The Pro-Trans Politics of ONE PIECE

  Рет қаралды 22,166

conure

conure

Күн бұрын

► Catch my livestreams at / conurecc for more content!
► Support me on Patreon! | / conurecc
► Follow me on Twitter! | / conurecc
► Join my Website! | www.conure.cc/live
-------
in this video, conure will be breaking down why a 2023 anti-trans tweet by ian miles cheong is misrepresenting the attitude one piece has towards trans people. they will be talking about what happened in the story where sanji is sent to tranvestite island and why trans caricatures are used, talking about different trans characters in the one piece canon, explaining who the celestial dragons are in one piece and their relation to the plot, the impel down arc of one piece and how luffy is saved by "trans" type characters, ivankov, bon clay, and inazuma, how ivankov is able to use their hormone powers to change other people's gender, how zoro's backstory can be considered to be a trans allegory, transgender themes in hunter x hunter, and much more!
-------
► Follow the Editor! | ‪@highprogressive‬ | / highprogressive
-------
►SOURCES:
• One Piece (2010) - 02 ...
-------
► TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 teaser
1:02 intro
2:54 ian miles WRONG
8:05 sanji and the trans island
17:10 bon clay & impel prison
23:19 inazuma and iva
29:57 iva's magical transing powers
37:16 the morality of one piece
40:43 luffy gets force femmed
44:38 zoro's "trans" backstory
51:02 anime's attitudes towards trans people
58:10 closing thoughts

Пікірлер: 572
@zoeybourke9617
@zoeybourke9617 6 ай бұрын
As a side note, that pretty trans character you mentioned was also completely accepted in a women's bath by all the other women. She's canonically trans and it was still a non issue that she was in a women's bath with all the other women.
@Sqwivig
@Sqwivig 6 ай бұрын
Oh yeah that's right! I forgot about that scene!
@justinbent9320
@justinbent9320 6 ай бұрын
Same thing with the other trans character that was introduced in that arc. He was accepted in the mens bath same as everyone else, even though he doesn’t “pass” in the same way Okiku does.
@Yal_Rathol
@Yal_Rathol 6 ай бұрын
​@@Sqwivigthat bath scene is incredible for trans rep. i often show it to people and just say "there are two trans people here", then let that sink in.
@tristanalain9239
@tristanalain9239 6 ай бұрын
​@@justinbent9320And then sadly a lot of people refuse to acknowledge Yamato as trans in spite of all of this. Honestly, think it might be internalized homophobia at play. A lot of guys are probably not comfortable with, nor wanting to think about the fact this person they thought was a very sexy woman identifies as male, and is a man. Personally, I adore Yamato and he is best boy and I want him to be as happy as possible, and hope he becomes a full crew member.
@lukemccann8930
@lukemccann8930 6 ай бұрын
I disagree Kuma is best boy 😝
@dracocrusher
@dracocrusher 6 ай бұрын
Lily Simpson's video on this gave me the best quote for explaining how Oda handles this stuff: "Oda thinks Trans people are freaks, but he also thinks being a freak is rad as hell"
@Am3lia77
@Am3lia77 6 ай бұрын
Based
@micow9951
@micow9951 6 ай бұрын
And it's not just oda, in gintama a comedy shonen by soracchi there are many trans women and some main characters call them freaks but freaks with beautiful souls and they're friends but when outsiders call them freaks they beat them up so I'm thinking maybe this is Japan's view although just two mangaka don't represent Japan as whole There's also that cool Christmas anime movie which does the same Tokyo godfathers I think the name was
@Blacktoothoneil
@Blacktoothoneil 6 ай бұрын
@@micow9951I don’t think it’s necessarily a representation of the general populations views in Japan, both Oda and the author of Gintama are very progressive compared to general culture in Japan, but I think that manga in general lends itself to progressivism very well because it’s normally a single person’s artistic vision. And as we know, the VAST majority of artists are progressive.
@CassidyDylyn
@CassidyDylyn 6 ай бұрын
I mean, Lily Simpson's video also begins with "I've never watched One Piece", and contains so many inaccuracies (believing Iva is a villain/is exclusively defined by being a newkama).
@dracocrusher
@dracocrusher 6 ай бұрын
@@CassidyDylyn Sure, but it's still a genuinely good video. She's doing this as part of a series so she didn't really have time to watch ALL of One Piece, but she took her time to look into things and get feedback from as many other people as possible so she could try to discuss the representation fairly. Also, they came out of things with the right Yamato take, so that's always a plus.
@TheReddShinobi13
@TheReddShinobi13 6 ай бұрын
Oda: *has a picture of Che Guevara in his office, and has addressed numerous social issues that leftists care about, very blantantly, in One Piece* Weeaboos: REEEEE!!! STOP SAYING ONE PIECE IS POLITICAL!!!
@FabbrizioPlays
@FabbrizioPlays 6 ай бұрын
Weebs can't comprehend one piece beyond "WWE on boats"
@ragg232
@ragg232 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, this series has been very anti-authoritarian pretty much since the first chapter.
@Am3lia77
@Am3lia77 6 ай бұрын
Okay but Che Guevara was very anti LGBTQ so it isn’t really saying anything about that. On the other hand, your right that One Piece is all about politics so I don’t know how people would try to deny it 😂😅
@lucianofrancesco4742
@lucianofrancesco4742 6 ай бұрын
​@@Am3lia77 Che Guevara being particularly anti-Lgbt or anti-black is an exaggeration created exactly to smear his name among progressives. A quick look at what he wrote will tell you that his stances on lgbt people were just the norm in his times (if not outright better than the era's standard). And in his "motorcyle diaries" while he starts off being blatantly racists towards black people, he eventually grows as a person and starts advocating for equality. Now, Castro for sure was deeply homophobic, and a lot of his choices get wrongly attribuited to Che Guevara.
@ThyFloorestFloor
@ThyFloorestFloor 6 ай бұрын
You are telling me that the series about outcasts who are being excluded and rejected by society, who live in a world governed by an authoritarian regime that heavily favors the upper class and hands down propaganda to make its citizens discriminate against anyone who doesn't fit their ideals. This show whose protagonist main actions have been to overthrow corrupt leaders and government agents... You dare to say that that show is political? Even more than that, are you saying that it is left-leaning?!??!!!?
@ringrayson2203
@ringrayson2203 6 ай бұрын
Iva's devil fruit power allows them to change just about every part of your appearance. Gender, voice, hair color, skin color, etc. And they seem to do so rather liberally as well. So it's implied that the okama and newkama look like that because they want to. If they wanted to change to look more "passing" i doubt Iva would tell them no. So everyone who follows Iva looks that way because they WANT to. And i honestly find them beautiful for it
@Yal_Rathol
@Yal_Rathol 6 ай бұрын
not just implied. iva's second, inazuma, switches gender back and forth every scene they're in. one scene, they're masculine, the next, they're feminine. since nothing about inazuma's own abilities would allow that and iva isn't shown actively changing their gender, it's subtly implied that _touching iva at all_ gives you your current ideal body. which means that anyone who has touched iva and not instantly started to morph is already living their best life.
@gakeon963
@gakeon963 6 ай бұрын
@@Yal_RatholI think i disagree on the part that touching Iva automatically morphs someone, and therefor if you touch them and don't change, you already look the way you want to. I think with Inazuma, it's more so implied that they ask Iva to change them off-screen, and Iva obviously doesn't mind. Devil Fruits don't really require energy to use unless it's a specific technique, and with experience it becomes easier to use. Iva, who seems extremely comfortable and experienced with their powers, can probably change people's appearance without breaking a sweat. But they do need to consciously use their powers on you. IIRC, Iva changes their fingers to syringes and pokes you with them.
@shadowtheraptor7800
@shadowtheraptor7800 6 ай бұрын
Also he can change people’s weight
@frankcastlefan
@frankcastlefan 6 ай бұрын
I wanted to point out the very most serious trans character, might be Inazuma? I’m blanking on how this comes up, but for all One Piece characters, whose trans-ness has the very least creepy or campy vibe, Inazuma is usually not smiling, has stylish clothes when masc and equally appropriate femme presentation, and if you had to point out their gag, it is the wine glass they hold in a funny way, INCLUDING WITH THEIR SCISSOR CLAWS. It’s the little details.
@gakeon963
@gakeon963 6 ай бұрын
@@frankcastlefan oh yeah no Inazuma is probably my favorite trans/GNC character besides Ivankov. Undefeated drip.
@Qloworm
@Qloworm 6 ай бұрын
I think it's worth noting that the way the Kamabakka treat Sanji is the exact same way he's treated women up until that point, so them chasing after him and acting predatory could be seen as a form of karma.
@Sqwivig
@Sqwivig 6 ай бұрын
I interpreted it that way as well 😂 Sanji basically got a taste of what it feels like to be harassed. Karma for sure lol
@I-Roy
@I-Roy 6 ай бұрын
When has Sanji ever run at women while they run screaming and then force them to do shit against their will? I must've missed those panels. It could be the consequences for his teenage fantasy of peeping in an onsen but that feels far fetched since Oda loves that trope and doesn't see it as an issue.
@FabbrizioPlays
@FabbrizioPlays 6 ай бұрын
​@@I-Roy I don't think it's as simple as "Oda loves the trope". He's commented (I think in an SBS?) that he actually finds it annoying in other manga, and the whole reason Nami charges money is because it allows her to take agency of this kinda shitty joke.
@lisarox4221
@lisarox4221 6 ай бұрын
I watched something that is worth pointing out is that, at one point after the Impel Down arc it's pointed out that Sanji ended up cross dressing and living somewhat happily with the other neosexuals until she got news of Luffy getting his brother killed, that snapped him back into wanting to reunite with his old crew. One way of seeing it is that, part of Sanji obsession with beautiful women could be something related to him wanting to be a woman as well.
@Qloworm
@Qloworm 6 ай бұрын
Having Sanji transition would surely be one hell of a plot twist.@@lisarox4221
@x-xPhobia
@x-xPhobia 6 ай бұрын
It's also important to state that Oda probably had some weird views on gender but ultimately he got there. This whole series, even ignoring the trans positivity, is ALL about found family and is heavily queer coded because of that. And ignoring that Oda literally modeled Luffy off of the good characteristics of Che Guevara and he modeled his dad, Dragon, after Castro. Luffy is always the liberator, and could be celebrated like a king. But he chooses to sail around and find another place to liberate. And now it's kind of getting to the spiritual liberation of the world and him saving the humanity thst is lost when you are ruled by a tyrannical government.
@ajiththomas2465
@ajiththomas2465 6 ай бұрын
Oda is based, especially when it comes to progressive ideas and themes in One Piece. Too bad he wasn't nearly as based when he defended and supported Nobuhiro Watsuki, the pedophile mangaka of _Rurouni Kenshin_ , who was busted by the Japanese police in November 2017 with so many CSAM in his apartment or studio that the police thought he was a distributor of CSAM/CSEM. This happened 2-3 years after CSAM was officially outlawed by Japan. I recall Nobuhiro Watsuki admitting that his favorite type of underage girl was "older elementary to young middle school age" . 🤮 Of course, Watsuki Nobuhiro got off with a slap on the wrist, a $1,500 fine, and his manga resumed serialization in June 2018 (about 6-7 months after getting arrested and charged), with Eichiro Oda and the other mangaka at Shueisha welcoming him back with open arms.
@x-xPhobia
@x-xPhobia 6 ай бұрын
Well did he actually defend him or just give like an incredible PR answer? That's how I remember it. But I could be wrong.​@@ajiththomas2465
@x-xPhobia
@x-xPhobia 6 ай бұрын
​@@ajiththomas2465Also you're completely ignoring the fact that Ruroni Kenshins mangaka is his sensei. He learned and got into the industry BECAUSE of him.
@x-xPhobia
@x-xPhobia 6 ай бұрын
​@@ajiththomas2465like I understand what you're saying. But he wasn't like clapping for him or anything. He gave a VERY PR answer. I think the onus is more on Japanese society for only making that law that they used to convict the mangaka of Ruroni Kenshin IN 2015. Unless there is something I'm missing... He still has to operate in his society. And in his society he got a small charge that everyone put their head down about and he made a neutral statement against his sensei. Sorry but your either bad faith or trying to ruin this stuff for yourself. I don't support the Ruroni Kenshin stuff anymore. I didn't watch the remake out of pure disgust. But the problem you described is endemic to their culture. Not Oda.
@Sqwivig
@Sqwivig 6 ай бұрын
​@@x-xPhobiaThank you! I was about to say I think this is a broader cultural issue that Japanese people as a society need to change. Oda basically just wanted to keep his job and not ruffle any feathers, so he kept his head down. Japanese culture is very strict and all about subservience. It's a very conservative culture and there isn't a whole lot of activism because it's seen as rude or arrogant to advocate for societal changes. Japan is very traditional and their culture puts a lot of emphasis on "staying in your lane" and "being thankful for what you have."
@The-Seal-Of-Approval
@The-Seal-Of-Approval 6 ай бұрын
"Queers never die"
@ryanager8029
@ryanager8029 6 ай бұрын
One interesting point: Even at the show’s least favourable depiction of trans characters, the Kamabakka Kingdom background characters, Sanji doesn’t kick them. Sanji has been more than willing to kick random non-women (like poor Momoo from Arlong Park) but he refuses to kick any of the Kamabakka characters, meaning he views them as women, just unattractive women, the same way he sees Kokoto from Water 7. Still not as good as he has depicted more recent trans characters, but still a point worth remembering.
@reikolupus136
@reikolupus136 6 ай бұрын
Uh, that's a good point I hadn't thought about before. Sanji pretty much erased his own memories of Kokoro being a Mermaid so she wouldn't ruin his fantasies about the Mermaids. So it would make sense if he ran away from any woman that ruined his fantasies about women (Not all of them being exceptionally beautiful.) Now that's another funny thing I didn't think before: Has Sanji come across ANY woman that isn't beautiful, and not because of their age? He pretty much grew up in a high class restaurant visited by high class ladies, and given the way Oda draws women, all women he came across after leaving the Baratie was at the very least cute, and any that isn't is because they are at least 50-60 years old. He may have only met beautiful women throughout his life. It would be intersting to see his reaction if he went to Amazon Lily, where women have a wiiiiide array of different body types.
@botta6186
@botta6186 6 ай бұрын
Not true, he fought all of them
@ryanager8029
@ryanager8029 6 ай бұрын
@@botta6186 not in the manga. Anime there is a fight, but that’s not canon to the manga.
@botta6186
@botta6186 6 ай бұрын
@@ryanager8029 but he trained with them so isn't it obvious that they fought? I refuse to believe that all they did for 2 years was run... He even learned haki, it wouldn't be possible by only simply running right?
@ryanager8029
@ryanager8029 6 ай бұрын
@@botta6186 it’s explicitly and repeatedly said he ran. When cornered he learned Moonwalk, we see that in Fishman Island. Observation Haki could probably be honed with just dodging. We don’t see armament until after that, so it’s possible he trained that after the crew regrouped
@DavidLyles
@DavidLyles 6 ай бұрын
I've heard people talk about Franky being a Trans icon. Transitions from human to cyborg, literally remaking himself, then he goes from calling himself Cutty Flam to Franky. He's says multiple times, don't call me Cutty Flam anymore I am Franky now. He becomes one of his own battle-franky's and just as Tom said, you have to love what you create, so he remakes himself as a show of love to himself.
@FunKayyy
@FunKayyy 6 ай бұрын
Franky is one of my favorite characters in the series next to Robin, and while I've never come to that conclusion on him this genuinely makes me appreciate him a hell of a lot more.
@FrancisR420
@FrancisR420 6 ай бұрын
If he was actually trans he probably would have changed his name to cutty flam
@MayMoment_
@MayMoment_ 6 ай бұрын
​@@FrancisR420?? If he was trans he would have kept his dead name??
@tristanalain9239
@tristanalain9239 6 ай бұрын
Is it terrible that I can actually see this argument but also note Franky transitioned into what every young boy loves? A giant FUCKING BAD ASS ROBOT WITH ALL KINDS OF NEAT FEATURES AND GADGETS? 🤩 Or is that insensitive? I don't know. Regardless, as per Jimbei joining, Franky has been regulated to the family role of "Pervy Grandmother".
@MayMoment_
@MayMoment_ 6 ай бұрын
@@tristanalain9239 I think the fact that Franky has incorporated exactly what boys in one piece have interest in and girls are unimpressed at into who he is works. It very much seems in the OP world, robots/cyborgs are almost entirely loved by men, so it works as a really good way for him to "pass" because no woman in the OP world would be THAT interested in robots!
@RaidenKunii
@RaidenKunii 6 ай бұрын
Even ignoring the release dates and possible transphobia/ignorance of the Impel Down Arc, some people gotta realize almost EVERY side character is ugly, even non trans/gay characters. Like look at Big Mom, she’s clearly drawn to look ugly but is still cisgender. Ugly characters are the staple of One Piece, they’re meant to look stupid and strange and unrealistic, thats the whole point. Only the main important characters are drawn to look good.
@axisavani3186
@axisavani3186 6 ай бұрын
THIS!
@ThyFloorestFloor
@ThyFloorestFloor 6 ай бұрын
And even when Oda drew thek in the ugly designs, he presented them as respectable individuals who are looking for the freedom to express themselves.
@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache 6 ай бұрын
Firstly, I wouldn't say they're drawn to look ugly, I'd say they're drawn to look cartoonish, because, well, it's a cartoon almost more literally than you might expect (especially if you're not fully caught up yet). There are more realistic looking people in the series and everything, but for each and everyone of those there are also goofy, wack character proportions and anatomy that just doesn't even exist irl, like, I feel like anyone who legitimately has Moria's modern day body, even scaled down to more human realistic sizes (the dude's like, 10 feet or smth) would probably instantly suffer from complications if not die immediately. The point of One Piece isn't to be entirely or even remotely photorealistic with its character design aspect or anything, it's the opposite, it's a stylized show that intentionally breaks anatomy and proportion frequently, whether it's hourglass women or characters with forearms 3x the size of their legs or something, and rather than ugly I find them charming, I appreciate that character design choice especially when you see Oda's other artworks and see that he *can* draw realistically, he has, a lot. But that's not what One Piece is. One Piece is a story he wrote and drew ever since he was a kid, for kids, and it's quite literally a cartoon whose biggest inspiration is Tom and Jerry and the like. It's not going to depict realistic bodies or faces all the time, Oda intentionally avoids that because that's not the genre he wants One Piece to be, he wants One Piece to still be a lighthearted goofy cartoon-inspired manga so he draws it like one, rather than drawing it like Berserk or Vagabond or something.
@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache 6 ай бұрын
As for the possible transphobia/ignorance (I'm personally more leaning towards ignorance because imo transphobia entails malice which I do not feel from him), to provide some context Oda is firstly Japanese, which already provides not just a cultural barrier but a language barrier as well, not to mention he's basically a Gen X'er, and most of the upheaval about sex and gender discussions only really blew up around the mid-2010's and to this day nearly a decade since even members really, really deep into the community still haven't come to a complete consensus about their own terminologies and everything with regards to all the gender related stuff. Outside of research he was able to do for the series regarding locations like Venice or Spain as influence for Water 7 and Dressrosa respectively, which presumably he could have done when he was still in high school or college (back in 1990's, 2 whole decades before in-depth discussions of gender and sex really blew up in social media) just before he actually started professionally drawing out One Piece, most of the man's time is spent bringing his notes to life by illustrating and drawing and sketching, pre-timeskip especially, nearly non-stop. He'd wake up at 5 AM and only finish for the day at 2 AM back then, for maybe 5 or 6 days of the week, and he rarely took hiatuses between chapters, infamously one time he got sick he was caught still drawing the cover spread of the chapter bedridden in the hospital though I might have misremembered half the details there. Obviously the remaining days would be spent with his family, and maybe a tiny bit of leisure, but besides that it's mostly manga writing. What I'm trying to say with all this is yes, Oda is ignorant. He's not fully into the weeds of LGBTQ+ culture and knowhow, but I find it difficult to fault the guy for this. In-depth discussions of gender and sex occur more frequently and in more detail in the Western side of social media, whereas this guy likely only ever consumes Japanese media in his free time (if he even has any still). Even if he were to come across these kinds of social media threads frequently somehow, they're filled with neologisms and jargon *in another language.* He wouldn't need to just learn English, he'd need to learn English slang, LGBTQ+ lingo, to even just begin to comprehend these discussions, and between his schedule and family, yeah, he wouldn't know as much compared to someone who opens twitter or tumblr or amino everyday to discuss those topics, but I think he tried his very damnedest, and instead of disappointment I'm actually impressed he wrote Iva in 2006 and that he managed to know that much about all this given everything I just said.
@haileys5224
@haileys5224 6 ай бұрын
I also think it’s important to consider how Luffy treats these characters, the protagonist versus the antagonist. Luffy treats These queer characters with respect. he respects their identity. He respects them as friends and doesn’t question it. Luffy is a good guy in that way. The author is showing what he believes is the good way to interact with queer people. With antagonistic characters, we see them make disparaging remarks. We also see them get punched by Luffy.
@tristanalain9239
@tristanalain9239 6 ай бұрын
To me, Oda has always been Pro Trans, but he was restricted in how well be could express it both ignorance and timeframe he was working in. Bon-chan is THE Nonbinary gender fluid icon. They take pride in who they are just a genuinely happy compassionate good person because of it. Even Crocodile,as shitty as he is, respected that identity. Mr 2 Bon Clay didn't need a female counterpart, as he WAS his own female counterpart. She's genderfluid and says as much by declaring they are both male and female. And Bon-chan has always been depicted in a positive light, and as a hero. Iva is in a smiliar vein. She's just happy being a queen, and is a total badass to boot. Wano gave us Kiku. Even she as a child,she presented as and said she was a girl. In fact when Luffy asked because he was confused, the exact answer she gave was "This one WAS born male, but has ALWAYS had the heart of a woman." Cause Wano is Edo Japan, checks out for how it was said. Yamato is in a similar vein. Introduces hinself as Kaido's son. Luffy doesn't question shit til the large breasts pressed against him. And only then does he ask, and once Yamato affirmed being a man, Luffy never questions it again. Even Kaido as shit of a man he is, respects Yamato's gender identity and calls him his son. Its weird, how even the worst of the pirates all just accept the gender identity and sexuality (via implications) of anyone they find.
@reikolupus136
@reikolupus136 6 ай бұрын
It's pretty interesting how everyone, even the truly evil pirate, are that accepting. It may also have something to do with the Queer history of Piracy, and Oda learning about it when researching for One Piece. In the past, since people had to choose between hiding being gay/queer or burning at the stake, they took the third option and sailed the seas. Piracy was pretty much an escape from social norms for queer people in the distant past, and Oda may have decided to portray that. May also be why all Queer people we find in the series tend to be Pirates or Revolutionaries.
@nonyabusiness9682
@nonyabusiness9682 6 ай бұрын
Sanji is legitimately one of the only canonly transphobic characters out of the entire 1000+ cast 😂. Villains and heroes alike otherwise legitamtly do not give a shit
@msjones6936
@msjones6936 3 ай бұрын
@@nonyabusiness9682….still simping for okiku though 😂
@nonyabusiness9682
@nonyabusiness9682 3 ай бұрын
@@msjones6936 just like real transphobes
@jimbeam-ru1my
@jimbeam-ru1my Ай бұрын
"but he was restricted in how well be could express it both ignorance and timeframe he was working in." You're projecting your view onto oda. you'll never learn to understand anything if you can only see your own views in it
@natileroxs5226
@natileroxs5226 6 ай бұрын
Being genderfluid myself, I wish I had a drag queen friend who could just give me hrt whenever I felt like either gender. I honestly love the casual way that Inazuma just transitions off screen and no one questions them.
@bradlast7839
@bradlast7839 6 ай бұрын
Im curious about gender fluid people Is it more or less a reflection of fashion? Not trying to offend genuinely dont understand what it means to be gender fluid
@natileroxs5226
@natileroxs5226 6 ай бұрын
@@bradlast7839 I can't speak for all genderfluid people, but in my experience, it's primarily the social aspect, because of how society is formed around gender, I (and I'm guessing a lot of genderfluid people) tend to fit into different genders at different points in time. I definitely recommend looking up more information about it if you're curious :)
@user-of6ck5fu6i
@user-of6ck5fu6i 25 күн бұрын
I honestly literally was just thinking that today. I more recently discovered I was genderfluid, but I swear I wish I could just do that.
@user-of6ck5fu6i
@user-of6ck5fu6i 25 күн бұрын
@@bradlast7839 I know this was 5 months ago but yeah I’d say look more into it. If it helps, for me I’ve noticed I’m more different. Though I don’t change up how I dress (I’ve been compared to a cartoon character, wearing the same thing always), I do go by different pronouns. I’ve noticed lately I’ve been liking being referred to as a woman more, however I don’t mind being referred to as a guy or anything else. Some days I’m also just more comfortable being referred to as a guy.
@nicolev990
@nicolev990 6 ай бұрын
I’m still amazed that Oda wrote Bon Clay as far back as 2000. A queer character who immediately befriends the main characters and a fan favorite character. Sure, he’s technically an antagonist at the beginning, but he befriends them without knowing who they are and saves them from capture at the end of the arc.
@ankuk099
@ankuk099 6 ай бұрын
He’s amazing.
@donalddarko5807
@donalddarko5807 5 ай бұрын
Bon is one of the crew's greatest allies even now. I'm sad he's still in jail but the cover stories show that he took it over in a similar way Ivan did.
@lemondrop201
@lemondrop201 6 ай бұрын
Oda wrote bon and Iva as such badass characters they're fan favorites. If they wanted to be one gender they have the power but choose not to. I think the okama make their choice too or they'd just ask Iva for help. Okama is supposedly closer to queer than just trans which I think suits them best. Pretty cool video you covered so much so well.
@amuro9624
@amuro9624 6 ай бұрын
The okama culture is pretty different from trans. It's a bit closer to drag than trans. A lot of them like to be okama but don't really want to be women. I've seen a lot of okama who would not try to hide the fact that they weren't cis women they're men wearing dresses and they love it. "Real" trans people also have a different name they use instead of okama
@WarpsmithAdam
@WarpsmithAdam 6 ай бұрын
One of my favorite fan theories is that Sir Crocodile, one of the first major villains of the series, is a trans man. (And also gave birth to Luffy, but that's more of a meme) There's a bunch of little things throughout the series that people use to support that fan theory, including the way that Iva talks to Crocodile.
@reikolupus136
@reikolupus136 6 ай бұрын
With how big the stuff with the Cross Guild is becoming, we may get more stuff on Crocodile after the current arc in the Manga ends. It would be amazing if we got some confirmation on this XD. Though that may need to wait unitl the Final War, where Crocodile and Iva will probably meet again as everyone starts to gather.
@queenofdisaster3480
@queenofdisaster3480 6 ай бұрын
And the live action opens w shots to many early series villains in a flashback scene, including a woman w Croc’s aesthetic! Depending on crocodiles casting in s2, we may get confirmation sooner than later…
@Yal_Rathol
@Yal_Rathol 6 ай бұрын
so, i have a friend going through one piece (almost done skypeia). bon-chan is one of his favourite characters, and we've had to had the talk about how yeah, he's a japanese gay stereotype, but oda also makes him _rad as all hell._ one piece metatext is largely watching oda learn to navigate politics over the course of his life. remember, he started work on one piece unofficially as a child and got his first manga published at 17 before starting the series officially at about age 20. tell me your politics were perfect at 17 or 20 and i'll call you a damn liar, especially if you're a cis man in a conservative culture, which oda is.
@vixevinweria8400
@vixevinweria8400 6 ай бұрын
Remeber the guy who shot at Iva and got force femmed? He wasn't happy about it. Iva was just giving the guard what she wanted. That's why they said the line about being more honest. Essentially their gaydar was able to pick up on her secret desire to be a woman.
@EzrulieDantor
@EzrulieDantor 6 ай бұрын
He's probably also got observation haki
@cherrycrow9146
@cherrycrow9146 6 ай бұрын
Keep in mind that both of the times forcefem was inflicted on an enemy. First against a biggot who tried to kill him and second time against a literal nazi guard. Who even ended up liking it lmao
@nonyabusiness9682
@nonyabusiness9682 6 ай бұрын
That guy was super homophobic tho. The reason he came to kill Iva was to get revenge on him changing his fathers gender even tho it sound like there father was happy as a woman, so I think from oda's point of view that was just iva fucking with a transphobe. Still not good but I can see why someone who's not queer themselves but is trying to write a funny good portrayal of a trans character would find that a ironic/funny fate for a transphobic charactwr
@-ReHaven
@-ReHaven 2 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@nonyabusiness9682iirc he tried to kill Iva because his parent’s marriage broke down since his dad became a woman I don’t think he was homophobic or transphobic
@joecassidy2887
@joecassidy2887 6 ай бұрын
My favorite part is that Mr. Two Bon Clay's battlecry gets transliterated from 'o-kama karate' to 'o-come-my-way karate' in the sub/dub, but the literal translation is just 'queer karate'
@Ironcorgi2
@Ironcorgi2 6 ай бұрын
Ya okama is kind of a very derogatory term for queer people but odas characters that are queer use it in a reclaimed way much like how some people use queer in a reclaimed way
@EzrulieDantor
@EzrulieDantor 6 ай бұрын
So most people don't mention her because most don't realize. My favorite trans woman comes during the reverie. She doesn't look like a conventional woman, but she's treated with respect by her comrads, anyway. I like that, if you give it the tiniest bit of thought, you under she had a choice and simply chose not to medically/surgically transition. Socially was enough for her. She's an important character to the over all story, and I'm so glad to be seeing more of her in thos final saga.
@Yal_Rathol
@Yal_Rathol 6 ай бұрын
took me a second. morley, right?
@EzrulieDantor
@EzrulieDantor 6 ай бұрын
@@Yal_Rathol Yes lol her
@Nitram4392
@Nitram4392 6 ай бұрын
Isn't Yamato the similar? He's also refereed to with male pronouns (even the main bad guy), but presents very feminine.
@Reed5016
@Reed5016 6 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think we need more trans masc/trans man representation in media. We see trans women far more often. That being said, I might have to watch one piece now. Or maybe read it, because it’s a very long series. I find it funny how so many right-leaning people see Japan as a conservative heaven, when so much of the media has portrayal of queer people. Often better representation than the west (with obvious exceptions).
@pichu9546
@pichu9546 6 ай бұрын
not to discourage you from watching it but one of the most canonically transmasc characters is severely disappointing as representation unfortunately
@Reed5016
@Reed5016 6 ай бұрын
@@pichu9546 That really sucks. Is it the one Conure was talking about, who didn’t want to be a woman due to internalized misogyny from everyone telling them they wouldn’t be strong enough? Basically, the terf argument against trans men.
@Yal_Rathol
@Yal_Rathol 6 ай бұрын
read it, the quality is higher. but to your point, it is unfortunate that transmasc characters are rarer, one piece only has one of note. most of the gender identity stuff in one piece tends towards a male-genderfluid-female sort of spectrum with very few actively trans characters. that being said, iva is awesome.
@FabbrizioPlays
@FabbrizioPlays 6 ай бұрын
I've heard a lot of people talk about Franky as transmasc in an allegorical sense, and honestly that reading has significantly elevated my enjoyment
@delmattia96
@delmattia96 6 ай бұрын
​@@FabbrizioPlays I can see that!
@breexthehedgehog6131
@breexthehedgehog6131 6 ай бұрын
Without spoiling anything sensing emotions is a thing people can do in one piece so when Ivankov changed that guard to be female it was probably something that guard secretly wanted in the first place
@eldritch_whispers1654
@eldritch_whispers1654 6 ай бұрын
omg Ivankov literally has THE gaydar
@tristanalain9239
@tristanalain9239 6 ай бұрын
Iva even says he could she wasn't happy and honest with herself. He then used his fruit to help her. The Queen can literally sense gender disphoria, truly a miracle worker.
@twocansamm
@twocansamm 6 ай бұрын
Just a note- okama doesn't mean trans. It's more of a catchall at this point like queer, but used to just be used for feminine men that do drag. The "trans" translation is a mis-translation, in older translations it just says queer. So Bon says "queers never die" when he sees Luffy again, and the fighting style is actually queer-kenpo. Same thing goes for the kingdom. I can't find any info for the suffix "bakka" in Kamabakka but the closest is "baka" meaning "idiot" or "fool" and a "kama" is a type of scythe for harvesting crops. Since there's a possibility the "O" in "Okama" is dropped and the "k" in "Kamabakka" is added for the sake of styling, do with that what you will.
@Ronin11111111
@Ronin11111111 6 ай бұрын
I read that Oda actually knew people from this Japenese trans/crossdressing subculture and that's where he got the inspiration from. However, since he spent like a grand majority of his life since starting OP on making OP he might not have kept up with the culture moving forward in the years since. He seems to have caught up now so that's good.
@travisbewley7084
@travisbewley7084 6 ай бұрын
I wanted to point out that a lot of the scenes where the women of kambaka island are shown as monsterious were anime only or made worse then the manga. Like that first picture did happen in the manga but that was them helping the main charecter fighting the Navy. The anime animated them like shambling zombies but that's not how they come off in the manga.
@justadragonryu
@justadragonryu 6 ай бұрын
I’m in the camp that wants to believe Sanji is trans, but deeply repressing it. He legit looked so happy when he was in a dress and makeup and didn’t snap out of it until he saw info about his crew. I think he realized he can’t have a gender crisis when there’s more important things at hand. Also later in the series he and Nami switch bodies and he begs not to be changed back. It’s also my personal theory that the trans women on the island are seen through sanji’s transphobic lense and that they actually look more like when Sanji first woke up.
@reikolupus136
@reikolupus136 6 ай бұрын
I'm personally a bit against this theory given how much time he spent with Iva. Iva can smell an egg at a kilometer, and would be more than willing to help Sanji with it on hte two years they spent training. (Well, I say two year,s but Iva may have spent a lot of that time outside doing Revolutionary stuff). And with how open and accepting all pirates tend to be, he probably would have taken the jump. ...Buuuuuuuuut... It is also true that Iva gets under Sanji's skin pretty easily, and Sanji as kind as he is fights back when pissed off, so may have ended rejecting it just to raise the middle finger to Iva XD. Maybe Sanji wants to do stuff on theri own terms, or sets a goal of "I'll do it after I find the All Blue", who knows. It would be fun if Oda explored this a bit on the future, when Sanji and Iva meet again XD. ...Also, a part of me doubts it because Sanji's design sells veeeeery well with the female demographic, and he may not want to change it drastically. Damn, look at how little he changed the design after the Time Skip XD. But considering certain moment with Law, he may be able to experiment a bit XD.
@justadragonryu
@justadragonryu 6 ай бұрын
@@reikolupus136 It’s just a fan theory and even if it’s never cannon, I like the thought. It makes Sanji’s obsession with women a little less gross too.
@AlexMunz-bg3bc
@AlexMunz-bg3bc 6 ай бұрын
Sanji is shrodinger’s closeted. We know he’s lying to himself about something, we just don’t know what.
@duncanmacleod6274
@duncanmacleod6274 6 ай бұрын
Maybe a small correction, but Kuma's power just blows people away really fast. It does not read anyone's mind; Kuma just likes asking that question when he does it. Kuma chooses the location manually and he's just really accurate. Dude would kick ass at that paper football flicking game. His power is fairly similar to Nagato.
@imitationpitaya
@imitationpitaya 6 ай бұрын
Right, Kuma sent them all to those places because he knew they existed, but he did choose them based on if they would be helpful to the strawhat he sent away
@MifaWasTaken
@MifaWasTaken 6 ай бұрын
One Piece has its rough early parts (especially when it comes to lgbtq+ stuff) but Oda made it an important part of the world cause it is important. Iva is a important character same with gay bonclae Oda is also supper suportive
@snowy893__
@snowy893__ 6 ай бұрын
WAS LITERALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY!! One Piece is super pro trans!
@pockystick8557
@pockystick8557 6 ай бұрын
Here's the thing about Oda. He thinks that Trans are strange people. He also thinks that strange people are cool. His depiction of Kamabakka might have misses but he's improving. Kinda 😭
@dracocrusher
@dracocrusher 6 ай бұрын
Worth mentioning, Ikanov's power doesn't change how you feel about the transformation. It's not explained, but I'd like to think that Ikanov is just so entrenched in queer culture that they just know, right? Like they just have this sage-like ability where they just look at someone and they can just tell if you're an Egg or not. It's like when a swordmaster knows someone's a novice or something, they can just tell at a glance. Also worth mentioning, One Piece recently introduced a non-passing Trans man as well, and it's one of those cases where it could be handled a bit more clearly since Oda still wants to use them for bikini pages with the other biological women and stuff, but it's one of those few times where it feels like something is actively ahead of the curve on the social conversation, right? Like it never gets questioned, everyone immediately runs with it, they're in the male hotspring and stuff, they JUST get to exist as a Trans man in universe, no questions asked.
@Ronin11111111
@Ronin11111111 6 ай бұрын
Ivankov has a black belt in queer (it's the garter belt).
@Bunni89
@Bunni89 6 ай бұрын
Yeah if I recall correctly didn't they show a different npc also get hormoned when he tried to kill Iva, and this dude was just completely pissed off to become a girl? Nobody else we ever see get genderswapped ever changes their mind about what gender they actually wanna be. I think this character just really did secretly wanna be a girl and Iva helped her out. (Idk how he knew though, I guess just trans equivelant of gaydar, lol?)
@lucere3674
@lucere3674 6 ай бұрын
Oda has been pro trans and pro LGBT in general, but he's also a from a place and time where there's legit gaps in his knowledge that makes him look really bad. I think the important thing is that as the series goes on, he gets better and better with his LGBT characters. As someone that grew up in a fundamentalist church, the difference between thinking your not bigoted and actually not being bigoted is the active attempt to constantly educate yourself and improve yourself and how you interact with any group. I think Oda has done this decently well with his writing excluding a drawback or two (damn you Sanji).
@adrianrui
@adrianrui 6 ай бұрын
Super curious to hear your thoughts on the two trans characters in Wano! Kiku's great but the other person is, unfortunately, constantly misgendered by the fandom and r/OnePiece will eat you alive for suggesting that his self-declared identity-and quite literally being depicted using a public bath for his assigned gender along with Luffy and having zero pushback from the rest of the men/virtually all characters going along with the male pronouns when informed about them-is in any way legitimate
@reikolupus136
@reikolupus136 6 ай бұрын
Unfortuantely, they are incapable of accepting they have been *** off to a man, so they have to fight against the entire work declaring very clearly that he's a man.
@YOGI-kb9tg
@YOGI-kb9tg 6 ай бұрын
I hate to be that person but the character you are talking about is not trans. Even oda in SBS confirms the character to be female. The character has similar views to trans people but isn't actually trans. They admire a person so much that they want to be them and if that person is a man then so too is that character. They are mantling the person they admire but they still know that they are a she but the person she admires is a he and that's just coincidence. That character isn't using there name but calling themself the person they admire. They are mantling not being trans. Sorry to be that guy but you are the ones miss gendering a character. There are transphobic people that will use this character to spew hate but I'm not one of them, I am just someone who knows the difference between mantling someone and actually being trans.
@nonyabusiness9682
@nonyabusiness9682 6 ай бұрын
​​@@YOGI-kb9tg oda did not do a good job of making it clear. The database that confirms them female is inaccurate often but I still would caution on saying they are one thing or the other because frankly I don't think oda made it clear at all. I still use male pronouns for him because he asked us very politely and every character in the series does. But personally I have no idea whether there cis or trans. Honestly think there a secret third thing.
@adrianrui
@adrianrui 6 ай бұрын
Ratio + L + Oda has NEVER actually made official authorial statements on Yamato's gender identity or the discrepancies between his self-identification/others calling him a man in the story and the vivre card data referring to him as female, so that's a falsehood right off the bat, name the chapter/volume and cite your damn sources + you are not the One True Arbiter of Legitimate Trans Identity lmao, did the Trans High Authorities walk up to you one day and give you the Divine Right to determine who's a Real Trans Person because me and my other Tboy friends certainly weren't informed of the Grand Council's decision to award you that title + Scene in which Yamato uses the men's bath and all of the characters are fine with it and respect his choice to use his preferred bathroom and its explicitly done at the same time the narrative affirms Kiki's identity and its all framed as a perfectly fine thing where everyone's happy + its very clear from Yamato's own words that he does not identify as a woman, regardless of his reasoning behind how he arrived at the conclusion that he's a man, and not identifying with your assigned gender/identifying with something else is literally the ONLY prerequisite for trans self identification pls hesitate next time before you make grand sweeping statements on what *real* trans identity is, especially if you aren't trans yourself + "reasoning that I don't agree with behind choosing different pronouns or deciding to consider yourself a man" does not allow other people to decide that anyone is not the gender they explicitly refer to themselves as + The fact he shapes his identity around Oden despite very obviously not being able to "become" Oden does not mean that he is not a man + Luffy literally adds a male suffix to his nickname for Yamato in the exact same way he does for Law and Kidd and accepts him as a (masc) peer and the narrative is overwhelmingly respectful of Yamato's identity even with the (external) vivre card data or being in a colour spread with the girl characters + it would have been super easy for Oda to write in someone explicitly misgendering Yamato or calling him delusional if he wanted us to perceive Yamato as a woman and he *didn't do that* in one of the most didactic fucking texts in shonen + you can, in fact, interpret a character's narrative and outlook as trans without "explicit authorial consent" if the narrative allows for that interpretation, and a character calling themselves a man DEFINITELY lends to that interpretation + y'all coming up with reasons for why a fictional character can't be trans with suspiciously similar rhetoric to the kind of language transphobes use is sus af, idc if you claim you're different from the explicitly transphobic One Piece fans + If you "hate to be that person" then don't be that person lmao no one asked you to @@YOGI-kb9tg
@adrianrui
@adrianrui 6 ай бұрын
Also who is "you people" in this equation?VIZ Media? Fans who go by the official translations? The One Piece Wiki, which has detailed information on all the ways Yamato is gendered in different sources and their rationale for referring to Yamato as "he"? The evil, despicable, character-misgendering, unable-to-understand-real-transness *checks notes* trans men like yours truly who call the character using 僕 "he"? Pls be more specific lmao @@YOGI-kb9tg
@lost1head
@lost1head 6 ай бұрын
One small note: pronouns in Japanese act a bit differently so gotta be cautious about that. Unlike English they don't directly express gender. So e.g. a tomboyish girl may use pronouns that are more typical for guys but still identify as a woman. Think he/him lesbians but on bigger scale.
@Bunni89
@Bunni89 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, unfortunately this often means any pronouns we have are entirely dependant on the English dub. And the censorship culture of the time meant that earlier One Piece was less accurate about stuff like this. But even the most accurate manga could make a mistake if there simply wasn't a gendered pronoun used at all in Japanese. So I feel that listening to what the character in question actually says about their gender or where gendered words are used in the text is often more reliable as a source. (E.g. Yamato saying outright that he identified a man, Vs all the kamabakkas only being called kamabakkas so we dunno if they're trans women or gay men who like to crossdress.)
@chrisbennett113
@chrisbennett113 6 ай бұрын
The actual message being told in the zoro/kuina backstory is to not give up on your dreams despite what you are told. No one can tell you what you can or can't do. It's amazing how many people miss that point despite Zoro practically screaming it at kuina.
@CassidyDylyn
@CassidyDylyn 6 ай бұрын
Before he started One Piece, Oda designed the Rurouni Kenshin character, Katamari, a transfemme swordsman that was essentially the basis for One Piece's transwoman samurai, Kiku. This was back in like 1996.
@sharplosion1
@sharplosion1 6 ай бұрын
Something not mentioned is that Ivankov is one of the leaders of the Revolutionary Army. He's literally part of the biggest anti-World Government group in One Piece. Also to clarify a little of Zoro's backstory, it's not exactly wrong to say that a man will just, by default, by stronger than a woman just due to biology. However, the point of it is that Zoro confronts this by saying it's an excuse. He doesn't want Kuina to stop trying because she feels like she's doomed to fall behind, saying that she's the reason why he works so hard to begin with. It's ultimately a message about overcoming limits set, whether by others or yourself. And yes there are some women out there that are insanely stronger than a lot of men. Hell, even in the Marines, an old lady is one of the most respected individuals within them.
@Pinko-Diamond
@Pinko-Diamond 6 ай бұрын
Ssry my typing is super bad on phone. I think there is a lot of unintentional confusion over the words Newkama and Okama Conure. First of all the words used are Japanese and translations are NOT one to one at all nor have i ever once heard someone refer to that group as transvestites. Your also conflating the two words Newkama and Okama. Which do not translate directly to English and are explicitly two different groups. The majority of the early depicted OKAMA, in the story are most often translated as DRAG QUEENS or just generally QUEER. This is because Oda's best friend from childhood is a drag queen and was one of the major inspirations for putting them in the story. Never once heard transvestite used to translate Okama ever. It is not remotely an accurate way to translate the meaning of the word either. Queer is the closest word to okhama in English. I have never heard of the Okama in one piece translated or called trans or transvestite. Even by queer and trans one piece fans they are either queer or drag queens. Some of the other characters you meet in impel down are referred to as NEWKAMA. Those characters ARE trans and they don't have the same kind of depiction as the Okama. There is more confusion in the community about Newkama but those are the ones that sometimes take hormones and are explicitly trans. Some of them are also inspired by RHPS and I would consider it to be depicted as non-binary such as the fire and ice person. The Okama do not take hormones and are always clearly depicted as and referred to as Drag Queens or Queer men. Oda created the word Newkama to differentiate between the two groups. Iva is referred to as a Newkama and is therefore never referred to as transvestite by anyone. She is the queen of the Newkama which isn't the same as Okama and is therefore explicitly non-binary. Using Any/all pronouns The Newkama and the Okama have completely different martial art techniques because they are clearly depicted as two different groups with different cultures. Although there are okama, living on the island of newkama. I am really confused as to where you heard the word transvestite item regards to translating the word Okama because I've literally never heard it before ever. In a historical context Okama means girly man or a man with lots of bottom energy. Never anything to do with cross dressing or being trans. However, in a modern context it is more often used to refer to as queer generall. however, I have seen it in Japanese media referring to a man with a lot of bottom energy a few times. The association of the word in Japanese though, is never and never has been at any point anything close to transvestite or trans. In the one piece world it is usually just referring to and translated as queer and is often associated with drag queens as well. As from what I've heard, Odas main connection to the queer community are drag queens, his friends that are drag queens have even performed at his house parties. Bon clay fighting style Okama kempo. I've often even seen translated as the way of the queer. But I highly disagree with your characterization of those early negative depictions of trans people. As trans people. I've never heard of anyone refer to them as trans people. They are drag Queens and have always been referred to as such by everyone in the community. They are even based off of real life people that are drag queens.
@I-Roy
@I-Roy 6 ай бұрын
It comes from people being unsure what to call the okamas and hoping real bad they aren't a bad trans joke. I've seen it plenty on reddit and twitter so i don't know how you could have missed that.
@uonia
@uonia 6 ай бұрын
That misunderstanding of using trans instead of queer isn't really conure's fault, it looks like it's the fault of the translation they are using. They said they took a few screenshots of scenes for reference, and in those we can see the subtitles refer to "transvestite" and "trans" instead of queer like in other translations. Look to 16:26 and 28:18 for reference. That aside, I totally agree with all of that. I've never seen okama translated that way when watching the sub translation of One Piece I watch so I was a bit confused why it was saying something different.
@adrianrui
@adrianrui 6 ай бұрын
Honestly the transvestite thing has been seen in a number of subs. I think Netflix translation does/did have "transvestite" repeatedly used in Impel down every time Bon says "Okama way/kenpo etc", made for a very awkward experience watching it with my brother
@Pinko-Diamond
@Pinko-Diamond 6 ай бұрын
@@adrianrui I didn't even think there was more then one sub :O
@kain6996
@kain6996 6 ай бұрын
For Bantham, Mr 3 Bonclay, it’s not stated but it’s heavily implied they are gender fluid. Even the code name Mr 3 Bonclay is a combination of the male code name designation ie a number and the female code name designation a holiday Bon Kurie is a Japanese holiday so they got both from the jump and that shit was released in like 2000-2001
@WarpsmithAdam
@WarpsmithAdam 6 ай бұрын
Bon Clay is Mr 2, but otherwise spot on.
@lucianofrancesco4742
@lucianofrancesco4742 6 ай бұрын
It's also cute that Crocodile allowed that.
@gakeon963
@gakeon963 6 ай бұрын
@@lucianofrancesco4742 There is a theory that Crocodile is a trans man, so he better be accepting of other trans/GNC people lmao
@Bunni89
@Bunni89 6 ай бұрын
I'd say it's honestly WAAAAAY more than just implied. I feel the only reason that this character is known as a gay cis man in English fandom is just cos that arc got translated at a time where western acceptance of genderfluid and non-binary identities wasn't very widespread. Like.. we've got a person outright stating directly in the text "I am both a man and a woman" and using both male and female codenames. That seems pretty utterly clear..? I mean it's not clear precisely what type of gender identity they are, whether it's genderfluid or non-binary or bigender or anywhere in the big ol' umbrella category of genderqueer. But it's pretty clear that whatever's going on is something gender related, not sexuality. It just.. absolutely baffled me to see fan translations calling this character a gay man and official translations going with crossdresser. When we literally never see Bonclay even ONCE mention their sexuality at all? We have no clue whether this person likes boys or girls or both or neither. We also never see them actually crossdress. You can't call that pink clown ballerina thing crossdressing, it's more just flamboyant and defying/mixing gender roles. I really feel like these words were used just because it was the only understanding the dubbers had of these things at the time, and it just stuck because the character's been around so long it'd be controversial to suddenly change it. And to be fair, we don't have any canon guarantee Bon Clay that they/them are the pronouns Bon Clay would use if they spoke English, it's not like there aren't genderqueer people who still use binary pronouns. But I do feel that a lot is lost with the dub both picking male pronouns AND just going "he gay" based on absolutely nothing.
@Bunni89
@Bunni89 6 ай бұрын
​@@lucianofrancesco4742Crocodile be like "I'll murder this entire country, but I draw the line at transphobia!" lol
@lokidani1088
@lokidani1088 6 ай бұрын
i cant wait for you to watch wano & talk about Kiku & Yamato theyre also very important to the story with out them the story couldnt happen (& im curious what stance youd take on Yamato perception & contreversy & why you think some people are refuse to acknowledge them)
@dragonhunter2343
@dragonhunter2343 6 ай бұрын
I understand the point with people not accepting Yamato as Oden but when even the big bad villian of their father acknowledges them as 'son' then why fight it. Okiku gets away with it for looking clearly feminine but not everyone has genes that let them look how they want. Only the characters you would expect to react care about them in the bath I think it's great to see non passing characters get accepted since it makes things more interesting both visually and story wise when people react to the clearly masculine character saying "Yeah I'm a girl" and everyone around them going 'Cool'
@highgrove8545
@highgrove8545 6 ай бұрын
I find it a bit funny how Kuina was told that women are always weaker than men, when one of the physically strongest and most dangerous people in One Piece is Big Mom, a woman who uses a sword as her weapon of choice.
@Sqwivig
@Sqwivig 6 ай бұрын
HOLY FUCKING SHIT. ONE OF MY FAVORITE STREAMERS TALKING ABOUT ONE OF MY FAVORITE ANIME FOR OVER AN HOUR!?!? YES PLEASE ❤❤❤ Also Luffy is our aero/ace king 👑
@artsyidiot4754
@artsyidiot4754 6 ай бұрын
Bro I've been so starved for queer One Piece video essays. This was a great snack.... but Conure, Imma need you to record yourself watching all of One Piece & then release weekly OP video essays along with your normal content. Ty for complying with my request without any questions
@uonia
@uonia 6 ай бұрын
If you haven't seen it already, I would recommend watching Lily Simpson's video on the topic which also gets into Kamabakka Kingdom, Kiku, and Yamato a bit more in depth. MelonTeee also posted a video on "A Queer Retrospective" of One Piece, though I don't remember all of the contents of that. I think it might've touched on Luffy being ace among other things. (I would link the videos but KZfaq doesn't seem to like that ;[ )
@artsyidiot4754
@artsyidiot4754 6 ай бұрын
@@uonia ty sm but I’ve already seen those vids 💀😭
@Am3lia77
@Am3lia77 6 ай бұрын
Luffy is an ace icon. It’s not even headcanon for me, he just is
@MayMoment_
@MayMoment_ 6 ай бұрын
Deadass, Luffy saw the most attractive person on earth nude, and was more confused about where he was than enjoying the view. Boa is a woman who is so attractive, straight women are into her. And Luffy simply isn't. He literally just doesn't care at all about that kinda thing
@Bunni89
@Bunni89 6 ай бұрын
I think it's canon? Or at least as canon as it'll ever get in a Shonen manga. Nobody ever says the word asexual but Oda said "Luffy isn't interested in romance, only adventure" when asked.
@nonyabusiness9682
@nonyabusiness9682 6 ай бұрын
I love the detail that luffy refers to bon clay as "bon chan" he uses male pronouns but female japanies suffixes for them which is inline with the fact bon clay is fluid
@jannecapelle_art
@jannecapelle_art 6 ай бұрын
im LOVING how many queer analyses of one piece are cropping up recently!! there is SO much there to discuss and disect, i hope even more and more people do it. i genuinely dont know how you can watch/read one piece without wanting to get into the nitty gritty of its philosophy/morality, including the queer stuff and the found family/queer alegory stuff. its just all so good. even with these rather unfortunate-looking drag-queen characters (in terms of what most people think of as trans women stereotypes), as youve proven in this video, there is still just so much nuance and stuff to discuss. i fucking love one piece, its the best
@feistygheisty1980
@feistygheisty1980 6 ай бұрын
Would be cool to see you and Lily Simpson have a conversation about this because Lily had the opposite, though nuanced and generous, take from you. I was planning on totally skipping the episode Cheong posted about that Lily also went over. Seemed gratuitous and unimportant to the story and I'm watching with my mom so I'd rather not show her that.
@monster-enthusiast
@monster-enthusiast 6 ай бұрын
I also felt like trans people were treated rather well in One Piece, especially compared to trans rep in the west. 1. Bon Clay basically says he's both a man and a woman, so bigender. And we first meet him as a friend, then an antagonist, then a friend again. Boy Clay (excluding Robin cuz obviously) was the only baraque works agent in alabasta to be presented positively upon introduction, and then legitimately became an ally. 2. The kamabakas do seem questionable in design, but Ivan always could have used his fruit on them if they wanted him to, which means they wanted to stay like that on purpose, so they read more a drag queens to me. (We literally see this in Inazuma, being genderfluid). Plus everybody in this show is ugly. They're not an outliar but any means. 3. The main thing that stuck out to me in Impel Down was that, in an old Japanese manga, the allies and protagonists of the prison break arc are trans people. Usually trans people aren't portrayed the best in the media, or they're bad guys of some kind. But the way Ivan, Inazuma, and Bon Clay are framed in the show is as the good guys, 100%. Like I couldn't get over how unequivocally the good guys they were. So getting mad about how they look seems rather overblown. For One Piece characters, their ugliness fits right in. And could the kamabakas have been portrayed better? Yeah. But so could Sanji. It never struck me as a trans specific shotcoming. Oda kinda bombed on that one, but he bombs with Sanji all the time. And even tho they were kinda questionable, they still weren't framed as villains. They helped Sanji get to where he needed to go, and you could tell when he left them that he had a bit of a begrudging respect for the main queen at least. All in all, I think One Piece treats transness (and overall weirdness) as something normal or positive. Edit: the only thing I genuinely disliked was Ivan "forcibly transing" 2 people.
@tekdaystar345
@tekdaystar345 6 ай бұрын
I can't wait to hear about Yellow Flash's meltdown when he meets characters like Kiku, Iva, and all the other queer characters, since he apparently started watching recently, or when he reads Fishman Island.
@blueowl5640
@blueowl5640 6 ай бұрын
The "joke" of the okamas was horrible, but I have a theory, hear me out... I think that there is two types of queer people that travels to this Kindom: Frist people searching for the legendary Queen of Queers that can fully transition them in a second and then leave Second people who are not gender conformative and are despiced because of their apearance searching for the legendary kindom where Queer people are accepted no matter how they look like and stay to live there Also, most of those transphobic segments where anime only and most of the One Piece character are ugly looking I leave this comment in the Lily Simpsoms video a month ago
@shadowtheraptor7800
@shadowtheraptor7800 6 ай бұрын
I like to personally believe they look like that because we are seeing them through sanji’s perspective and he at least was at the time slightly transphobic
@blueowl5640
@blueowl5640 6 ай бұрын
@@shadowtheraptor7800 IDK, sabo and the revolutionary are very chill and friendly with them later on, I prefer to think that they are just okay with how they look not conforming with binary gender expectations in that safe space, and are accepted and cared by everyone in the island sharing their passion for pretty dresses and things
@algorithm_acolyte
@algorithm_acolyte 6 ай бұрын
I want to get the phrase "Queers Never Die" framed and hung up on the wall of my office. I know it's probably not a perfect translation of what they say in Impel Down but it was so fucking iconic to me when I saw it in the anime.
@archafromdmc1913
@archafromdmc1913 6 ай бұрын
holy shit based? might have to watch it
@IAmJustAPers0n11
@IAmJustAPers0n11 6 ай бұрын
It's worth it. I'm caught up with the manga rn and it's great
@tartoflan
@tartoflan 6 ай бұрын
Fair winds to you, and bon voyage
@Pinko-Diamond
@Pinko-Diamond 6 ай бұрын
Manga manga manga manga. I really regret watching ( and loving) the first 800 episodes in anime. I ended up loving and enjoying the manga 1000's of times more. It's not even comparable.
@LectricVonThunder
@LectricVonThunder 6 ай бұрын
There's a whole arc early on that is about the importance of universal healthcare where a character gives a speech so good that it often makes people cry. One Piece is beyond based. It unironically might be one of the best piece of leftist-leaning media to come out in the last 20 yrs.
@WarpsmithAdam
@WarpsmithAdam 6 ай бұрын
Oda, while he definitely has his issues, is pretty progressive in the context of Japan. One Piece has a lot of progressive messaging throughout, but the most surprising to me was outright stating that freeing enslaved/oppressed people isn't enough, you need to pay them reparations in order to actually put things to right. The women of One Piece are drawn in a very male-gazy way & that can turn people away from it, but if you actually read it, the women have more agency than most other shonen. Oda has stated that he really hates it when female characters exist just to get saved & wants his female characters to feel as fully realized as the men of the cast.
@ThePanMan11
@ThePanMan11 6 ай бұрын
I've watched an former, homophobic, transphobic friend be super happy with the depictions of trans people in one piece. But as he watched more and more he slowly started realizing the series is quite supportive of trans people and this made him quit the series. Which is just amazing to me. For hundreds of episode this was his favorite show and now in the end, he wasted all that time because he can't get over his bigotry and will never see the end of the adventure.
@Inqu33rsition
@Inqu33rsition 6 ай бұрын
I've been watching One Piece since it first aired. I've not always known about my Queerness but I've always known about my identity as a nonbinary person and seeing someone like Bon Clay becomes friends to the Strawhats and savior of them made me so happy and seen.
@JJK10293
@JJK10293 6 ай бұрын
Common misconception about Magellan's Venom Venom Fruit, he's not made of Poison, that would constitute a Logia (or Special Paramecia), rather he produces poison like Mr. 3's Wax Wax Fruit, making him a Paramecia
@f.carasind4188
@f.carasind4188 6 ай бұрын
I think Ivankov simply asks Inazuma every morning: Which gender you want to wear today? The guard scene is anime exclusive and not part of the manga (the guard doesn't even exist there).
@jeffafa3096
@jeffafa3096 6 ай бұрын
Gender is a blur in One Piece. People like Bon Clay and Ivankov are more genderfluid, and their representation in the series is pretty badass. The focus is being pulled away from how characters look or dress a lot, and preferred genders are just accepted pretty easy throughout the series. I think the writer did very well on trans representation.
@LadyNoriko
@LadyNoriko 6 ай бұрын
One Piece was my first exposure to queer people and it made me think highly of queers very early in my life, since Bon-chan and Ivankov are such important and powerful characters. Bon-chan is to this day one of my favorite characters even outside of One Piece. I can understand how to some the depiction of queerness in One Piece can look bad or very outdated. Just to me it had such a positive effect by the characters being so badass, fun and most importantly accepted by most other characters. Even Sanji shows respect towards the okama after the timeskip. This series has contributed a lot to me developing into an accepting and open person. Now most of my friends are lgbt+ and i'm kinda dating a transwoman. And I give some of the credit for that to Odas writing. :3
@Bunni89
@Bunni89 6 ай бұрын
I think its really good when a mangaka is able to realise their faults and learn and grow. Lots of the ways early One Piece handled LGBTQ characters were uncomfortable at best, but ut always had the vibe of someone who was at least intending it to be positive and just didn't understand. Im honestly really proud of Oda for how far he's come! But also its totally good that we still have videos discussing and critiquing those earlier problems. Its completely fine to love a series and still think parts of it could have been done better. So im glad there's been an increase in nuanced videos lately instead of just "shut up, theyre not really trans" or "Oda is a woke king and the manga has always been progressive". Sometimes stuff is just somewhere in the middle, yknow?
@TheTroy3060
@TheTroy3060 6 ай бұрын
I think when you go into assuming the best with its representation , instead of assuming the worst (which I get as queer people is needed a lot of times as a defense mechanism to protect your self from actually transphobic content ) you see that the queer characters are almost never the ones being talked down on even the kamas for their issues when I went into them assuming the best It didn't feel like they were the butt of the joke it felt like sanji was
@TheGamingMalamutt
@TheGamingMalamutt 6 ай бұрын
i geuninely can't imagine that Eichiro Oda had malicious intent when he created the characters that would be considered "tranny" or trans.. Especially since Bon Clay aka Mr 2 is very beloved by the community at large. Oda went out of his way to create an entire section of Impel down full of trans people and Bon Clay was their "Queen" Like honestly if Oda was "fishing for ally status" than he would have gotten it with the Impel Down arc specifically because of how Newkama Island is handled. I'm reminded of the discourse that was surrounding the My Hero fandom when Kenji(One of the League of Villans) was found out to be trans and it got worse when Tiger of the Wild Wild Pussycats was found to be trans.. So many "shounen fans" got out their pitchforks in riot because apparently trans people can't exist in shounen anime and if they do they can't be powerful.. Heavens forbid they watch Hunter x Hunter or ANY of Naruto
@aliasfakename3159
@aliasfakename3159 6 ай бұрын
When Ivankof was introduced, I'd totally thought they'd be a useless gag character but they were competent as hell. Bon Clay & Ivankof are the only reasons Luffy didn't die from his poisoning
@FabbrizioPlays
@FabbrizioPlays 6 ай бұрын
I generally describe Oda as a very well-meaning Bull who does not always realize he's in a China Shop.
@thepokekid01
@thepokekid01 6 ай бұрын
I don't really like to say this, but I think it's always worth pointing out that the Anime is more homophobic than the Manga. Like I definitely think it's a goal of Oda to be pro-LGBTQ, pro-Trans, but especially during the Impel Down and so arcs it seemed like the Anime wanted to try to be more politically neutral... now they seem less pressured to do so. (Putting more transphobic filler scenes into the episodes) Still, that Oda was still trying to put trans characters and make them more complex and sympathetic and likable even when he was only an assistant working on Rurouni Kenshin I think says good things about him. I mean, Japanese homophobia isn't the same as Western or US one, they have a different history and culture with those issues, but It's good that Oda is there breaking the stereotypes of making them vain or perverted villain characters destined for tragedy, and even making them just straight up heroes speaks a lot I think.
@princessjello
@princessjello 6 ай бұрын
i'm trapped on whole cake island and can't get past it because i fell off before Quarantine and never got back on the boat.... I think I just need to accept the reality that I might have to reread the arc from the start....
@bdk336
@bdk336 4 ай бұрын
I think it's important to clarify something: Okama. The word that's getting translated as Transvestite, is actually a japanese term for a broader category of queer people that I believe includes trans people, drag queens and others. So 'transvestite' is an artifact of the translation. side note: it's a bit of hyperbole to say the marines are always depicted as being bad. They're just depicted that way a LOT. If I'm a random human in the One Piece world and I need to choose between trusting an unknown pirate ship or an unknown marine ship with my wellbeing I'm going to the marines.
@redvelvett22
@redvelvett22 6 ай бұрын
so a thing about invankov's powers, he used it on a guy that was attempting to assassinate them during that party during their introduction, and he force femmed him, and he was freaking out, so no, it doesn't change their mental.
@saladman420
@saladman420 6 ай бұрын
I’m hoping that the live action show will have someone non-binary or gender fluid play bon Chan next season. I mean Koby, who isn’t even trans is played by a trans man :) On another note: I’ve noticed that trans men really love Zoro and I always see him drawn with top surgery scars, out of all characters I see him drawn as trans the most. I see ace a lot too
@cyrus6461
@cyrus6461 6 ай бұрын
"there's also like a Vaush-type character" LMFAO THAT'S GREAT
@jamestully156
@jamestully156 6 ай бұрын
Vaush viewer here, hi Vaush's roommate! Ive been reading One Piece for 20 years and im up to date on the manga. I've also been watching one piece with my kids and we just went through impel down and are finishing marineford. Oda has absolutely improved on this, the stuff with Sanji being chased around was definitely kind of gross, but even then i think Ivankov and his followers in impel down were depicted in a fascinating way. I've actually used them as an opportunity to talk about freedom with my kids. Real true liberating freedom means the ability to live as you want without the restrictions of gender conforming hierarchies. I like to think not everyone at impel down was put there for being pirates, some of them may have ended up there for being gender non conforming, some may have been gay, trans, non binary, gender fluid, or any combination of these things. The world government would probably have to be conservative as well since strict hierarchies are so important to them. I think it's important that my kids understand the inportance of real freedom and that a diversity of different kinds of people is great actually. The conservative view of freedom, the christian nationalist yay america muh freedums BS is a mockery of true freedom. One Piece is the most important anarchist theory out there. Read theory, read One Piece.
@thesaltybeard1793
@thesaltybeard1793 6 ай бұрын
What? Obviously vaush is her room mate. Not the other way around smh lol
@koheletcalaforexclan6508
@koheletcalaforexclan6508 6 ай бұрын
You know, it’s weird… Like some years ago and if I knew there would be so much of this in One Piece, I would’ve never read it. But, going in blind, I’ve not only borne witness to the greatest story of all time, but one which showed me the human side of others, helping me look past my own fears. To love in their way is there decision to be in their own way is their decision. But, looking past that all is a person, one who wishes to best understand themselves. And that’s something I can respect 🫡 Thank You Oda, you didn’t cure my actual Phobia (Fear, not Hate), but you reinforced that they’re people, and in the world of suffering, family too! Family who will live, laugh, and sacrifice by your side! Be Well Bon-Chan! We miss you!
@axisavani3186
@axisavani3186 6 ай бұрын
SPOILER: His name shouldn’t be Monkey D Ace 👀
@brandonlalone2104
@brandonlalone2104 6 ай бұрын
Honestly glad you are covering this better than the other video I heared about this, and yea Oda’s gags for characters go to far sometimes but the story is so much deeper than surface level designs and I don’t want to spoil the story so I’m glad you can look past designs. Plus Ivankov is a great character
@alias_crouton2671
@alias_crouton2671 21 күн бұрын
What's cool about the societal expectation that Kuina has is that Tashigi, Smoker's right hand, is actively proving the societal expectation wrong. Tashigi can hold her own against Zoro and other sword fighters after the time skip and becomes a vital character during the Punk Hazard arc.
@emilymoran9152
@emilymoran9152 6 ай бұрын
This gets more interesting if you look at the actual Japanese words used. For example (and I'm going off of what those who really know the language have said): 1) The word that gets translated as "transvestite", okama, was originally a slur that some have reclaimed that is more of an umbrella term for AMAB people who present feminine to some degree. So can also encompass feminine gay men, nonbinary people, trans women, etc. So I've seen it suggested that something like "queer" or "gender-queer" would capture the vibe Oda is going for better. 2) Bon Clay and Iva should almost certainly NOT be called "he". Japanese doesn't have gendered 3rd person pronouns, but the 1st person pronouns (the "I") can communicate information about gender. So, how do these characters refer to themselves? Bon Clay has a song in the manga that goes "This world was made for men and women. But when you're me, you're a man AND a woman. That's why I'm the strongest!" Oda has also confirmed in the Q&A that this is the case, and that's also why this character has a double moniker: "Mr. 2" (like the male Baroque Works agents) and "Bon Clay" (which is based on a holiday name, like the calendrical female code names). Bon Clay uses "achishi" as a 1st person pronoun...which no other One Piece character does, and I can't find any gendered meaning for that version, but it sounds halfway in between two others used by male and female One Piece characters, respectively. Therefore, I tend to go for "they" when talking about Bon Clay. Iva actually uses a neo-pronoun, vatashi! So something like "xe" would get THAT vibe across better! 3) Throughout the Impel Down arc, Bon Clay and Luffy call each other "Mugi-chan" and "Bon-chan". This gives VERY queer vibes, because "chan" is the cutesiest honorific, which is generally used where and English speaker wouldn't find it odd to call someone "dear" or "honey", or where it is OK to imply that they are adorable. In other words, it is NOT typically used by teen-and-up straight men toward each other. Not that this is implying anything romantic between these characters! (Luffy is probably ace, given his immunity to Boa Hancock's 'love-love' beam and the fact that he doesn't seem to fully understand why attraction makes other people act dumber). But Bon Clay's crew call them "Bon-chan" and they often refer to other characters with that honorific (sometimes probably to annoy them, like calling Crocodile "Zero-chan"). And Luffy is clearly 100% fine with being called the equivalent of "Little Straw"/"Straw-Cutie".
@The_BlOb
@The_BlOb 6 ай бұрын
Iva just uses the good old gender neutral "watashi", it's just written as "vatashi" because of their inflection of pronouncing w/u sounds as v. It's not really much of a neo pronoun in Iva's case. As for Bon-chan, they use different varitions of "atashi" which could be considered to be fem-coded by some. But it's more of a cute way to say watashi more than anything else.
@ManicPandaz
@ManicPandaz 6 ай бұрын
There is a fan theory that Crocodile is actually Luffy’s mother because he was a women a long time ago. This one done with Ivankov’s power apparently. It’s just a fan theory but it makes sense 🤷‍♂️
@shadowtheraptor7800
@shadowtheraptor7800 6 ай бұрын
My alternative to this theory is crocodile is his dad and dragon is the mother
@dragonhunter2343
@dragonhunter2343 6 ай бұрын
Great video! Would love to see similar about the 2 in the picture that you haven't met yet. The one issue I have with this is Zoro's backstory analysis. As much as Kuina was programmed to believe she couldn't be the strongest Zoro yelled into her that she could. The promise to be the best was made before she died that one of them would the strongest. Given the nature of the world and crazy amount of powers and abilities i fully believe that if she had survived she would have been a recurring character and Zoro probably would have started of weaker. He might have even just used 2 swords for a while.
@rishabhanand4973
@rishabhanand4973 6 ай бұрын
17:50 "supposed to be monkey d ace" no it's not but i guess you'll find that out soon enough
@Takisan111
@Takisan111 6 ай бұрын
I'm not even sure why he assumed that even before the reveal. Did he think Oda got his own characters name wrong all this time? Ace has literally never been called Monkey in universe so chalking it up to a translation mistake is just such a bizarre assumption.
@rishabhanand4973
@rishabhanand4973 6 ай бұрын
@@Takisan111 i think you missed my point. conure obviously assumed that because ace and luffy are "brothers" that ace was a son of dragon too. When ace told garp "we both carry the blood of a criminal" the readers/viewers thought he was saying both he and luffy carry the blood of the same criminal, dragon. and conure likely thought that ace just didn't like that dragon ran out on him and changed his name for _that_ reason
@TheSpeep
@TheSpeep 6 ай бұрын
Melontrees did a pretty good video on exactly this a while back, I'd recommend it.
@minecraft2895
@minecraft2895 6 ай бұрын
Yvankov didn’t create level 5.5, but the one who did isn’t less queer I can assure you!
@Peacuch
@Peacuch 6 ай бұрын
As a note for 33:22 I heard from a series of videos about being trans in Japan and stuff, that if you transition, that's whatever, but the thing is, culturally, it's more acceptable to "act" in the way of whatever body you end your journey in. Now I don't know if that's true, but it's basically saying like "well if you're gonna be a woman, then you'd best BE a woman", and the same for men. So... I mean, if you were really reaching, you could sell this scene (in that context) as like "well he's now a woman, so he's gotta act like it. I don't know if that's true or not... I sorta assume that Iva has like some (spoiler, future content, I won't say anything, but for folks who know what I'm talking about) kind of way of observing someone, and like feeling their trans-ness. If that makes sense. Just like how Enel could like smell it when people were talking bad about him, and how Luffy can always see the best in people. I just sorta assumed it was the same thing for Iva
@ziggyq6712
@ziggyq6712 6 ай бұрын
Great Video! I can't wait for you to get to Wano! TRANS PEOPLE ARE MY FRIENDS! TRANSPHOBES GONNA CATCH THESE HANDS! **** MINOR SPOLIER ***** . . . . . . . . . Knowing what I know now about Kuma, it's actually very cute he sent Sanji to Ivankov's Island, being someone he implicitly trusts and knows has good in their heart. Also, I love all the Transvestigations in OP. I am a huge fan of Trans Crocodile. Knowing that Ivankov has a secret of his that he is willing to stop in his tracks completely to keep Ivankov happy. When Law was turned into a woman, he was able to break it using Haki, we have never seen Croc use Haki *cough cough*. Not a fan of Crocomom theory tho. **** Major Spoilers **** . . . . . . . . Yamato, the person you didn't know about its a very controversial trans man, and I hate the controversy. Yamato is presented as a very hot woman but wants to be a man more than anything. He wants to model his life off a man in his past that inspired him. Yamato is the son of the villain of the arc, and even though Kaido imprisons, chains, and beats Yamato, never once does he misgender Yamato (Real "I'm a villain, not a monster" vibes).
@owloko1349
@owloko1349 2 ай бұрын
One thing about Sanji, is that the storys really hammers the fact that most women hate being trated like that, and as Sanji matures he stops being so wierd and has a lot more sucess with the ladys. Like Pudding, that he trated like a normal human would, and she is fully in love with my guy
@marogmartz
@marogmartz 6 ай бұрын
I just caught up to last week episode and havebto say, One Piece surpassed my expectations in every way, it's so good I'm mad I didn't read/watching earlier. I hold it dear to my heart, also Inazuma is my icon, they really are whobthey are, whenever they want :')
@merlions647
@merlions647 6 ай бұрын
"The indomitable human spirit of a himbo" re luffy getting poisoned during the impel down arc fuckin GOT me I'm still cracking up about that like 45 mins later
@TheSehroyal
@TheSehroyal 6 ай бұрын
Ok this won't make sense for you where you're at but think of this comment in the future: I think Ivankov has to have an OP Perception Haki, that he uses kind of like a super gaydar. Literally when the guard is seen, Ivankov knows that the guard was a woman inside.
@cooperino
@cooperino 5 ай бұрын
another really cool fact is that ivankov was also inspired by a drag queen that oda is friends with, who ended up voicing iva in the anime!
@monster-enthusiast
@monster-enthusiast 6 ай бұрын
"It's supposed to be Monkey D. Ace." Lol
@pandoriasbox
@pandoriasbox 3 ай бұрын
I think the trans themes in One Piece, even if shaky when they were first written, age like the finest of wines. Oda wrote Bon-chan as like, most likely, a light-hearted depiction of what back then was most commonly seen as gnc people (transvestites), but now we, the goated wokies in his audience who KNOW that your gender is just whatever you want it to be, can read bon-chan as this honestly pretty cool character that is confident in the way they present, is loved by the characters in the show and leads a happy gnc life in which none of his problems are related to them being gnc. I think that shit was pretty ahead of it's time. Apologies if my comment is messy, I'm ESL lol I hope the message comes across
@AlgernontheWizard
@AlgernontheWizard 6 ай бұрын
I'm sure someone else has mentioned this but in japanese Culture Okama are different than trans people. Okama are more like full time Drag Queens, Gay men who live like women. Its a whole ass subculture that we just don't have a reference point for.
@leviadragon99
@leviadragon99 6 ай бұрын
I personally subscribe to the theory that the guard was in fact an Egg already, and that Ivankov is extremely perceptive to such things, probably due to being monarch of Anarchist Trans Island.
@nikgokuhil
@nikgokuhil 6 ай бұрын
Ivankov is honestly one of the most inspiring character in the series even without being trans icon. Same for Bon Clay And you are right about drag queens. Okama term isnt just for trans people, it covers a lot of other stuff. An effeminate man, drag queens, someone who doesnt identify as either and some more, it all falls under the okama term. Like the samurai woman was born in male body but identifies as woman, always dresses like one- definitely trans, on other hand Ivankov and some of his friends, we arent certain. They change their body constantly depending on how they feel about things Like some of those people in caricature-ish portrayal could've been born in a woman's body, decided to change to a man's but still liked to wear their dresses Oda even today can go a bit overboard with cartoonish or a stereotypical-ish display which can be a bit negative to most, but Oda never seems to consider it negative or that it would have negative effect, cause he still makes them into amazing characters we truly love. They are free
@vikib1758
@vikib1758 6 ай бұрын
Someone pleat tells him about the Crocodile theory.
@genghisdingus
@genghisdingus 6 ай бұрын
Sanji got that dawg in him
@reikolupus136
@reikolupus136 6 ай бұрын
As for how Pirates in general view gender... Even a villain that appears later, the Main Villain of a very BIG arc, an absolutely disgusting and evil person, calls his child, a Trans Man, as his Son. And that Son is the other character from that image accompanying the Trans Woman, so he pretty clearly doesn't pass. But they still treat him as the Man and Gigachad he is. Pirates dont' give a flying sh*t about the social rules imposed by society, from the most good to the most evil, they all use the correct pronouns.
@ryanjohnson9526
@ryanjohnson9526 6 ай бұрын
really excited to watch this video gonna go finish the 800 episodes i havent seen yet so i don't get spoilers then brb
@7roller89
@7roller89 3 ай бұрын
Sanji said this to Bon Chan in alabasta : "The person is the soul" Bon Clay said this when saved luffy in alabasta from marines : "One may stray from the path of a man, one may stray from the path of a woman, but there is no straying from the path of a HUMAN!" what do you think?
@shiniblackrose
@shiniblackrose 6 ай бұрын
But even in that depiction, they were still the good guys. Lmfao 7:58 14:35 it's been 3 days, btw. Lol I don't think the people on the island are trans, or they would have transition. One of my favorite characters constantly changes gender 25:44 , and has a badass devil fruit. So, if these people were trans they would have transition already due to Iva's devil fruit. I think this island is full crossdressers who are okay with being male, but like to dress feminine. 16:20 Woke: Oda is based Broke: Oda hates trans Bespoke: Oda understands crossdressing and genderfluid people fall under the trans umbrella. This is the second time Bon saves Luffy, the first time is from a Vice Admiral known for always catching her prey, with devil fruit that turns her into a cage. So, Bon has saved the series from ending twice. Up to that point 50:34 I can't believe no one brought up Crocodile might be a transman
@georgelarie
@georgelarie 6 ай бұрын
After impel down is basically the avengers infinity war of one piece where most of the characters in the manga aside from the full straw hat crew come together in one big war. And after that is the fishman racism arc which was done pretty well. Even shows how the most cold hearted bigots can change.
@Nahrebs
@Nahrebs 6 ай бұрын
the hormones does not change the person`s mind, as you can see the guy who seeks revenge at Iva when his powers were revealed does not like what was done to him. And the way the word "newkama" is used to describe the people in level 4.5, looks more like a new concept of gender, as non-binarity and fluidity is the standard for them
@ThyFloorestFloor
@ThyFloorestFloor 6 ай бұрын
17:50 Actually Ace is not Luffy's biological brother, at most distant relatives but that would depend whether or not the D. is given to the members of a specific family or if it is a title that is passed down to those who belonged to a certain crew/culture. Anyways, coming back to Ace, his surname comes from his mother.
@shadowtheraptor7800
@shadowtheraptor7800 6 ай бұрын
I personally believe they are cousins
The ACAB Politics of One Piece
59:14
conure
Рет қаралды 14 М.
Water 7 is One Piece's MAGNUM OPUS.
12:04
ToonStarterz
Рет қаралды 55 М.
Smart Sigma Kid #funny #sigma #comedy
00:40
CRAZY GREAPA
Рет қаралды 31 МЛН
ПРОВЕРИЛ АРБУЗЫ #shorts
00:34
Паша Осадчий
Рет қаралды 7 МЛН
Идеально повторил? Хотите вторую часть?
00:13
⚡️КАН АНДРЕЙ⚡️
Рет қаралды 6 МЛН
Sigma Kid Hair #funny #sigma #comedy
00:33
CRAZY GREAPA
Рет қаралды 39 МЛН
How One Piece Portrays Love
33:05
MelonTeee
Рет қаралды 78 М.
How One Piece Portrays Trauma
34:41
MelonTeee
Рет қаралды 150 М.
Insane "DEBATE" With Anti-Trans Chatter
18:51
conure
Рет қаралды 34 М.
An Honest Review of Netflix One Piece
54:12
Mother's Basement
Рет қаралды 847 М.
the issue with FEMBOYS
29:13
conure
Рет қаралды 23 М.
Why Are Conservatives SO WEIRD About Love?
32:58
conure
Рет қаралды 45 М.
'Suicide Squad' is vapid, repetitive, and gross... [Review]
34:33
Luke Stephens
Рет қаралды 630 М.
WHY DO MEN DO THIS TO THEMSELVES???
22:13
conure
Рет қаралды 23 М.
The One Piece Video
14:16
MelonTeee
Рет қаралды 492 М.
The Genius of LUFFY | The Anatomy of One Piece
22:54
Totally Not Mark
Рет қаралды 363 М.
Лайфхаки не нужны
0:28
Miracle
Рет қаралды 2 МЛН
Слепой узнал о измене своей жены😳
1:00
УДИВИЛА ПАРНЯ🤯👏
0:20
Бутылочка
Рет қаралды 3,5 МЛН
😆
0:20
Santi
Рет қаралды 7 МЛН
这是王子儿子吗
0:27
落魄的王子
Рет қаралды 18 МЛН