The Philosophy of The First Hokage - A Contradiction (Naruto)

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@SagesRain
@SagesRain Жыл бұрын
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@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Hashirama was amazing in Shippuden.
@smugryo5466
@smugryo5466 Жыл бұрын
I simply think hes an idiot. Then again, who took the position of Hokage and didn't have hes own share of Idiosyncrasies?
@chadz52
@chadz52 Жыл бұрын
Another great video, sage rain
@ImADeity
@ImADeity Жыл бұрын
A true God of Shinobi
@Zsage-
@Zsage- Жыл бұрын
Sasuke vid when?
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Hashirama knew Madara's weakness much better than anyone. Which is, standing behind Madara.
@finlay9616
@finlay9616 Жыл бұрын
He's like the fighter equivalent of a turtle on its back
@jonathansolares8065
@jonathansolares8065 Жыл бұрын
honestly. my headcanon is this is true in a symbolic way, he never expected someone so close to him to betray him or attack from behind, his friend first then what he thought was "his own will" betrays him. I believe the parallel was probably unintentional that the 2 shown losses are from behind
@EternalBrightness3
@EternalBrightness3 Жыл бұрын
So did Zetsu apparently.
@naveenjacob2440
@naveenjacob2440 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathansolares8065 Absolutely intentional imo
@selfimprovement5873
@selfimprovement5873 Жыл бұрын
I can help but laugh when I saw this comment! Good one!
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
The sad thing is that Madara was both right and wrong. He knew that Hashirama's ideal of peace would never work. And he was wrong with Infinite Tsukuyomi
@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011
@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011 Жыл бұрын
MADARA WASN'T RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING, HE WAS A LUNATIC THAT KILLED PEOPLE THEN TOOK AN L AND COULDN'T HANDLE IT.
@soulextract640
@soulextract640 Жыл бұрын
​​@@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011 You're just rambling nonsense bro, I bet you didn't even watch the video. Your just another arrogant fool. *You think you get it, but that's different from actually getting it, get it?*
@nashwindsouza8092
@nashwindsouza8092 Жыл бұрын
Just asking what was wrong about infinite tsukynomi
@selfimprovement5873
@selfimprovement5873 Жыл бұрын
What was wrong about Tsukuyomi?
@Scarftail
@Scarftail Жыл бұрын
@nashwindsouza8092@@selfimprovement5873 Taking away free will for any reason is very clearly and obviously wrong. Would you sacrifice yours?
@Thebridge258
@Thebridge258 Жыл бұрын
Irony is that in hashirama building the village he just repackaged the system in which he was born into
@adamadeyinka5753
@adamadeyinka5753 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@lastzulu180
@lastzulu180 Жыл бұрын
How explain
@JoaoLima-pq1hm
@JoaoLima-pq1hm Жыл бұрын
Moreover, the village itself institutionalized it and took it to a next level.
@aphelios7852
@aphelios7852 Жыл бұрын
@@lastzulu180 The whole reason he made the village is so kids wouldnt need to kill each other But the village still did use child soldiers and kills children(Itachi wiping out his clan) to preserve peace
@sideactivist
@sideactivist 9 ай бұрын
I agree to an extent. He might have repackaged the system, but I’m not sure if such drastic change was capable of happening in one generation. This is why I like Hashirama and Madara’s last talk cause they acknowledge that they couldn’t solve all the problems in the shinobi world single handedly, they needed to carry their ideals to the next generation so that they can pick up the work.
@thewanderingronin5433
@thewanderingronin5433 Жыл бұрын
Hashirama: " I'll kill anyone who threatens the village or peace!" Madara: " You sound like our fathers." I often think about how the future would play out if this exchange happened during their final battle
@karthiknarayanan3705
@karthiknarayanan3705 Жыл бұрын
Yet the fandom shits on Naruto for not giving up on Sasuke and not taking the "rational" decision of killing him off. 🤷🤷
@Scarftail
@Scarftail Жыл бұрын
@@karthiknarayanan3705 They seem to call it Naruto "forcing" a friendship when in reality it was Naruto trying to save his friend from going down the wrong path. Sasuke never actually said Naruto is no longer his friend. He simply said having such emotions gets in the way of his vengeance. It would be like if you just accepted that your friend cut ties with you because they were too invested in their drug addiction versus trying to get him clean.
@hailthequeenFM
@hailthequeenFM Жыл бұрын
@@Scarftail look hot take incoming, if I was Sasuke, I would have killed Naruto long before the bridge not out of hatred but out pure and genuine annoyance with him.
@thewanderingronin5433
@thewanderingronin5433 Жыл бұрын
​​@@hailthequeenFM Funny I say the same thing about sasuke. Naruto should've put him in the dirt
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
@@hailthequeenFM me too naruto way never give sometimes make him stubborn and annoying he doesn't take no for answer
@liberaltears1714
@liberaltears1714 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny that tobirama deemed the uchiha a clan cursed by hatred but he has the same hateful red eyes
@h.e.d9499
@h.e.d9499 12 күн бұрын
Good analysis this may be a year ago, but not even I caught on that.
@Light-l-l
@Light-l-l Жыл бұрын
Hashirama shows that true power is not savage and ruthless but caring and nurturing
@thewanderingronin5433
@thewanderingronin5433 Жыл бұрын
He was strong enough to be gentle
@reynemanzano
@reynemanzano Жыл бұрын
A true father provides both structure and encouragement
@tjhicks3600
@tjhicks3600 11 ай бұрын
W comments
@f0327
@f0327 Жыл бұрын
the only non-uchiha who genuinely understood and cared about the uchihas
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
What about Naruto and Sakura?
@f0327
@f0327 Жыл бұрын
@@SpammytheHedgehog i don't think they cared about the whole uchiha clan, because they only cared about one uchiha. but we can't really tell cause by the time naruto and sakura became friends with sasuke, there was no uchiha clan
@kholispo6800
@kholispo6800 Жыл бұрын
@@f0327 in the novel sasuke shinden, naruto used his public influence to redeem the honor of the uchiha clans, he even cleared the name of itachi
@Andrew-px9fj
@Andrew-px9fj Жыл бұрын
@@kholispo6800 wtf why clear the name of Itachi?? Genuinely curious on that one... In fact Itachi was the one that tecnically cleared the Uchias because no one in the public knew of the coup and the people had empathy for the Uchia and hate tward's Itachi. That exactly why he sacrificed himself... His main goal was to keep peace in the village and allow it to prosper by keeping tabs in the akatsuki while he could, put respect/clear the Uchias name and also save Sasuke...
@allipse8224
@allipse8224 Жыл бұрын
​@@Andrew-px9fj dude is making shit up
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Hashirama is SO legendary that no one knows how he died.
@Planetdestroyer.138
@Planetdestroyer.138 Жыл бұрын
Probably because of old age because when Edo Madara used wood release Tsunade knew and explained every jutsu and when hashirama saw Sakura he said that she's stronger than Tsunade He lived a long life
@williamreina8040
@williamreina8040 Жыл бұрын
​​@@Planetdestroyer.138 The thing is: it's stated that the edo tensei brings you back as you died, the only exception is Madara as Kabuto modified him, he told Obito that he worked so hard in Madara's body, Hirusen on the other hand was brought back as an old man for example
@Planetdestroyer.138
@Planetdestroyer.138 Жыл бұрын
@@williamreina8040 some characters look young while they're damn old
@CMoney007
@CMoney007 Жыл бұрын
The mafia came after him for his gambling debt 😂😂😂
@theonlydan8782
@theonlydan8782 Жыл бұрын
@@williamreina8040 well he wouldn’t look very old due to his cells right?
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
For someone called the God of Shinobi... I wish we saw more of Hashirama's backstory.
@DM-Oz
@DM-Oz Жыл бұрын
Please dont ask for more flashbacks, haha.
@Bilaldane
@Bilaldane Жыл бұрын
yh I was voting for him in the naruto poll but sad he didn't win, still gassed to see Minato tho
@FrostyPeace10
@FrostyPeace10 Жыл бұрын
Hashirama was also the one who started the tradition of turning people into jinchuriki, starting with _his own wife_ . And we know how much suffering *that* caused, not only for the jinchuriki but also for the tailed beasts and those around them.
@ghost245353
@ghost245353 Жыл бұрын
Did he plan to use his wife as a weapon of war? We don't know. He could have simply wanted to contain and monitor the nine tails. Harishama did tell Kurama that he was too dangerous to be left alone. I feel like that was a mistake. I want to believe the Hashirama felt this way about Kurama primarily because Madara mind controlled the nine tails to fight Hashirama.
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
Hashirama is an idiot like the sage of the six paths who give humans that kill each power and used that power to kill each other they didn't use it to understand each other indra his son said and he was right Hashirama like the sage of six paths made things worse with jinchuriki and shinobi system that is the problem with ashura and Hashirama and naruto thier ideologies is too naive and idealistic they think that friendship can solve every problem indra had more realistic ideologie with power he means that thier should be law order and rules just because he disagree with thier naive ideology they called him evill just because he had a different opinion
@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954
@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 Жыл бұрын
Actually, it was stated that SHE sealed Kurama in herself mid fight with Madara. Reminder that Madara alone was problem, if he got hold of Kurama again(In Manga Madara destroyed all of Buddha arms, so Hashi would be at disadvantage), Hashirama would probably lose. So it was smart decision
@theHinataTheory
@theHinataTheory 7 ай бұрын
Good point. Hashirama maked suffer his "wife. Now... imagine Mito was Madara's girlfriend and they was just running away. And Hashirama killed Madara to bring back Mito, the first jinchuuriki, to the Village in order to preserve the newborned "System" of Bijuus to seal on Jinchuurikies People... really don't get it. The story of the Valley of End... it's just a version. HASHIRAMA's version (when he talk to Sasuke). Madara never spoked about the Valley of the End. We don't know Madara's version. If Mito was Madara's girlfriend, if they was in love and just running away, and then if Hashirama is the Tyrant who sacrificied their Love for a System and a selfish/wrong idea of peace. Maybe... Will of Fire is just HELL. Just a endless sacrifice to feed a hellish System.
@milky8471
@milky8471 28 күн бұрын
It was Mito herself who did it.
@daniellado2523
@daniellado2523 Жыл бұрын
Although others might think he was a moron at points when being the first hokage (like talking to the other chiefs from other villages) , he is a man that wanted to be as peaceful as possible to everyone. Especially after so many years of war, he didn't want others to feel the lose he did. To a point he even was willing to die even if there was a chance at peace. To that I commend him for his efforts.
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Right.
@eugenestevenkong9430
@eugenestevenkong9430 Жыл бұрын
Do people keep forgetting that he lost two of his brothers and had an asshole of a father?
@wwe12153
@wwe12153 Жыл бұрын
he is basically a mary sue , not in a bad way though , he is entertaining , but he needed a lot more development
@nirokal
@nirokal Жыл бұрын
​@@wwe12153 He's not a Mary Sue. He struggles a lot, gets depressed easily, loses most of his direct family and can't even keep his best friend in the village. His brother makes most of his political decisions for him. Yes he's powerful and the greatest hokage to ever exist but he's got his flaws.
@tyrelgovan238
@tyrelgovan238 Жыл бұрын
This comment deserves a LOT more attention
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
I realized that Danzō was the type of guy who would twist Hashirama's ideology for peace.
@thewanderingronin5433
@thewanderingronin5433 Жыл бұрын
Danzo is actually a perfect embodiment of the contradiction Madara mentioned. Wanting to protect the village and peace, yet craving war and power, also Hashirama praised Itachi, so I'd imagine he'd give props to Danzo as well
@AdmarilDarius
@AdmarilDarius Жыл бұрын
Danzo personifies the failings of the OG set of Hokage. He has Hashirama's ideology, Tobirama's general outlook and compensates for Sarutobi's weakness.
@Andrew-px9fj
@Andrew-px9fj Жыл бұрын
@@thewanderingronin5433 complete bs, if madara didnt leave the village and also create obito later, the Uchias would likely not plan a coup. I like how u all say that while taking away any responsibility from Madara. And Im by no mean justifying Itachi or specially Danzos actions...
@AsadAyub-kx9xw
@AsadAyub-kx9xw 9 ай бұрын
​@@Andrew-px9fjthe coup would still happen it was inevitable with danzo around. Don't you remember he was the reason why it happened bcz he wanted their sharingan . He pushed them to the outskirts of the village he planned it .
@AsadAyub-kx9xw
@AsadAyub-kx9xw 9 ай бұрын
​@@Andrew-px9fjyk Madara left for a reason . He knew that the Uchiha will get undermined by the senju and their ideals . He told his clan to follow him they said no and they got massacred by orders of konoha
@Jesusblowsme666
@Jesusblowsme666 Жыл бұрын
I think it's inherently beautiful when powerful characters are shown to be flawed individuals since it's what gives the audience the ability to relate with them.
@-UnknownHero
@-UnknownHero Жыл бұрын
I have been thinking about the "I will protect the village, even if it means I have to kill my own brother" statement by Hashirama and Madara's reply "No, you got it all wrong. The village was meant to protect your brother" since it was released all those years ago. I am still not sure who was (more) right
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
I agree with madrara he was right end 33 proves it
@azureascendant994
@azureascendant994 9 ай бұрын
When Madara brought nine tails to the village to kill everyone who lives within Madara left Hashirama with no choice but to kill Madara. Madara forced Hashirama into that position. If your brother turns against you and tempts to kill your family and neighbors, Are you just going to let him do it? No. The fault isn't solely on Hashirama's shoulders but Madara as well. Hashirama really lived up to his word though. 😌
@maagic2031
@maagic2031 9 ай бұрын
Every ninja in the series struggles with the contradiction between “being a ninja” and “being a person” but none struggle as hard as Hashirama. He wants to love, he wants to see life flourish, he wants to be surrounded by his friends. But in order to do any of that, he is convinced that he needs to sever bonds to protect what truly matters. I think that’s why he admired Itachi so much and was so charitable to Sasuke. Itachi was always able to put his village before his bonds, something that Hashirama struggled to do until he killed Madara. The problem is that Hashirama doesn’t even see the cruel irony in saying this in front of Sasuke, whose life was ruined by this. When you start seeing “the village” as your child, it’s easy to ignore all of the actual children dying to support it. Its funny, in a very dark way, but I think meeting Hashirama is what convinces Sasuke to kill all Kage. This isn’t a Leaf problem, it’s a problem with anyone who puts the existence of their village above the lives of the people in the village. If Hashirama couldn’t get it, why would his granddaughter or Onoki or Mei get it?
@AntoineArvie-4eva
@AntoineArvie-4eva 6 ай бұрын
You speak with conviction. The points you bring up are accurate, I cannot contradict that. However.... despite the validity of your concerns...you are wrong. I will not elaborate. Farewell.
@Argos-xb8ek
@Argos-xb8ek Жыл бұрын
Hashirama is really an underrated character when it comes to breaking down characters from the series. The man had a heart when had every reason not to. The compassion and openhanded nature of Hashirama was something i feel is overlooked in the fandom. This man was a true visionary in his world
@Dkvizu
@Dkvizu Жыл бұрын
It’s wild how listening to these synopses part of me feels like he’s talking about real people. You got a gift there bro. Keep it up
@olli-lfe
@olli-lfe Жыл бұрын
Knowing all this makes Naruto and Sasuke's story even more poetic. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@Aslavetofreedom
@Aslavetofreedom Жыл бұрын
“But these errors show us that even the god of shinobi is not above any man” keep up the good work man
@sithmaster4305
@sithmaster4305 Жыл бұрын
Hashirama is probably one of my favorite characters if not the favorite of the entire naruto series for me . Strong and kind. Honestly i love both the 1st and second.
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
I understood Hashirama wanting peace, but it would've never worked out. Everyone has their own mind and not everyone shares Hashirama's ideology of wanting peace.
@-UnknownHero
@-UnknownHero Жыл бұрын
I agree to partly. I think most people who fought battles or suffered from war want peace. However, he was on the winning side with a large country, so enough resources for them. It was never stated but I guess those wars started, because there were not enough resources. So, it was easy to say for him that it is not worth it anymore
@sauceboss9610
@sauceboss9610 Жыл бұрын
But everyone wants to see tomorrow
@ericrivas4106
@ericrivas4106 Жыл бұрын
Minus the whole black zetsu/ kaguya shoe-in, Kishimoto wrote such a brilliant story.
@r.a.panimefan2109
@r.a.panimefan2109 Жыл бұрын
Naruto is a collection of amazing premises. But it isn't crafted into a masterpiece. There are major problems in this series. Plot holes. Lack of character development. World devel. Major holes in the history of the world. Also horrid power creep.
@AK-su3tz
@AK-su3tz Жыл бұрын
@@r.a.panimefan2109There are no plot holes
@r.a.panimefan2109
@r.a.panimefan2109 Жыл бұрын
@AK either your blind. Your new or your u r in total denial Instead of me wasting my time how bought u go look into them. Nc hammer has a doozy So does swag
@bazmioperzys626
@bazmioperzys626 Жыл бұрын
@@AK-su3tz no story ever has had no plot holes
@AK-su3tz
@AK-su3tz Жыл бұрын
@@bazmioperzys626 Name a plot hole in Fmab
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Hashirama's favorite hobby was trimming bonsai trees.
@ziadyaacoub2532
@ziadyaacoub2532 Жыл бұрын
You missed a huge point the will of fire was supposed to be passed down for future generations. So they can achieve what hashirama and madara couldn't. Which eventually brought piece with naruto.
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Hashirama was strong but not strong enough to outlast Tobirama's verbal abuse.
@obadijahparks
@obadijahparks Жыл бұрын
Naruto. The anime where everyone is flawed. Everyone has strength. Everyone will eventually break.
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
If Hashirama was raised in the Land of Water, then he would've called it the "Will of Water."
@Avocado_Ruler
@Avocado_Ruler Жыл бұрын
“ Will of thirsty” 😂
@law_of_aviation3286
@law_of_aviation3286 Жыл бұрын
these videos genuinely are some of my favourites ever simply because of how you present these topics so maturely, thank you
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
I wish we got a spinoff on Hashirama.
@Black_Guy
@Black_Guy Жыл бұрын
This is probably the best analysis of Hashirama that I have heard. Great video
@brandonadrien3476
@brandonadrien3476 Жыл бұрын
Having peace in the shinobi world is such a contradiction because it IS the shinobi world. To be a shinobi is to be a person that lives alongside conflict (not to say no one lives without conflict). It's tied to the core of their being. The system of ninja education, ninja missions, jutsu, torture, etc. To be a shinobi is basically utilize one's violent/manipulative services to someone's benefit or use them to counter other ninjas. One could argue that if there was peace in the shinobi world, the shinobi world would die cuz peace makes them obsolete... now I'm starting to sound like an Infinite Tsukuyomi advocate 😂 It's like that 2-question quiz from the HxH Hunter exam. No right answer, but no one gets to slide with just being silent here. A side must be taken.
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
Madrara was right end 33 proves the shnobi system hashirama created is hell
@fatihk1194
@fatihk1194 Жыл бұрын
You are so right.Shinobi exist because of their skill of fighting and violence. If peace lasts forever they will end up unemployed and starve. So there must be war and violence to shinobi have a value in real life.
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
@@fatihk1194 kishimoto said that he wanted the villains to antiheros that had reasons to go against the shnobi system and heros obey the system and are blind loyal to their vliages that it becomes obsession they can't go five 5 without saying for the village they justify killing stealing and war be saying is justified because it is for the sake of the village that way thinking is carzy it is what created villains like nagato when say what about my friends my family and if ninja goes against the shnobi system or disagree with it then say thier evil simply because they don't agree with thier way of thinking
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
@@fatihk1194 you the said thing that if you think about many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny naruto is the child of destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic the villains a had a more realistic view in life what is your opinion
@fatihk1194
@fatihk1194 Жыл бұрын
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 You have a point. I think village system was better than chaos from Hashiramas time. It is based on Japanese feudal war period Sengoku Jidai. Villages and daimyo provide safety for children and civilians and put the risk on adult shinobi. It is better than before but shinobi is raised for battle anyway. It is the same as today when a government choose to start a war people suffers. Someone must become soldiers to protect his people if this happens.
@John-qf9nr
@John-qf9nr Жыл бұрын
Was naruto always this beautiful? Suddenly Hashirama is one of my favorite characters, seriously amazing video
@ComposedSage75
@ComposedSage75 Жыл бұрын
No matter the era there was always gonna be war, bloodshed, loss, hate, distrust, separation, etc. The fact that the villages themselves (specifically Konoha) were created in the hopes of having a dwelling place for the citizens to be able to live without the fear of being killed day after day like in the past. Unfortunately, Hashirama and Madara’s dreams shifted and they no longer could see eye to eye when it came to the ideologies and future of the village that it lead to them fighting each other even after “peace” was made. There will always be the cycle of fighting, killing, and war just like the first sentence I wrote.
@RaphaCramer
@RaphaCramer Жыл бұрын
So, Pain was right after all
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
Many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny naruto is the child of destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic
@kooriosity
@kooriosity Жыл бұрын
This was a lovely video on the humanity of hashirama I really loved this But I was also reminded of a previous video on Uncle Iroh His humanity, his flaws were something I sensed but didn't want to accommodate since I felt they tarnished his image. But you're video shed light on the fact that it was those very things that made him human and such a wholesome character. And I really am grateful for that insight. Thank you for making these videos
@marko1263
@marko1263 Жыл бұрын
Madara's biggest mistake was shaking hands with Hashirama and founding the village, he was too blinded by his charisma to see what's looming on the horizon for his clan. Izuna was more perceptive and if he was alive he'd see through the Senju deception. And his second biggest mistake was leaving the clan headless and leaderless to Tobirama's mercy.
@Vietmac1993
@Vietmac1993 Жыл бұрын
To be fair to Madara, Hashirama would have killed himself to ensure peace between Senju and Uchiha. Madara still considered Hashirama a friend deep down. Also Madara shaking hands with Hashirama safely secured peace for the Uchiha clan. If Tobirama took over as clan head instead of Hashirama, I highly doubt Tobirama would not guarantee peace between the Senju and Uchiha. As far as Madara leaving the clan headless and leaderless, the Uchiha clan turned its back on Madara and even if Madara left the clan, someone else probably took over as clan head. Fugaku was a clan head so someone else definitely took leadership after Madara left.
@lastzulu180
@lastzulu180 Жыл бұрын
You're actually pretty wrong the problem was not the village the problem was the second hokage because he cannot let go of his anger and hatred
@mawandembatha6622
@mawandembatha6622 Жыл бұрын
You forget that the Uchiha's themselves didn't like Madara and his ways. Hashirama was voted in as Hokage by majority Uchiha and Senju. Everyone was tired of war and fighting and so wanted to come together to usher in peace, something Madara couldn't accept. If he genuinely worked with Hashirama without ulterior motives to better the village, things genuinely wouldn't have gone so wrong. The reason the Uchiha have such a bad reputation is Madara's fault, with him controlling the Nine tails and fighting against the Hokage
@mawandembatha6622
@mawandembatha6622 Жыл бұрын
​@@lastzulu180Tobirama didn't hate the Uchiha, he understood them more than anyone else hence why he knows that the Uchiha as a clan are driven by love, even more so than Senju. He made them police because he knew that a Sharingan is good for stopping violence in the village without a need to fight via genjitsu. Madara was the reason the Uchiha weren't trusted, made worse when Obito attacked the village. If Madara had been a good leader for the Uchiha, the clan would've been very respected and not faced discrimination since he's the one who took control of the nine tails and attacked the first Hokage, then is the reason things like the Akatsuki happened etc so the blame can't go to Tobirama when in all honesty, he didn't do much
@lastzulu180
@lastzulu180 Жыл бұрын
@@mawandembatha6622 you're forgetting a few things the second hokage made them the police to make sure they did not have any actual power in the village he even said that himself 😔 😔 which was alienation
@Stumbo99
@Stumbo99 Жыл бұрын
We may have never seen it, but I think it's fair to say that whether it be through election or some other selection process naruto was elected Hokage by the people, all the people the world over. The shinobi, the civilians, the allied nations, even enemies to an extent, none could deny his power but mainly nome could deny his good nature and complete dedication to peace not just for the collective but for the individual well
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Remember when Hiruzen fought Orochimaru, Hashirama and Tobirama...one of the Anbu called Hashirama's Wood Style, "Super Earth Style!" 😂
@axelvonelern8081
@axelvonelern8081 Жыл бұрын
Madara: People disagree Peace, and yet on the other hand they create conflict as well. That duality is mankind for you. They want peace and to discard only conflict. Would in fact cause people to stop being people. And those two things stand together side by side.
@andrewhansen5570
@andrewhansen5570 9 ай бұрын
I think when, ultimately, Sasuke was telling the previous Hokage about Itachi and him finding out about the 4th Great Shinobi war, Hashirama acknowledged his mistake and realized what Madara meant. It's definitely reflected in his final conversation with Madara and his praise for Itachi.
@karkarrot5786
@karkarrot5786 Жыл бұрын
ultimately hashirama became a cog in the cycle of hatred. helped foster a new version it
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
If Hashirama saw Black Zetsu stab Madara... even he would call that lazy writing.
@1dayatAtimeking
@1dayatAtimeking Жыл бұрын
I needed this. Thank you
@alejandragarcis5228
@alejandragarcis5228 Жыл бұрын
Love your naruto videos sage 💯
@reynemanzano
@reynemanzano Жыл бұрын
Thorough and insightful content as always brother. Thanks for putting these out. Superb commentary and analysis
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
When Madara turned into the Six Paths, I thought he would pay Hashirama a visit.
@axeliance7298
@axeliance7298 Жыл бұрын
Finally got through a video without crying. Amazing vid as always!
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the Uchiha Clan left the Leaf when Madara did.
@miroki6308
@miroki6308 Жыл бұрын
This is probably my favorite video you ever done. Thank you of this
@buddylee5712
@buddylee5712 Жыл бұрын
I always enjoy your videos.
@TheLawOfficeofStevaughnJBushEs
@TheLawOfficeofStevaughnJBushEs 8 ай бұрын
This is so spot on. Thanks!!
@liminal-cc3go
@liminal-cc3go Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your videos. I rewatched the entire Naruto series this winter when I was in a depression and something about it was very cathartic. Your videos help me understand more of what that was. People can say what they want about Naruto, but no show will ever come close to portraying duality so well imo 🤷‍♀️.
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
This shows that the heros in naruto are perfect they also can flawed and hypocrites when Hashirama stabed madrara in the it feelt like he betrayed him madrara even see hurt when says you change to Hashirama
@BJs4MePlz
@BJs4MePlz Жыл бұрын
Beautiful summarization.
@YHWHsam
@YHWHsam Жыл бұрын
Ultimately hashirama's choice to listen to Tobirama instead of working with madara is what lead to his downfall. Hashirama calling itachi a greater shinobi than himself is laughable. It shows that Hashirama was corrupted by his position of power seeking for a "peaceful" village at any cost be that the death of his best friend or the genocide of a whole clan.
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
It shows that he was a hypocrite like the village hidden in the leaves the so called heros in naruto are really not different from the villains the kill and steal and say it is justified because it is for the sake of the village that way thinking is carzy and wrong it is end 33 proves it
@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011
@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011 Жыл бұрын
HASHIRAMA DIDN'T HAVE A DOWNFALL YOU UCHIA FANBOY.
@balondengcobo9022
@balondengcobo9022 Жыл бұрын
That was beautiful bro😭
@xtube088
@xtube088 Жыл бұрын
On the real, Hashirama could've just let Madara be in charge of the Anbu or frontrunner of the S rank Jounin forces. Something meaningful and of historic value in the hidden leaf
@saintlugia
@saintlugia Жыл бұрын
Was the anbu even formed at this time?
@xtube088
@xtube088 Жыл бұрын
@@saintlugia true, I'm pretty sure that was after tobimara
@xtube088
@xtube088 Жыл бұрын
"The Madara Village Library" "The Madara Academy for Future Shinobi" 😂
@zero1188
@zero1188 Жыл бұрын
Would tobirama allowed it. Thats the question
@xtube088
@xtube088 Жыл бұрын
@@zero1188 well.. I think we know the answer to that 😂😂😂🚫 I think the Anbu came during Tobimaras time so theres... could've at least just make the dude a squad leader for the top tier gennin/chunnin/jounin
@hikarihakai6634
@hikarihakai6634 Жыл бұрын
You always make my favourote characters seem so much better S/o bro
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Hashirama: Let's make Madara Hokage after me. Tobirama: Hell no!
@fatihk1194
@fatihk1194 Жыл бұрын
I believe Narutos villains have a point too. Zabuza raised as a weapon by Kirigakure. He run away from their terrible practices. Sasori traumatized by his parants deaths and trying to achieve immortality. Kakuzu was betrayed by his village elders and given an impossible mission he is trying to escape his insecurities by having more money and gaining peoples hearts😄 Kisame tired of lies and seeking the world there will be no lies anymore. Nagato was trying to achieve peace wat traumatized to much by the big nations he is trying to achieve peace by making them feel true pain. Madara is seeing people are stupid and greedy so he wants to control everyone by Infinite Tsukuyomi so no one can start wars. But Hidan is a radical cultist psychopath and Deidara is a terrorist they dont have such noble ideals😆 I think they are all great characters in the end. But I am disappointed by Kaguya arc I believe it ruined the show. I think Madara deserved to be the final villain.
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 9 ай бұрын
Many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about the shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny naruto is the child of destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic
@Crise95
@Crise95 13 күн бұрын
To me Kaguya was a good last character who no1 expected. It showed Madara thought he controlled all, but at the end, he control nothing and was the same pawn like he thought about Obito and even worse, because Obito knowed about Madara's stamp in his heart to use it. while madara believed in his acquired power and divine ability to create because he read it on some board. and thus he in no way suspected that black zetsu might not be his creation. Generally this anime showed, people often have the illusion of control others like obito with Pain, who has changed at the end and betrayed him, Obito to Madara, when Obito destroyed Madara stamp by gave for Kakashi's shidori hit his heart or even Itachi didnt predict after his death Sasuke goes in dark way and wont be hero. Madara illusion also wasnt a good idea. You can see it perfectly in Matrix. There you have perfectly show illusion world. Well if it is not enough, actually people try to make some AI much smarter than people and they do it so fast that someday it oversizes them so may be in future we experience this illusion of perfect life.
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Peace is like a dream. It cannot be attained.
@kimchirise
@kimchirise Жыл бұрын
"IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME, HASHIRAMA!"
@kaptainkrayzee9822
@kaptainkrayzee9822 Жыл бұрын
Never been this early!! Happy to be here!
@DovahTheWatcher
@DovahTheWatcher Жыл бұрын
And on this day the lord hath given always love seeing new sage uploads
@TheRealJayDM
@TheRealJayDM Жыл бұрын
Bro… Everytime I watch I always somehow learn a life lesson and even shed a tear. Thank you!
@user-zt2zn8vy6j
@user-zt2zn8vy6j 10 ай бұрын
Kishimoto is one of the best writers of all time. This Naruto anime is a masterpiece
@Wtfisulookin10
@Wtfisulookin10 7 ай бұрын
he really isn't tbh.
@diddymelone2265
@diddymelone2265 Жыл бұрын
They built a school where children would learn to be warriors ... they attempted to save children from dying in pointless wars by concentrating their education around warfare
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
The hidden leaf village are hypocrisy you could say thier evil I mean character hate like sasuke nagato that shows that the village hidden in the leaves are not good people
@kanishkamandloi389
@kanishkamandloi389 Ай бұрын
Sasuke wasn't hated by villagers. And naruto was hated by civilians and academy teachers mainly, Anbus, Guy, Kakashi, 3rd Hokage, Jiraiya, Kurenai, Ramen Guy and his daughter, Konoha Elders, Shikaku nara, Inoichi yamanaka, Choza Akimichi, Shibi Aburame, etc , never hated naruto
@jesse7912
@jesse7912 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@mohammadalfattal2902
@mohammadalfattal2902 Жыл бұрын
the problem is, the shinobi world is a dangerous place and filled with wars and hatred, trying to defend the village and that part of the will of fire is understandable, but the same ideal put the village over the individual and lead in of itself to countless wars, even other villages have similar ideals to the will of fire, and tbh that's why naruto is the goat, just how he said that he is not asura and sasuke is not indra he didn't give up on sasuke and knew how important single person can be, he succeeded in what hashirama and the other hokages failed, he had the will and determination to never give up on his friend and on the individual, and indeed to never give up on his ideals
@smrutishikharath3025
@smrutishikharath3025 2 ай бұрын
Another great character analysis by you... 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 That's my exact thoughts as well the philosophy of "will of fire" is inherently filled with lots of loopholes... And people like Hiruzen,Danzo and tobirama tiok advantage of those loopholes to shed blood in the name of peace...
@NewAgeJay64
@NewAgeJay64 Жыл бұрын
Underrated channel
@topcat59
@topcat59 Жыл бұрын
Great vid bro.😺
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Imagine if we got a spinoff called Hashirama: The First Generation.
@MiyamotoMusashi.
@MiyamotoMusashi. Жыл бұрын
The uchiha vs senju stuff could honestly be it's own show
@Wtfisulookin10
@Wtfisulookin10 7 ай бұрын
Yawn. 😴
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Hashirama was an Uchiha and Madara was a Senju.
@elizip5132
@elizip5132 Жыл бұрын
I love your videos
@romerojackson4405
@romerojackson4405 Жыл бұрын
I really agree. Plus I'm happy to see these videos. Plus the dualistic nature of the Shinobi system contradicts itself. Are you gonna do Ghostmaker?
@charliekowittmusic
@charliekowittmusic Жыл бұрын
This is so freaking good. I never thought of Madara as being the true Idealist, in contrast to Hashirama, the political realist. Hashirama found something he valued even more than Peace. Konoha, the will of Fire. Unfortunately this proved to be a weakness. He was easily manipulated by Tobirama’s shallow rhetoric about the Uchiha. Thanks for the video, this is just fantastic!!
@alfonsuskristo1624
@alfonsuskristo1624 Жыл бұрын
I'm not here for hostile debate, just a normal one. I think you shouldn't write off Tobirama's view of the Uchiha Clan as shallow. He knew more about the Uchiha than Sasuke when he mentioned that the Uchiha is the clan who loves the most even though Sasuke believed the Uchihas source of power is hatred. Tobirama has a bias against the Uchiha Clan because throughout his life, he'd been fighting them non stop. The Uchihas killed his brothers and cousins. Tobirama like any human holds a grudge against anyone that threatens his loved ones.
@ebeabrha155
@ebeabrha155 Жыл бұрын
@@alfonsuskristo1624 But he smart enough to know that the Senju are CO-FOUNDED the village with Uchia so making them do only grunt work is not right
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
Tobirama was a racist the one uchiha he trusted were people put the village above thier clan basically his lapdogs
@alfonsuskristo1624
@alfonsuskristo1624 Жыл бұрын
@@ebeabrha155 Being a police is not just a grunt work. It's a noble thing to protect normal citizens from what are potentially NINJA CRIMINAL. It's not even mentioned anywhere that the Senju Clan members lived happily ever after.
@alfonsuskristo1624
@alfonsuskristo1624 Жыл бұрын
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 There's a difference between being a lapdog and a patriot. You think being loyal to your country means degrading yourself into a slave? And describing Tobirama's action as r@c1st is down right condescending. His whole life was kill or getting killed by the Uchiha, it's understandable that he only trust some of them. It's a miracle even. Would you consider befriending the family of your family's murderer?
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Hashirama: I love the Uchiha! 😀 Tobirama: I hate the Uchiha. 😠
@littenfire3563
@littenfire3563 Жыл бұрын
It's sad. I feel like if Hashirama had stood up to Tobirama and stay by Madara's side, that maybe the Uchiha massacre down the line could've been prevented.
@kanishkamandloi389
@kanishkamandloi389 Ай бұрын
But tobirama didn't hated uchihas who carry will of fire, like Kagami Uchiha.
@joaov.candido8399
@joaov.candido8399 Ай бұрын
​@@kanishkamandloi389Yeah, of course he would like lapdogs.
@kanishkamandloi389
@kanishkamandloi389 Ай бұрын
@@joaov.candido8399 why would he not love an uchiha who follows will of fire, 90% of problems of hidden leaf were directly and indirectly related to evilness of uchihas. But it's true not every uchiha was evil Kagami, Itachi , Izumi , many uchiha women, etc were innocent and many uchihas does not have even sharingan.
@anti6643
@anti6643 Жыл бұрын
It’s like what happens as we age. We as youngsters want to shape the world for the better and will do almost anything but as adults we become stale and become obsessed with what we want rather than what we have. It creates attachments and makes us embrace a fake ego. Just like Hashirama who went from a peace loving child to a comfort obsessed adult.
@stelliocantos4639
@stelliocantos4639 Жыл бұрын
Your videos... I'll never regret going back an relistening to understand more completely what your'e trying to tell me. I can't help but try to listen harder. I hope you get what I mean by this.
@haroldmoonwalkerharold3586
@haroldmoonwalkerharold3586 Жыл бұрын
Sage, next time, dedicate a video analysis to the beautiful movie, Wolf Children. I have a feeling you’ll love it and you’ll also have plenty of insights to share. 😁
@user-tu6fb9rs3v
@user-tu6fb9rs3v 10 ай бұрын
Once brothers, now bitter enemies.
@mostreal907
@mostreal907 Жыл бұрын
This is the problem that all leaders of countries do face. Or in general people who enter politics. While not to this extreme. Dreams vs reality can be a jarring difference.
@ryanroswellcacho
@ryanroswellcacho Жыл бұрын
The Contradiction of Madara's and Hashirama's world peace reminded me the worlds of Quuen Marika in Elden Ring. 😢😢😢😢😢
@Ootazfromda03
@Ootazfromda03 Жыл бұрын
You should do Tobirama next, his way of philosophical teachings n all dat.
@Dragiare
@Dragiare Жыл бұрын
Only Sage can make me feel for Hashirama
@MizukiDraws123
@MizukiDraws123 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@jackwitt7430
@jackwitt7430 Жыл бұрын
My favorite Madara/Hashirama moment is when Madara throws Hashirama's words back into his face: "No matter what happens I will protect our... no *my* village. I still believe that protecting the village is the best way to protect people, shinobi and children...! Anyone who tries to harm it, whether they are my friends, siblings or even my very own children... I won't forgive them." These lines showed Madara that even Hashirama could be corrupted and only affirmed Madara's viewpoint that the current world needed to go. Another favorite Madara quote, this time to Tobirama: "Hashirama's country was a shameful contradiction… Man seeks peace, yet at the same time yearning for war… Those are the two realms belonging solely to man. Thinking of peace whilst spilling blood is something only humans can do. They're two sides of the same coin. To protect something… another must be sacrificed. That is, other than that of, say a dream world." Madara is truly one of the best villains in all of anime.
@wwe12153
@wwe12153 Жыл бұрын
madara is one of the worst villains in all anime , just saying thing doesn't make you a good character , a good character does things , a good character must make sense madara said that hashirama is yearning for war , but what the fans saw is just a pacifist who wants to do anything to end conflict , so what madara said is empty and again , saying things doesn't make a good villain , madara said a lot of things, hundreds of quotes i guess , but his character is very shallow , he is a one note villain whose development doesn't make sense at all like the thing about yearning for war but wanting peace , he is the one who is doing this shamelessly , which is absurd , the concept of hypocrisy is to hide an insecurity or to lie to other people or even yourself , but madara doing the thing and its opposite at the same time feels nonsensical to the point of boredom , i think he is the second worst character in naruto , "from the ones who got focus indeed"
@Sakura_uchiha_elite
@Sakura_uchiha_elite Жыл бұрын
@@wwe12153 anyway, madara best character. Cry harder.
@wwe12153
@wwe12153 Жыл бұрын
@@Sakura_uchiha_elite who says ? i think madara is treated like a joke in the fandom , why would i cry ? 😅
@Sakura_uchiha_elite
@Sakura_uchiha_elite Жыл бұрын
@@wwe12153 He isn’t, but keep thinking that kid.
@wwe12153
@wwe12153 Жыл бұрын
@@Sakura_uchiha_elite lol , why are you taking it so seriously, it is anime after all Since it is anime, you should support your claim , you act like football fans
@kazuhasgloves
@kazuhasgloves Жыл бұрын
Oh this is gonna be good.
@noahmoore334
@noahmoore334 Жыл бұрын
The reality that some people have a hard time with is the possibility that violence can sometimes equal peace. Destroying an evil can save the whole. Like a doctor who has to amputate a leg otherwise the whole body will die. To the unknowing person that doctor is violet and evil but to the person and those that know whats going on he is a life saver. We should strive our utmost to prevent violence but be prepared to deal it out when the time comes because there will always be people who words dont work. The just want what the want and if they arent stopped they will persue their destructive goal till no end.
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Every shinobi who wants peace has to make a rough and draft decision.
@sambhavnath6668
@sambhavnath6668 Жыл бұрын
Hashirama and Madara means friendship 🫂🤝
@JohnDoe-vc5qb
@JohnDoe-vc5qb Жыл бұрын
Naruto had some great characters when it comes to ethics and morality
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
That shows that the will of fire is not a good thing
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Orochimaru stated that Hashirama could break from Orochimaru's control. This was a retcon in Shippuden.
@studyguy9364
@studyguy9364 Жыл бұрын
Nah it was not a retcon. It's stated that the Edo tensei jutsu used by Kabuto in Shippuden was a much more refined version of Orochimaru's which placed them much closer to their actual powerlevels as compared to the older version. That's why Orochimaru thinks that.
@KingAndy22
@KingAndy22 Жыл бұрын
Hashirama is my favorite hokage. It’s something about lord 1st that I really like.
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Hashirama took Madara's eyes.
@dytgyfgyffuh243
@dytgyfgyffuh243 Жыл бұрын
When hashirama says itachi is great shnobi for killing his clan parents and children that shows he is a hypocrite hashirama was a deeply naive optimistic optimistic and flawed he became like his father that he hated madrara says you change hashirama he felt really hurt that his friend stabed him in the back and betrayed him
@DragonoidBerserker1
@DragonoidBerserker1 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see you do videos on ASOIAF
@JBOBROSKII
@JBOBROSKII 8 ай бұрын
Honestly, with all that power, hashirama was still a weak fool. He should have trusted his friend Madara to run the village and trust him to protect it and make it thrive. Even will all that power, his mind was still weak. He should have made his own decisions based on his experiences, not his brother tobi. Tobi harbored so much hate and anti sematism towards the Uchiha. He was a walking hypocrite to "the clan of love." Hashira should have seen that and realized that as soon as Tobi became the hokage, the Uchiha would be discriminated against, and eventually, it would turn into an all-out civil war. If he had trusted Madara, who knows where the leaf and Shinobi world would be now.
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