The Principle of Non-Contradiction (Aquinas 101)

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The principle of non-contradiction stands as a kind of witness that human beings can know something solid and true about reality as a whole. The great calling of philosophy and metaphysics is to say much more about reality as a whole.
The Principle of Non-Contradiction (Aquinas 101) - Fr. James Brent, O.P.
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@gabrielmedina2480
@gabrielmedina2480 Жыл бұрын
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@garrylambert3994
@garrylambert3994 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, a concise and eloquent understanding of Metaphysics. Nicely done.
@ThomisticInstitute
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@matthewrossio1813
@matthewrossio1813 4 жыл бұрын
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@marcjulen1693
@marcjulen1693 4 жыл бұрын
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@davidfarquhar3764
@davidfarquhar3764 4 жыл бұрын
A clear and cogent explanation. Definitely food for the soul.
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@marjorietrujillo4422
@marjorietrujillo4422 4 жыл бұрын
I love the opportunity to watch these videos and review them at various times! Thanks
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@whoami8434
@whoami8434 4 жыл бұрын
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@ysalennsaguban5904
@ysalennsaguban5904 Жыл бұрын
Dayum you made this a lot easier for me to understand
@aiantenor9080
@aiantenor9080 2 жыл бұрын
clear and excellent explanation and visual illustration. Thank you very much
@jennawilson2225
@jennawilson2225 4 жыл бұрын
To be or not to be? That is the question. To be and not to be. That is nonsense.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
Hamlet had a sense for the PNC . . .
@marsh84722
@marsh84722 4 жыл бұрын
it doesn't have to conform with what makes sense to us for it to be true though. He said the law of non-contradiction could not be proven therefore to be and not to be could be true :) Even if it were proven false it could still be true if true and false mean the same thing via law of non-contradiction being untrue.
@patrick5301
@patrick5301 3 ай бұрын
Who wins in a fight of being correct: hUmAn LoGiC as based on absolutely nothing, or Einstein's concept of relatively?
@haceltaroma7706
@haceltaroma7706 2 жыл бұрын
Very great philosophical explanation
@kathiesalter8936
@kathiesalter8936 4 жыл бұрын
Well, that deals with Schrodinger's cat! I am loving your course. He did say He is the Truth. I really cannot thank you enough for making all this freely available to us!!
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
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@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 6 ай бұрын
The cat can be a useful device, in the pursuit of truth... just consider both possibilities and branch out from there, until you find a way to look inside.
@juanvivasp
@juanvivasp 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jkplima
@jkplima 4 жыл бұрын
Iluminating! Thanks!
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@robotspgc
@robotspgc 4 жыл бұрын
"We all know that it is impossible for something to be and not to be at the same time in the same respect." Erwin Schrodinger would like to have a word with you Joking aside, great video. Succinct, but gets the message across.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 2 жыл бұрын
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@michaellangan4450
@michaellangan4450 2 жыл бұрын
Robotspgc, Parmenides would like to have a word with Mr. Schrodinger.
@catholiccharismatum8199
@catholiccharismatum8199 4 жыл бұрын
Props to the video quality!!
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@newardor9650
@newardor9650 4 жыл бұрын
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@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
@@newardor9650 Thank you!
@kristindreko3194
@kristindreko3194 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, may our Lord Jesus Christ bless you!
@BanboClips
@BanboClips 6 ай бұрын
Respect, thanks
@user-wc1qh7nr5p
@user-wc1qh7nr5p 10 ай бұрын
Let us remember that St. Thomas' "Principle of Non-Contradiction", like Einstein's "Theory of Relativity", applies only to the "Observable Macro-Universe,"; but it is Contradicted and Does Not Apply to the "Micro-Universe" where a given particle "May" and "May Not" Be/Exist at the same point in the Space-Time grid.
@davidcoleman5860
@davidcoleman5860 4 ай бұрын
There is nothing to “remember” here. The principle of contradiction is A ≠ ~A *in the same respect.* So long as there are legitimate different respects, there is no contradiction. An altered particle state is what is known as an observer effect. This has nothing to do with the law of non-contradiction.
@Enya111Bayting-pz2zv
@Enya111Bayting-pz2zv 22 күн бұрын
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@grailcountry
@grailcountry 3 жыл бұрын
Lately I have been given to questioning Divine Impassibility because it is possible that, though we cannot escape the law of noncontradiction as finite beings, if God is beyond the category of Being, it may not apply to God. The Bible makes for more sense if we dispense with this legacy of Greek philosophy and simply trust the Revelation, even if we can't understand it. I'm sure this won't be popular.. but I'm also sure you can see that I have positioned this argument beyond clear refutation, as it has rejected (when speaking of God) the very tool you would use for refutation.
@BrianThomas
@BrianThomas 2 жыл бұрын
This was a beautiful explanation of the principles of non-contradiction. I realize that this isn't a science channel, but since Aquinas understood scientific practices. It stands to reason that the principle of non-contradiction is flipped upside down with what we understand thus far about quantum mechanics. The reason why I'm saying this is because both are a clear representation of what reality is. Even Einstien couldn't and didn't want to believe what quantum mechanics was telling us. How did he put it? "Spoke actions at a distance" with respect to quantum entanglement, again I understand that Aquinas is approaching reality from a philosophical point of view, but these principles are deeply rooted in reality no matter what faith you hold to be true. The same is true with respect to quantum mechanics. So, if both are true how can they contradict one another? This is a direct quote from Wikipedia but take Schrödinger's cat for example. Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment that illustrates a paradox of quantum superposition. In the thought experiment, a hypothetical cat may be considered simultaneously both alive and dead as a result of its fate being linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur is a thought experiment that illustrates a paradox of quantum superposition. In the thought experiment, a hypothetical cat may be considered simultaneously both alive and dead as a result of its fate being linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur
@BrianThomas
@BrianThomas 2 жыл бұрын
So after I posted I later found that someone was thinking the same thing that I was. Here's the response: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p92oeZqZ2dq2f4k.html it's from the same channel. I do have other questions as well based on that video, but you'll have to so tap or click the KZfaq link to see it. That video is also packed with some great explanations.
@williamjerome5836
@williamjerome5836 4 жыл бұрын
Fr Brent said, I think, that Aristotle called the subject "metaphysics" but my understanding is that this label came hundreds of years later. Bill J.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
Aristotle wrote quite a few philosophical treatises. The most famous are the Physics, the Metaphysics, the De Anima, the Nicomachean Ethics, and the Politics. I am not entirely clear as to whether Aristotle himself gave the titles to his works, but I believe that the work, the Metaphysics, has been named that for many centuries. Scholars debate if it is meant to connote the text that comes after the Physics (meta- meaning beyond) or it names the proper subject matter of metaphysics. The word ontology (used interchangeably with metaphysics) did not come on the scene until the modern period, but metaphysics has been in common usage for some time.
@AcontecimentosposCVII
@AcontecimentosposCVII 3 жыл бұрын
BASED
@michaellangan4450
@michaellangan4450 2 жыл бұрын
Fr. Brent, O.P. Would the psychological state of ' ambivalence' be an exception to the law of non- contradiction?
@EinSofVirtuoso
@EinSofVirtuoso 4 жыл бұрын
I've ran into something called Intuitionist logic, which does not observe the laws of the excluded middle or double negation. Is this something worth pursuing or just a novelty?
@McRingil
@McRingil 4 жыл бұрын
My opinion is that the principle of excluded middle can be denied only in a framework very detached from the one we're using. There could be more than two-valued truth tables and it is conceivable. But is has nothing to do with natural language assertions which can be either true or false, no other option.
@luisf359
@luisf359 3 жыл бұрын
There are some difference between the "logic" of reality and the logic human brain can produce by symbols created by our minds. When i write down "A = A" i'm not writing "the principle of identity", this is a symbolic principle of identity, applied only in my mental model. I could (as some modern logicians) say that this principle is not valid. But this only works in the symbolic level, in the ontological level of reality i have to assume the principle of identity in order to negate it simbolicaly. The same works for other traditional logical notions
@kingreyroi
@kingreyroi 4 жыл бұрын
how does the principle of non-contradiction and schrodinger's cat interact/ are they reconcilable?
@williamjerome5836
@williamjerome5836 4 жыл бұрын
@@ThomisticInstitute The cat was both dead and not dead at the same time
@TrixieWolf
@TrixieWolf 4 жыл бұрын
In quantum physics it is true that things can be in two states at the same time, but this is not a contradiction because it is part of a more fundamental framework which is not self-contradictory. The underlying wave function which defines the degree to which a thing is in two states must have a specific value. You don't have the same wave function with different values at the same time. So while a particle can truly be located in a variety of positions simultaneously, the function defining that variety has only one specific value. The manner by which this is explained depends upon your interpretation of quantum physics. The most common interpretation, the Copenhagen interpretation, does not attempt to explain anything about the existence of the wave function, so it fails as a theory both to reconcile the phenomenon with reality and in some cases even fails predictively. The next most common interpretation, the many-worlds interpretation, states that such a particle exists in multiple locations in multiple universes, which explains the apparent contradiction because it is no longer just one particle (or cat).
@kathiesalter8936
@kathiesalter8936 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you forthis.
@renlamomtsopoe
@renlamomtsopoe 4 жыл бұрын
@Justin King In Ed Feser's 5 proofs he addresses this particular topic I guess
@starfishsystems
@starfishsystems Жыл бұрын
Two words: quantum superposition. It's convenient and probably necessary for getting through ordinary matters that we hold to the idea of dualistic, mutually exclusive states, to describe many phenomena. Something is either a horse, or it isn't a horse, but not some intermediate condition of being. But we must recognize that some of these states are descriptive conveniences rather than strict ontological predicates. Is a horse missing one leg still a horse? How many parts can we remove before we no longer regard it as being a horse? It's a macabre example, but it is the classic example of the problem. A more modern example is the chair on which you may be sitting. It may appear to exist as a distinct object from your body, but both are mostly composed of empty space, with fairly indistinct and indeed overlapping boundaries separating them. Molecular structures maintain energy states that resist change below a certain activation threshold, so that chair and body don't seem to spontaneously dissolve into each other or react chemically. But in fact they always do to some degree. And various other forces are a work as well, such as static charge attraction and repulsion, hydrogen bonding, van see Walls force, surface adsorption, and so on. These usually don't warrant close attention, unless something goes wrong such as mosquito repellant acting as a solvent and causing the chair upholstery to dissolve on your skin. You may then still describe the chair and yourself as separate, but that claim has now become more arbitrary. Most of our ordinary intuitions, including the logical absolutes, don't correctly describe quantum phenomena. Quantum objects are correctly and accurately described by probability wave functions in which "being" is more like one or more fuzzy clouds rather than any kind of point mass. Some electron orbitals in atoms, for example, are not spherical but consist of two lobes with a plane in between of zero probability. A single electron "half-exists" (fully exists with probability 0.5) in one lobe and half in the other. It does not travel in between. Where are the laws of identity and excluded middle expressed here? Quantum superposition is another example, famously illustrated by Schrödinger's cat being both alive and not alive until measured. This clearly violates the law of non-contradiction, yet various observed phenomena require this violation to hold. But, happily for the edifice of reason, it needn't hold forever. In short, there's nothing wrong with the logical absolutes, only that they have certain identifiable limitations that usually don't intrude but should nevertheless be acknowledged just to keep the account completely honest.
@Charango123quena
@Charango123quena 2 жыл бұрын
What about quantum states that posses more than one property’s at the same time ie superposition? We are building quantum computers around these principles? Doesn’t this break your law ?
@kristofvizy3970
@kristofvizy3970 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! But how about the contradictions of quantum physics?
@damoclesian
@damoclesian 4 жыл бұрын
obviously, quantum physics is rubbish.
@UriasThePious
@UriasThePious 4 жыл бұрын
From what I understand, which is very little, the contradictions don't arise in the strict sense, but either there are competing theories of interpretation such that they can't both be right, or that they are lead to an absurdity. For example, people think the Schrodinger cat example is an example of a true contradiction, but if I recall correctly, Schrodinger used that as an absurd conclusion of a certain interpretation of the physics and so should be rejected. He wasn't advocating that a contradiction was true, only that a certain position lead to a contradiction and thus is rejected, for the reason stated in the video: they can't be real.
@hughturley1062
@hughturley1062 4 жыл бұрын
Physics uses numbers which are imaginary. We use physics because it works but it is not reality. Things that work does not mean that they are true.
@fernandocavalcanti4197
@fernandocavalcanti4197 4 жыл бұрын
Quantum physics is probabilistic, reality is not. I dont think there is a contradiction.
@TheGeneralGrievous19
@TheGeneralGrievous19 4 жыл бұрын
In a light of thomistic metaphysics I would say that quantum realm is very potential. It is a fuzy world were things are just not well defined. For example - before measurement particle is in potential state in which it 'is' in more than one place based on probability. Similarly quantum object is in potential of being wave or a set of particles. Before we could say that they exist and have wave-like behaviour. But after the observation quantum objects have decisive nature and other simple properties. You could say they are actualized to some point. God bless You! ✝️
@ashwith
@ashwith 4 жыл бұрын
At the start of the video, Fr. Brent says that the PNC shows that it is possible for us to know absolute truth. Towards the end, father shows how the PNC explains how the PNC shows us that reality is self-consistent. Is this the truth father was talking about, i.e., reality is self-consistent? Second question - from what I understand, the PNC only tells us that a contradiction isn't possible - it doesn't help us with knowing which of the two contradictory statements is true. So the PNC tells us that the ball cannot be both red and not red at the same time. But the PNC cannot tell us which of the two is true. Is my understanding correct? This would mean that we would need "something else" to know which of the two statements is true right?
@josephzammit8483
@josephzammit8483 2 жыл бұрын
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@rogercarles1700
@rogercarles1700 4 жыл бұрын
I struggle with non-contradiction, ever since I started paying attention o self-referential systems and Gödel's work. It seems to me as if there are two dimensions of reality. Gödel ended up cooking up a system, in his incompleteness theorems, that showm that a system could be either consistent (non-contradictory) or complete (meaning you can derive any propositions from the axioms). Most people won't even think about this durinf their lived amd the system of non-contradicion prevails but what about when we examine whole belief/formal systems (like Tomistic Christianity or Mathematics)? As I understand, truth got weakened. If we can't proof something from the axioms (since this is an axiom) shouldn't we take some things on faith (meta-axioms) and then apply non-contradiction? A logical conclusion of Gödel's theorem is that we shall not impose axioms on others via law or moral demand, but rather enter in a sort of faith-reason conundrum which seems to "work" pragmatically. This is a conundrm that is being studied by Physicist Brown at Duke University (see "as a necessary prior condition for any sort of philosophical discussion all participants need to agree on their axioms, the unprovable assumptions and methods of reasoning upon which their conclusions are ultimately based" ( webhome.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Philosophy/axioms.php). Contemporary controversial author E Michael Jones, a thomist who has just published Logos rising, equates reason with logos. It is not clear to me the explanatuin Aquinas gives for Logos. For me, as someone who studies ecolgy and is utterly interedted in the conmectiom between Christianity & Ecology, it makes intuitive sense to distinguis ideological positions based on poorly examined propositions (like current environmentalism which tends to be anti-logos) with Ecology which pays carefum attention at the identification of relevant variables, carries out tests and tries to achieve internal coherence. Robert Ulanowicz, in his ecological metaphysics, leaves room for miracles and God's intervention and yet, it seems to be almost impossible to proof, as specific interventions can't be reproduced and tend to be time and place-specific. I'd like your take on all this. Thank you for your vids!
@rogercarles1700
@rogercarles1700 4 жыл бұрын
Another logical conclusion, which Brown reaches is that reason has limits which does not mean ended up in a sort of irrational will-to-power approach but that reason is self-contained in faith. That is important since then it weakens the concept of absolute truth (in theology) and of law (in science). If such is the case then, could that explain why the catholic church has hisrorically failed (it is know verh weak in the west) for trying to impose itself in an overly restrictive manner, rather than being voluntarely accepted? Reminds me of the argument that Dostoievsky seems to be making in the Kazamarov brothers when Jesus comes to the inquisitor and the latter reprimands the former for coming again and putting so much preassure by which Jesus kisses him on the lips and leaves the door open! In other words, faith is higher than truth, something which most believers experiemce when the tragedy of life comes into full force.
@madra000
@madra000 Жыл бұрын
How does this work in relationships where there is empirical conditions that both show laws under one system of thought but not laws under one system of thought. I'll elaborate bc it is convoluted, Einsteins E=MC2 is considered true by systems of evaluation. But it is correct also when they are seen in the beings absent the motion of C^2 they are different yet the same( undifferentiated) does this not invalid the principle?
@alphazero5614
@alphazero5614 11 ай бұрын
We must not reduce all of being to what can be measured empirically. When you view E=MC^2 from a purely metaphysical perspective, absent the particular motions involved, you can see that energy and mass still relate as the same being, just under different aspects or determinations. There is no contradiction between them, for their identity in being is not dependent on any empirical conditions. I actually think Einstein's equation serves to illustrate the universal scope of non-contradiction.
@jackdarby2168
@jackdarby2168 3 жыл бұрын
Geometry is the "study of continuous quantity". I never heard it explained like that. Very much to the point. So far I stuck to "branch of maths that studies shapes". But if geometry is that, "study of expanding quantity", Maths must also be a kind of study of quantity, right? How can general Mathematics properly be defined?
@injcksn1994
@injcksn1994 4 жыл бұрын
How does this apply to quantum mechanics?
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
Truth be told, this is a bit outside of our competence, but there are scholars who are working on precisely these questions from within the Aristotelian-Thomistic tradition. Considering consulting the work of Robert Koons (UT Austin), Robert Verrill, O.P. (Baylor), and Thomas Davenport, O.P. (Providence College). Others can chime in too with good resources!
@brucebarron9641
@brucebarron9641 4 жыл бұрын
Werner Heisenberg and Thomas Aquinas on Natural Indeterminacy. Ignacio Silva
@kp3871
@kp3871 4 жыл бұрын
@@ThomisticInstitute I second Robert Verrill, O.P. (Baylor)!
@ashwith
@ashwith 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this would be a good way to resolve this: As per Quantum Mechanics, a particle is described by its wave function. So if I have to apply the PNC here, I'd say a particle cannot both have and not have a specific wavefunction at the same time and in the same respect. Would this work?
@theoldpaths6897
@theoldpaths6897 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Wolfgang Smith. Someone just made a movie about his work, "The end of quantum reality"
@iqgustavo
@iqgustavo 10 ай бұрын
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🧐 The principle of non-contradiction is a fundamental concept in metaphysics and philosophy, stating that it is impossible for something to both be and not be at the same time and in the same respect. 02:20 🤔 The principle of non-contradiction applies to reality itself, emphasizing that reality is self-consistent and not contradictory, even though people may hold contradictory beliefs or perspectives. 04:12 🌟 The principle of non-contradiction serves as a foundation for understanding reality as a whole, and philosophy and metaphysics aim to explore and explain more about the nature of reality. Made with HARPA AI
@SevenDeMagnus
@SevenDeMagnus 2 жыл бұрын
Coolness.
@literallyahuman3743
@literallyahuman3743 6 ай бұрын
this reminds me of schrodinger's cat!! but like the opposite (kinda)
@meliodasarabasta8614
@meliodasarabasta8614 7 ай бұрын
The laws of logic are inherent to God cause God is the truth
@mateusmontini797
@mateusmontini797 Жыл бұрын
But what about Quantum physics and superposition?
@alphazero5614
@alphazero5614 11 ай бұрын
Quantum superposition only appears contradictory from within the classical, macroscopic frame of reference. Apparent contradictions arise not from things themselves, but from our deficient or erroneous conception of them. When we consider reality at the quantum level according to its own proper metaphysical principles, superposition may in fact indicate a deeper level of being that is not fully comprehensible to the discursive intellect, but is not inherently contradictory.
@aarond.580
@aarond.580 9 ай бұрын
What about a banana that is in the process of ripening. It can be both yellow and green, aren't those contradictory colors at the same time?
@delsydebothom3544
@delsydebothom3544 3 ай бұрын
I think the conditions of "and in the same respect" resolves your question.
@donaldderrick1595
@donaldderrick1595 3 жыл бұрын
what about quantum field theory?
@Robobotic
@Robobotic 3 жыл бұрын
That's normative. It already assumes quantum theory and all of It's attributes in the first place - following the law of non-contradiction. Heisenberg for example admits that the quantum level cannot be understood without things like platonic forms. In fact the empirical method already has problems within non-subatomic investigation - like having to justify that one event leads to another.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 2 жыл бұрын
Great question! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p92oeZqZ2dq2f4k.html
@Eowyn3Pride
@Eowyn3Pride 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if AI challenges this principle...🤔 Also, what about the Saints that bilocated? They were often existing in more than one place at a time.
@Enigmatic_philosopher
@Enigmatic_philosopher 11 ай бұрын
Here is a philosophical critique of the video's treatment of the law of non-contradiction: - The presenter does not acknowledge that the status of the law of non-contradiction is more controversial in modern philosophy than suggested. - Paraconsistent and dialetheic logics have been developed to handle some apparent contradictions, challenging the assumption that contradictions must always indicate overall falsehood. - Referring to the law as self-evidently true begs the question. Establishing it as properly basic requires ruling out coherent challenges like dialetheism through argumentation. - The examples provided wrongly assume universal intelligibility and uninterpreted experience. But perception itself can involve conceptual interpretation. - The video suggests contradictions render discourse impossible, but paraconsistent logic shows communication can coherently continue even with occasional contradictions. - It is asserted without argument that rejecting the law leads to absurdity. But some philosophers argue accepting true contradictions is no less coherent. - The law's ontological status remains debated - whether it is an ontological principle or merely an artefact of logic systems. Overall, the video presents the law of non-contradiction as far less controversial than it is in modern philosophy. It does not address serious philosophical challenges from dialetheism and paraconsistent logic. More nuance is required on the intricacies of this debate.
@AluminiumT6
@AluminiumT6 2 ай бұрын
Akshually 🤓
@nicoscool2333
@nicoscool2333 7 ай бұрын
the intro song sounds kinda like the futurama intro tbh
@andersonmeneses3599
@andersonmeneses3599 2 жыл бұрын
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@zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651
@zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651 Жыл бұрын
Would love to have you on thought adventure podcast KZfaq channel Livestreams insya Allah
@matejmoravek4580
@matejmoravek4580 Жыл бұрын
What about Schrodinger's cat?
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute Жыл бұрын
We have a video on that topic: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p92oeZqZ2dq2f4k.html. Hope it helps! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. May the Lord bless you!
@eishiba3916
@eishiba3916 3 жыл бұрын
What if you breath through your mouth but not your nose? Then you are breathing and not breathing.
@theprogressivehoodie6499
@theprogressivehoodie6499 Жыл бұрын
Yes, but not in the same sense.
@francesbernard2445
@francesbernard2445 Жыл бұрын
As you are already aware we can while in the flesh know some however not all truths about reality as a whole. That is a paradigm not a contradiction isn't it?
@boltonwandererscluboffootb4615
@boltonwandererscluboffootb4615 Жыл бұрын
Electron has entered the chat
@helpmaboabb
@helpmaboabb 2 жыл бұрын
Genuinely don't know the answer to this, but doesn't this principle break down completely at quantum level?
@newardor9650
@newardor9650 4 жыл бұрын
So the Principle of Non-Contradiction is applicable 100% within the natural law, but not always applicable to the supernatural law i.e. bi-location, Holy Trinity, Incarnation, Immaculate Conception etc.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, an excellent question. The PNC states that something cannot both be and not be at the same time and in the same respect. So, when someone bi-locates as St. Martin de Porres or St. Pio of Pietrelcina did, do we have a failure of the principle. I think the answer is no, we don't. Why? Well, insofar as this does not introduce an internal incoherence into the fabric of reality. When bi-locating, St. Martin does not cease to be St. Martin, he just is and acts as St. Martin (in some sense) at a distance from a place at which he currently is and is acting. How? Well, by the power of God. There's no natural potency in man for such extraordinary things, but we do have an obediential potency to receive the action of grace in spectacular fashion. So, God who is omnipresent to all reality inner-mostly can make a man to be present here and there at the same time. Is this his actual body in both places? While I don't know, I suspect that we would have to say no insofar as it would introduce an incoherence to have a single human person with two bodies (and perhaps two souls)? What you have in the second locale is probably something like what we have in the Scriptures when the angels assume a human shape. This is highly speculative, so my apologies for any imprecision! But, I think we can say that the PNC still applies to supernatural things. Let us know how that sounds and then we can take on the Holy Trinity, Incarnation, and Immaculate Conception in turn.
@newardor9650
@newardor9650 4 жыл бұрын
@@ThomisticInstitute Thank you for putting these amazing short simple snippets of the greatest mind alive but extremely intimidating for laity like me to study. May I know who I'm replying to? Are you one of the friar at the DHOS? My husband and I are very privileged to start our postulancy last Sunday in one of the Lay Chapter in DHOS. These are excellent videos to begin my journey into the ways of the Dominicans. And thank you for your thorough answer. My apology, English is not my first language, pardon for the broken grammar. As for Padre Pio, when he was asked about his bi-locations, the closest he ever came to an explanation of it was to say that it occurred "by an extension of his personality" (www.ewtn.com/padrepio/mystic/bilocation.htm). I assume that all of us, who are not God, and unlike God, are not omnipresent, therefore it's impossible for us to be at different places at the same time in our full humanity, mind, body and soul. We probably will never know how God supernaturally bi-locate saints and in what form this person is in the other locale. Because bi-location is a supernatural act of God however, I wonder if PNC is applicable as the author of such acts is God, who is not bound to the 'natural law'. Now, in the case of the Eucharist. Is PNC applicable to its existence. We Catholic believes that the Body, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord, Jesus Christ is really present in the Eucharist. How is Jesus present in the Eucharist at the same time in the different places, in all the tabernacles all over the world, in our bodies and yet exist also at the right hand of the Father? Doesn't that break the PNC? Or because God is Omnipresent, because He's a Supernatural being, He doesn't have to abide under the 'natural law' or He supersedes it, therefore PNC is not applicable to Him? Looking forward to your answer.
@newardor9650
@newardor9650 4 жыл бұрын
As I was contemplating on PNC, I assume it’s also applicable to abstract things ie personality of God, the truth about who God is. In this aspect, PNC can be used as a very powerful weapon for spiritual warfare. I’m thinking of applying PNC to St Paul’s teaching in 2 Cor 10: “3 For though we live in the world we are not carrying on a worldly war, 4 for the weapons of our warfare are not worldly but have divine power to destroy strongholds. 5 We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ.” As we all know that the battle for our soul often starts in our mind. The enemy would throw lies, half truth about ourselves, others and God. Often in desolation we start to doubt God’s goodness, faithfulness, wisdom etc., either coming from our own head or the enemy’s voice. We can use the PNC to counter all the lies that are trying to pull us down. For example, God can’t be both at the same time all loving and wanting to cause us harm. Another, God can’t be unfaithful and faithful at the same time. Seeking and living out of the truth about God, His character, what He says in the Scripture then becomes very potent weapon to apply PNC to combat spiritual warfare in the mind. What do you think?
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
@@newardor9650 For going deeper, email the Thomistic Institute at thomisticinstitute@dhs.edu and we can continue the conversation!
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
@@trihard5060 Do you have a particular question concerning essence or matter in Berkeley?
@JimCvit
@JimCvit Жыл бұрын
Maybe one exception: bilocation? Padre Pio was in two places at once.
@alphazero5614
@alphazero5614 11 ай бұрын
True, God is not bound by any natural principles in producing effects beyond nature.
@ECharlesSSnow
@ECharlesSSnow 4 жыл бұрын
"No one would believe the detectives that the subject was both at, and not at the store at 7pm." Unless the subject was an electron.
@luisf359
@luisf359 3 жыл бұрын
Only if a electron is a "being" or a "thing" (like many who thinks it as a litle ball). But as the Aristotelians are interpreting QM, this particles are some mix of potenciality in some beings, they are not "things" . Heisenberg already notice that long time ago.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 2 жыл бұрын
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@jeoffreywortman
@jeoffreywortman 2 жыл бұрын
Aritotelianism, therefore is based on an affirmation of consequent. PNC is not sufficiently reasonable. It follows from Aristotle's axioms, then he uses what he could be demonstrating as an antecedent for his metaphysics. It is not that being cannot not be at the same time. It is that "not-being" has no being. There is no being of that which is not. No instance of being is such that it's being is the being of not-being. It is not that a man cannot exist and not-exist at the same time. It is that in no time a man can have the quality of not-existing. What doesn't exist doesn't exist and therefore it cannot be predicated to have any quality. Saying, for example that "unicorns don't exist" is a way of speaking. There is a predication, therefore the subject of a predication exists, for if it didn't exists, it would be impossible to predicate about it. So saying for unicorns not to exist. Is saying in reality that unicorns exist in a way that is not in the same way than something else exists. The Anglo-Saxon tradition conflates the attribute of having a discernible mode of being, with "not existing". All due to Aritotle's dogmatic ontology of the negation of being.
@Ehsanh83
@Ehsanh83 3 жыл бұрын
He mentioned that you can not prove non contradiction such as someone is 6 ft tall and not 6 ft tall at the same time, but would not measuring the person's height proof that the person is 6 ft tall and therefore not otherwise. So is it not possible to prove the law of non contradiction?
@eltonron1558
@eltonron1558 2 жыл бұрын
The supernatural, is a reality, thus, the possibility of a God, is a reality.
@mushfiqurrahman1107
@mushfiqurrahman1107 3 жыл бұрын
Reality is self consistent *Until Quantum Mechanics arrives the chat*
@AlexG-nr4eh
@AlexG-nr4eh 3 жыл бұрын
I only studied quantum mechanics at the undergraduate level, but according to my understanding it doesn't violate the principle of non-contradiction. Quantum mechanics doesn't say "the particle is in two states at once", it says "until we observe it, the particle does not have a defined state."
@mushfiqurrahman1107
@mushfiqurrahman1107 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomisticInstitute but wave and particle property themselves are contradictory to each other. (That is in our classical sense)
@mushfiqurrahman1107
@mushfiqurrahman1107 3 жыл бұрын
@@AlexG-nr4eh umm, that part depends on what interpretation you follow. I wasn't talking of interpretations though, since those could be wrong. I was talking based on experimental facts. Such facts that violets our understanding, specifically Aristotelian laws of thoughts like Law of non-contradiction. You know that famous example with an electron and three box for detecting it's two distinct properties, that experiment ends with a set of options that electron must have taken either (1) path A or (2) path B or (3) path A & B both at once (4) or none of A/B. However with other facts we get from experiment, we conclude none of those options were the case. At this point, classical way of thinking stops making sense. I believe you can find this matter in Wiki page too. In the page for law of NC there is a para named objections and the only objection there is called "Schrödinger's logic". (You guessed the stuff with the name)
@mushfiqurrahman1107
@mushfiqurrahman1107 3 жыл бұрын
Although I agree you can save Law of non contradiction, but in order to that you would have to give up another law, that is law of excluded middle. Basically what I'm saying is, you can't hold true the laws of thought in face of quantum mechanics. This fact seems very thrilling for me. For all our history we saw nature behaving in certain ways so we concluded it *must* always behave as such. We named our *inducing* observations of reality as "logics" as if we know it all. But truly we don't. Upon looking at realm of smallest and biggest, we can now realize that our *unfailing* tools named logics weren't something curved on stone, never to be violated. Just like any other scientific matters, that was based on our induction in reality. Now that new evidence has come, those ideas are being falsified.
@AlexG-nr4eh
@AlexG-nr4eh 3 жыл бұрын
@@mushfiqurrahman1107 I guess what I'm getting at is that although quantum mechanics certainly does things that appear illogical, it doesn't blatantly violate the law of non-contradiction. For the example of the electron, rather than somehow taking multiple paths at the same time, it is sufficient to consider the electron to have never had a well-defined position in the first place, so that it cannot be said to have taken any particular path. I've never studied quantum field theory but I imagine it goes along similar lines; there's no need to give up on a principle as inviolable as the idea that something cannot simultaneously be and not be. We still don't even fully understand how the quantum realm operates, so I would say that logic itself remains intact unless eventually proven otherwise... and indeed, if it was proven otherwise, that would be a paradox in itself, because you have to use logic to prove things. At the end of the day I hold out that quantum mechanics is just a very confusing puzzle that appears at first glance to defy logic but is actually perfectly logical. We just don't understand it yet.
@nextchannelnext8890
@nextchannelnext8890 4 жыл бұрын
Did you ever ask why St. Thomas A. stopped writing and dictating all these? Can someOne Help Finish The Summa Theologiae? GOD Will.
@benwaguespack5055
@benwaguespack5055 2 жыл бұрын
Fr. Hank Green isn't real he cant hurt u Fr. Hank Green:
@GraysonMedical
@GraysonMedical 2 ай бұрын
I doubt this and believe it at the same time. Which brings me to my point, the human brain is the only thing that can break this law.
@geraldharrison5787
@geraldharrison5787 6 ай бұрын
Is the law of non-contradiction necessarily true, or just true? I think a theist has to maintain that it is just true, not that it is necessarily true. For if it is necessarily true, then God would not be able to violate it. Yet with God all things are possible....
@delsydebothom3544
@delsydebothom3544 3 ай бұрын
A violation of the law of non-contradiction is not a thing. It is therefore not possible for God.
@geraldharrison5787
@geraldharrison5787 3 ай бұрын
@@delsydebothom3544 That's question begging. If God can do anything, then God can actualize a contradiction. And thus it is a thing. Note too that the claim can be shown to be false another way: a square circle involves a contradiction, yet it is clearly a thing. It is an object that is wholly square and wholly circular at the same time. You will reply that no such thing can exist, but the only evidence you will have for this is that the idea involves a contradiction. The law of non-contradiction is true - that is not in dispute. But I repeat my argument: if God exists, then God would be able to violate such a law (if you think otherwise, explain how a law can constrain God). And thus if God exists, the law of non-contradiction is contingently true, not necessarily true.
@delsydebothom3544
@delsydebothom3544 3 ай бұрын
@@geraldharrison5787 It isn't that a law can "constrain" God as some sort of external thing. The principal of non-contradiction is something which devolves "automatically" from the nature of being: a thing is the same thing as itself. All the principle of non-contradiction is doing is explicating this a bit further. God just is what "to be" means--i.e., God is being in its plenitude. God knows his being, both in itself and as communicable. A creature is God's being as communicable. In order to be at all, it must be the same thing as itself. A square circle is not a thing. The ability to utter the words "there is a square circle" is just an artifact of the fact that human language is able to be used in absurd ways. Omnipotence means the ability to actualize any potential, and belongs properly to God as pure act. It doesn't mean the ability to make real what has no potential to be made real, because the ground of all possibility is God.
@delsydebothom3544
@delsydebothom3544 3 ай бұрын
@@geraldharrison5787 The short answer is that a contradiction can't be actualized because it has no potential to exist. God's "to be" is not communicable in a contradictory way.
@geraldharrison5787
@geraldharrison5787 3 ай бұрын
@@delsydebothom3544 You're continuing to beg the question. Worse, in fact. You are asserting a contradiction. It is a contradiction to suppose a person who can do anything also cannot do some things. And it is a contradiction to suppose that a person who can do more is less powerful than a person who can do less. A person who is not bound by the laws of logic is more powerful than a person who is bound by them. God is not bound by the laws of logic. Again, if you think otherwise then you need to explain how that would work A person who is bound by the laws of logic is less powerful than a person who is not bound them. And God is all powerful, thus God is the person who is not bound by the laws of logic, not the person who is bound by them. Thus, it is an actual contradiction - not a potential one - to suppose God is not able to actualize a contradiction. Thus, God can actualize a contradiction. No good telling me that a contardiction is nothing. For either you mean by this that there ae no true contradictions - which is something I agree with, but is beside the point - or you mean by this that it is not possible for there to be true contradictions, in which case you are begging the question.
@jeoffreywortman
@jeoffreywortman 2 жыл бұрын
It's all about language. English lacks a copula for contingency. So English take "lack of alignment" for "negation of being". English uses "to be" as the only main copula. English formed mind is very limited by that constrain. One thing is being as in a form or a phenomenon. Something that is in the world. And another thing is "is" a copula. As a copula "is" means that a subject holds an attribute. It's called copula because it mates the subject and one of its attributes. Another copula is the copula that denotes contingency. "Is" when the term indicates presence of a condition. So for a man not to be in a place must not be taken as an ontologic claim for "being" in this case is refering to the ontology of man, but to his absence from a location. However the man is present somewhere else. Reality doesn not obey no principle of non-conteadiction. That is the silliest argument in the history of philosophy. It is the mind who gets stuck in a perspective from which things make sense in a way or they don't. Moral predicaments exist. There are actions that make the one who took them good and evil at the same time at the same respect. And although uncomfortable, it doesn't entail a breakage on the continum of reality.
@theprogressivehoodie6499
@theprogressivehoodie6499 Жыл бұрын
Can you give an example of an action being both morally good and bad at the same time and in the same respect?
@nextchannelnext8890
@nextchannelnext8890 4 жыл бұрын
The First Principle is GOD = GOoDness, Eternal
@HeavenlyPhilosophy
@HeavenlyPhilosophy 8 ай бұрын
"We all know that it is impossible for something to be and not to be at the same time in the same respect." Jc Beall: I'm gonna stop you right there.
@stevenhoyt
@stevenhoyt 2 жыл бұрын
It is a serious mistake to confuse the metaphysics of reality with logic. Furthermore, a greater mistake to think logic has anything to do with truth. Logic is not contingent, has nothing to do with reality or the way things are. Other means of inquiry are how we determine what is true. Axioms, tautology, truism, these are entirely analytic and trivially true. That is, they are lingual, semantic. What is logically certain is only that we cannot know what is true if all we know is that an argument is valid. So, merely having a logical principle doesn't get us anywhere. The LNC isn't true of the world. It is true of how human beings think. Logic is classically the description of how an ideal mind thinks. Not being true of the world and not being able to demonstrate truth deductively is a consequence of logic being non contingent.
@The1stDukeDroklar
@The1stDukeDroklar 11 ай бұрын
While I am an atheist, I would say this pertains to the debate about a god being omnipotent and the "best of possible worlds" argument. To me, being omnipotent does not mean being able to do the impossible, like making light and darkness occupy the same space. It simply means being able to do anything that is possible to do. This is also why I say that if mankind survives, we will eventually become gods.
@delsydebothom3544
@delsydebothom3544 3 ай бұрын
To be God is to be what "to be" means. If something could "become" that, it wouldn't be that necessarily. But only that which is "to be" necessarily can be what "to be" means in its plenitude. It is therefore definitionally impossible for something to become God.
@ObsidianTeen
@ObsidianTeen 4 жыл бұрын
The principle of non-contradiction is false. Take "this statement is false." It is both true and false. Also, Being is and is not an entity, for those of you familiar with Heidegger. Check out the work of Graham Priest.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
Let's take the statement: "This statement is false." So, a proposition is true if it corresponds with the described reality. For instance: "The Thomistic Institute is located in Washington, DC." This statement is true because it corresponds with a reality that exists independently of the proposition. With your proposition, the reality described is the proposition itself. So, whereas ordinarily the copula joins a subject and a predicate, in your case, it joins a subject and a metaphysical judgment regarding the connection of the subject and the extra-mental reality ordinarily posited by the predicate. But, seeing as there is no extra-mental reality predicated, the statement is absurd. It's not a description of reality. It's a logical convolution. It'd be like saying: "The word that comes after the word dinosaur in this sentence is duck." Actually, the word that comes after "dinosaur" is "in" . . . the perceived contradiction arises because of an absurdist collapsing of the metaphysical and logical.
@ObsidianTeen
@ObsidianTeen 4 жыл бұрын
@@totustuusmaria2157 Give me a break. Catholics are self-righteous and think people deserve hell because they randomly selected B instead of A. With free will, two outputs (intentions) could arise from the same inputs (desires, beliefs, evaluation of data), leaving it a matter of luck. All the response did was say my statement was absurd because there's no extra-mental reality. 1. So what? 2. My proposition is still there, is a part of reality. Plus, I could easily use, "This statement is true or absurd," or "This statement does not utter a true proposition."
@TrixieWolf
@TrixieWolf 4 жыл бұрын
@@ObsidianTeen The apparent problem you are seeing is one of syntactics and semantics, and it is well-resolved. Saying "this statement is false" no more disproves noncontradiction than saying "I disprove noncontradiction". You are relying on the use of syntax (manipulating elements like "this statement" and "false") in order to prove a statement using a set of logical rules (applying the word "false" to the statement and using modus ponens to logically derive the answer). But the logical rules you are using do not work for statements that refer to their own truth values, because there is a type-lifting issue: there are two kinds of boolean "truth" you are using, which are incompatible, so applying the logical rules will not work. (You can, however, make statements about their own provability under a system of proving rules. This is got Kurt Godel proved his famous Incompleteness Theorems.) The problem with your logic is similar to a mathematical proof that relies on, say, dividing both sides of an equation by x. You can get faulty proofs if you do this without restricting x to be nonzero, because the rule "dividing both sides of an equality by x produces another equality" does not work for the special case where x is zero: it gives you something which is no longer guaranteed to be an equality.
@TrixieWolf
@TrixieWolf 4 жыл бұрын
@@ObsidianTeen Also, none of this video has anything to do with Catholicism or god. The concept of metaphysics is basic philosophy and is not specifically tied to theology. Theologians frequently try to make use of metaphysics in an illogical manner, but the video isn't doing any of this.
@jaspermay5813
@jaspermay5813 3 жыл бұрын
If you say that the principle of non-contradiction is false, then you have to admit that the same principle of non-contradiction can also be true (at the same time and in the same respect). It just makes no sense whatsoever. If Heidegger taught that 'being' both is, and is not, an 'entity' (at the same time and in the same respect), then this should be a clear warning to rational people to avoid him like the plague.
@juliorivera870
@juliorivera870 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus is not God but he is God
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
With respect to his human nature, his humanity is not divine in the strict sense. With respect to his divine nature, it is. The PNC states that something cannot both be and not be at the same time and in the same respect. Jesus checks out.
@JoTheHuman
@JoTheHuman 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThomisticInstitute I'm confused. Can you elaborate?
@carolusaugustussanctorum
@carolusaugustussanctorum 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus is God: But the Son; not the Father. And Christ is both human and God, with two distinc natures (one divine and one human).
@juliorivera870
@juliorivera870 2 жыл бұрын
@@carolusaugustussanctorum the same way we are three, soul, body, spirit, as one, the same with GOD, the soul father, the son body, the holy Spirit. These three are ONE GOD, is as Jahovah died at the cross and resurrected as his son, the second ADAM with a new pact of the blood that cleanse the world, now we are born under the Grace of the second ADAM, not under the sin of the first ADAM.
@SeanFisher
@SeanFisher 4 жыл бұрын
I'm an atheist, as in not convinced, and I am very impressed and not not impressed with this video. I will explore the others you have. Thank you, kindly.
@ThomisticInstitute
@ThomisticInstitute 4 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure. Thanks for commenting.
@hughturley1062
@hughturley1062 4 жыл бұрын
The principle of non-contradiction does not apply to our present "reality." For example, the U.S. Constitution states that "No person shall be a Senator...who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen." At the same time, Mel Carnahan, on November 7, 2000, won election to the U.S. Senate, from Missouri, three weeks after he was dead and he no longer existed. This principle is discussed by academics but they ignore the fact that it no longer applies. Some will actually argue that Mel Carnahan "existed" because his name was on a ballot.
@shemarjoseph7309
@shemarjoseph7309 4 жыл бұрын
You’re misunderstanding the law of non-contradiction. I haven’t watched the video but the law of non-contradiction states “A thing cannot both be and not be in the same way AND at the same time.” Emphasis on the clause “at the same time.” A bowl of ice cream, for instance, starts out being full but at a later time it is empty. In a sense, then, it is both full and empty. But it is not both full and empty AT THE SAME TIME. This is not an academic principle. It’s a law of reality. For if it were not so nothing would make sense. A square circle for example would be possible.
@hughturley1062
@hughturley1062 4 жыл бұрын
@@shemarjoseph7309 I am not misunderstanding the principle of non-contradiction and I am not taking about a bowl of ice cream. A dead candidate who did not exist was elected to the US Senate AT THE SAME TIME that the US Constitution states that a candidate must inhabit the state when elected. Mel Carnahan was elected AT THE SAME TIME that he did not exist. The Thomistic Institute ignores objective reality where contradictions are commonplace.
@hughturley1062
@hughturley1062 4 жыл бұрын
@Manuel Tabora Please read carefully. I did not claim to disprove the principle of non-contradiction. I wrote, "The principle of non-contradiction does not apply to our present "reality." The principle of non-contradiction is simply ignored in our present "reality." Another example is the official report on the death of White House counsel Vincent Foster. The official report, written by Brett Kavanaugh, states that Mr. Foster drove to a park and killed himself. The report states that Foster's car was AT THE PARK. At the same time the Appendix in the same report states, "The FBI concealed that Mr. Foster's car was not at in the Fort Marcy lot by the tie he was dead...Mr. Foster could not have driven to the park in his Honda." Officially Foster's car was there and not there at the same time. No one cares about the principle of non-contradiction. It is a good principle but people ignore it because the truth doesn't matter to scholars.
@778nathan
@778nathan 4 жыл бұрын
@@hughturley1062 You say that it is not present it our current reality simply by alluding to the fact that such principle isn't considered by majority of the current scholars. In other words, you're making yourself to be deranged by apprehending a clear misconception on part of other scholars. reality is self-consistent and not dependent on our perspective of it. you're coming from some mutant collective version of Descartes thought, as if they think therefore it exists. Although I understand what you're actually trying to say, the fact of the matter is that your initial comment was worded plainly wrong. the acts of these people involved in your political examples does not overwrite the fundamentals of reality, and your denotation is not very obvious. you cannot dismiss the fact that you quote "reality" simply because you couldn't find a better word for it... that is the cause of people's misunderstanding regarding your comment. the contradictions of men can form intellectual scenarios, circumstances and whatnot, but not "reality" itself. To reiterate in a more exemplified manner, it would be correct to say that in our current reality most scholars are simply wrong regarding this principle of reality, but it would be wrong to say that in our current reality such principle isn't APPLICABLE due to the consensus of scholars. Peace.
@hughturley1062
@hughturley1062 4 жыл бұрын
@@778nathan Specify don't characterize
@highground3609
@highground3609 2 жыл бұрын
Playing devils advocate here(i need help beating this devil myself): Wouldn’t God being truly human then violate the principle of non-contradiction? P1. It is impossible for something to be and not be at the same time P2. Man is not God P3. Jesus was fully man Therefore, Jesus cannot be God Or change P3 to Jesus was fully God therefore Jesus cannot be man
@delsydebothom3544
@delsydebothom3544 3 ай бұрын
In the Incarnation, divinity is joined to humanity, but humanity is not joined to divinity. Further, Jesus is God and man in two different respects.
@renatocavalcante8052
@renatocavalcante8052 8 ай бұрын
So one can say that one cannot be a man and a woman at the same time? Good to know I will this idea against LGBTQ+ people 😅
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