The Preservation of Quranic Text [ Western and Traditional view]

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KT

KT

2 жыл бұрын

One should not expect the conclusion of Secular Scholar to properly match with Traditional Perspective. Because if that was so, then there would be no value of the Western scholarship. But there is a greater degree of agreement between Islamic Traditional Perspective and Western scholarship about the preservation of the Quran.
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@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for some spelling mistakes in the video(Allah, Quran, Uthman).
@tacom0nsta658
@tacom0nsta658 2 жыл бұрын
was hoping you'd include some of Sean W. Anthony interview with Derek as well.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
@@tacom0nsta658 I couldn’t watch that video as I was busy due to my study reasons. I just made the video from very limited materials. I also wanted to include some more traditional material also but that would made the video more lengthy.
@APOLOGETICSPROJECT1
@APOLOGETICSPROJECT1 2 жыл бұрын
@@KT-ht2xjAssalamu aleykum brother, can you help me translate this video into Russian?
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
@@APOLOGETICSPROJECT1 Yeah, you can translate it. But there are some conditions. 1. You have to mention this channel. 2. You have to inform your viewers about the main video in this channel and have to inspire them to watch. (even though they have watched your translation). This would help this video(in English language) to get more views and thus it will be promulgated to more persons. I am just giving this condition to maintain the originality of the video in English language . Hope you have understood,brother. ❤️
@APOLOGETICSPROJECT1
@APOLOGETICSPROJECT1 2 жыл бұрын
@@KT-ht2xj of course brother, can you help me with the translation? we have already translated this video, you have a channel about Smith on your channel, it needs to be translated
@snaky1310
@snaky1310 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Well put together.. 👍👍
@dauharryrahman3398
@dauharryrahman3398 2 жыл бұрын
In discussing the preservation of the Qur'an we tend to forget a very important aspect of the Qur'an itself: its orality and the importance of its orality. We tend to use the same tools used for other texts like the Bible, for instance. The danger is that this may lead us astray. Non Muslims ignore that the Qur'an is the only religious text that undergoes an empirical test on a daily basis. Three times a day the, during the Fajr, Maghrib and Eisha prayers verses ot the Qur'an are recited in front of the congregation aloud by the Imam, the one conducting the prayer, aloud and in an audible manner. The rule is that as soon as he deviates it is incumbent on every one in the assembly too correct him at once and aloud.. Muslims know how often this happens. When perpetuating the preservation of the authenticity of the text , the latter undergoes a daily test. This practice started right during the lifetime of the prophet until today. One will say that the not the whole Qur'an is recited during the daily prayers and it is true. But on a yearly basis during the month of Ramadan the whole of the Qur'an is recited before vast multitudes of Muslims around the world during the Trawih prayers. The same rule of immediate correction called lukmah is applied. The problem studying the Qur'an arises when we try to apply the western tools like textual criticism to the Qur'an. All these tools rely uniquely on texts, mushaf. But texts, manuscripts, scrolls, bones, animals skins, etc. are perishable and by their very nature are subject to corruption, alteration, changes, intentional or unintentional. The Qur'an, however, in its own words are kept in"the breasts of men" and has been so since the revelation. No one can be a Muslim if he does pray five times a day and salaat is essentially the recitation of the verses of the Q"an. That is why millions of Muslims learn the whole text by heart. To illustrate the unreliability of text I'll quote a book written by Peter Enns "How the Bible was changed". The author who masters perfectly both Hebrew and Greek gives examples of how the Hebrew Bible was altered to suit a Greek audience. The Hebrew Bible says in in Genesis 2: God finished the work of creation on the seventh day. The problem is that God could not work on the seventh day and not respecting the Sabbath himself. So the authors of the Septuagint translated the verse God finished the work of creation on the sixth day. In any case, if we want to prove that the Qur'an is not intact we just have to come forward with one mosque where the Qur'an is recited differently.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
❝We cannot understand the history of the Qur’an during the Prophetic era without an understanding of the centrality of the Qur’anic recitation and memorization in Muslim ritual practice. Perhaps the most critical fallacy of Western academics who enter the arena of Qur’anic scholarship is that they presume that the Qur’an is like the Old or New Testament and consequently rely solely on manuscripts to construct a picture of its transmission and preservation, neglecting the importance of ritual memorization and oral recitation. Indeed, what percentage of Christians have memorized the entire New Testament in Koine Greek and recite it on a daily basis? Meanwhile, practically every Muslim community in the world boasts plentiful Ḥuf āẓ (singular Ḥāfiẓ): those who have memorized the entire Qur’an by heart in Arabic. The Qur’an is recited out loud in daily congregational prayers and from cover to cover during congregational prayers in Ramadan. This unbroken practice of reciting the Qur’an publicly in daily prayers since the time of the Prophet Muhammadصلى الله عليه وسلمis one of the reasons why revisionist Western narratives seem so fanciful to Muslim scholars familiar with the lived practice of Islam. ❞ (The Origins of the Variant Readings of the Qurʾan , by Shaykh Ammar Khatib)
@Abu_Bilaal
@Abu_Bilaal 6 ай бұрын
@KT thank you, jazaakhallaahukhair for this video! I really needed it!
@sifat_islam
@sifat_islam 2 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work brother. May Allah bless you and reward you for your efforts.
@mohamedelawady6986
@mohamedelawady6986 2 жыл бұрын
Great Content keep it up brother
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
Inshallah
@ofroaddude5859
@ofroaddude5859 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@H2ON_MEA
@H2ON_MEA 2 жыл бұрын
The Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) approved the 4 reading of Quran. 15:22 You have to make a meeting with some one how has more knowledge in Islam.
@ampeerprime421
@ampeerprime421 2 жыл бұрын
7 readings not 4, because of the 7 different ways Muslim Peoples speak from all over the world. Some nations because of their language can't pronounce certain letters, others can, and that's where the different readings come in. The English People for instance can't pronounce these letters (خ ، غ ، ح ، and others) that's where one of the 7 styles of readings gets in effect to make it easier for them to read it.
@rebasingh258
@rebasingh258 11 ай бұрын
Read what the Prophet PBUH said about jannat.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mptxp6WXtNWcdGw.html
@zaihanrifki3428
@zaihanrifki3428 5 күн бұрын
​@@ampeerprime421 as a muslim from Indonesian I can attest to this. The sundanese people in my country can't pronounce hurf fa (mostly the older people), so they pronounce the hurf as pa instead of fa.
@abulbashar725
@abulbashar725 2 жыл бұрын
Great dude👌💖
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@Stephanieevison8739
@Stephanieevison8739 2 жыл бұрын
Great brother
@liamobrien667
@liamobrien667 6 ай бұрын
Quotations disappear before I can finish reading them. Why wasn’t the palimpsest of Sana mentioned?
@iuddin1148
@iuddin1148 2 жыл бұрын
Quran means "Recital", it is memorised by recitation verbally. There is a chain of memorisation leading all the way back to The Prophet PBUH. When someone memorised the Quran they get an Ijazah, that is a certificate of authentication that this is how their teachers memorised it leading all the way back to The Prophet PBUH himself.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
What you said is Oral Transmission of Quran. The video was about Text of Quran. Yet, thanks for your comment, brother.
@ayaanabdulaziz
@ayaanabdulaziz 2 жыл бұрын
@@KT-ht2xj What he meant was that the oral transmission confirms the authenticity of the written transmission - not the other way round.
@iuddin1148
@iuddin1148 2 жыл бұрын
@@ayaanabdulaziz Yes, thanks for that.
@iuddin1148
@iuddin1148 2 жыл бұрын
@Bhi fee Yes the Quran exists in Book form. No one denies that. Transmission is through oral, as you cannot get 'Ijazah' by reading the book. It can only be given to students who have memorised it by heart.
@iuddin1148
@iuddin1148 2 жыл бұрын
@Bhi fee Sure, I will answer you. First answer me are you a Christian?
@mumtihanafci6487
@mumtihanafci6487 2 жыл бұрын
great
@elfenomeno5498
@elfenomeno5498 2 жыл бұрын
MashaAllah
@user-nd5lk2sk7i
@user-nd5lk2sk7i 5 ай бұрын
Well done brother
@Stephanieevison8739
@Stephanieevison8739 2 жыл бұрын
May Allah guide them to Islam the true path.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
Ameen
@afroade7895
@afroade7895 2 жыл бұрын
The true path is not beating women
@anwarsofian354
@anwarsofian354 2 жыл бұрын
@@afroade7895 Your brain will not understand the letters of the Qur'an because you, the people of God's translation, are not Jews and are not European
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
stable text changed very little after that the text basically hasnt change 4 copies uthman have differences like and he said & he said very little differrnces like 40 differ very tiny amd the text we have today basically more or less the same as uthman has standarized more or less baceus spellling change overtime small soelling differences but in term of word word for word same as uthman very preserved unlike bible have 1st centuri many copy no extra word or verse or misisng the skeleton the same majoriti bible no preserved quran 1 cnetury many quran multiply attested fron to back and many jesus mesiah no god jew allah same jew cirruot bible ublike muslim incredibly well preseved
@shihabshihabi
@shihabshihabi 2 жыл бұрын
No only Quran is preserved, part of the true Torah an Injeel are preserved within Quran.
@Mahid.Hassan
@Mahid.Hassan 2 жыл бұрын
Great work bro 💙
@syedmustafa8406
@syedmustafa8406 9 ай бұрын
Great compilation as a proof.
@MohamedShou
@MohamedShou 2 жыл бұрын
Mashallah brother I’m loving your channel May Allah reward you 👍🏾😁
@SohailAh46
@SohailAh46 2 жыл бұрын
Great video brother, may Allah reward you for your work. People need to see this.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, brother.
@bashireshkurfu8332
@bashireshkurfu8332 2 жыл бұрын
keep up the good work. May Allah reward you and help you
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
Inshallah.
@mohamednmv7539
@mohamednmv7539 2 жыл бұрын
Normally the Quran was not revealed the way it is today This is true, as there are verses that were revealed in Maka and others in the Medina, the harakate were added so that the reading of the Quran is the same and cannot be changed and the verses of the Quran were rearranged and titled when the prophet was still alive (I will check this info), and all this does not mean that the text was not preserved at perfection and when we talk about the preservation of the text we are talking about the original message that God revealed to the prophet, so if I understand correctly you meant that because the Quran underwent reorganizations which did not affect the words nor the sentences (so that there was an addition or that such and such sentence was expressly changed) that we cannot say that the book is perfectly kept? And on the last message that our brother put in this video it is true, it is important not to come too much talk until a person does not know much in a subject and this is valid whether in relation to the Christian and their book as well as us and our book, therefore Muslims being kind enough to want to deepen themselves more on our religion before wanting to converse (this is what I force myself to do because of course I do not know everything and I continue to learn), but that Christians do not also make the same mistake and start saying things that are false without knowing about the Quran I think that we should also insist on being pointed out to your Christian brothers KT.
@dadbidad1322
@dadbidad1322 6 ай бұрын
I understand there is no historical evidence about at least the first fifty years of Islam according to Islamic Siras, sources. How can Dr. Marijn be so confident about preservation of Quran?
@badidutv3314
@badidutv3314 2 ай бұрын
May i suggest : "uthman mushaf WELL preserved"
@virtualvessel0
@virtualvessel0 3 күн бұрын
The first Qurans were not "protected" were not "preserved" as Uthman recalled and burnt them - in place of 1 stating new copies to be exactly and precisely copied in to the future. This will produce a stable text we see today.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 3 күн бұрын
The Quran was revealed as a multiformic scripture with various ways of recitation! Uthman ra just compiled and standardized the recitation!. So the Quran is preserved today as it was revealed to the Prophet ( saw)
@fs5882
@fs5882 Жыл бұрын
can i find the original video?
@zionisthindurepublican7989
@zionisthindurepublican7989 9 күн бұрын
Yes look under mythvision
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 9 ай бұрын
The text may be preserved. But the language isn’t so nobody knows what it actually says/said. It had its time and did its job but we now live in a different modern world and we need to advance our brains and not go backwards.
@abd_cheese7353
@abd_cheese7353 Ай бұрын
The arabic language is very much alive and well. It is studied for years at universities in cairo or saudi arabia, just as a bare minimum to get into quranic studies. There are thousands of poems written by the arabs at the time that keep the language preserved
@philipcoriolis6614
@philipcoriolis6614 2 жыл бұрын
We also have L. Ron Hubbard complete if completion is the most important point in religions.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 2 жыл бұрын
We don't have L. Ron Hubbard complete since Scientologists suppresses the most embarrassing L. Ron Hubbard texts.
@philipcoriolis6614
@philipcoriolis6614 2 жыл бұрын
@@sentientflower7891 I admit Muslims don't hide their most embarrassing hadiths.
@sentientflower7891
@sentientflower7891 2 жыл бұрын
@@philipcoriolis6614 that is just precious considering that Jesus Christ is a known and documented liar.
@philipcoriolis6614
@philipcoriolis6614 2 жыл бұрын
@@sentientflower7891 We have zero positive evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus. The only indirect evidence we have is that nobody in the first centuries of Christian expansion denied he existed. They only denied he raised from the deads.
@philipcoriolis6614
@philipcoriolis6614 2 жыл бұрын
@نائب I agree.
@younesbenaddi4721
@younesbenaddi4721 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good video but why do use repeatedly brother Paul's face and he is not even in the video
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
I have used his face in the Thumbnail due to the reference of his video in 10:50. Moreover, I have shared this video to him and he didn't objected.
@Jesusthe.savior
@Jesusthe.savior 10 ай бұрын
8 Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you. 9 I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed. Galatian 1:8-9
@pr7049
@pr7049 2 жыл бұрын
As Suyuyat page 88:"Umar ibn Khattab narrated that Quran used to have 1 027 000 letters".Then over 70% of Quran was lost. This is a source accepted by sunni and shia.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
This report from ‘Umar is fabricated, and as-Suyooti himself criticised its isnaad, quoting adh-Dhahabi’s criticism of it. Adh-Dhahabi said concerning the hadith in Mizaan al-I‘tidaal (3/639): It is a false report. And Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqallaani agreed with him in Lisaan al-Mizaan (5/276). You are a hypocrite as you are quoting half of the thing and giving the expression that As-Suyuti accepted this whereas the reality is totally opposite.
@pr7049
@pr7049 2 жыл бұрын
@@KT-ht2xj He said also that Surah Al-Baqarah has lost 123 ayas.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
@@pr7049 You are a hypocrite. Now you have been caught and that's why changing the narration now. People like you can only copy, paste from Islamophobic sources.
@stephenconnolly1830
@stephenconnolly1830 Жыл бұрын
​​@@pr7049 - you already lost the argument by citing a fabrication. Furthermore, it's really not tenable to suggest large amounts of the Qur'an were not included by a community who both wrote it down and memorised it faithfully in the presence of the Prophet during his lifetime. This is simply ridiculous.
@unhingedconnoisseur164
@unhingedconnoisseur164 5 ай бұрын
3:14 lol why is he saying “lets take off our theological glasses and view this as a historian” to a non muslim historian?
@HqrvqrdDropOut
@HqrvqrdDropOut 2 жыл бұрын
Ezekiel 13:6-9 They have seen false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘Declares the Lord,’ when the Lord has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfill their word. Have you not seen a false vision and uttered a lying divination, whenever you have said, ‘Declares the Lord,’ although I have not spoken?” Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Because you have uttered falsehood and seen lying visions, therefore behold, I am against you, declares the Lord God. My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord God.
@LA_ILLAHA_ILALLAH_
@LA_ILLAHA_ILALLAH_ 10 ай бұрын
Ever thought you might be talking about yourself. That's the thing about a hypocrite, none would admit to it.
@OneAllahOneMessage
@OneAllahOneMessage 6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@faisalwho
@faisalwho 6 ай бұрын
Wow! What a blatant attack on Paul!
@Apkaa
@Apkaa 5 ай бұрын
​@@faisalwhololl 😂😂😂 awsome
@danyalkashf222
@danyalkashf222 3 ай бұрын
You know during the time of the Holy Prophet ﷺ there were those who claimed to be prophets and claimed to have received divine revelations, but they were all blasphemous and hypocritical, so i think this biblical verse is in reference to them, not the Holy Prophet ﷺ First when the prophet ﷺ son Ibrahim (RA) died, a solar eclipse came, and the people of Mecca said that it occurred when the son of the Holy Prophet ﷺ died, but the Holy Prophet ﷺ said that the sun and moon are two signs of God so when you see a solar eclipse offer prayers to God Second the Holy Prophet ﷺ never wanted to be a prophet, he had absolutely no interest nor any intention in being a prophet, he was a simple merchant and trader before his life as a prophet Thirdly he received the five daily prayers from God in heaven and met all the prophets in heaven Fourthly when he was born the stars of heaven shined bright, the fire in Persia faded, the idols in the Kaaba fell and broke, the throne of satan shook or broke
@riaztoonz
@riaztoonz 2 жыл бұрын
Great content great video brother, thanks a lot. May Allah bless you.
@rebasingh258
@rebasingh258 11 ай бұрын
Read what the Prophet PBUH said about jannat.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mptxp6WXtNWcdGw.html
@blackjack8043
@blackjack8043 2 жыл бұрын
My opinion: If we talk about the preservation of the standardised Quran :known by early Muslims like Sayd Jubayr as the recitation of Zayd Thabit) it is more reasonable to say there is a preservation to a degree however it is not perfect. There are many readings from the canonical 7 that were deemed weak, wrong and at other times grammatically repugnant. However I will say it is easy to disregard these as was the way of Al-Tabari Regarding whether the recitation of Zayd itself is correct, there is not a terrific amount of evidence to support any kind of preservation at all. Again, there were many readings that were considered grammatically wrong by the early Muslims, many mistakes commited by scribes and readings that completely contradict one another and Change Islamic law. However the early Muslims were more interested in not allowing confusion than keeping the Quran preserved, and others in the second generation simply took other readings of companions as authoritative and more correct in many instances.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
The video was about the "text" of the Quran. You didn't touch any of the point I have mentioned in the video.I think you didn’t watch the title. And about "Perfect Preservation", I don’t know how to address this as " Prefection" will be a subjective term to different categories of people. And I don’t know any Qira'at from the 7 was deemed "wrong". If you know, quote to me in arabic with context and also do give me the reference. And about Grammatical matter - The first thing is Arabic Grammer comes from the Quran not the other way round. And the narrations you are touching away by meaning " grammatical errors" or "scribal mistakes" has specific explanation for each case. Thanks for your opinion. 👍
@childofgod4862
@childofgod4862 2 жыл бұрын
@@KT-ht2xj Have you compared with Qurans that are in Museums yet? What about different Arabic Qurans? The number goes up more than 37 today
@fred1534
@fred1534 2 жыл бұрын
You said arabic grammar came from the koran.how do you deal with the more modern view that the arabic people wrote plenty before muhammed was born ?
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
@@fred1534 Before that Arabic Grammar was not codified. Here is an article you can read>www.iqraonline.net/
@fred1534
@fred1534 2 жыл бұрын
@@KT-ht2xj thanks for the clarity.👍
@bramkayser3194
@bramkayser3194 Жыл бұрын
In a well preserved record the quran.
@pr7049
@pr7049 2 жыл бұрын
Al-Qafi narrated that 2/3 of Quran was lost. This is a shia source.
@sohaibbhutta7223
@sohaibbhutta7223 7 ай бұрын
MashaALLAH what a beautiful explanation.
@afzalshahid6833
@afzalshahid6833 2 жыл бұрын
What these 2 dudes trying to prove? 🤔
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
They are discussing Quranic preservation from a secular perspective. The video was made to show that even from Orientalist perspective, Quran is well-preserved after Uthman though they might have different belief about origin of Islam and Quran.
@tymon1928
@tymon1928 4 ай бұрын
Van Putten is clear about that he doesn't believe that quran is perfectly preserved, he said that multiple times. He said it's greatly preserved and even then that is not a proof of a miracle of some divine act.
@Aarif-ox5mk
@Aarif-ox5mk 2 ай бұрын
That's an erroneous argument. The contextualization of the terminology "perfect" is highly subjective. Dr Van Putten unapologetically asserted that philologically and linguistically it is word for word identical to all the manuscripts within the first century of canonization, and that is "incredibly"well preserved from a theological and a historical critical position, and the inconsequential differences in manuscripts being mere scribal errors. He also emphasised that the Quranic tradition has been meticulously copied down from the point of canonisation till now with the responsibility being taken under government affiliated areas to prevent misattribution. As for the academically inconsistent and ludicrous claim of missionaries on the alleged variation in Quranic tradition, it is deemed incoherent and insignificant as an argument by the predominant western historical critical scholarship and the predominance of western historical critical scholarship has attested to the futility and catastrophic nature of the unsuccessful challenges made by missionaries on the preservation of the Qur'an. The incredibly faithful and meticulous preservation of the Quran by the oral and the written tradition has been attested to by the overwhelming predominance of western historical critical scholars such as Dr. Hythem Sidky, Dr. Marijn Vann Puten, Dr. Joshua Little, Professor Ali Ataei, etc. Ultimately, there is not a single unequivocal western historical critical scholar who has ever successfully challenged the incredibly faithful preservation of the Quran, because it is the unanimous consensus of the overwhelming predominance of western historical critical scholars on the inerrancy of the Quranic preservation.
@TheGoatOfMMA
@TheGoatOfMMA Ай бұрын
Dude do you even know linguistics and academics stance. And many times he said its identical letter by letter, 100s of manuscripts and so on. What you gonna do about that. Will you re define identical.
@roseabdullah8384
@roseabdullah8384 15 күн бұрын
Next time, grow an actual brain first before you start talking. PALESTINA LIBERA!!!!
@abdallaismail2188
@abdallaismail2188 2 жыл бұрын
Quran is preserved by memorization just as it was revealed right from the Bebe I g
@draoosi
@draoosi 2 жыл бұрын
you cant say you have the full text and some bits not there, pure waffles
@anwarsofian354
@anwarsofian354 2 жыл бұрын
David maintains that his god is a Jew with a European Caucasian face wkwkwk
@monotheist..
@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын
quran no firgeris like bible
@user-vb7gb9ci6g
@user-vb7gb9ci6g 9 сағат бұрын
One thing for sure... All religious scriptures are man made fables not from God
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 8 сағат бұрын
Made up opinion, not fact!
@user-vb7gb9ci6g
@user-vb7gb9ci6g 8 сағат бұрын
@@KT-ht2xj Chapter 69 verse 44 45 46 and 47 It's a warning to Muhamad When the verses was revealed Muhammad yet to eat the poison lamb at Khaybar but later the event really happened Muhammad really ate the poisoned lamb few yrs later Muhammad died.. ☝️ Muhamad is not that stupid to disgrace himself with such verses meaning the Quran was authored by 3rd party meaning Quran is not from God but man made Read... Bukhari 2619 4428 2588 Sahih Muslim 5430 Ibn Sa'd page 252 Sunan Abu Dawud 4498 Ibn Majah 1622 At Tabari page 124
@user-vb7gb9ci6g
@user-vb7gb9ci6g 8 сағат бұрын
@@KT-ht2xj Ibn Masoud Quran....111 chapters Al Fatihah, An Nas and Al Falaq not included Ubay bin Qab Quran...116 chapters Zayd bin Thabit Quran...114 chapters ☝️ Which Quran from Heaven 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 8 сағат бұрын
@@user-vb7gb9ci6g none of these narrations substantiate your claim
@user-vb7gb9ci6g
@user-vb7gb9ci6g 8 сағат бұрын
@@KT-ht2xj Bcoz you are ignorant creatures that's the beauty of Islam preacher hatred and lies 😂
@christianapologeticspolemics
@christianapologeticspolemics 2 жыл бұрын
The Quran was not perfectly preserved. Aisha reported while we were preoccupied with the death of the prophet and a goat eat the verses of stoning an adulterous and breastfeed feeding an adult 10 times. The satanic verses were removed from the Quran. Umar Al khattab said Let no one say they have the whole of the Quran. Let them say I have what remains.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
1. Goat eating narration is weak. 2.Satanic verses is a Qasas( story) and has no logical historical basis. 3. Umar(ra) said it in context of Abrogation.
@christianapologeticspolemics
@christianapologeticspolemics 2 жыл бұрын
@@KT-ht2xj Everything is weak in Islam. People present evidence evidence from the mother of the believers and it is weak. There are 50 authentic sources that the satanic verses did occurred Including Al Tabari and Al Waqidi. Do you mean to tell me you know more than these scholars. You are not a scholar and you will never be a scholar these men are and they said the satanic verses occurred. I believe the scholars that the Quran was not perfectly perserved. Abi Sarh Mohammad's scribe helped Mohamad finish the Surahs of the Quran. He was the one that coined the best of creators. He made Quran, Satan made Quran, the Jinn made Quran. How has the Quran being perfectly preserved?
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
@@christianapologeticspolemics Give me those 50 authentic source. Al- Tabari used many raw materials in his book. And he himself mentioned that if any part of his book seems objectionable, people can do criticism. ❝Hence, if I mention in this book a report about some men of the past, which the reader of listener finds objectionable or worthy of censure because he can see no aspect of truth nor any factual substance therein, let him know that this is not to be attributed to us..........❞ (Tarīkh al-Tabari 1/3)
@christianapologeticspolemics
@christianapologeticspolemics 2 жыл бұрын
@@KT-ht2xjMuslims always play the same game. They don't accept Islamic sources. I gave you Al Tabari and Al Waqidi. Are you a Muslim scholar like them? Do you know more than them? They dedicated there life to studying Islam and they are Muslim and they reported them as authentic. You are not a scholar and you will never be a scholar of Islam. They know more then you. You cannot dismiss them.
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
@@christianapologeticspolemics At first give me the reference that 50 authentic sources of "Satanic verses" before doing your childish tantrum and prove your honesty. And yes Scholar doesn’t mean he/ she is an angel. Our own Shaykhs have criticized their previous scholars works where they are criticizable as well as praised them where the works of previous scholars are praiseworthy. We don’t just blindly follow. Now I maybe not a scholar, but after reading your "big big " assertions it seems you know a lot. That's why I am asking give the 50 authentic sources and prove your honesty. One of your sources have already been weak. Provide other 50 authentics .
@janiceshugantini14
@janiceshugantini14 2 жыл бұрын
When the qouran is not Truth. Who cares about it
@KT-ht2xj
@KT-ht2xj 2 жыл бұрын
Then why did you comment?
@muslimboyilyas775
@muslimboyilyas775 2 жыл бұрын
You will wish to care when you will realise the truth after death
@khaledaskalany510
@khaledaskalany510 5 ай бұрын
Quran us the absolute truth
@badidutv3314
@badidutv3314 2 ай бұрын
May i suggest : "uthman mushaf WELL preserved"
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