Meldrum is the man!! Thanks for having him on!!

It is also interesting to note that the latitude of Florida is similar to the latitude of Israel. This would further support that the seeds they planted flourished as they described. :)

The dragon blood tree were the trees available to Nephi. Thats enough reason for me for the lord to give nephi revelation on how to build a boat with that type of wood that is not after the manner of men. You have to ask what resources were available to Nephi. It makes absolute sense that the boat went west and then carried by winds and current to the Americas

Heartland heartland heartland!

This experiment surely explains Mulek coming... Heleman 8 because Mulek probably had a ship "built after the maner of men."

Rod and Brille did not even make the Mulekite argument.

I can’t imagine what it was like to be Cardon’s primary or Sunday school teacher.

Another great show ! Love the people you have on and the inspiring truths/ideas you are sharing. No one else is making this important stuff available. It's great to learn all of this to able to more vigorously defend the Book of Mormon through these compelling evidences and have a good laugh at the same time 😂...... good luck with that scripture central job interview 😉😉

Oh no, not the Moroni argument LOL. Moron is a JAREDITE name from which it derives, not Lehite. And the Sidon River was located in the MULEKITE/PEOPLE of Zarahemla area, not the land of Nephi, so yes Sidon looks to be from a Phoenician source, but is indicative of an Atlantic crossing of the Mulek group, not the Lehite group. Which also explains the couple of Greek derived names in the BOM.

Wait!!! Gordon, are you telling me that Nephi had a KZfaq to see how to build a boat? Wow! that’s awesome. 😂🤠🇫🇮

The Phoenician expedition didn't land in North America. It landed in the Dominican Republic. You know, really close to Mesoamerica 😂

Comoros was not known as Comoros until much later than BoM times. Best estimates is that the islands may have been inhabited as early as the 5th or 6th century A.D., or a little earlier. 8th century sailors referred to the Comoros as the Perfume Islands. Comoros dervies from the Arabic word kamar, meaning the "moon."

I believe that Cumorah was word associated with the priesthood. A priest after the order of Aaron is called a Cohen. If someone has the last name Cohen they are probably a defendant of Aaron or a Levite. A priest, like a Catholic Priest, is a כמר, Cumer, Cummerim. In the plural.

The Mesoamerican model still makes more sense with the walking distance alone.

Is it possible that Nephi was able to purchase the wood for ship building vs. cutting green wood, curing it, bending it, then building away? Lehi had wealth, yes Laban took the loot in Jerusalem, but Lehi certainly would have had travel money for the trip.

Rodney is amazing the things he’s been showing us! Wow

Cardon, when you mentioned the slave trade route it was like a light went off in my brain. Yes!! Satan repeats what God does to mock the Father and twisting and perverting His miracles.

LOL - His wind current theory and the actual map of the ocean currents prove the MesoAmerican model - not landing on the West coast but on the East coast. The currents would take the ship directly into the Caribbean - and to a land (Columbia) where a large river (actually, several) flows North to the Sea, which is near a narrow neck, which separates the sea East from the sea West, that leads to the land North.

I see the arrow coming off of West Africa heading straight to...Mesoamerica and the Yucatan peninsula.

As far as the tacking sail, it was known in the Mediterranean by 100 BC, and was thought to be introduced from Arabia and India where it was used earlier than that. Possibly one reason that they went all the way to the other side of Arabia to learn shipbuilding to launch the ship instead of staying in the Mediterranean? The BOM only indicates that they were "driven forth before the wind" until the point when Laman and Lemuel went postal and there "arose a great storm", definitely consistent with the cyclones in the Indian Ocean, with a season from May to November again indicating a spring departure. After that the BOM doesn't mention that they were driven before the wind, but that they "sailed" all the way to the promise land. Since they replaced the term of being driven before the wind, with the term "sailing," it definitely sounds like they had the ability to tack when the wind was not at their backs.

An issue I have with the Heartland model is 1 Nephi 18:25. ....and we did find all manner of ore, both of gold, and of silver, and of copper. Florida doesn't have any of these metals.

Also, there's the great storm that arose and drove them back for days, and nearly sunk the ship. Sounds like the "Roaring Forties" to me.

Two things, this idea cuts God out of their journey. Why did they need the Director, and how was their journey hindered during their rebellious times, if they naturally would have been taken straight there without doing anything? And if we're talking names that are found in The Book Of Mormon, you don't get closer than Lamanai in Belize, right where the Mesoamerican model puts the Lamanites.😱 And right around where Columbus set foot on the mainland, who was prophesied to visit the seed of Nephi's brethren in the promised land.🙀

Hey it’s Meldrum, the ego equated being gay to beastislity. Stay classy Ward Radio.

Who is the Brother with Bro. Meldrum? He has been on a few times but I dont recall his name.... but I like him. You should have him on more.

First - Boom!

Is Meldrums brother the Bigfoot guy?

1 NE 17:17

Actually, Nephi doesn't say that the ship was not after the manner of other ships at the time. But the method of building the ship was not after the manner learned by men. Likely they would not have had the facicilities, tools or man power to build the ships using the same methods, the Lord needed to show them other ways to "work the timbers" etc... 1 Nephi 17:1-2

How do we know they didn’t sail along the coastal regions? How did they last for food for that long across the waters if they never stopped.

Cardon, c'mon, North America is more than just CANUSAMEX

Why can't God guide or push a single ship? Why would he have to change the currents of the entire earth?

Firstvis the worst, second is the one with the hair chest, and thord is the best! (In terms of comments)

My issue with the Heartland model is simple. The Heartland in the winter is absolutely full of SNOW. I've lived in Michigan, and there is no way you can have a civilization there without mentioning SNOW. There is no mention of SNOW in the Book of Mormon. Sorry.

You’all are dope, but the intro music is cringe…

I love listening to these evidences! It was fun following the Cumorah Truthers *before* finding out about the first Phoenician's journey. It was so amazing to have this evidence confirm their theories!

Why couldn't they land on the east Coast of Guatemala/Mexico/wherever? Why does landing on the east Coast prove the heartland and disprove the mesoamerica model? Sure, the currents lead to the east Coast of the USA, but the same currents lead to the east Coast of mesoamerica! Just get off the current earlier and you're there. I honestly don't get the argument.

lol, I find it funny how american are so into their "Murica!" stuff... that they try to steal everything they can... that "currents" map, has easy-to-follow lines from middle east to South america's west coast...

This post will teach you more about the Book of Mormon than most of anything else you've ever read, BUT YOU HAVE TO READ IT!!! The sailor Herodotus was talking about is LEHI HIMSELF. In other words The Book of Mormon and Herodotus are telling the SAME story. Herodotus describes a sailor that sailed in 600 BC on behalf of Pharaoh Necho II and sailed AROUND Africa. It was a circumnavigation that ended where it started. Herodotus describes the geography of Africa as it was reported by the sailor. This geography is repeated in the Book of Mormon because they are the SAME. You can learn this by reading "Herodotus: The Histories Book 4, Chapter 40-42" and compare it to Alma 22:32 (in addition to some Bible verses listed below). Evidence: #1: Herodotus claims Pharaoh Necho II (of Egypt) sent the sailor and the BOM claims Lehi speaks Egyptian (1 Nephi 1:2). #2: The Bible claims Necho II is the Pharaoh that killed Josiah connecting him to Lehi's era of 600 BC (2 Chronicles 35:22) #3: 2 Chronicles 35:22 implies Necho is righteous because he speaks for God. Josiah was killed for not listening. #4: The stories take place in the same region. The sailor began in the Red Sea and Lehi arrives at the Red Sea after leaving Jerusalem. #5: Herodotus makes the connection of "Desolation" with Asia. This is repeated in Alma 22:32. The "Desolation" in Alma 22:32 is Asia. #6: Herodotus claims Egypt is "Narrow". This is a description of the Isthmus of Suez. This is repeated in Alma 22:32 as a "small neck of land". The small neck of land in the BOM is always the Isthmus of Suez. #7: You can now see how the "line Bountiful and Desolation" in Alma 22:32 is the Isthmus of Suez that separates Africa from Asia. "Bountiful" in the BOM can always be translated as "Africa". (Except the City of Bountiful which is a city not a continent. The city of Bountiful is in the Nile Delta in Egypt). #8: Herodotus claims there are 2 seas on either side of the Isthmus of Suez. This is repeated in Alma 22:32 as the "east to the west sea." #9: Herodotus describes the distance across the Isthmus of Suez as 125 miles. Alma 22:32 repeats the distance in "days" traveled. #10: Herodotus makes the claim that the sailor discovered that Africa is "bounded by the sea". This is why Alma 22:32 describes the Land South as being "surrounded by water". #11 Both manuscripts claim the "Land South" (Africa) is surrounded by water except the isthmus that connects it to the Land North. This is the Isthmus of Suez. You can now see that Lehi circumnavigated Africa in 600 BC. Lehi explored, discovered and mapped Africa and the geography is reported in two manuscripts. Herodotus and the Book of Mormon. The Geography in "Herodotus: The Histories Book 4, Chapter 40-42" and Alma 22:32 is the same geography. BOTH DESCRIBE AFRICA. Lehi did not sail to America. The Book of Mormon takes place in Africa. Jews have been migrating to Africa for thousands of years. They call themselves Ethiopian Jews or Beta Israel. Nothing comparable to this has ever been found in America. Lehi migrated to Egypt where he had the Tree of Life Vision. The Vision shows him Jews being destroyed in Egypt. This is exactly what Jeremiah says in Jeremiah 44. The Tree of Life Vision guides Lehi South, up the Nile to the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden. According to Ethiopian Jews, this is in Ethiopia. They believe Genesis 2:13. This gets him out of Egypt and integrates him with other Ethiopian Jews. The Nephites are destroyed after they migrate back North to Egypt. This is detailed in Helaman 3. The migration in Helaman 3 is North to Egypt. The treeless land where they build with cement and ship timber is Egypt. Please compare what Helaman 3:6 says about "desolation" with what Jeremiah 44 says about Egypt becoming a "desolation". The Nephites knew Egypt was a desolation so they wrote Helaman 3:6 to explain why it was OK to migrate back to Egypt. They are then eventually destroyed in Egypt. The Tree of Life Vision is the key to Lehi's migration out of Egypt and up the Nile to Ethiopia. Even the Nile River is in the dream and the directions from Egypt to Ethiopia is simply up the Nile to the 'head" of the Nile. The 'head" of the river is mentioned in the Tree of Life Vision. This is Ethiopia, the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:13). Ethiopia is the source of the Nile according to Ethiopians. They believe the Blue Nile is the true Nile, not the White Nile. In 1 Nephi 12 the angel describes the destruction of the Nephites. The angel claims this will happen on the exact same river as the one Lehi saw in the Tree of Life Vision (1 Nephi 12:16). This is consistent with the Nephites being destroyed on the Nile River, In Egypt, according to Jeremiah 44, after they migrate back North from Ethiopia to Egypt. Start looking at internal maps of Book of Mormon Lands. You will start to see how the maps are describing Africa. You 'll start to see how the river in the Land South is the Nile and the Narrow Neck of Land is the Isthmus of Suez. Look for "Desolation" and see if it fits the Desolation in Jeremiah 44. I can go on and on. The Book of Ether is the Ethiopian Genesis. It describes a migration North to Israel. It describes how Ethiopians sailed down the Nile to Egypt then on the open water to Israel. The brought the Milk and Honey to settle the Biblical Land of Milk and Honey. Omer in Ether 9:3 is "stoned, murdered and cast out" of Jerusalem. Just like Lehi. His journey is the same, into Africa and then up the Nile to Ethiopia. Omer is the "Prophet of Old" Nephi spoke of in 1 Nephi 1:20. Compare to Ether 8:25-26. They both arrive at the "fountain of righteousness".

This information here is SO badly researched. Oman (likely Bountiful location) had (and still has) year round production of ancient fruit. Jan-Apr citrus, apples in Jan; Apr pomegranates and apples, May berries, apricots, dates; June Melons, berries, peaches, apricots, dates; July melons, peaches, apricots, dates; August melons, berries, apricots, apples, grapes, dates; September apples, pomegranates, grapes, melons, dates; October grapes, berries, pomegranates, kaki; November berries, pomegranates, citrus; December pears, apples, pomegranates, citrus. If one is hoping to prevent scurvy using citrus, than a spring departure is a better option, and the winds off that coast of Arabia actually blow in the other direction than what is being asserted here. As far as honey, in spring and early summer in Oman, most beekeepers hive their colonies in the Sarawat Mountains where several important bee plants, such as Acacia spp., Conyza spp., Lavandula spp., and Zilla spinosa, flower. In autumn and winter, the beekeepers move to the Tihama coastal region with the blooming of Ziziphus spina-christi, Acacia assak, Rhanterium eppaposum and Blepharis spp. So honey production is basically year round in Oman, and again, since the Lehite group was more likely limited to the coast, the honey would have been harvested in the SPRING, not the autumn, again 100 percent contradicting Meldrum's argument. He is actually MAKING THE ARGUMENT FOR A PACIFIC CROSSING!

Cardon - Points out Rod's flawed theory of using Phoenician boats as proof of anything; as the scriptures clearly say the ship design was not after the manner of men, but from the Lord; and thus not the contemporary design of the Phoenicians. As we read all about the ship and voyage in 1Nephi 17 & 18. They did have sailing capability and it was a wonderful vessel. Rod - "But, we do know he didn't build a diesel powered vessel...or some kind of an aircraft carrier". ?? LOL ROTFL. This is misdirection at its finest; used to get the audiences mind off his flawed premise. The Book of Mormon tells us Nephi's ship was not designed after the manner of men; and could go wherever the Lord led them. Also, Nephi had a guide (Liahona) to navigate the currents and winds to the promised land, in any direction the Lord needed to take them. And yes Rod, God does do things which man considers miraculous. Does Moses and the Red Sea ring a bell, oh yeah, Nephi uses this same analogy with his nay-saying brothers. The point is it doesn't matter if a modern day mariner can make the voyage to the new world or not, via one route or another. The modern day mariner doesn't have the Lords ship design, nor the Liahona to navigate a conducive path for the live conditions of the weather and currents. The whole comparison is flawed as Cardon point out. When the scriptures are so plainly clear in pulling the rug out from under Rod's theories, Rod smoothly and without conscience, invokes misdirection and erroneous conjectures to gaslight. Rod suggests you should ignore what the scripture says and just go with what Rod or his fellow book sellers promote. Rod and his heartland buddies do this with just about everything they push. Ignore, misdirect, conjecture, then mislead with gaslighting speculation; that's what Rod does best. Ignoring all of Rod's misdirection and gaslighting; we notice on the Ocean current maps, that regardless of which ocean current the Lord took them on, rather coming across the Pacific on the Equatorial Counter Current, or down around Africa to then catch the Atlantic South Equatorial Current; both currents lead to the region where the two continents meet, namely the north tip of South America and the South tip of North America. Remember the Mulikites, who may have actually used a ship build after the manner of men, a "Phoenician type boat" if you will, landed north of the Nephite land of first inheritance, a place they named, land of Zarahemla (let that sink-in). There's also good chance they came the same route Columbus did. Even Columbus, who sailed from the north down the west coast of Africa, then caught the Atlantic North Equatorial Current and ended up discovering what today is called Central America (including Honduras, Costa Rica, and Panama) as well as the Caribbean islands.( again, let that sink in, Columbus never set foot in the choice land of the United States of America. But he did discover and set foot in, Central America. Perhaps, Columbus is not the explorer mentioned in the BOM, or perhaps, the entire continent is the choice land, as the BOM narrative describes; and Columbus was the man mentioned in the BOM. But I digress. Next, we do not exactly know what fruits were available in Bountiful, nor the different harvest months of those fruits. But a huge and likely candidate would be the historical fruit in the region of Arabia/Oman of Dates from palm trees, which ripen and are harvested from May to July; further, unlike other fruits, Dates have a very long shelf life and can be store for about two years without spoiling. Dates would have been a perfect survival storage food for a long Ocean voyage. Further, landing anywhere around the West coast of Columbia, Ecuador, or somewhere in Central America, as did the Mulekites, accommodates a nearly year round planting. The area has crop plantings nearly year round from February, with additional crop plantings happening the rest of the year into October, plantings in October! Lehi's family, planting their seeds when arriving, not yet knowing which food supplies were available in the new land, would be a natural thing for them to do to get food growing. But they also quickly discovered there was plenty of animals in the land for food. 1Nephi 18 "And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow and the ox, and the ass and the horse, and the goat and the wild goat, and all manner of wild animals, which were for the use of men."

Again the ship was not built after the manner of men. Which could mean men of any age, but at least most likely not of the time they lived. And there’s no way anyone can tell me that the currents of the Ocean in 600 BC are exactly the same as the currents today. And if the journey was guided specifically by the currents, then there would have been no need for sails. Now the Jaredites were blown in this way but we don’t know exactly which direction they were blown. And don’t say we are not rational for saying we don’t agree with you. Remember it is not “rational” according to atheistic argumentary beliefs to believe in miracles like the Red Sea parting. God has all power and this crossing was guided my a magic ball in a ship made by amateurs who had never built one. Don’t lean on currents as proof that the journey took the path modern atheist scientists say a ship would have to go. God was flexing his power against all conventional wisdom in this tale.

this cardon dude hogs the mic something chronic…Goofball❗️