ok.

ngl I've watched this video about 6-7 times

@@sam3nvb565 Welcome to the club as they say.

Wow, increíble tu vídeo. Amazing you work

Damn, your Star Wars videos are so good! I find myself rewatching them to appreciate them from time to time.

Saying "you don't get it, dumbass" like an intellectual

Basically summarized the sequels

@@OGmemegenerator that would imply that ANYBODY involved in the sequels had enough intelligence to ask a question in the first place

@@OGmemegenerator Yawn

@@HoodedLord feel bad for the actors tho, you can tell most of them were just glad that it’s over.

So you won't do anything? Apathy is death. Worse than death, because even a decomposing corpse will feed beasts and insects.. KREIA.

Who are you?:)

Always ask questions (similar to Socrates)/ Yes. - Act to better the world around you, but not at the cost of yourself/ Better yourself, even at the cost of others, they exist to better you- it is better to be a dreamer than be part of someone else's dream - The greatest victory is that of enlightenment / The Greatest Victory is having your opponent see the folly of opposing you in the first place - Do not rely on others for your strength / Yes - Giving other what they have not earned may ripple negatively through the galaxy / Direct Quote from Nar'Shaddah. Yes. - Spreading pain, only causes more pain / Pain is a lesson. Formulate the lesson-plan before you apply it. - Overcoming ones own struggles strengthens the individual, fighting others battles for them cheapens this victory / Cheapens *their* Victory, yes. - Those around you can be manipulated carefully to suit your own goals / Remove the word carefully. If your ends are just, so are the means of which you attain the end - Physical strength means nothing, refusing strength/ideology(ies) that you have not earned is true strength / Physical prowess is temporary, erudition is forever. - Never live for an Ideology/others, if you do, find it's opposite so that you may strengthen your ideology by finding its flaws and correcting them / Begs the question why Kreia put all her hopes and dreams into one person. - Free will is preferred over Fate / Fate is the excuse provided by the losers or the unjust winners. Free-Will is the conscious understanding of following and adapting to ones fate.

Physical strength is not meaningless. Thats not what she was saying. She was telling the exile that earning your own strength, be it physical or otherwise, is true strength. Not borrowing, leeching, or mimicking others. Refer to every conversation had on Nar Shada.

How to create a sociopath in 11 easy steps.

💀

Basically

Jolee would agree with this.

Kreia had visions of the sequel trilogy and just said “oh Hell nah”

@@Oliver-ld3ei Kreia tried to stop the Sequel Trilogy from happening but failed

Shakespeare-tier insult right there.

She's so good I'm going to white knight and ask you to refer to her as a 'voice actress' .

@Minh Dang and you commenting on HIS comment to call him a loser is any better?

@@xJB1032x Wow, he deleted his comment? Nerd

@@zackosborn1731 not to be a prick here but these days the word 'actress' isn't really down with most female actors outside of award shows. You'd generally just refer to everyone as an actor (in English).

Her voice a little bit similar to Dragon Age Mythal

So well put.

trackts As much as I love the Star Wars universe, living in it would be a nightmare. You have the Jedi who by all intents and purposes are non humans who are discouraged to enjoy live and must strive to be emotionless, you have the Sith who become corrupted to the point that they loose themselves in their strive for power and destroy all they come across until they themselves are defeated, and all those not associated with the two factions who are at the mercy of them.

@@splintercell320 "We allow them to fight and dispose of each other under their illusion of religious and philosophical dominance, but what truly rules the galaxy is information." - From SWTOR, the Imperial Agent story. (Paraphrased.) The Imperial Agent story in SWTOR is literally the only thing which, for me, has rivaled KOTOR 2 in terms of elaborate storytelling.

Just as planned...

​@@Lobsterwithinternet Im sure it was Tzeentch​. What you planning next?

And one of the most brilliant characters in fiction

Negative. She was the first to understand the ex machina the force represents, and for that she's cool, but curiosity took the best of her, it literally killed the cat, mind the pun. Yoda is the most brilliant, and I'm not his fanboy. The force is meant to circumvent the universe, so it is not needed once you pass the test it imposes. Kreia understand the same thing, but she remained "here" to get it. Translation = she just wanted to see it, as if the current life was the last opportunity to do it.

How is the force not needed when Yoda and Obi-wan became force ghosts? They're literally still enslaved by the Force.

The writers for the game needs a screenplay greenlight.

​@@cybergothika6906 To be fair yoda got like 500+ years of meditation on her 😂

Legends Luke: force powers gooooo

The synthesis.

Wow, this comment should get more likes

Thats why imo Luke was the best jedi and is my top 2 favorite star wars characters

Until Disney absolutely obliterated him. Fuck the Last Jedi

in a nutshell yes

@Levi Cato long live MSF

Stolen, unoriginal joke

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 k

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 hilarious and original

...use them, until you exaust them, then leave them.

@@comraddisc2783 kinky

If you taught him how to solve the problem it's alright, only if you solved it for him he is weaker

@@darksteelmenace595 taught*

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 whoops, must have thought of another word there, huh

I mean, both Revan and the Exile judged the True Sith to be a danger that was far more of a priority than teaching new students. Blame the MMO for completely invalidating their choice, and making the "True Sith" just more stereotypical bad guys.

The force always win.

Well, judging from the last part of video, it may seem that even though Kreia ‘lost’, her teachings were still true and eventually ended up resurfacing in Luke. (Denied to follow ideology blindly, denied to abandon humanity but also resisted giving in to temptation and passion.)

Honestly, how can you win against the Force? If it is "an energy field generated by all living things" as the films say, then there is no way to end it without exterminating ALL organic life in the universe. Even if Kreia succeded in cutting off more people from the Force in the same way it happened to the Exile using the Mass Shadow Generator, aside from instantly killing trillions of people, it would eventually survive and return through those that aren't Force-sensitive but still generate it nonetheless. It's even *more* impossible if the Force controls the destiny of its users like Kreia implies, and that is made even more likely by the fact that "Chosen One"(s) like Anakin (but there may be more in the future to come, or more in the past we don't know about yet) can be coinceived from nothing (like Jesus Christ in Christianity) to bring about the Force's will. Essentially all living things are the Force's play field, and Force-sensitives its puppets.

truth is, the game was rigged from the start

Yeah the more you learn about KOTOR lore, the more you realize how messed up the Jedi actually are

@@rsxmaster That really is one of the major points of KOTOR 2, and it's one of the things I love about it so much. The game does not label you as a "bad person" for getting into several long arguments with Atris about why it was a scumbag thing to do to sit back and watch the galaxy get murdered just because "patience is a virtue" or whatever the fuck.

well, they knew the war was happening but stayed inactive regardless. and since apathy is worse than death it is no wonder they all died.

No, they explain it quiet well, they where going to join but they CORRECTLY sensed that there was something else behind the mandalorians and wanted time to correctly assess it. Revan said fuck that went to war, found the Emperor and return a Sith to just about bring the extinction fo the Jedi. The Jedi Master where blind on their judgement of Meetra Surik but not about the Mandalorian Wars.

@@aacm1259 Ding! Ding! Ding! They made the inverse decision to the Prequel Trilogy Jedi council. Where Yoda immediately suspected something was up upon discovering a Republic Grand clone army exactly when it was needed. He went along with the flow of things. The Galactic Civil War went exactly as Palpatine planned because the Council just went to the aid of it's constituents under attack. The Old Republic council chose to go against the flow at any cost up to and above whole planets of peaceful civilians. All to avoid an unseen trap they're certain exists. They chose to sacrifice a few planets to save the Republic. While the PT Jedi council tumbled headfirst into the trap, saved a few planets but caused the downfall of the entire Republic. Idk what game these other guys were playing? Even a unicorn like Revan could only attempt to stop the events in motion after he recognized it. Bar such unique individuals from the equation and exercising caution is clearly the disappointing frustrating reasonableness of it.

It is still ahead of this time...

The best Star Wars game !

As it turns out, it was way ahead of another timeline entirely. Because we've only gotten dumber, and weaker entries. Thus, it is actually, in reality, a product of an era we've left behind.

Is star wars kotor??

@@andresjim6490 Yes my friend, KoToR 2 specifically

Kotor 2 was such a good game. Too bad la forced its release before it was finished

What is wonderful about our community though is that more than 10 years after the release of the game, it is still remembered and loved. People have spent months filling in the incomplete codes that the game has to create the completion mod. This mod allows for you to explore a few of the cut out content. I like swtor, but not nearly as much as kotor.

This is my third watch over multiple years.

That is what happens when you are presented a multifaced character and analyse her

Yeah, i was excited about kotor remake until it was canceled

@@lordmunchkin8396 right? basically like ideologies. naturally, if they split off the same thing, they would be extremes.

"you have taken a complicated question and divided into very simple paths" (or something like that) is one of my favorite quote of Kreia, because she basically described Star Wars sense of of moral. Everything needs to fit into the good vs bad mold and is more or less forced into being on either side, against their will most of time. The force, if you truly think about it, is terrifying.

@@lordmunchkin8396 No, they are extreme interpretations created by the consequence of "balance" with the Force. There is no third path to take. Kreia's version of a Force sensitive, of "synthesis", is one that is basically a Sith but isn't ruled by their lust for power and doesn't rely on the Force for the power they have. Since they aren't ruled by lust for power, they can think pragmatically and exert their will across the galaxy in ways neither the Jedi or Sith can do. The Force sensitive in question lives by the moral code that they deem is right and pragmatic, and they use their strength and their power that they have to prove they're right because might makes right. The concept of Grey Jedi as you imagine them do not exist. The Dark Side is a corruption of the Force created as a consequence of sentient life being in conflict with the selfless nature of the Force. To sit in the middle is to accept apathy, or begin a long and slow climb toward becoming a Sith Lord like Anakin and Revan.

@@LightAndDarkMdness02 not if you have self control. After all it’s we who have the ultimate say in what we do

@@N120Xeno While this is true, most people lack the self control and discipline to resist the temptation of the Dark Side. If not even the Chosen One could resist falling to the dark side, what chance do you have?

Broke my heart when that happened

Their goal is to put you back in exile without the force due to fear.

I call that a b**** move. By the Jedi master from Kotor ll.

Shows how blind and scared they had become.

"She brings truth and you condemned it. The arrogance" ~Kreia

Yep.

from what ive seen in other videos it actually goes deeper than this. there is a "ring theory" about how lucas constructed the formula to repeat itself so that he could maximize its impact on society. however, prequel haters don't like it lol

+ִ your name is awesome

Imagine her watching Episode 7

John Wreed Wait, what if the Force is actually the repetitive narration.

Let her waste her breath. She's like the stepmother that is always complaining about everything you do. Just do what is right and tell her to bug off.

It follows Kreia's philosophy of constantly criticizing dogma so that one never becomes a slave to a single ideology. You go right, she'll complain you didn't go left. In the end you listen less to how others try to guide you and find your own path.

@@richardleach2906 Exactly. Kreia being critical of your choices in-game is a bit like a test on how you take her criticisms. Do you adjust to suit her whims, and thus prove her right that you have no sense of self and merely follow what others want you to do? Or do you go the opposite way just to spite her, and thus prove again, that you are beholden to your emotions instead of logical thought? The right way is think things through, weigh the choices and make a decision on what you want to do - and pay no credence whether others (including Kreia herself) will feel morally contrasted with your choices.

I gave up at the fact that there were times that I could not be right in her eyes. Didn’t think of it as that there are always mistakes in either side and you must challenge each choice you make to understand what effect that you cause.

She should change her name to Darth Karen then.

Stories that involve the preservation of Balance tend to devolve into this problem. The "Light Side" can be just as oppressive as the "Dark Side" when one becomes more powerful than the other, but inevitably, the pendulum has to swing back into place. When the Light becomes too bright, the Dark will be empowered to suppress it; When the Dark becomes too encompassing, the Light will shine through to relieve it. And all the while, lives will be lost in the name of some simplistic, flimsy morality, i.e "LIght good, Dark bad"

@@Kite403, except that's not how the Force was ever supposed to work in Star Wars, at all.

Not really. Master Yodas advice was quite sound: let go of all you fear to lose. He never said don't feel or care about anything. He wanted to instill in Anakin that you can care too much about something and do horrible things because of that. And the point was proven. Anakin couldn't accept his wife dying and ended up precipitating events that led to it. Had he controlled himself, he may have been able to keep her longer. But I agree about the body language. Hayden played the part of confused scribe quite well he seemed like he didn't know what to do which is incredibly relatable.

@@Whitebeardtheking9 Yoda (and the Jedi as whole) always gave Anakin platitudes. Absolute statements. They never tried to get to know him, to relate to him and empathize with his pain and his fears. They completely failed to understand that Anakin, *born and raised a slave then thrust into a galactic war* (with all the mental issues that accompany it), was a person who did not relate to abstractions. He only understood the tangible things in front of him: Weapons, starships, droids, fighting techniques... And most importantly, the actions people around him. The principles of Yoda (and the Jedi as a whole) are not what is in question. They are good principles to hold. The failing is in the communication of those principles... And *that* is squarely on the shoulders of the Jedi.

@Softis Neleris maybe, but keep in mind that Anakin became a jedi by the jedi going against their code. He was too old to train by their standards and had formed strong relations with his mother as a young boy. These feelings would cause him to go against his orders later in life, trying to save her. When she died, his descent toward the dark began. By not adhering to the jedis belief of restraint he began to wonder if the force could be used to control. Not to mention, imagine his own hubris that led to a lot of bad things that plagued him. He was cocky even as an apprentice since he knew he was the chosen one, and this led him to believe that he didn't need to learn as much since he was basically the jedis ace in the hole. When he lost his arm to Dooku, he learned he wasn't top dog. He took this time to learn Form V in order to become a stronger swordsman. This worked but fed his ego and belief that might makes right. Anakins' fall is tied to his identity as the chosen one, his strong emotional ties, his failure to maintain control over his emotions, and his inability to accept things beyond his control.

@@Whitebeardtheking9 And what of Luke? He began his training at twice Anakin's age, had already formed relations with his (surrogate) mother *and* father, with Obi-wan, Han, and Leia, and even his father... And despite this, he turned out fine. But then, Luke was far more stable than Anakin. He did not have a laundry list of mental issues to sort out, and he had people who he was able to connect with, people who could give him the support he needed. But the Jedi provided no such thing for Anakin. He would come to them, increasingly troubled and unable to cope... Only to have his problems dismissed outright, every single time. If he could simply let go of his fears, then he would not be constantly driven by them and asking his teachers for help time and time again. The Jedis' obsession with beginning training as toddlers rebounded in their face and they had no idea how to deal with a real human. They'd been raised in an insulated bubble, only taught the Jedi code and nothing more. As a result, they had no idea how to handle an actual adult with actual human problems. They're automatons, repeating the same generic phrases ad nauseum. They don't make an effort to sit down, to talk out his problems and help him heal, to *connect* with him. As a result, neither side understands the other, and all Anakin has left is Padme and Palpatine.

@Softis Neleris the jedi are the orthodox for all intents and purposes in Star Wars. The things they preach allow one to resist temptation and avoid falling to the dark side. Yes, Luke was raised younger and had emotional connections. But also remember he could control his emotions far better than his father. Also, remember he wasn't ever told he was a chosen one or needed to fulfill a Prophecy. The jedi didn't dismiss Anakin, but they advised me to clear his mind, control his emotions, and be willing to let go of what he feared to lose. The Jedi are human too, but they try to instill wisdom so that people can control and accept things they can't stop. And since the force can essentially grant you the ability to destroy stars, influence peoples minds, and everything in between, they dont want you to make decisions based on emotion, les you use your power for personal gain.. Anakin simply didn't have the mental or emotional strength to endure, which is what makes a jedi, a jedi.

UzuRyu it’s over Anakin! I have the Sand Ground!

"You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them; bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness! You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!" -Obi-Wan Kenobi

@@VTVIGTV Anakin had the Higher Ground long before Obi-Wan had the high ground.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes. -An Absolute

Just imagining the Jedi Exile is Anakin, and Kreia trying to discuss philosophy through Prequel Anakin's thick skull ... quite amusing.

Kreia's alignment is Kreia-Central.

Lawful Cahotic Neutral Evil Good

Possibly chaotic neutral

@@FriskXI True Neutral, probabily

@@Irmarinen I used to think she was true neutral, but when I got to know the allignement system better, I realized it’s likely to be chaotic neutral

...Then that means there is no hope...

True, both the Jedi and the Sith simply refuse to change their ways.

Well, if you ignore the franchise canon and only look at kotor 2. The game does offer you the option to stay behind and continue what kreia started and since the force has no control over the exile it could become a reality.

"franchise canon" HAhaa

Star Wars is a subtle way of showing the destructive and inevitable conflict between left and right wing politics

26:35 HIGH AS HECK - Trippin' on the Force. The FORCE is not the villain. It is the Addiction to the Force ENERGY that destroy both Jedi & Sith. The Jedi Kidnapping, Slavery, and Abuse of Child Soldiers progressively leads their victims down the path of FORCE ADDICTION. LIGHTly addicted force users, using hits of the Force for 'good', actually for totalitarian authoritarianism and Collectivism. Force powered Thugs. Eventually, continual use of the force leads to the DARKer addiction, force lightening, force choking and control of others. The disregard of Self Life, force celibacy and forbidding of intimate relationships and family degrades into a disregard for all life, despair of all hope for good, and predictable self destructive behavior. The Force should be studied and understood, with the full and direct understanding that any use of the Force eventually leads to addiction. The One individual in the video is correct. LOVE is to be enjoyed and experience, not banished. LOVE and passion requires both self discipline and self control. These are not new ideas, most cultures promote monogamy to assist in family stability and the raising of children. The Jedi fundamentally disregard the well being of the children they kidnap and enslave. Naturally the children will grow to resent being victimized, and hate their masters that stole them from their real families. To Balance the Jedi / Sith Career path : 1. No more Kidnapping. 2. No more enslavement. 3. Adult 18+ volunteers only. 4. Awareness of the Force Addiction, all Force users eventually will become 'Darkly' addicted. Regular medical check ups and technology would be developed to detect when individuals are at risk of Dark addiction. Medications would be developed, or medical procedures for surgical alteration to prevent Force Addiction from causing skin and brain damage, with therapy to help them over come the disease. 5. No more Celibacy. To Love Life and Value Life, having a spouse and children gives the Jedi-Sith work / life balance. A Home. Family. These Circle of Life factors are encoded in different ways for all species, but all Living species are driven to continue living, continue existing, through what ever form of natural reproduction and recombination is encoded in their genes. Living DNA should not be extinguished by dogmatic false teachings. To do so is Genocide, and Genocide for any reason is a Hate Crime. The Celibacy is a Hate Crime, a War Crime. Destruction of the Individual, and of their families is never good for the ''common good''. Such Collectivism is the harm caused by the errors of socialist-communist thinking. You can not create a ''common good'' by destroying the very individuals that make up that ''common''. The CORE of all civilization is healthy families. Human or Alien ! :-) 6. Encourage Jedi Dating, weddings, and families. 7. The new generations of Jedi will be more sensitive to the Force, and perhaps, eventually, naturally, evolve resistance to addiction. The newer generations of Force enabled people will use the force without effort, just another form of the senses, like touch, sight, scent, and hearing... Fully alive and without dependency.

@Language and Programming Channel Metaphor for Republicans and Democrats. The illusion of choice obscures the truth.Two sides of the same coin.

@@dend1 dems are the sith and the republicans are the jedi

@@SeaJay_Oceans Damn this is a great way of looking at it. Do you have a degree in Philosophy???

Outcomes evolve from pathways. pathways grow from beginnings. Jedi/Sith are founded on slavery and addiction. midi- chlorians infection is Galaxy wide... A super organism that consumes individual hosts if the Force energy addiction runs to its full course. The Jedi genocide of celibacy and child kidnapping starts a beginning of enslaved helplessness, follows a pathway of violence, emotional neglect, & psychological abuse, and ends predictably with self destructive over dosing drug dependency upon Force Energy. You see the same patterns in victims of Heroin addiction... Starts off as a fun time / party drug, but rapidly destroys the health and families of addicts, almost always ending in overdose deaths, unless real help intervention rescues them from self destruction. The Star Wars inspiration can be seen in the party drugs of the 70s 80s & 90s, and the wild Hollywood lifestyle of those decades.

hahaha! me too

That sounds so damn hilarious *proceeds to blow up solar system* Judge: Based on the crimes you have committed, the amount of lives lost, amount of property damage, and overall destruction and death that came from your actions; I have no choice but to give the maximum sentence under the extent of the law “House Arrest”

@@miccool9ice363 on their defense, everyone living on the stations are already dead before they awake. However, they still blow up a system to smithereen....

Relatable

@@ArchivistMarker well, in my female playthrough, the sith were the ones to blow up the planet

Hehehehehe

I know what a beast. Such good work

They r remaking it for next generation consoles

Pfff, I'm not going to watch the whole video again fify

Im scared to start back again... innocent 5 min and boom, a whole... once more... 2021✔

Truly is one of the best

Sometimes your beliefs must be tested.

Iroh?

​@@pugsyconglomerateiroh yes.

This is an analysis about Democracy. As was the game.

Sakhmeov oh you mean mob rule?

+David Smith Quite. Or worse its devolution; the pretense of mob rule, with useful idiots responding to a Ponzi Scheme they believe they _have_ to stay in. If the former is Sion, then the latter is Nihlus.

Sakhmeov Well said!

tbf the rest of legends never questioned itself like kotor 2 did, just vaguely meandered about as the same conflicts repeated themselves. something which kotor 2 criticizes. disneys only games so far are the battlefront reboots and fallen order, which the latter is good on its own terms but not for its critique of the force, but instead for its focus on mental health and recovering from trauma. while i'd love to see a reboot of the kotor franchise, i'd more like to see a return to the same form. kotor 1/2 are impressive works, but only a remaster should be done for them so as to preserve the core of the games. (also to actually finish content left unfinished in kotor 2, which shouldn't take too much effort since we already have mods patching some of it)

@@nat-fs3ms Simply playing either KoToR game in a decent or completed form takes forever because of all the modding involved. I speak from experience. Modding makes KoToR a much more enjoyable experience but at the same time causes problems bc you never know when to stop installing mods or improvements and keep finding mods which allegedly "improve" the game but end up requiring fixes. They honestly need to remaster it and possibly take suggestions from all the mods out there to improve it

idk, the Bendu from Star Wars Rebels was cool and that was from Disney.

@@mersenneprime1044 See the video about grey Jedis from this channel...

@@mersenneprime1044 apathy is death, but this is true the bendu was fine. but still representative of the problem with those who believe themselves unalligned or apathetic to the light and dark.

I never thought of that holy shiiit

It might also have some kind of aim to remove yourself from cycle of rebirths Force seems to like.

Without taking into account the retcons of the modern day, its very likely this isn't specifically true. If vader could become one with the force at the flip of a switch quite literally on his death bed, then its possible Kreia simply "fell" to the dark side of the force because of her need for raw power. Not because of her Alignment with the force. Also afaik you can't become one with the force unless its by choice anyhow. Whether Kreia was good or bad probably doesn't matter if she choses not to become one with the force, then she simply will not. Dark siders likely *can* become one with the force, however the dark side teachings generally see that sort of "faith" aspect of the force as weakness. Therefore it is simply not passed down, so its more likely sith simply don't know how to do that/and or refuse to become one with the force assuming they know the process of Spiritual ascension. Remember the Sith teachings is *very* dog eat dog mentality. Only strength matters. Training in the art of the spirit unless its to further ones power is virtually useless, as Historically sith that have tried to do spiritual shit in the past don't actually get stronger, and generally get fucked by their own machinations trying to *become* stronger in the force through spirituality/faith.

"But as I would do all of this for u little Jedi... I would only do it for ur knowledge and potential not appearance", "sorry not sorry🤷🏾"

me god mother

tfw no elderly sith goth gf

What an observation dammmm

i was thinking something similar while i was playing through the TSLRCM today

Also i just realized that the strength and relying on something like the force or a lightsaber is such a big theme, that it is even present in the mechanics! you can play the entire game without using the force or a lightsaber at all! you can play ith two blasters, max their abilities and you are set! it's amazing how even in that, it's present

I normally play/re-play KOTOR 2 trying to gain as much XP as I can, but you've now given me a whole other way to role-play the game!

stop reading too much into it. And she also bitches about everything over force skype when you dont take her along

Yeep feels sith just bunch extrovert who have big Ego they only care about themselves Ironically other people they treat you good person always have knowledge or charisma (most sith story) & Jedi is like other introvert to sensitive talk about their emotion sacrifice themselves because they care other people even they treat you like sh*t ( republic era)

Exactly, that led to their demise, eventually.

The Sith and Jedi needs to understand each side’s nature and balance it with your own strong will. Because in Buddhism, your desires are your own worst enemy.

Everything you said is all jedi crap The real problem is force not people but force that makes galaxy suffering trying to achieve "balance" in wich is turning everyone in galaxy it slave

Btw did you even watch this video?

There's a simpler saying in Christian Mythology. 'God helps those who help themselves.'

that’s a made up saying, something that actually isn’t practiced in Christianity, kind of like “This too shall pass”

@@LordTyph That's an American idiom, not a Christian saying. It was first coined by an English philosopher in the 1600s and made popular in the American Colonies by Benjamin Franklin. It does not appear anywhere in the Bible.

@@LordTyph most of Christianity is appropriated and not actually in the Bible

​@@hpatss4966 You really defined religion in this one phrase lol

mATHETICS kathleen kennedy called she said the force is female

The KOTOR games are far superior to Disney's sequel trilogy, Rian, Kathy Kennedy and those sjw activists and the Lucasfilm Story Group are so cynical, they choose to spite the fans, and dismiss anything from the EU stories, and these games, and yet there is a treasure trove of information, elements they could use to draw on for inspiration, to adapt into new movies. But when they do this they just shoot themselves in the foot, because the sequel trilogy movies have nothing to say underneath, there is no substance there and they are now deeply inconsistent with TLJ, the continuity is messed up. All they had to do was heavily inspire Rey off of either Bastila, Jaina or Kreia, or they could have taken things from each of those EU characters all rolled into one. The only thing the character of Rey is heavily based off of, is New-Wave Feminism.

@@RaikenXion What does star wars have to do with sjw activists?

Hildegard von Bingen this is true but they could have done something in their own way but they chose to ignore it. Kotor 1 and 2’s stories will never come out right on the big screen but they could have used the original timeline to help with their trilogy.

@@hildegardvonbingen9092 well you are right but. Fuck, it doesnt take much to change from the plot of "BIG SHIP DO BOOM BAD GUY WANTS TO KILL GOOD GUYS". But who cares its just pop culture, not serious business.

Thank you, this was one of things that kept nagging me all along during my lightside run (my only run) - Kreia just wanted to teach the exile how to change the world. She did so while attempting her own change in the world - by spreading her own ideology. Makes me think of self fulfilling prophecies and Von Neumann machines.

This is a very underrated comment. Why isn't this given more likes?!

In fact... it would be super-cool to make the latter half of your third paragraph its own mod, called "The Rise of the Rebellion", that not only reflects the refugees in Nar Shadaa, but also with the Ithorians on Telos (by training them to be able to defend themselves against Czerka and their likening).

@@mr.fabulousmegardev6256 The Ithorians will never fight however. They have the means to fight but refuse to do so.

Your idea is good,but you are forgetting that the more an organization grows the more the possibility of corruption there is.

the guy is pedophile

Aaron Brindley Yes, I can say the same of SWTOR actually even if it’s not as philosophically deep as KOTOR. Our society and generation is severely lacking if it takes a game to do a better job at instilling values.

@@a.m.9993 Our society has lacked depth for a while now. Kreia is an existentialist. Don't help others for the sake of feeling virtuous. Don't be a tyrant for the sake of power. Living on the border of chaos and order is the divine creating force of the universe. We've titled too far into chaos we've mistaken for freedom. We lack discipline and so we forsake responsibility. We will all pay the price unless we create our own echos. Like Kreia says.

Sydnius Alminia same😂😂

Kodiak I actually just finished playing KOTOR 2 ( I watched this video before actually playing both games because it caught my interest) and I have to say the beauty and depth of both stories brings tears to my eyes. I thought I wouldn’t like KOTOR 2 as much as the first one but I came to realize there was so much wisdom in it, especially with Kreia. Although I already have my own religious beliefs, there is so much to gain from the characters, so many lessons. I was impressed by the conviction of each member of the Exile’s crew, as well as by their gradual character development. I feel as though they are the mentors I never had, and I in turn taught them as well. Even Kreia, being “evil,” through all of her lessons, impacted my perspective on life. Thus, watching this video now has so much more weight.

Darth Dictionarius here, your first lesson my apprentice: Through the challenges*, now go forth and murder me some Jedi. I offer you UN.. LIMI.. TED lexical advice.

So, as I offer... Unlimited Lexical Advice!

I doubt she would feel upset for giving the knowledge because we do not truly know it until we have perceived it. She would be upset if you experienced it and still didn't learn, which is something ,from my perspective, that happens all too often.

Ian Baker True, Kreia loathes the idea of wisdom being wasted on those who chose to ignore it. I wonder though how she feels about acquiring something vs having something given to you?

Dave Smith It's a great question, value is subjective and completely in the eye of the beholder. I do see your point about it holding less value. Because it was given and not earned. But that also is subjective and only true from a certain point of view. :-)

Same. But Obsidian is making good games again. We can hope my friend.

Energeyser The obsidian that made Kotor 2 is long gone, I doubt we’ll ever get a SW game like it again.

MDP_Toaster Obsidian, even in its current form, is able to make games like kotor 2. But with Disney and EA at the helm of Star Wars, they and other studios who could craft stories worthy of kotor 2 will never get their hands on the license.

it's finished in a sense in SWTOR, you meet Revan in a flashpoint and the force apparition of the exile

Aaron Page No one who truly liked kotor accepts what SWTOR did to Revan and the Exile. And since Disney erased all of the EU, they don’t have to

TheAnimator727 No Sara, then no Kriea. Unless they bring a younger version of her

@@adelerodriguez5636 Some amazing stuff about her becoming Kreia, for example?..

She sounds like Dahlia Gillespie from Silent Hill 1, but less dramatic. I'll have to see if the names line up. Edit: I was wrong. Dahlia was voiced by Liz Mamorsky. RIP.

One hsould get in contact with her and tell her how much the community appreciates her work. I mean Sara kestelman is already in her 80s (afaik) so.. I think she should know how much of an impact she made with that character alone! And how much more popular she got nowadays :D

Palpatines philosophy is, arguably, pretty simple though

On one hand she would loathe Palpatine for being so reliant on the dark side of the force, for without it he is just a frail old man. But then she would compliment his skills as a master manipulator and a politician, a talent that you do not need the force for.

@@Da1337Man palpatine becoming emperor was like 70% manipulation, 30% dark side.

@@Timebomb_19 That 30% comes in quite handy though when you're up against Mace Goddamn Windu and Master Yoda.

@@Da1337Man True but he wouldn't be as good at it without the Darkside and his ability to foresee future events. How else could he make sure "everything proceeds as he has foreseen"?

Much of my english vocabulary has been learned in games, hell, even me speaking a second language is thanks to videogames.

@@MarlonSolisFallas Ikr. Greetings from Hungary.

Kill or Be Killed, Trust N0 0NE ? lol...

@@MarlonSolisFallas i also learn English from Final Fantasy 7 :))

Kreia has nothing of use to teach me, I'm afraid.

Leeeeaaaarrrrrnnnnniiinnnnggg... It hurts, make it stop :c

Medieval religious zealots: *Hmmmmmmmm* 🤔

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One of her few jokes

Please have the decency to timestamp, especially on a 2-hour video

Same, I’m really trying to use it to springboard into a Star Wars script I be been brainstorming for years lolol

MandaloreGaming if only Kriea and her philosophy were canon.

Rebels and Episode 8 are moving it towards that.

Yeah, but it's Disney...there's going to be some SJW propaganda involved that will surely affect the differing ideologies. Have you seen the Disney parks? They're just feeding the idea that Jedi=Good, Sith=Bad. They're not gonna teach the kids to explore and learn about the different sides in the Star Wars universe. I hope the kids can escape this grasp from Disney, and actually further delve deep to what this expansive universe has to offer! To sum it all up, they're going to condense and water down the previous ideas of George Lucas, sprinkle their own bullshit, and then market it to the kids who are most likely going to be brainwashed by the Disney bullshit.

The kids will find the true for themselves trough the layers of bullshit. The stronger ones at least.

Ily

Kreia herself doesn't even scold you horribly. She simply wants you to make your *own choices*. It's why she loved Revan, in a way. Revan was always himself.

@@Aqueox ... Well, until he wasn't.

@@Dogmelter42 I do not acknowledge false tales.

But Kreia's ideas don't seem to be very well thought out at all, she seems more like a postmodern edgelord hiding bad ideas behind fancy words and shock value. Helping others by empowering them to become more self-reliant is of course better than doing all their work for them, but providing your help as a booster rocket to get them to that level where they can help themselves is entirely admirable, and no civilization could possibly survive without that kind of cooperation. Kreia's idea of providing no help at all under any circumstances, because every individual should have to swim or die on their own as if they were an island, is not only evil... It's massively illogical because no kind of galactic civilization could even be possible without some form of mutual cooperation and mentorship by those who have already achieved more experience and can pass that on to you. If two parents tried to raise their one month old baby so that someday they can become a successful adult, I feel like Kreia would be telling the parents that they were wrong to rob the child of its challenge, and tell them to next time let the baby feed itself. ... Now those parents have one dead baby, and a smug Kreia expecting a thank you.

@@StudM01 I disagree she never said don't help but only help if it's going to add to your life, an example feeding your child is good for you so Kraya would agree with this decision but if your child is an adult teach them to fish and let them feed themselves she's not above teaching you to help yourself and how to do it but she's not going to let you become dependent on others I feel you missed her whole point and belief system

That's one of the best calls, I deem. She was constantly repeating about death of the Force - but what did we start to do after awakening? Listen to the Force and use forgotten abilities. "The end."

​@@visvald_of_volga_areaapathy is life

She probably thought that if she let Nihilus alone, he'd become such an unstoppable problem that it would prevent any future for anything at all. Nihilus eats life, not just Force. I doubt she wanted total omnicide.

She states in the game how Nihlus needs to be destroyed because his teachings need to be buried forever so no one else can rise and claim his mantle--committing more horrific atrocities and most likely destroying the galaxy altogether if left unchallenged. His threat was far too great to be ignored.

@@blackosprey2219, well, life cannot exist without the Force, so it wouldn't have mattered regardless.

I will never delete this.

"Hesitation is defeat" - Isshin Ashina

I'm singing this in my head now. Thanks xD

Annoying Recitation: Let us proceed to facilitate communications.

chocolate is delicious

There is no death, there is only the Force.

I agree with this interpretation. It's far more likely Kreia bested Yusanis in his own traditional battle and he submitted to her. I believe in the game they mentioned he followed Kae into battle against the Mandalorians, which to me indicates his submission to her.

When I was younger I didn't care for it to much, now that I'm older I get what they were trying to say

Tbh, I kinda felt cheated a bit there. You are only given two binary options, with no more nuance. And then, scolds you for it. It's a bit... cheap. I get the point they're trying to make, but... it's still a bit unfair.

+Antonio - That's due to an interpretation of what one wants out of a game. There's the love of the narrative constantly fighting with the love of the gameplay, of games in general. We want it to be inherently and unerringly fair because then we have an equal chance of "winning" based on our input. Most play games for this experience, not for life lessons.

True, but still.

Antonio SCENDRATE GATTICO watch ground hog day, its sad, but it has a poignant message about poverty and helping people too. he keeps reliving the same day(bill murray), he doesnt know why, he tries to escape it eventually, but mostly he learns to care for others, cheif among them a man he sees die every day, he keeps trying to find ways to save him, and fails. every time.... its so very sad and it impacted me when i was a kid when i watched it, its a very sad movie in a suprising way the moral is at the end he learns a important lesson about that man, to treasure him and just help him have a good last meal with the warmth of someone caring for him and helping him get in a warm and comfortable place to have a meal together, and its all about the facial expressions in these scenes, the warmth, and the hope, and the happyness, and its about how important it is to face that sometimes we cannot change a fate, but we can change how they recieve that fate, or how we treat those around us regardless.

I agree with everything u said

What's scary is you're probably not trolling

@Dalen Lewin not you ya fuck wit the OP

The Max LVL That's pretty cool. You should try to remember this comment of yours so you can show to your daughter when she is able to understand the philosophy. If that's actually the case, hi Kreia lol I wonder how good or bad all these comments criticising Disney will age

@@jennytalia6724 Your comment is cruel. You should ask yourself why.

Have you seen the Mandalorian? The production team probably played through the kotor games a dozen times

This helped me a ton with getting ideas for my novel. it's so good.

@@miklosszabo4551 putting in Easter Eggs is not the same as playing both games and paying close attention to the story and the dialogue. I do not think many people working at LF have even played Kotor 2

@@RogersRoger I would hardly call a whole episode about a Krayt Dragon an easter egg

@@miklosszabo4551 why do you think so?

You're so right. I love star wars, this star wars. Not the shit we're fed nowadays

the sad thing is, I cant watch both preKyloRen trilogies anymore thanks to KOTOR1&2's depth. And I dunno if I should be thankful or disgusted by the impact Kreia, Revan & others had on me from this :/

Evilriku13 if it makes you guys feel any better, the Disney Star Wars is now being proven now more than ever (even Disney will admit this) that Star Wars under their control is a dumpster fire because they’ve made it so. Merchandise isn’t being bought, Galaxy’s Edge is a portion of Disneyland that remains empty, and younger generations don’t even like the franchise anymore. It’s only a matter of time before the franchise is deemed worthless to Disney and can return to more capable hands

@Daisycutting2 i totally agree with you and to be frank, a game series as KOTAR 1&2 can NEVER occur again ... unless it's a remake like what is being done with Final Fantasy 7. To explain my point take these facts regarding the force sensitive population in account, some of which were explained in this video (These, viewed from the movies era excluding the Clone Wars); 1- The Jedi Order, at the time of the movies, can be counted for about 95% of the "trained" force users 2- The Sith order members would account for possibly 0.1 to 0.5% of the population (Yoda; "There are always 2 Sith; The Master and The Apprentice), i'm willing to go up to 0.5% of that population to include potential trained Sith assassins 3- The rest would be Force sensitive individuals that were never found by both orders with the exception of 4- 0,000...1% of the trained Force Sensitive population that could be classified as Grey Jedi. As stated in the Video, Kreia is a TOTAL ANOMALY as 1 she was trained as a Jedi that fell to the Dark side. In there, she was ... Trapped until her link was severed, which in turn forced her to review her obsession for Power (I know i'm oversimplifying but meh) AND she survive the encounter with the Siths that performed that act. This series of events would be so rare in the Star Wars universe that it can only be the exception that confirms the rule and even this last statement is WAY too LIGHT in my taste. Thus, with all those elements combined ... i think that an other game with 2nd character that would desire to make the universe "desensitized" from the force, as Kreia desired, would simply be an aberration.

This shit is canon to me.....

Alexander Melrose I’ve seen TLJ twice and whenever someone says it was ‘risky’ and ‘deconstructs’ Star Wars I just wish I could show everyone Kotor2

Just as KOTOR II was a critique of the Star Wars mythos at the time, maybe someone will come along and provide a reaction to this new era. As for now, we may just see the same story play out in a repetitive loop.

Isn't that the problem though, because we've seen this possible conclusion we either accept it could have ended once, or that we just enjoy starwars for its conflict. I think at least they showed luke as the apathetic grey living as a hermit uninterested in taking part, that was probably the best way it could have gone for him unless they turned him into kreia v2. it is a shame though that personally i do find a lot more depth in the exile and kreia than i do in rey and luke. kotor 2 is just a well rounded story that hinted at a possible resolution but would have also meant the end of what makes star wars interesting/unique. there is also the fact that rpgs are inherently better at immersion than movies tend to be. your able to really squeeze depth out of kotor 2 in a way that no single movie will ever be able to match, maybe a trilogy.

KOTOR II just had the advantage of hours of exposition and storytelling to get the philosophy out. A movie, or even a trilogy, has to get everything done within the timeframe, and with more symbology. As long as the new trilogy really gets to the fundamentals and conclusions of what KOTOR II sought to show, I'd be happy :)

Well said to both Heathy and Philip Sangalang. It is certainly an unrealistic expectation to compare the media of games (or books) to that of film. Films have to do a lot in a window of 2-3 hours. There is something quite special about a movie that can develop a character and set up the plot within a short timeframe, and they deserve nothing but praise. I do hope Disney can parse out the valid criticism of the Last Jedi and make improvements. As for me, the era of Star Wars fandom may have passed.

The Act Man it is a damn good video totally worth watching. Just got done watching your Kotor video a few minutes ago lol.

Hello there!

So KOTOR 2, ActMan?

The Act Man If you make a KOTOR 2 video, don't forget to mention Chris Avellone's original vision for the True Sith.

I recently discovered your channel because of your review of KOTOR. I love all your halo videos as well. Your channel is amazing.

yes, very much so.

Abel Rodrigues but how do you live by these words? Its a fantasy story with a message grounded to reality. Its easier to listen to wisdom than living by it.

Jake Tryon That's the story of buddhist monks' lives. They spend their entire lifetime meditating on Buddha's teachings and trying to reach nirvana but very few actually succeed.

I couldn't agree more

Bruh I watched this twice

Because she's a liar and a manipulator

@Shoenheim bro?😯

If you think she's good-looking, you must have taken a blaster bolt when I wasn't watching.

@@shotgunshells2 atton moment lmao

If someone were to train and study for a trade, would they be less human? It could be considered for more of a practical purpose.

Lol, earn a sub for that funny comment.

what is this? the tau?

Is this a reference to hot fuzz?

@@Airsickword can't wait for Darth Farsight

@@Morec0 E

Oh my god thank you i thought i was the only one that realized that.

This is a incredibly superficial and bad take.

@@SeanORaigh Coming from the guy who defends the Sequels... which means you don't have much to offer in relation to a conversation about something being "superficial."

@@SeanORaigh Care to explain yourself at all?

@@lukaschapman9594 ofc not, this is npc and it has a limited dialogue ...

I think 2 had a superior story.

imo 2 is better but could have been EVEN BETTER IF THE ENDING WASN'T......... Y'KNOW 🤦🏽‍♂️

@@BriFiConnections If KOTOR is generic, then it must be hard for you in this age of gaming.

@@markmitin7397 it really is hard

Probably opening a can of worms here but I think KOTOR 2 is what The Last Jedi ought to have been. With a jaded Luke Skywalker taking on a Kreia-like attitude.

I think Thor Skywalker and EckhartsLadder are smarter Star Wars KZfaqrs than SWT, but this guy really does take it to a whole new level!

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 I wouldn't say smarter. Better said: More knowledgeable.

@@ChristianProtossDragoon yeah your right. Afterall, they're all great for different reasons.

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 :)

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 thor skywalker is dope but this guy makes it seem like he's teaching us the force lol

She was right.

That was more or less what happened when I first found the Morpheus conversation in Deus Ex. It utterly shocked me out of the game, and I didn't touch any games at all for a few days.

I agree. I think Kreia embodies overcoming psychological ambivalence (as described in multiple psychoanalytic frameworks), as in "the ability to live with and come to terms with contradictions, while still finding a way -your own way". To my knowledge, very few fictional characters achieve this in such a successful and clear manner. She makes me think of the 12th juror in 12 Angry Men -not because he makes everyone agree, but because he stands his ground for the sole reason that might (might) be right. Much like Kreia states that if she wins, she wants to win because she is right, not for any other reasons (such as being stronger or whatever).

Thought it was called "12 angry jurors", but yeah. All this.

@@saamjaza1742 In the US, the film is called 12 Angry Men.

Correct me if Im wrong, but they are talking on Taris. But you can add Bindo to the party in that part of the game, when you cant go back to Taris. How is that? Through the power of coding!

Maybe that is a misunderstanding of history then anything else.

@@PilarPPP The dialogue exists regardless of where you are. Jolee delivered this message to me on Korriban