There is, in New Zealand, a native called the Kanuka tree. She is a nursing mother tree. She comes first into traumatised forests. Those that are razed to the ground or destroyed by felling. And she plants herself as a pioneer and a watcher. She waits for the seeds of the other natives to be dropped by birds flying over this barrenness and, as they germinate, she shelters them. One day they grow strong enough for her to yield and let them surpass her with their strength and longevity. In despair, at an intergenerational mother wound, without knowing she would answer, I laid my head against her branches, and with such tender wisdom she took it all and showed me how to 'stand' it, and how to yield, and how to bear the mother load, and how we do so for one another - wholeheartedly. "Such love in solid wood". The poet and the mystic know with deep-rooted knowing that there is such wisdom in tree and stone. The standing still and watching, tenderly supporting the human who can continue to lean in and learn, not leave but love, still now and still moving, walking with and forever. Thank you David and Thomas. And Amy for hosting this mobius dialogue - the yielding and holding between two clearsighted minds and two hearts wholly open. "Given" and giving from and to the carver's hands.

This dialogue is so heart breakingly beautiful. I will never look at stone and despair the same again. Thank you David and Thomas...

«If only our own faces would allow the invisible carver’s hand to bring the deep grain of love to the surface.» ∞ David Whyte

"In my end is my beginning..."

Dr Bruce Wauchope explains the cause of the world's trauma. We cannot solve problems, but rather come to the knowledge of truth that transforms.

Wow David's piece at about 47:47 is quite impressive. So moving. I believe he called it "The Faces at Braga"

Radicle Simplification, Yes. Well said, exactly where I'm at, while making, so I can pull off complicated plans, .. to build my own house (sm. English cottage and greenhouse...dial in my life to what i can manage and do beautifully, living in my values expressed. teaching,

Wonderful to listen to this profound conversation. I appreciate and Love David's work. My first time hearing of Thomas. Thank you , I loved this sacred conversation.

Very captivating conversation! Elizabeth Swanson

marvelous

Wonderful... Thanks so much...

no bad parts.. deeplistening and sharing

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Words of a Poet may bring silence inside and around... The Poet and the Mystic, for those who feel or wish to feel one. Connecting with mystical poetry, that is pure art, may be a road for healing. Just take some time and breath to listen and feel how your heart expands… Alejandra Lucía Rotf

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Not to be negative, but why does it always involve "leadership" and "executives?" Does is always boil down to money?

Yes, there's nothing more enlightening then complete spiritual mumbo jumbo and psycho babble for the soul.

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