham wanted to move in 1965 ? Because of disagreement on his dogmatic and intollerant view on homosexuality, that´s why. Some left the church because of his straight forward answers agains that sodom spirit of homosexuality in church. The serpent seed doctrine of cause also was a problem. But those 2 things together would point out exactly who the wild man is. The man of flesh, lusting in all directions. It looks like Branham left his own church, because the wolfs took over the flock. Now I might have understood why Branham was about to move. The church became the synagoge of Satan, while the truth founder was leaving the flock. That´s exactly what happened to Israel 2000 years ago. Israel crucified their God in Flesh, and Jerusalem right there and then became spiritual Egypt and Sodom. Hearing Branham speaking and now hearing those two men explain what Branham ment by saying Goshen is the most stupid thing I have ever heard anyone say about what a man ment by his teachings. Branham said what he said and he ment what he said. He was not right in everything he said. Nope. But he was not that kind of man who was speaking around corners with what he wanted to say. So please, have some respect for this man´s preachings. Telling us that Branham was talking about homosexuality when quoting the bible on Goshen, that is as far stretched a stretch can ever be. Have the two of you not thought of the possibility that Branham left Jeffersonville with a broken heart because of sin in his church? I see church leaders today on youtube speaking out agaings those kinds of sins amongs their own people. Sin has always been a part of humanity. But it´s the "acceptanse" of sin that is the unforgiveable sin, I agree on that one. IF Branham would have accepted sin in his church, knowing about those things, he is unforgiven. BUT, nothing points to that. Sin from NOW ON no more, was the doctrine of Branham. God knows the heart of all of us. You two might not have a clue of what is happening to your own children while making this video. You might have trusted your children to a coach or something right now. But HOPEFULLY is everything OK on your home front! I mean, do the two of you know about everything done in the hidden around your circle of men? And if you find out, are you leaving town / sodom, asap ? Sorry boys, your "message" style is not for me.

One thing these two guys don't realise is that all the prophet's are accused of everything Jesus was Beelzebub remember was he a cult and the two of you'll trying to correct and condemn what God has established step down off you'lls throne while you still have a chance to repent

Please read doing God a service without it being his will

It’s so easy to talk negative about people who are dead and can’t defend themselves shame on all of you

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J Edgar Hoover was appointed the first director of the FBI in 1935, a post he held until he died in1972 . He was a Freemason and via the Scottish Rite quickly rose to the 33 degree Inspector General. His deputy was Clyde Tolson who was the sole heir to Hoover's estate. It is rumored that they were lovers and Hoover was also a cross dresser. (Clint Eastwood's 2011 movie is of note).