The Physical Meaning of the Cross Product and Dot Product

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Inductica

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Күн бұрын

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00:00 Introduction
00:30 Work and the Dot Product
3:01 Proof of the Dot Product Formula
4:52 Torque and the Cross Product
7:35 Tutoring Advertisement
7:54 The Right Hand Rule
9:36 The Physical Meaning of the Torque Vector
11:09 Physical Proof of the Cross-Product Formula
15:36 Summary
16:12 Outro

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@ryanjbuchanan
@ryanjbuchanan 15 күн бұрын
The best explanation of a dot product that I've heard is that it's basically like a Mario Kart turbo boost
@Inductica
@Inductica 14 күн бұрын
Let's a-go!
@dialectphilosophy
@dialectphilosophy Ай бұрын
Teaching the cross product through torque is a pretty smart way to go about it! Torque is (for the most part) fairly intuitive -- you have to push orthogonally to some lever or bar to rotate it about a pivot point, so that explains why you have y components multiplied by x components and vice-versa. The "minus" seems to come from the fact a rotation can be split into an "up and over" (counter-clockwise) or an "over and down" (clockwise) motion, which requires the moving components be oppositely signed. Still always some frustrating sense of abstraction that seems to linger when we use vectors, but that's hard to avoid. Thanks for another great video!
@Inductica
@Inductica Ай бұрын
I really appreciate it! A comment I would make is that my goal in my explanation videos is not to reduce abstraction nor to make things intuitive. Abstractions are not bad or hard to understand if all the observations and reasoning steps required to see that they are true are explained. Similarly, intuitions are not something we should try to appeal to, because they aren't necessarily correct. I think "making things intuitive," or, "less abstract," are approximations for what we really need in an explanation: a complete connection to observational evidence.
@allenanderson5529
@allenanderson5529 7 күн бұрын
The cross product is the determinant of a 3x3 matrix, where row 1 is x-hat, y-hat, z-hat. Row 2 is Ax, Ay, Az. Row 3 is Bx, By, Bz.
@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn
@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn Ай бұрын
The dot product is also used in matrix multiplication. Vector dot products is equal to multiplying a row matrix by a column matrix. For example, ∙ = [[1, 2]] * [[5], [7]] = 5+14=19. Dot products are derived from projections, where proj(a, b) = [(a ∙ b)/(b ∙ b)]*|b|. Cross products, however, comes from the cross-operation sequence. The cross operation involves taking a vector or a group of vectors and outputting a vector that is orthogonal to all vectors being used. For example, a vector in 2D can be crossed to find its perpendicular vector, which proves the perpendicular slope formula, and vectors in 3D can have cross products with 2 vectors, vectors in 4D with 3 vectors, and so on. Area can be interpreted by a cross product of 2 length vectors, as A = bh, with b being a length vector and h being the perpendicular component of the second length vector. Volume can be interpreted by using 3 vectors and using the 4D cross product, as V = Bh, where B is the area of the base, a cross product itself, and h being a perpendicular component of the third vector, so V = Bh = (r ⨉ r)h r ⨉ r ⨉ r (as h = r⊥), but in our 3D world, volume can also mean the DOT product of length and area, due to the box product. Finally, comes the interpretation of cross products in Flatland. We all know that in Flatland, angles exist, so rotations exist. 2D shapes and planar laminae have rotational inertia, so angular momentum and torque exists in Flatland, but since Flatlanders cannot really see the objects rotating due to a 1D vision, they usually don't think about torque, as the torque will be bending into the 3rd dimension. We 3D beings can see objects rotate about an axis, but we cannot interpret solid angular motion. This is because solid angular momentum is changed by 3-torque, which is equal to r ⨉ A ⨉ F, which goes into the 4th dimension. However, 4D beings can comprehend solid angular velocity and objects rotating about a plane rather than an axis. Finally, comes the 2nd moment of area, which is equal to A ⨉ A, or (r ⨉ r) ⨉ (r ⨉ r). This requires 6 dimensions, as the first cross product gives 3 dimensions, and the second gives 3 more dimensions.
@EnriqueAnt.Raudales
@EnriqueAnt.Raudales 13 күн бұрын
thank you. The lack of linear algebra in this video was annoying, and i still do t unferstand the connection between the angles shown in the generalized form and the way the operacions are done between column vectors or taking the discriminant of a group of vectors put together
@hrishikeshaggrawal
@hrishikeshaggrawal 16 күн бұрын
cross product makes sense intuitively, but when I ask someone for the n'th time what the cross product is and they start explaining the formula i really do go to sleep. 10/10 direction
@Inductica
@Inductica 16 күн бұрын
You are exactly the kind of person I was trying to reach with this video. Thanks!
@BuckPowers
@BuckPowers 28 күн бұрын
Loving the humor bits. Just the right amount. And nice editing for those bits, as well. Humor can easily die in a bad edit. But you nailed it. This content also dovetails well with the angular momentum lecture. Including some portion of this as a sidebar might even make that lecture more effective.
@Inductica
@Inductica 28 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!
@bpark10001
@bpark10001 8 күн бұрын
What you (& everyone else explaining this) are missing is WHERE the name "cross product" comes from. I ran into this when helping guy write CAD circuit board layout program. There is requirement to calculate the distance between a point (X,Y) & a line segment (X1,Y1), (X2, Y2). The calculation boils down to translating everything until one end of the line is at (0,0), then taking cross product of vectors (0,0) (X2',Y2') & (0,0) (X',Y'). These form angle which when extended form a parallelogram. The distance is the height of the parallelogram, which is the area divided by the base (the base is SQRT of dot product of line vector with itself). The area is the cross product of the 2 vectors (Result is scalar because we are working in the plane.) (So you can also describe the cross product as the area of a parallelogram formed by the 2 vectors in plane containing the 2 vectors.) When I worked out this formula, the terms have X1Y2 & X2Y1 in them (as your formula also shows). THE PRODUCT TERMS ARE CROSSED! This is my theory where the name came from. What do you think?
@scienceclick9092
@scienceclick9092 13 күн бұрын
Nowadays, learning mathematical physics depends a lot on books. In some books the way a law/formula is derived that it seems really tough to understand. When I first learned about vectors from book I was fully confused. But when I changed book it was not so difficult for me to understand. The proof of theories are written in such a way that you dont have to be a very high IQ person to understand it on that book. While in the first book it was really really tough to understand. So books are my first priority to learn mathematics for physics
@anirbanmukhopadhyay6902
@anirbanmukhopadhyay6902 7 күн бұрын
A beautiful explanation of the dot product is here. Thank you.
@jeanlucas2834
@jeanlucas2834 15 күн бұрын
I've never seen it like this before, even in books. Thank you! Make more videos like this.
@Inductica
@Inductica 15 күн бұрын
Thanks! My inductive videos, which will begin in two weeks, will explain every concept of math and physics in this kind of way!
@xninja2369
@xninja2369 11 күн бұрын
Tell me you haven't read any books without telling me you haven't read any books 😂
@Inductica
@Inductica 11 күн бұрын
@@xninja2369 i’d be interested to know which textbook actually explains the cross product in the way I do. Not trying to nail you, just actually curious. I checked pretty thoroughly to make sure there wasn’t another video that explained it this way before making this.
@jeanlucas2834
@jeanlucas2834 11 күн бұрын
@@xninja2369 Haha good one 😂. I mean, learning physics by operational definition is easy but it's not the physics you want, is it? In my opinion we constantly need to innovated and find new connections between things we already know. A lot of mathematical tools that were created without any practical applications have found a place in physics because someone tried to explain something differently and it worked, that is awesome. Oh boy, you just don't know me. But read isn't enough. We read novels but books like these we have to study, practice and apply or you're wasting your time. If you are here I believe you think books sometimes isn't enough, because by the end of the day the books were made by professors like him.
@gary.richardson
@gary.richardson 3 күн бұрын
In track and field, runners time based on distance also accounts for headwinds and tailwinds. I imagine these dot products come into play here.
@Inductica
@Inductica 3 күн бұрын
Yes, I think it would.
@poet.in.flight
@poet.in.flight Ай бұрын
Such a fun video 🎉
@sinfinite7516
@sinfinite7516 12 күн бұрын
Great video!!!!
@munchingdragon6
@munchingdragon6 21 күн бұрын
this was fun to watch!
@Inductica
@Inductica 21 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@antomarioni
@antomarioni Ай бұрын
muy buen video, muchisimas gracias
@dinsefateshome8412
@dinsefateshome8412 Ай бұрын
welcome back boss
@Inductica
@Inductica 17 күн бұрын
Thanks chief!
@heronimousbrapson863
@heronimousbrapson863 9 күн бұрын
Mathematics: how to make simple concepts horrifically complicated.
@kottybeats
@kottybeats 26 күн бұрын
Good explanation, well done
@Inductica
@Inductica 25 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!
@bjornfeuerbacher5514
@bjornfeuerbacher5514 15 күн бұрын
The explanation starting at 4:00 is a bit similar to the one I'm using when I'm teaching this, but simpler - I'll try if I can incorporate this into my own teaching, thanks! :) (My own way of doing it goes like this: first I argue, using the angle formula, that for two parallel vectors, the dot product just gives the product of their magnitudes, and for two orthogonal vectors, the dot product is zero. Then I decompose the vectors A and B into their components along the axes, similar to what you are doing, and then simply multiply out the two sums and use the facts I showed before in order to calculate the dot products of the coordinate vectors with each other.) However, a crucial step is missing here: For that argument to work, you first have to show (or at least give an argument in words) why the dot product is distributive, i. e. why the dot product of a sum of vectors with another vector is the same as the sum of all the dot products of the partial vectors with the other vector. I tried to gave an argument for that in my own lectures, but unfortunately, it's in German. Would you like to have a link to that argument anyway?
@Inductica
@Inductica 15 күн бұрын
That's a good point. I did think about that while writing the script and decided I didn't need to explain that, but revisiting this, I think I do. Yeah, let's see that video!
@bjornfeuerbacher5514
@bjornfeuerbacher5514 15 күн бұрын
@@Inductica I don't have a video, only a text document. I try to provide the link, but probably KZfaq will delete it. :/ www.feuerbachers-matheseite.de/Eigenschaften_des_Skalarprodukts.pdf
@sinfinite7516
@sinfinite7516 12 күн бұрын
Hmm I’m looking at the rest of your channel and I wish you did more content like this.
@Inductica
@Inductica 12 күн бұрын
@@sinfinite7516 noted!
@zyansheep
@zyansheep 13 күн бұрын
Dot Product + Cross Product = Geometric Product
@kisho2679
@kisho2679 15 күн бұрын
When/where were first the cross/dot products "invented"?
@Inductica
@Inductica 15 күн бұрын
Good question, I actually don't know!
@andrewseary
@andrewseary 15 күн бұрын
@@Inductica Quaternions. See "A History of Vector Analysis", Crowe
@pixelapse9613
@pixelapse9613 6 күн бұрын
5:05 How my math teacher teaches in class using power point
@hansfrancsco71
@hansfrancsco71 Ай бұрын
Is there like a book that would help learn k-12 mathematics conceptually instead of rote memorization from government schooling?
@ryantellez2871
@ryantellez2871 Ай бұрын
Mathnasium is pretty good if you want to homeschool a kid.
@Inductica
@Inductica Ай бұрын
The Singapore method and the Japanese method are really good for the early years. The Japanese method is more inductive, but that might only work when you have an actual teacher trained in their school system; the Singapore method might be better if you are just teaching yourself out of a book (less inductive though) I would sample both if I were you. Neither are perfectly inductive.
@alphalunamare
@alphalunamare Күн бұрын
7:35 This is briliant :-) I'd make it easier to understand though and label i^ as x^, j^ as y^ and k^ as z^.
@bernardofitzpatrick5403
@bernardofitzpatrick5403 14 күн бұрын
😂 nice one ! Subd
@Inductica
@Inductica 14 күн бұрын
@@bernardofitzpatrick5403 thanks!
@cleison-em7bk
@cleison-em7bk 12 күн бұрын
Its only a physics example . Main idea i guess is when a thing(vector of any physical variable) gets maximum or 0 , with cross or dot product
@jnhrtmn
@jnhrtmn 14 күн бұрын
Cross product works analogously for torque AFTER a right-hand rule, so everything after a right hand rule is void of any mechanism. Maxwell's equations use a cross product between electricity and magnetism, which means no one understands anything mechanically between those two. Modern science is happy merely describing what they see it do. "The wheels on the bus go round and round." This song describes everything you see a bus do exactly like math does, but you certainly can't claim to understand the bus with that "description," and an accurate analogy can be completely fake making fools out of lots of people. The variables in gravity math are not causal, and that's clue #1 to the Universe. Look at my gyro explanation to see what causality looks like.
@user-lz1yb6qk3f
@user-lz1yb6qk3f Ай бұрын
Instead of the cross product you should really use the geometric product and the bivectors from the geometric algebra. Also bivector lies in the plain of the rotation, not in some random axis.
@Inductica
@Inductica Ай бұрын
It would be interesting to know the physical meaning of those concepts of in geometric algebra, but the cross-product has a straightforward physical meaning that we can hold in mind to understand it, and it works for many applications. We don't need something fancy in cases where something simple will suffice.
@Inductica
@Inductica Ай бұрын
And part of my point is that the cross-product does not lie in a random direction, it lies along the axis of rotation!
@user-lz1yb6qk3f
@user-lz1yb6qk3f Ай бұрын
@@Inductica, geometric algebra isn't fancy. It's straight forward and intuitive. The multivectors are so good you can do calculus directly with them. The torque bivector that we will get by multiplying the r with the F will be numerically same as the vector that we will get with the cross product but it will have so much better and useful algebraic properties that after using it once you will never use cross product again. The geometric algebra is just so good you need to try it and you will love it. There are a swift introduction to it on KZfaq, it's short and it presents you with applications, in the end you'll see how Maxwell equations become just one simple differential equation with one differential operator and two multivectors and it is computable in this form it will blow your mind how easy all the math becomes.
@user-lz1yb6qk3f
@user-lz1yb6qk3f Ай бұрын
@@Inductica, I know that cross product lies on the axis of rotation, I know how it works, I've learned it in school and uni. You don't have axis of rotation in 2 or 4 dimensions. But you'll always have the plain of rotation in any number of dimensions where rotation is possible. That's why that the object describing rotation should line in the plane of rotation and not on the axis of rotation and that's what bivectors give you. Bivector is a part of a plane that has area and sign same way as a vector is a part of a line with length and sign. This works so well you'll love it, please look into it.
@Inductica
@Inductica Ай бұрын
@@user-lz1yb6qk3f That's very interesting! I've watched the swift introduction and found it interesting. Perhaps one day I'll do my own video on it if I find it to be essential to my project. Thanks for telling me about it!
@kptib1988
@kptib1988 12 күн бұрын
sticking the middle finger.. in the F direction..
@solapowsj25
@solapowsj25 14 күн бұрын
Collide dot products and charge cross ❌products.
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